Grantham University Comments

I proctored some of those NA exams. They are so easy that a 12 year old could pass them!

What are you trying to say, and what does it have to do with Grantham University?

Hello,
Do you offer Pre-Calulus I on-line? If so, is class, program and school ABET accredited?
Thanks

I recently completed my MBA-Project Management degree with GU. This is my second online graduate program. I completed my MS-Safety, Health & Environmental Management with Columbia Southern University in 2008. I found GU to be just as demanding, if not more so than CSU, and CSU was rated extremely high. It's not my intention to question or challenge the nay'sayers. I can only offer my own experience with GU and I am happy to report GU was great to me.

Yes there should realize the opportunity to RSS commentary, quite simply, CMS is another on the blog.

grantham university is a good school. honestly, online schools are generally the same. my experience is grantham has been nothing but helpful. my student advisor contacts me within hours after i contact, the admissions process was very simple, the online teachers, that i have, give great assessments of my work and are very involved. the certify official for the VA with grantham is very good. all classes have been certified through the VA no problem so far.all in all, im very happy with the school!!!!!! really could not ask for more. Grantham reputation is some what tainted but if you look at all online schools, they all have negative feedback. people are different. its based of opinion of grantham, not there actually performance of a nationaly accredited online school, which they are!! negative feedback could be exploited with every college, every everything for that matter. perhaps negative feedbacks were given because of disputes with the teachers? those peoples feedback is not accurate but from my eyes, a very good school and especially good for veterans!!!

Plain and simple..you get what you pay for. I have no money for a big name school, so I go to Grantham. Here's a fact. I'm already making more money then most of you ignorant idiots who are bashing Grantham and I don't even have a degree yet. I'm getting my BS in Electronics Engineering Technology. My employer already told me I will get $10K or more a year pay raise when I earn my degree from Grantham. No, I didn't get that in writing, but I believe them because I know of other co-workers who have gotten pay raises with earning a degree online, and I live in one of Forbes prior top 5 technological places to work Huntsville, AL... who only accept the best since UAH is right there and pump out engineers like candy.
Next, every teacher has a different style of teaching. Some provide feedback to all work and some don't. And some teachers do provide tutorials on the weekly classes at hand. My current Precalculus teacher provides a presentation on how to work all the problems for the week that is in the chapters we are suppose to read. Every teacher I have ever emailed has replied to me quickly and I have one teacher that offers one on one or group sessions on SKYPE. And for being a paper mill....that is bullcrap, big time. I am also taking General Chemistry and our tests consist of writing out the formulas and answers and showing your work (not just multiple choice). I am barely passing General Chemistry, but I will because I know it is hard for me and I have to put forth more effort to undertand it. They just don't hand out A's, you earn them. If this is true, take  class like English and copy some babble from Seaseme Street on one report and see what grade you get? If you get an "A" I will dis-enroll. If you go to any school and provide enough effort, you will pass. My wife went to a well accredited university and she had problems passing tests but still managed to pass the course...why, because she pays her tuition. Sorry folks this is a fact. Do you realize that how many people fail a class affects a teachers yearly review with the school. So what would you do to keep your nice comfy teaching job..help students pass. This does not always include cheating or making tests easy...teachers know which students need help and provide it to them as it reflects their job too...it could be extra credit or the retaking of test (which some major schools even let you do). Lastly, Is Grantham the end all be all of education...of course not it is a DETC school but it WILL open doors for you, I promise. The best thing to do is look at the job career field you want and find out what accreditions it requires. Engineering is a real stickler because some states require only engineering schools, accreditaions and licenses from their region. I like Grantham and have been going for a year now and will complete my BS to better further myself, but why stop there!

I have read a plethora of threads posting negative and positive comments about NA versus RA, Teachers, and transfering credits. Here is the truth in a nut shell; If you get your degree from GU, you can work for OPM ( Office of personnel mangt). If you dont believe it, just go to usajobs.gov and see for yourself. No one is forcing anyone to go to GU.

"Onlines with RAs aren't much better anyway"??? C'mon now!!! Even Harvard has online degrees!!! "Never accepted by mainstream"??? Please!!! This is the 21st century!!! Everything's online nowadays!!! 

does anyone know what happened with Grantham's application for regional accreditation? it seems they applied for 'initial accreditation' on 9/27/10. Check it out - h t t p ://www.ncahlc.org/search.html?areas[0]=springcmsearch&ordering=&searchphrase=all&searchword=grantham

Grantham is what you make it.  I'm currently enrolled in their M.S. Information Management program and have been pretty pleased with the program. The instructors have been available and knowledgeable and you get out of it what you put in to it. When obtaining my undergrad degree at the University of Maryland, sitting in a lecture hall with 100 other students was no different than doing it online.  At those big universities, the professor doesn't know you from Adam and you still get out of it what you put in to it.  I could have saved myself tons of money by starting with Grantham many years ago. Overall a great college and one I'd recommend to anyone.

Hi Sean, 

My name is Saurabh Agrawal. I'm busy enrolling myself for MBA in Information Management at Grantham University. Please give me your honest advice on education level, professors, curriculum, degree standard etc. at Grantham University. Also once I complete my degree from GU will it be accepted world around and in USA for jobs, research or higher education?

Regards,

Saurabh 

My early experience with admission office was on the rocky side. They could not locate my undergraduate transcripts, and then they asked me for my H/S diploma from 1982. After I was admitted, everything was smooth with exception to registration for new courses. I wish they change the rule and make it easier for students to do self-registration vs. going through student advisor. Tuition is very affordable; textbooks are included along with FedEx. I know you are on your own when it comes to studying and doing research papers, which I love the most. I set my own pace and run with it. Grantham University is the best thing that happened to me since 2010. I wish I have tripped over it long time ago...I'm half way through my MBA and lovin' it. I thought going back to school after 22 years plus married with 4 kids would be impossible to accomplish, but I'm almost finished..

Hi Hillel, 

My name is Saurabh Agrawal. I'm busy enrolling myself for MBA in Information Management at Grantham University. Please give me your honest advice on education level, professors, curriculum, degree standard etc. at Grantham University. Also once I complete my degree from GU will it be accepted world around and in USA for jobs, research or higher education?

Regards,

Saurabh

helllooo, I am new. Thought I'd say hi.

see you around and Thanks (sorry if this is the wrong thread  to put this post)

RA Gold standard :-)

UCF Professor Busts Students For Cheating

w w w.wftv.com/news/25746350/detail.html

A University of Central Florida professor found out hundreds of students cheated on his mid-term and Wednesday he spoke with WFTV. He said 600 students were given until midnight to retake the exam.

The UCF College of Business professor noticed abnormally high scores. Soon afterward, students came forward saying someone had all the answers.

This is what got me...

This is college. Everyone cheats. Everyone cheats in life in general. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in this testing lab who hasn't cheated on an exam. They're making a witch hunt out of absolutely nothing, as if they want to teach us some kind of moral lesson," student Konstantin Ravvin said.

I'm back!!! My addiction.
I lost job to a GU graduate, I paid 100K for my RA degree and wasn't hired, I'm jealous of GU grads so I will have revenge.

In my RA school all I had to do is party and cheat on exams, at GU I actually had to study so I failed :-(

If harvard was a nice and tight fiber filled turd without having to wipe; then Grantham is a messay diarrhea that eventually kills you from dehydration.

AJ, I'm glad its working for you!
WHen I was working on my degree, in addition to test book, and materials I supplemented my studies with lectures from MIT, Berkeley, Warthon and other leading business schools.

These are free on YouTube and also can download some in MP4 format

For example check lecture on Economics from Berkeley
Introduction to Environmental Economics and Policy

I am finishing up my MBA with Grantham. For the most part, I have a positive experience. There was only one professor that was difficult to contact. I expressed my concerns to my student progress rep and they immediately took care of the situation. I actually found that attending online courses, compared to traditional classrooms, are more difficult. You have to be motivated and teach yourself in a sense. All of my professors have been just as qualified to teach the subject matter as those in my undergrad. I think Grantham was a great decision.

Hi AJ, 

My name is Saurabh Agrawal. I'm busy enrolling myself for MBA in Information Management at Grantham University. Please give me your honest advice on education level, professors, curriculum, degree standard etc. at Grantham University. Also once I complete my degree from GU will it be accepted world around and in USA for jobs, research or higher education?

Regards,

Saurabh

Actually, reviews on the net are very mixed. I have never gone there myself, but many say a DETC degree can have limited value and not be respected by US employers, even US state governments. From the point of view of what you actually learn, I can't say, but I doubt it is going to be different from many RA institution offering the same degree (for that matter, one can learn the same stuff even through professional/continuing education courses, non-credit cebettysmith90@ymail.comrtificates, work experience, and on one's own through books). I recommend safaribooksonline.com as a great resource for learning about programming and IT, if you can learn from books on your own, and it will also save you money should you enroll in a degree program in IT (safaribooksonline probably has most of the course text books you will need).

Hundreds if not Thousands of Universities target military funds for education.

Grantham offers military personnel flexible rout to a degree.
No body is forcing any body.

Many of our military are experts in their fields, they support state of the art technologies, exposed to the leading products in aviation, telecommunication, marine, architecture, information systems, radars, satellites and advanced medical field facilities etc.

In one sentence super qualified and experienced people.

WHen I see US military experience and training on a persons resume I need no other credentials to hire the person.
But if they also hold an accredited(recognized accreditation such as NA, RA) degree then its even better.

I've just completed my enrollment and will be starting my 2nd BS in Computer Science this week.  I already have a MS in Engineering from a regionally accredited university, most of my previous college credits have transferred over.  My experience so far has been A+, my admissions counselor Chris has been awesome.  His response time to emails and phone calls has been superb, I have nothing negative to report at this time.  I will post another comment after completing my 1st class.

No I actually didn't go here. But what I do know is Grantham targets military members because they have Tuition Assistance (free money) and GI Bills (free money). So they do whatever it takes to sucker our nations best. It's freaking sad, and I hope one day the military money machine realizes how worthless an NA degree is and stops funding them. Even the military education offices preach against pursuing an NA degree, even though they can't stop somebody for pressing on. Wake up -- online education has a bad rap, and add NA to it and you really have wasted your time.

You are simply misleading the readers with your lies.
Check the definition of Diploma Mill then come back here and admit that you are wrong.

Some ex employees and drop outs who failed their classes at GU come here for revenge and you are one of them.

There are some many successful professionals  with degree from GU. Many are still in active or reserve service defending our country.

Other graduates are successfully employed in the industry.

And yes there are couple of failures that come here for revenge we all can spot them.

I know it hurts. But it's the truth. Grantham is a 'legal' diploma mill. Unfortunately the NA accreditation probably makes this diploma mill even more worthless. I think the diploma I can send away for (for a small fee) is worth more in the real world than a GU NA degree. Toilet Paper.

School drop out!
get life

I need some more. I think I'll get an NA degree from this school. Ahh, fresh paper. A little rough on the bum though. 

NA = No good.

DETC Bachelor's accepted for police chief position:
Ellis said no national search was needed because he had the right man to lead the force, but just needed to give him time to complete the necessary requirements, including finishing his college degree.

...O’Brien, 47, graduated from the FBI academy in June and received his bachelor’s degree in criminal justice from Columbia Southern University in August.

O’Brien said his goals remain the same: making the county safer and improving conditions for his 1,060 officers.

Only to some one like you drop out.
Most if not all NU degreed persons are employed successfully.

There are idiots like you everywhere, they even say Harvard degrees are useless.

Readers here know better.

NA degrees are useless!

Every one with Eng Technology degree from GU can get Graduatship in Engineering from UK.

City and Guilds is the examining and accreditation body in UK, 2 to 3 millions of students are working toward City and Guilds London Institute qualifications.
City and Guilds is the examining body for UK Engineering Council.

Their Graduatship in Engineering is evaluated in USA by charter member NACES agency as equivalent to USA RA Bachelors degree in Engineering.

All employers and most of the universities accept NACES report for employment and further study.

I just completed my BS in Business Administration at Grantham and was accepted to a regionally accredited Master's program (not Grantham of course).  It took some work to find a school that fit my budget and was regionally accredited but I finally did.  Folks, we all need to be honest here.  Grantham is not a traditional university and brick and mortar schools don't like them.  It's a good fit for the working adult.  I do feel a lot better about my Grantham degree now that I'm taking grad level classes in a regionally accredited school.  I figure if a potential employer questions my Grantham degree I can quickly tell them that I'm pursuing a Masters.  I can tell you that some of the math requirements, mostly statistics, were very challenging.  I actually work at a school that is rated in the top 5 by Forbes.  I would get help from a statistics professor and even they said it was challenging to complete in such a short period of time.  Anyways - hang in there and finish with Grantham, then run to a regionally accredited school.  Try Capella or American Public University.  They are not "top tier" but they are regional.  Hope this post helps.

The University of Wisconsin-Platteville has educated engineers for over 150 years and has earned a national reputation as an excellent engineering institution. UWP graduates are employed at many of the largest engineering organizations in the US, such as Boeing, Northrop Grumman, CH2M Hill, Bemis, John Deere, Rockwell Collins, and many more.

Designed with practicing engineers in mind, the online Master of Science in Engineering program (MSENGR) develops skills in advanced mathematics, engineering management, technical communications, and computer applications. After completing the program, graduates will be prepared to assume additional responsibilities in their organization.

To gain full admission to the MSENGR program, students should have

A bachelor’s degree in engineering from a nationally or regionally accredited institution recognized by the Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA). International degrees will be evaluated on an individual basis. Students with a technical bachelor’s degree are encouraged to apply.
An undergraduate grade point average (GPA) of 2.75 or higher, or 2.90 on the last 60 credits taken at the degree-granting institution. Students who do not qualify for admission in full standing may be admitted on a trial enrollment justified by the admitting department and approved by the Dean of the School of Graduate Studies.

Interesting article: Kaplan U. among schools under fire - Education - MiamiHerald.com 

I specially like the way Kaplan University defines success, a few for your enjoyment:
Bittel wrote that her school routinely stretched the truth when classifying graduates as having found work in their respective fields. Examples included:

• A Game Art and Design student -- trained to create video games -- who after completing a bachelor's degree program took a job working at Toys R Us, in the video game department. The student had amassed $100,000 in debt, was earning $8.90 an hour, and Bittel said she was pressured to classify him as successfully employed because his knowledge would ``help customers decide which games to purchase.''

• A Graphic Design student working at Starbucks could be categorized as successfully placed because their creative skills were used when ``making signs for daily specials and menus.''

• A Residential Planning Graduate, working in a gas station convenience store, could be deemed successfully placed because those same planning skills were being used to arrange displays of candy bars.

These are classic.
RA my A....

GU sucks! Go to University of Phoenix (UOP) instead!!! It's way better coz it's RA!!!

...Damn right!

UOP is pretty bad. They have one of those "probationary" RA accreds. Which means that they have to try for it every year. Real schools (like Stanford and the likes) only have to re-up every ten years.

So yes, there are crappy RA schools like UOP and Capella. However they unfortunately kick the s h i t out of Grantham. Which is completely SAD.

NA sucks! Go to University of Phoenix (UOP) instead!!! It's way better coz it's RA!!!

...yeah right.

This school gives out 100s like they're candy. You pay, you get good grades, that's the deal. There's no education here, just money making. Of course, NA has zero credibility compared to RA. BUYER BEWARE.

I attended this university for a week. I will give a quick rundown of the admissions part and what didn't sit right with me. First of all I had to start a week later than was planned because I could never get a hold of my admissions rep (I would call every day). I did get a hold of her the day before I was going to start classes and she didn't want to cram so she postponed my date for a week later. Once I started I was told that none of my previous college, military, training, or certificates were going to transfer over towards my degree. Seems a little fishy to me when the university that I went to after dropping Grantham transferred 42 credits. Seems like Grantham wants to con you into taking more courses with them so they can rake in the money. Also a friend of mine that I know goes to Grantham, they told him that he was going to have credits that will transfer. The credits that they transferred didn't even go towards his degree! They just sit there in a bucket not being used, just another example of Grantham wanting money. I won't say what university I ended up going to because I don't want to sound like I am trying to sell something here. I did call/email/chat with around 20 different online universities before I made my mind up and I am so happy where I am at now. Great military reps etc... Do your research and choose what your gut tells you.

First off, l am a former Grantham employee. I left because I finished my MBA there and simply found a higher paying gig. For all of those with a negative opinion, you are of course entitled to it. But let me tell you what is really happening with students today.
People are scampering for jobs and want the easiest way to do it. If you are looking at an online school, it's usually because you have a crazy schedule or you believe it to be easier. I can tell you the classes are every bit as difficult as the regionally accredited undergrad school I attended. Every day I spoke to dozens of people who admitted that school was important and then found excuses why they couldn't start. I can honestly say that the people working at GU right now work their tails off trying to help students who make us chase them for paper work and miss deadlines only to start and then drop out after a month, putting them in the hole with VA or TA and preventing them from going back to college for several more years. I hate the way people bash Reg vs Nat accreditation when the DoE makes states there is no difference. GU is here to help people, plain and simple, who are serious about college. I look forward to the day when the stigma of "diploma mills"( a ridiculous term) is done and over. Simple question: if you're serving in Afghanistan in a forward operating base and want to have continuous education and finish a degree, how many "real or ground" schools are going to provide that option for you? I look forward to all the post bashing that follows!

That's the next visit list. Probably will take 3-6 months (?) before any results are added to the system.

It appears that GU has been deleted from the HLC website. So much for their RA...

they won't.

Yes its today.

I will be very happy for GU and the graduates if and when they get RA.

h t t p://ncahlc.org/information-for-the-public/visit-list.html 

Hope they get it...

MHA program could be:

HSN521 - Modern Organizations Healthcare

HSN526? - Healthcare Human Resource Management

HSN551 - Legal and Ethical Issues of Healthcare Management

HSN112 - Introduction to Health Information Management

HSN532 - Leadership in Healthcare Organizations

HSN514 - Project and Change Management

HSN511 - Health Services Management

HSN541 - Healthcare Finance and Economics

HSN543 - Healthcare Strategic Management 

HSN??? - Healthcare Quality Management

HSN516? - Research Process and Design (APA book only)

HSN598 - Healthcare Management Capstone

BA510 - Accounting - not specific for healthcare systems but useful.

BA540 - Managerial Economics - Also useful though not specific for healthcare systems. HSN541 may be more appropriate. Then again, you already have HSN531.

BA515 - Management of Information Systems - not specific for healthcare systems. How about HSN112 or HSN432 instead?

BA530 - Marketing Management - not specific for healthcare systems. Therefore, not essential. To develop Healthcare Marketing course!!!

BA580 - Strategies for Change - unnecessary. HSN543 is already in the curriculum. HSN514 will be a better choice.

BA661 - Human Resource Strategies - not specific for healthcare systems - How about HSN513 instead?

HSN511 - Health Services Management - OK

HSN521 - Modern Organizations Healthcare - OK

HSN531 - Healthcare Financial Mgmt - OK. However, HSN541 includes Healthcare Economics.

HSN543 - Healthcare Strategic Mgmt - OK

HSN598 - Capstone - WHY 6 Credits? Why not 3?

TO ADD HSN516, HSN532 and HSN551 to the curriculum. A course on "Healthcare Quality Management and Performance Improvement" is also vital to a MHA program.

CCNE Accreditation is a plus since CAMHE accreditation is impossible with NA programs. 

I would definitely reconsider enrolling in Grantham if the curriculum was revised. I don't really care about the RA vs. NA debate since education is what you make of it. The tuition costs are also reasonable in GU. Then again, student services and professor feedback must be exceptional to ensure retention of students until graduation...

Its OK to provide feedback, this is constructive and allows GU to make adjustments.

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From a DETC bulletin here:
hccp://detc,org/downloads/bulletins/...20Approved.pdf

"The Distance Education and Training Council is pleased to announce that, at its public session on Sept 21st, the Council of Higher Education Accreditation Board of Directors voted to approve a formal request for a change of scope for DETC to include professional doctoral degrees. This action by CHEA brings the DETC's Federally-recognized scope in consonance with its CHEA-recognized scope. The U.S. Secretary of Education recognized DETC's work in the professional doctoral degree area in 2007."

So until now doctorate degrees from DETC schools were USDE recognized but not CHEA recognized? Do you think this makes DETC doctorate degrees more appealing? The bulletin notes that 13 DETC schools currently offer professional doctorates.

not accredited by AACSB, and it's NA

I took one look at Grantham's MHA (Master of Healthcare Administration)curriculum and decided not to enroll. The Dean definitely needs to review the program outline. Plus, it's not even accredited by the Commission on Collegiate Nursing Education (CCNE)!!!

@Rich time are changing. Did you know that the Wall Street Journal recently surveyed 479 recruiters who hired 43,000 business (and engineering) grads last year, and learned that the state universities strongly outranked the Ivy League in recruiter preference: which schools produced graduates who were "the best-trained and educated, and best able to succeed once hired."

Here are the top ten, along with the USNews 2011 ranking for each:
Penn State (#47 in U.S. News)
Texas A&M (#63)
Illinois (#47)
Purdue (#56)
Arizona State (#143)
Michigan (#29)
Georgia Tech (#35)
Maryland (#56)
Florida (#53)
Carnegie Mellon (#23)

Only one Ivy League school [Cornell] made the top 25.

Fascinating, eh?

hccp://tinyurl,com/36n7l6c

Another info I'm compiling is employer satisfaction from the NA degreed personnel. The responses so far are 80% of the employers don't care if the degree is NA or RA unless it was in specialty professions. I got to few responses so far to call a definitive number.
Will know when more surveys arrive/returned.

Listed below are some of the institutions that have accepted Grantham credits according to recent survey:

American Intercontinental University 
American Military University 
American Public University 
Ashworth University 
Augusta Technical College
Bellevue University
Berkeley College
California Coast College 
Central Pennsylvania College 
Clara County Community College 
Cochise College 
College of Southern Maryland 
Columbia College 
Columbia Southern University 
Community College of the Air Force 
Excelsior College 
Franklin University 
Georgia Southern 
Johnson State College 
Kaplan University 
Kennedy Western University 
Madison University 
Mansfield University of Pennsylvania
Montgomery Community College 
Mountain State University 
Ottawa University 
Peru State College
Saint Joseph's College
South University
Southwest University 
St. Andrews Presbyterian College 
St. Leo University 
Thomas Edison 
Trinity International University 
Troy University 
TUI University
University of Charleston
University of Maryland 
University of Missouri 
University of Oklahoma 
University of Phoenix 
Western Governors University

You realized that Anthony is correct and instead admitting you been wrong you simply change the subject to Grantham.

Dr. Anthony never said here or anywhere that GU graduates are teaching in Community Colleges.

Please revisit what he stated.
Be it known 

NA degree acceptance:

Federal government (civilian)--yes
Military--yes, usually
State and local governments--lots of them, yes
Private (commercial and not-for-profit)--hit-and-miss; I suspect more hits
Academia (administrative)--hit-and-miss; I suspect more misses
Academia (faculty)--almost always no

I guess these guys just don't understand what you are saying! I want to tell you that you your comments are spot on target! Good work!

California Community Colleges require their part-time adjuncts to have attended a Regionally Accredited school. Grantham folks can't even teach at a Community College. Oh, and did I mention Grantham won't hire its own graduates because they did not attend a Regionally Accredited school? These TWO very GLARING things should tell you that a Nationally Accredited school like Grantham is worthless trash. Even UoP's RA degree is worth more than a Grantham degree, and that is just plain pathetic...

Thats the point, do you kmow if their Masters degree was RA?

This is what Anthony said on Sept. 1st :"When I worked for a California community college some years ago, we hired several faculty whose doctorates were not regionally accredited." California Community Colleges DO NOT HIRE, NOR HAVE THEY EVER HIRED instructors or professors without RA Masters Degree, Doctorates or PhDs. PERIOD!! Anthony is wrong!!!

Anthony is not wrong, he never stated they that had non RA MA / MS degree. 

I hear what you say and agree about the Masters degree but not about the Doctorate or Ph.D.
I'm in communication with Dr. Anthony and maybe be able to get more detailed info.

The part I will get additional info is "When I worked for a California community college some years ago, we hired several faculty whose doctorates were not regionally accredited. They had exceptional curriculum vitas and quite a bit of teaching and practical field experience."

You said "I agree with California Community Colleges do not hire instructors or professors without RA Masters Degree, Doctorates or PhDs. Wile that the rule there are exceptions to the rule.
Dr Anthony - Larry didn't state that as a meter of rule this was a practice , what he stated was an exception." i don't think that you understand what I am saying. I am saying that there is NO EXCEPTION TO THE RULE! California Community Colleges DO NOT HIRE, NOR HAVE THEY EVER HIRED
instructors or professors without RA Masters Degree, Doctorates or PhDs. PERIOD!! Anthony is wrong!!! He is not telling the truth!!!END OF STORY!!!

Cal Coast Universities was State approved, unaccredited university. It never was a diploma mill. It was approved to award doctorates and Ph.D's as posted above.

In the state of CA this degrees allowed to seat for state licensing exam and practice professions such as Psychology, Cal Bar for JD etc.

I agree with California Community Colleges do not hire instructors or professors without RA Masters Degree,  Doctorates or PhDs. Wile that the rule there are exceptions to the rule.
Dr Anthony - Larry didn't state that as a meter of rule this was a practice , what he stated was an exception.

I clearly provided you non RA Ph.Ds that in the 90's were accepted in some instances a specially from people with RA MAsters and noticeable achievement in their field.

Even Harvard may lat you with Cal Coast then unaccredited degree in to their graduate school. It will be an exception and not general practice.

Let me tell you that there is a thing called "Banding the rules".

You said "What was stated was the faculty had non-regional accredited doctorates." California Community Colleges do not hire instructors or professors without RA Doctorates or PhDs!!!! You must hold a RA Doctorate or PhD to instruct at a California Community College!!! You have been discredited!!! End of story!!!!

I said DETC is not allowed to grant PhDs.  This is fact. What was stated was the faculty had non-regional accredited doctorates.  That means either non-PhD DETC or diploma mills.  Regional are the only ones ALLOWED to grant PhDs.

B.S.	Bachelor of Science	Business Administration
B.S.	Bachelor of Science	Management
M.B.A..	Master of Business Administration	Business Administration
M.S.	Master of Science	Health Care Management
D.B.A.	Doctor of Business Administration	Business Administration
Ph.D.	Doctor of Philosophy	Business Administration
Ph.D.	Doctor of Philosophy	Management

School of Engineering
	Degree	Major
M.S.	Master of Science	Engineering Management
Ph.D.	Doctor of Philosophy	Engineering Management


In 2000 Cal Coast Programs included:

School of Behavioral Science
	Degree	Major
B.S.	Bachelor of Science	Psychology
M.S.	Master of Science	Psychology
Ph.D.	Doctor of Philosophy	Psychology


School of Education
	Degree	Major
Ed.D.	Doctor of Education	Education

NA degree acceptance:

Federal government (civilian)--yes
Military--yes, usually
State and local governments--lots of them, yes
Private (commercial and not-for-profit)--hit-and-miss; I suspect more hits
Academia (administrative)--hit-and-miss; I suspect more misses
Academia (faculty)--almost always no

Even state Community Colleges require their part-time adjuncts to have attended a Regionally Accredited school. Grantham folks can't even teach at a Community College. Oh, and did I mention Grantham won't hire its own graduates because they did not attend a Regionally Accredited school? These TWO very GLARING things should tell you that a Nationally Accredited school is worthless trash. Even UoP is worth more than a Grantham degree, and that is just plain pathetic...

You can read Mikki! A.Pena (or whatever his name is) claims that a PhD from California Coast 'University' was teaching at a California Community College (See Sept 1st and 3rd). Yet, CCU does not have a PhD program in any field AND California Community Colleges do not hire instructors with NA or unaccredited PhD's. He refuses to provide the name of the California Community College that hired this instructor.  He has been discredited!! End of story!!

Hi,
This is Mikki
I read his reply and I think he provided the info. 
Can you expand and prove your point?

This is in reaction to Anthony's (aka Larry's) statements on Sept. 1st and 3rd:

Anthony Pena's statement about unaccredited PhD's teaching at California Community Colleges was completely discredited. As I always say, believe less than half of what you read in these forums!!!

Why is that?
I didn't see anything that points to your view?

DETC BSEET - has utility and many graduates use degree successfuly. 
As to Acceptance for employment:
This is unbiased truth:

NA degree acceptance:

Federal government (civilian)--yes
Military--yes, usually
State and local governments--lots of them, yes
Private (commercial and not-for-profit)--hit-and-miss; I suspect more hits
Academia (administrative)--hit-and-miss; I suspect more misses
Academia (faculty)--almost always no

So not a waste, but one will do better if they hold RA degree as the acceptability is higher.

Also remeber that there are atleast 4 universities like Western Governors University that will accept DETC degrees in to RA MAsters degree programs.

Anthony Pena's statement about unaccredited PhD's teaching at California Community Colleges was completely discredited. As I always say, believe less than half of what you read in these forums!!!

Many states and organizations have adopted "regionally-accredited" to exclude schools that haven't achieved recognized accreditation or who are not accredited at all. However, such language will not stand the test of time, because nationally-accredited schools have achieved recognized accreditation. If necessary, legal challenges will be made, by the many attorneys who exist, seemingly on every street corner... 

Eventually, NA schools will be a path to earn credits for the CPA exam and many, many other paths to professional licensure, if they are not already...

Q: What credit hours can I expect to transfer into WGU?
A: Many students transfer into a WGU degree program already having accumulated many credit hours or having earned an associate’s degree. Transcripts are evaluated on a course-by-course basis according to the following general guidelines:

If you hold an Associate of Arts (AA) or Associate of Science (AS) degree from a regionally or DETC-accredited school, you should clear all or many of the lower-division requirements for a bachelor’s degree in Business or Information Technology. This is also true for select Teachers College programs. Only an official transcript evaluation can determine how many requirements you may be able to waive. 
If you earned an Associate of Applied Science (A.A.S.) or other applied associate’s degree, you may be able to clear a significant portion of WGU's lower-division degree requirements. 
If you have completed college courses but have not earned a degree of any type, you may also be able to have some degree requirements cleared through a course-by-course transcript evaluation.

RA+ABET would be the best for Engineering or Engineering Technology.
RA with AACSB accredited for MBA

DETC BSEET - has utility and many graduates use degree successfuly. 
As to Acceptance for employment:
This is unbiased  truth:

NA degree acceptance:

Federal government (civilian)--yes
Military--yes, usually
State and local governments--lots of them, yes
Private (commercial and not-for-profit)--hit-and-miss; I suspect more hits
Academia (administrative)--hit-and-miss; I suspect more misses
Academia (faculty)--almost always no

So not a waste, but one will do better if they hold RA degree as the acceptability is higher.

Also remeber that there are atleast 4 universities like Western Governors University that will accept DETC degrees in to RA MAsters degree programs.

Again, let's go back to the appropriate analogy:

NA = mall cop
RA = LA vice squad
RA with AACSB accred = FBI / CIA

just the facts. I feel bad for Grantham suckers.

I see in the future School Principals with DETC ED.D degrees.
Aspen offers affordable Ed.D.

For some it can be a good choice, as the purpose is different.

I also see DETC universities hiring DETC Doctorates to teach.
This is new, time will show.

At the time when California Coast University applied for DETC accreditation, DETC didn't accredit Doctorates.
Today they do.

Please don't jump to conclusions and use first excuse to attack. Do your homework first.

You are mixing today with the past. In the past in the late 80's and early 90s CA approval in state of CA had some supporters among colleges as well. I seen CA state approved doctorates among faculty in number of city and community colleges. Santa Monica SMCC had a few. Pierce had at least one faculty with CA approved Doctorate.
West Coast University had number of professors with CA approved Doctorates.

Quick thought... the acceptability of bachelor's, master's and doctorate's really isn't comparable, so it is important not to lump them all together; the degrees have completely different origins and purposes.

This is taking wrong turn here.
The against GU crowd is rood and pro GU crows is better choose their words.

Can we get back to GU.

Are there any surveys of GU graduates that can be shared with us?

YOU ARE A TRUE SCHMUCK!!!!!! I will demand an explanation any time I feel someone is lying. I have that right you jackass crackhead!!!

RE: @ Dear Larry
You said "Cal Coast University had to drop their doctorates temporary when they applied for DETC accreditation." So you are saying that the PhD program at CCU was unaccredited? Not even lowly DETC had accredited them? We are supposed to believe that the California Community College System hired an individual to teach with an unaccredited PhD? As I said to Larry (aka Anthony)please do not come into a forum such as this and post your bullsh**.

By the way, I completely agree with 'DETC DBA = waste of time' when he/she said "DETC accredits garbage."

DETC accredits garbage. If someone actually tried to do this with Grantham, that would be a collossal waste of money and time. I feel bad for the suckers of Grantham. RA is the ONLY WAY. BTW does grantham have its AACSB accred? I don't think so. What a waste.

Cal Coast University had to drop their doctorates temporary when they applied for DETC accreditation.

They used to offer Doctorates in Psychology, Business and some others I just don't recall at the moment.

Now that DETC is allowed to accredit DBA and EDD I see some NA universities adding these degrees to their offerings.
Columbia Southern was among first DETC accredited universities
to offer DBA degrees.

I'm yet to see and the jury is out to the value of DETC doctorates, they are to new.

Dear Larry;

You said "One professor with UCLA MA in Clinical Psychology, and Ph.D Cal Coast University" Unfortunately for you, Cal Coast University does not even offer a PhD in Psychology (or any other field). As I said, please do not come in here and post bullsh**. California Community Colleges Do NOT hire faculty with NA degrees. 

To: @ Avoiding the Question. You are a jackass. Who TF do you think you are even speaking to me that way you low life form?

Some o the universities mentioned above provide good education and not easy to graduate at all.

Unlike Excelsior College, when two of my friends took number of subject GRE and CLEP and within short time (diploma mill time) earned RA Bachelor degrees.

Then one with fresh knowledge from any NA school could have an RA degree by taking some exams.
Awarding an entire major's worth of credit for passing one exam is a millish practice, but hey its RA the accreditation god :-)

California Coast University was never a diploma mill.
The graduates had the right to take CA state licensing exams.
In 1990 the CA state department of Education officially viewed and published that the CA state approval was equivalent to RA/NA.

There are in CA state approved law schools that are unaccredited as well.
But their JD graduates are allowed to take Cal Bar and  practice law in the state of CA.
In all cases the persons hired had RA Masters degree and impressive experience 



Wile majority of unaccredited universities are mills. Not every unaccredited university is a mill.
CCU today is DETC accredited and offers DBA, EDD degrees in addition to the BA, MA degrees.

Larry said... "we hired several faculty whose doctorates were not regionally accredited."

NA is not allowed to offer PhDs, so they must have been diploma mills.

Avoiding the Questions
Who TF are you to come here and demand explanations.
If you are a drop out or simply RA employee, by what authority
you come here.

Are you anybody or no body, 

I'm glad Larry is posting here, and find his info credible. You mr dropout go back to your fornicating, drinking sorority satan worshiping hole you crawled out.

Unless you prove that you are of equal standing to MR Anthony Piña, Ed.D don't bark here under anonymity.
As far as we concern you are ex employee or a drop out of GU.

One professor with UCLA MA in Clinical Psychology, and Ph.D Cal Coast University CA licensed Psychologist. (before CCU gained DETC)

A JD CA Licensed with non RA JD and USC BA in Political Science.

I will provide additional info once I learn more about your background and be able to validate it.

Dear Larry;
You are avoiding the questions:
"When I worked for a California community college some years ago, we hired several faculty whose doctorates were not regionally accredited. They had exceptional curriculum vitas and quite a bit of teaching and practical field experience." You also said "Now that I am ina position to hire adjunct faculty to teach for my university, would I consider someone with an NA degree? Probably, however there are a number of considerations for hiring faculty:"

What California Community College? They DO NOT hire instructors that have doctorates that are not regionally accredited!!!!  
How many adjunct faculty do you have at Sullivan that have NA advanced degrees (Master's or Doctorates)? The answer is NONE!!!! 

Please do not come to a forum like this a post a bunch of Bullsh**!!!

RA Non-profit private institutions operate much like the for-profits, in that their tuition pays a higher percentage of the costs. Usually these institutions charge tuition that is higher than that of for-profits and much higher than tax-supported community colleges and state universities. Although they charge higher tuition, the student body is, in general, far more affluent. Non-profits also have access to federal, state and local grant funding that for-profits generally do not.

In this poor economy, we are seeing the highest amount of loan defaults, not surprisingly, in the lowest income bracket students (those attending community colleges, state universities and for-profits). Although it costs taxpayers more to send a student through community college or state universities than it does to send them through a for-profit, the discussion of taxpayer liability is limited exclusively to federal student loans.

I started my doctoral studies in the Educational Technology PhD program at Arizona State U. An offer that I could not refuse (as Coordinator of Educational Technology at College of the Desert) necessitated a move to California. When it became obvious that moving back to Arizona was not in the cards, I found the right program for me at La Sierra University, which used to be a campus of Loma Linda University. La Sierra had the right program: Leadership with a concentration in either educational administration or educational technology. I chose the latter. La Sierra's highest degree is the EdD, but that has not hindered my career in higher ed (nor has receiving a degree from a university that no one recognizes). Even though I am not Seventh-day Adventist (LSU is affiliated with SDA), I ended up teaching online courses for La Sierra for a few years. La Sierra does not offer its EdD online (although it does offer some of its masters degrees that way).
__________________
Anthony Piña, Ed.D.
Dean of Online Studies

Now its your turn

Anthony A. Piña, Ed.D. Dean of Online Studies. Sullivan University System Global e-Learning 2100 Gardiner Lane, Suite 220 Louisville, KY 40205 (502) 413-8848

Doctor of Education Degree (Leadership and Technology emphasis)
   La Sierra University, Riverside, CA  2005

Post-graduate study/internships in Instructional Technology
   Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ  1991-94, 96

Master of Education Degree in Educational Psychology (Instructional Psychology & Technology)
   Brigham Young University, Provo, UT  1991

Bachelor of Arts Degree in Spanish, minor in Psychology (Teaching emphasis)
   Brigham Young University, Provo, UT  1989

Associate of Arts Degree in Spanish Language and Culture
   Brigham Young University, Provo, UT  1988

I serve currently as Dean of Online Studies for the Sullivan University System, Kentucky's largest private university.  I oversee academic and technology functions of Sullivan's Global e-Learning Campus that provides over 400 online and blended courses, 19 online degree programs and 5 online certificate programs for over 3,000 students.

Recent Publications
Books
Mizell, A. P. & Piña, A. A. (Eds.) (2010). Real Life Distance Education: Cases in Research and Practice.  Charlotte, NC: Information Age Publishing. (in pre-production)
Piña, A. A. (2008).  Distance Learning and the Institution: Foundations, Importance and Implementation. Saarbrücken, Germany: VDM Publishing. ISBN 978-3-639-07860-2
Refereed Book Chapters
 Piña, A. A. (2009). An Overview of Commercial Learning Management Systems.  In Y. Kats (Ed.) Learning Management Systems Technologies and Software Solutions for Online Teaching: Tools and Applications. Hershey, PA: Information Science Publicatons.
Harris, B. R., Piña, A. A. & Lindner, R. W. (2010). Promoting Self-Regulated Learning Strategies in Online Learning Environments. In G. Dettori & D. Perisco (Eds.) Fostering Self Regulated Learning Through ICTs. Hershey, PA: IGI Global.
Scheinbuks, J. & Piña, A. A. (2009).  Online Teaching Partnerships in Diverse Socio-Economic Institutions. In S. Mukerji & P. Tripathi (Eds.) Cases on Technological Adaptability and Transnational Learning: Issues and Challenges. Hershey, PA: IGI Global.
Refereed Journal Articles
Piña, A. A. & Bohn, L. (2010). Best Practices for LMS Integration into a Professional Doctoral Program. Instructional Practice in Higher Education 1(1).
Piña, A. A. (2010). Online Diploma Mills: Implications for Legitimate Distance Education. Distance Education 31(1).
Piña, A. A. (2009). How Online Diploma Mills Hurt e-Learning. e-Mentor 5(32)
Piña, A. A. (2009). Factors Influencing the Institutionalization of Distance Learning in Higher Education. Quarterly Review of Distance Education 9(4)
 Piña, A. A., Sadowski, K. P, Scheidenhelm, C. L. & Heydenburg, P.R. (2008).  SLATE: A Community of Practice

For all we know you could be a used car salesman. Here is what you said:
"When I worked for a California community college some years ago, we hired several faculty whose doctorates were not regionally accredited. They had exceptional curriculum vitas and quite a bit of teaching and practical field experience." You also said "Now that I am ina position to hire adjunct faculty to teach for my university, would I consider someone with an NA degree? Probably, however there are a number of considerations for hiring faculty:"

Why don't you provide more detail so that we can check your story out. We would like to know what California Community College are you talking about? I know individuals that teach at California Community Colleges (Santa Monica College, Pierce College, West Los Angeles College etc.) and they laughed at the notion that an NA individual would get a teaching position at a California Community College. Tax apyer dollars are not wasted on NA grads in teaching positions!!! I would like to make a call or two about your assertion that an NA individual was hired. You said that their doctorates were from NA universities. Which universities are we talking about? I would like to make some inquires about that as well. You said that you now hire adjunct professors. What university are you working for? What degrees do you have and from which universities did you earn these degrees? 
We believe you are a liar unless you can provide the information requested and that it can be confirmed. Any used car salesman can get into a forum like this and make all kinds of statements....Larry.

NA schools produce very good professionals.
No NA is not sub standard never been sub standard or will be.
If anything it is the standard, and if you knew anything about the education system you would know that standard is set by accreditation mostly.

If you knew how many sub standard RA's produce in reality you will be very humbled, As a manager and professional I can tell you that in number of fields these who failed in iductry went to teach in university, so Academics with all the respect are in many occasions career failures.

New graduates from RA's do more damage in their early days in the industry. Why do you think the requirement for experience is so important?
Why do you think that in many professions one can't get license to practice unless they pass professional licensing exams? Because diploma is not sufficient, the professional bodies don't trust any one.

Now to the graduates from NA universities, these are very successful in industry, they know how and very practical.
I had 30 years to witness all kind of graduates.
A complete falure who we fired from our company went to teach at RA university, today I know 14 such "instructors"

You said "You have personal agenda. I have only good things to say about NA. No I'm not Grantham graduate but I do work with one." That says a lot about you and it is not positive!! NA is sub-standard. That has been said by many in education/academia. You are not in either so your opinion means nothing.