Grantham University

navy student September 19, 2006 at 3:01 p.m.

Dissapointing to say the least. No other school will touch my Grantham credits. I attended Grantham for two semesters. Now I am transfering because I am tired of trying to contact the school and my instructors for help and not getting return phone calls or e-mails. Their customer service is severly lacking. Now, I am stuck with two semesters worth or worthless credits that no one will touch.

Student #060723 October 19, 2006 at 1:18 p.m.

Huh? I have never had a problem getting through to faculty and staff. Problems have been solve quickly. As far as non-transferable credits, do your homework. There is a laundry list of schools that will accept credits from Grantham. You will be amazed at some of the schools on the list. Why does one go to school in the first place? Hopefully it's for self edification. Just my 2 cents.

Student November 2, 2006 at 7:36 p.m.

No, actually you cant transfer your credits. Most legitimate schools will not accept credits from Grantham. Call your local school if you dont believe it.

Wrong Masuss November 5, 2006 at 4:48 p.m.

You are dead wrong. Call around. Tell the school that you have credits from Grantham. They will tell you that they do not accept them. CHEA aggreement or not, they will not accept credits from Grantham.

Read what is said:

If an Institution is in HETA, What Does This Tell Me?
An institution's membership in HETA tells you that its transfer decisions are not made solely on the basis of the accredited status of a sending institution and that the institution has agreed at least to consider transfer requests from other institutions. Each HETA member institution has an interest in cooperative efforts to assure and enhance student mobility.

What if an Institution is not in HETA?
The institution has determined, as of this time, not to become part of the transfer alliance. If an accredited institution does decide to join HETA, it will be added to the directory.

What Does HETA NOT Do?
HETA does not assure that transfer requests from one HETA institution will be accepted by another HETA institution. It does not, as of this date, include all institutions that might accept your transfer credit. HETA is voluntary and, for example, an institution may not yet have chosen to join HETA. HETA does not make judgments about the academic quality of individual institutions.

It does not say that they WILL accept credits, only that they will CONSIDER it, and most WILL NOT accept Granthams.

serious student December 3, 2006 at 6 p.m.

This is too funny. Grantham keeps getting proven wrong no matter how they want to spin it.

John December 14, 2006 at 4:15 p.m.

James is the voice of reason. It's Nationally (DETC) accredited, and most Regionals won't take the credits.

Since this is a review site, I encourage all Grantham students to fill out a review if that want to be heard.

Scott December 17, 2006 at 5:50 p.m.

Write reviews! So others know!

seen a lot of blogs... January 8, 2007 at 4:22 p.m.

Happy New Year! I am not an advocate or a critic for DETC Accredited places of learning. I am just a 55 year-old guy, with a family, that has been working since he was 16, suffered through several company closings (anyone remember Singer Business Machines, or International Teleprinter Corporation (ITC), or how about RCA Tube Division) and never had the opportunity (read that as money) to attend a "brick & morter" college. I have personally talked to many employers, including my current one which by the way is providing tuition assitance for my studies at Grantham, and while not the best choice, Grantham University is at least respected and recognized. Maybe I can't transfer my credits to another college, but a BS from Grantham is still a BS on my resume. And let me tell you, in this day and age, "Job Security" is defined as how fast you can find another job. I know my degree from Grantham at the very least puts me in the running for that next job. The critics all have a good point, when your young set your sights high, plan to move and advance your degree(s). You are going to need to, competition is fearce, and its more international than ever. Grantham is not for everyone. But I can honestly say, I have learned a great deal, I believe I can present myself professionally during an interview and I can "talk the talk" in the field of data communications and networking. For those in Grantham, decide where you want to be, what are your goals? And then do it. Learning is what you make it. Grantham can be a fine resource. Here is an interesting site... http://distancelearn.about.com/od/accred...

Summer January 23, 2007 at 7:32 a.m.

Grantham's credits will NOT transfer, so you people that don't believe it then go right ahead and earn a degree with Grantham, and watch your world crumble!! Most students find a friend that goes to Grantham and cheat on all tests including Proctor exam...its a total joke!!!
Understand that a diploma means much more when recieved with pride from a prominent and reputable university!!

Grantham should be SHUT DOWN!!!

True, except for one point February 3, 2007 at 3:24 a.m.

I live in Louisiana. If you want a state job, a nationally accredited degree will simply not work. It actually states right on the job description that a degree from a recognized REGIONALLY ACCREDITED school is required. This is the same in many other states as well. Grantham will not tell you that when you are getting ready to enroll. Do your homework guys.

Mary February 7, 2007 at 2:07 a.m.

I hope most of ou tht read these posts are takinig advantage of the inside information placed upon you.

joey February 7, 2007 at 5:52 p.m.

YES it is a complete waste of time...and your credits wont go anywhere....sorry for your loss. All the staff there are generic and money hungry.......please seek other educational universities!!

RIPOFF February 9, 2007 at 7:11 a.m.

This goes out to the person "NO SERVICE"---You can file a complaint with RIP OFF REPORT (www.ripoffreport.com). This will get the word out, and file a report with the better business bureau immediately!! Lets do all we can to help our Military. Let's ban together to make a change!

to ME~From ITS TRUE February 22, 2007 at 6:59 a.m.

Evidently you haven't read the ripoff reports, because if you have then your questions would be answered!!! So many people are gone and have gotten fired. Everyone is tense around here........

to IT'S TRUE February 22, 2007 at 8:42 p.m.

Yep, sounds like business as usual, just a different location. I'm still having problems finding a single solitary school to accept my Grantham credits. Most just laugh when I tell them I have credits there, really, they laugh. I'm glad that I didnt come up. I'm making way more money now than I ever did at Grantham. Jobs are plentiful here now. Did you come up from Slidell or are you from KC?

TOO SO ITS TRUE February 26, 2007 at 4:49 a.m.

SORRY you have been taken for a fool by Grantham...it's a daily occurrence...Hope you go to a reputable college with top notch credentials!! Hope you read RIPOFFREPORT and pass the word along!!

It's not just here February 26, 2007 at 6:21 a.m.

You can read a lot of good information here:

http://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/to...

and here:

http://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/to...

and here:

http://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/to...

and here:

http://confuzioncityscomments.blogspot.c...

and here:

http://blogkc.com/archives/2005/09/kc-lo...

As well as on many military/college chat boards. Grantham really is getting a name for itself.

Former Student February 27, 2007 at 5:55 a.m.

You know I have read the reports and have seen MANY of your names on them. I do believe that you are former employees and have probably been wronged. So get a new job and move on. I have had bosses that I did not like but don't sit around blogging about them.
About the school, yes it is a paper diploma, but it also sits nicely on my resume under my MBA from Pepperdine. My degree from Grantham did advance my education and work status. I received a BSEET at Grantham and was accepted to Graziadio School of Business at Pepperdine University. I completed my MBA and have worked the entire time. I suspect many of you who complain about your working conditions have not completed a degree and are unhappy with your minimum wage jobs. It is not the fault of the man who only gives you a few grains to eat. It is the fault of the man who does not learn to grow the grain himself!

YOU AMUSE ME February 27, 2007 at 11:31 p.m.

Too Former Student I am sure you are with Grantham, and I agree that only Grantham would stoop so low as too TRY and insult former or current employees wages. Grantham University is a shameful University lacking the proper credentials to call itself a TRUE University for higher education. Grantham staff sickens me, so instead of you all surfing the internet to find numerous comments that are true about your diploma mill school-you should get regionally accredited...PLEASE spend your time getting proper acreditation then come back on this board and speak the truth!!

Rate 'em! March 5, 2007 at 6:50 p.m.

Due to the power of modern technology, you can rate your professors at Grantham. Or

http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/SelectTe...

2 Former student March 5, 2007 at 7:30 p.m.

Grantham Degree incredible...? YEAH RIGHT!! Did you just make that up? It's incredible how generic this school is...It's incredible that students don't research first b4 signing up with Grantham.

Former student again March 9, 2007 at 1 a.m.

First of all I don’t know any of the names you all have listed as working for Grantham. I can not say they are good, bad, or whatever. I can say that my degree, GMAT, and my work experience got me into Pepperdine. I never said that a Grantham degree was "Incredible". I personally think that my degree from Grantham was a more of a tool to get into a Masters program.

What cracks me up is that I keep seeing the same names pop up on these forums. Jason from San Diego... I know you, I was in the Navy with you. I also know that you told me that the BSEET course was too difficult for you and you were going to change to the BSEM. I guess that was too tough for you too so you take your frustration out on Grantham.

Again, I can not speak about the business portion of Grantham, from what you all have said, they must have problems with personnel issues, but as far as a B.S. degree it gets you in the door. I would not recommend a M.S. Degree from Grantham just because there are many other, more prestigious Universities that offer programs for working adults.

Out-side looking in March 11, 2007 at 3:38 p.m.

Lets take a few minutes to review the facts boys and girls.

Rip off report dated 1/22/2007 11:17 am

A message from an employee who states, “GU is no good”
Five days later at 2:52pm (1/27/2007) the message was modified- apparently it didn’t get the attention it was seeking

The second person joins in (ID “truth hurts”) on 1/27/2007 at 1:01pm. Decides that they want to join in on the bashing. They also decided to modify their message at 2:52pm (see the trend here). They sign their message with “truth hurts”

On 2/6/2007 at 5:03pm- it appears the first message wasn’t getting the job done. Decided to add some extras bashing. A couple of hours later (7:35pm) they decided to modify their message. This time they signed their name to the message

Same day- the second person joins in. Time of the message was 6:44pm. Decides to add a spin on things by adding some names to the main event. Get this, at 7:35pm they decided to modify their message (see the trend here) This time they decided to sign their name with TH (truth hurts, where have we seen this before? see above) and their name

I am no PI, but this sounds like two individuals who were fired and are very unhappy.

News Flash- Facts are that everyone hates management in one way or another. Get over it people, move on.

Now boys and girls, let’s review some other facts.

Whether a Nationally or Regionally accredited learning institution accepts each other’s credit that is up to the gaining learning institution. So get over it!

As for the other GU employees looking for new jobs. Get on with it. I am more then sure they are not holding you down with straps. Perhaps if you were doing your job, your university would be a better place to go to.

In closing boys and girl. If you don’t like how McDonalds makes your hamburgers, go to Burger King where everything is served your way. That is the American way

Outside looking in~Hi Management March 11, 2007 at 8:37 p.m.

Nice try. I don't know what G.C stands for. But, if you haven't noticed, GU management hasn't responded to a single statement on these sites- I don't blame them. Who has time to waste with people like you. Move on friend!

Management or not March 11, 2007 at 10:19 p.m.

The above piece was a good write up. It makes total sense. Rose who ever you are, you are awesome! The author of "Hi management" get a life.

To Rose March 12, 2007 at 12:34 a.m.

That is exactly what this thread is about. Getting on with your life. This is why the thread was started, so people don't waste their time getting a degree that will not work for them in the long run. I've done some research, and I have yet to find a school that will accept Grantham credits. I use to be a student, and I can't find a school that will touch them. I wasted two semesters and a lot of money and time to find this information out. Now, I'm spreading the word so others can do their own research without blindly enrolling in a degree program. I have never told anyone NOT to become a Grantham student, I simply tell them what their Enrollment Advisor will not.

Simply said, DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE YOU ENROLL. Don't expect a sales person to give you the straight skinny when it's simply a numbers game to them and their goal is to enroll as many people as they can each month.

Jason

Great site here March 13, 2007 at 2:29 a.m.

I just found this site and there is even more great information about Grantham. 8 pages of it going back about a year and a half.

http://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/to...

To Peperdine graduate March 17, 2007 at 3:47 a.m.

To the Former Student that says they got into and graduated with a Masters Degree from Peperdine, I have to call the bullcrap flag on you my friend. This is the e-mail that I sent to Pepperdine University:

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 3:35 PM
To: GSBM Malibu Admissions <gsbmadm@pepperdine.edu>
Subject: Enrollment

Dear Sir or Ma'am,

I am just completing my BSEET degree from Grantham University, a DETC National accredited university. Would this meet your requirements for entrance into your MBA program? Your assistance is greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

****

(As you can see, I put down a BSEET degree, just like Mr. Former Student said he had.)

This is the reply that I received today:

Dear ****,
Thank you for your interest in the Graziadio School of Business and Management. We require completed undergraduate degrees from regionally accredited universities, so an undergraduate degree from a
nationally accredited school would not meet that requirement. I hope this helps and let me know if you have any further questions.

Take care,
Marc

Marc Endrigat
Graziadio School of Business and Management
Full-Time Programs
1-800-726-9283

So I say to you, Mr. Former Student, you are a LIAR and a DECEIVER. This is proof positive that a Grantham Degree will not get your into Pepperdine University. I left Mr. Endrigat's information so that anyone can verify this information if they so choose. Please do not post any more lies about Grantham being accepted by this university. It will not be.

Student March 17, 2007 at 7:53 p.m.

I have found all of these posts interesting in one way or the other. I have been spending a lot of my time researching Grantham to ensure I am receiving a degree that I can use in my life. I have fallen upon forums such as this in the past bashing Grantham, and I almost quit because of it. Good thing that I am not a sheep following the flock. I was at work (I am in the military and I work with civilian contractors) and I was speaking with a GS-15 about college. I told him my concerns about my school being a rip-off. He asked what school I went to and I told him "Grantham". He then said,"I have something interesting to show you in my office." I followed him to his large corner office to find a wall of degrees. This man had three masters degrees from University of Maryland, Texas A&M, and Colorado State. All of these Masters degrees were attached to the Bachelors Degree he also had on his wall. It was from Grantham University.
For those of you that are trying to dispell hope to those of us trying to balance family, work and an education...STOP!!! I am truly sorry that Grantham wasn't the right school for you, but it is for others. For those of you attending Grantham with concern, remember one thing. If you finish your Bachelors at Grantham, you won't have to worry about trying to transfer credits.

To Student March 18, 2007 at 12:15 a.m.

Are you going to make me send e-mails to those three schools as well to prove you a liar also? Oh well, I have some extra time, so I will. Thank you for the challenge and I'll report back when I have an answer.

PROOF March 19, 2007 at 3:01 a.m.

GOSH another school denying Grantham credits!! WOW A school right in the same state as Grantham was. This is so interesting and informative. I'm sure that was Grantham staff that lied....but anyway NEXT SCHOOL ON THE LIST TO DENY GRANTHAM CREDITS (drum roll please)

To Matt who wrote a review above March 21, 2007 at 2:52 a.m.

So you put your name down? Big deal. I could put my name down as Freddie Mercury. That doesn't make it true. You can put down whatever name you want, that doesn't make you a verifiable student. For all we know, you could be another Grantham employee trying to put out the flames. You may feel what others are writing on this board are true, or false. That is up to the individual to decide. That facts are being presented by actual e-mails from actual Universities that are saying they WILL NOT accept Grantham credits for transfer or as prerequisites for a Master Degree. This can be verified by e-mailing the school in question and getting a response directly. We can not verify your information, nor do you present facts to back up your claim of transferring into a "prestigious school" where you earned said Masters Degree. What school did you attend that accepted your Grantham bachelors degree? I would like to be able to independently verify this information by contacting the school in question directly. Lack of a response will prove that you are lying.

If you read posts on ripoffreport.com, you can see that both current and former employees and students are posting there as well. The information is out there for anyone and everyone. We are not asking you to take this information at face value. We are presenting the well documented information and asking any potential students to be very cautious and research this school before enrolling.

ANONYMOUS March 25, 2007 at 1:21 p.m.

Everyone has made some valid arguments and I am sure that the word about Grantham has spread. On a separate note, I just checked the Better Business Bureau website with a Grantham University search. There has only been one complaint filed against Grantham in three years and it was a contract dispute. The complaint was dismissed after investigation. Instead of using this website to post your concerns, why not go to the people who can take the proper action. Good luck.

federal government April 2, 2007 at 5:06 p.m.

Several of my friends like to get drunk and surf ripoffs.com and reply to the posts with anything that comes to mind. It is a game to them. That is the trailer park of websites.

Any legitimate complaints need to go to BBB.

Do not even attempt to tell them that you are made because you were fired. Ex-employees love to make up things about why they could not cut it.

observer April 2, 2007 at 5:50 p.m.

The customer service at Grantham has to be improving since
the former employees that are crying here have been let go!!
Grantham definitely made the right choice.

To everyone who responded "today" April 2, 2007 at 10:16 p.m.

What school did you transfer your credits to? I doubt I will receive an answer because you Grantham employees know that I will send an e-mail to them and post the response.

Notice that all the responses were posted within an hour and a half of each other. The same Grantham employee I think? To all looking at enrolling, do your homework. Read the posts above and the responses from other Universities. The proof is right there, all you have to do is read it, and do a little research for yourself.

Sounds good April 3, 2007 at 1:53 a.m.

I'll let you know what USC tells me.

To miserable April 3, 2007 at 2:08 a.m.

Go right ahead!! Want me to give my instructors name also with references. What a miserable individual you are!!

GRANTHAM PLEASE April 3, 2007 at 4:55 a.m.

Obviously we have people from Grantham posting responses here. Like everyone is saying research for yourself about this school. Ex-Employees and current employees hate the day they ever landed at grantham for work im sure. It amazes me how people have so much to say BUT in defense to Grantham but haven't the slightest clue! It matters who's sleeping with who at Grantham because I don't want to go to a school that lacks morals and standards. If anything customer service has gotten worse at Grantham. Noone is there to answer the phone and I never get called until they want more money from me.Tons of schools will not accept Grantham credits and most of us "LIKE MINDED" individuals understand that from experience.

EX-STUDENT April 3, 2007 at 11:17 a.m.

My wife and I both are graduates of Grantham Univerity. I transferred my degree into Averett University which allowed me to recently achieve my MBA. My wife transferred into Capella University and received her Masters and now she is in the doctorial Program at Nova Southeastern University.
All in all it was a great fit for us.

Proof has been posted April 3, 2007 at 11:49 a.m.

Anyone can SAY that they were able to transfer their Grantham degree to a Regional school and got their Masters. There is documented PROOF that, in most cases, that is simnply not true. Proof from actual universities with verifiable contact information has been posted saying that they WILL NOT accept a Grantham degree. I hardly think that my "mental state" has anything to do with me looking out for my fellow Military Service Members.

It all comes down to this: Do you want to spend the time and money on a degree that is not looked highly upon and not accepted when you want to further your education OR, do you want to spend the same time and money on a a degree that will be accepted at MOST other schools. Schools like Fort Hayes University, San Diego State online, Old Dominion online, etc. are Regionally Accredited and WILL be able to be transfered. Dollar for dollar, they are VERY competative. They WILL NOT charge you $250 a credit hour for a class that no other school will touch.

It's been said on here before and I'll say it again: I'm not telling anyone NOT to go to Grantham. That is up to you. I'm simply saying that any potential student needs to do a little research before dropping their entire GI Bill or TA into a school that may not fit into their plan. The Grantham employees that are posting here seem to be very passionate about attacking others. Be that as it may, do your homewoork on this school. You will find out a lot.

ALL A DREAM April 3, 2007 at 5:45 p.m.

Focus on the facts instead of focusing on who are employee's or ex employees. This is maddness. Facts and research speak for themselves. Some people are making a mockery out of what is fact here. If you have done your research you will know that most allegations that have been made about Grantham are reality. Just call the school, look on other sites. Everyone can't have a vendetta against these people.... The only mental conditions I detect are the people on this board that are living in a dream in hopes that there degree will actually take them somewhere. most school that have been named for taking Grantham credits aren't any that people have ever heard of. When its time for an employer to hire u or a school to take your credits, they will ask the same question. "WHO IS GRANTHAM?"

General Comment April 3, 2007 at 6:51 p.m.

Good enough for the Department of Education of The United States of America and CHEA means it is good enough for me.
To miserable ex-employee, How much experience do you have accrediating educational programs?

National Accreditation April 3, 2007 at 10 p.m.

What is really funny is when I was hired, they explained National Accreditation to me. This is what they told me.

You know when you pick up a Star magazine or Readers Digest they have that art school in the back? The one where you draw either the pirate or the turtle and send it back in. They are Nationally Accredited.

What do you think would happen in you received a degree from that "online" art school and went to Disney or Marvel or even your local newspaper to get a job? They would laugh you out the door.

Victor April 3, 2007 at 11:25 p.m.

Like any other product or service, there is nothing to please everybody at the same level. all the opinions are personal opinions and they do noit reflect the true reputation of the school as well as its educational parameters. In my case, I've completed 12 credits already with Grantham. in my initial contact with the educational advisors/sales people or any name you want to give them, they were professional and had all the patience in the world to answer all my questions and to clarify all my concerns. I did the same with other online universities before I start spending my money. Now, that several months have passed, I can honestly say than Grantham University meets the expectations I had, the courses and books are appropriate and the faculty is accesible. The books were compared with local university books, since i used their libraries to study; the indexes, chapters and lessons run parallel and similar topics are reviewed.
Also, it is important to have in mind that when people expresses their discomfort with a service or product-in this case with Grantham- in a very rude way, are people that are not interested with their education at all, their ignorance and lack of goals to succeed is revealed in their words. Grantham University is highly recommended for those who like challenge and are determined to accomplished all tasks-no half/ways- for a good recognition. In regards to credits accepted by other universities, it makes sense that other places won't take all the credits because they would not make any money by enrolling you in only a few credits. Yes, shopping around is the best, and you will find universities that give credit to 50%, 60%, 70%, and 80% of your credits. The rest has to be in accordance with their particular policies and curricula so you can adhere to a new student body, a new study house, and a new institution. I'm aware of that, and I'm already shopping around for those places that gives me the best. I have nothing bad or disappointed to say about Grantham University but the pleasure of better myself with a top notch courses that are already put in practice at my job, where lots of materials have contributed to several training meetings. Keep it up, enjoy Grantham or any other university; education is good!

Former employee and student April 4, 2007 at 2:15 a.m.

You have no clue what you are talking about. Grantham flat out lied to it's Slidell employees, multiple times. You can believe all the lies that your employer is telling you, the truth is out there and has been out there. Forget that Grantham credits are worthless at MOST OTHER universities, the school treated it's Slidell employees like dirt. Fact: The school gave each employee only a few days to move to KC after the worst disaster to hit the United States....ever. If you were not willing to leave your home and family, you were fired. That is the fact. On their own website, they said that they would hold jobs for those not able to come up right away. The truth was, within a week, those who could not come were receiving termination letters. Then they said that Grantham would be returning to LA. Yep, another lie. The list goes on and on. Personally, I'm glad that I stayed because I am earning a nice living making quite a bit more than Grantham was every willing to pay it's employees.

I'm not bitter with Grantham, I understand how a business works. I understand how Grantham felt that their employees were just numbers, just like their students. Look at the way they run their departments. Students are just numbers to them. "We need X amount of TA's today". I remember hearing them say that. Don't make your goal for the week and catch hell from them. I use to work for admissions and I got sick and tired of the way we were treated and the way we were expected to deceive potential students just so we could make our goal. I transfered out of that department and actually took a paycut to do it. I was happy to make less money just to be done with it.

Appreciate last 2 posts April 4, 2007 at 2:35 a.m.

Choice is yours to make about Grantham. I can care less whether you take this free information that so many have offered for your well being. the choice is yours. Don't say you were not warned.
You can lead a horse to the water but you can't make him drink it!!

Outsider looking in April 4, 2007 at 4:49 a.m.

Some interesting information here to be sure.

What I find most interesting is that all of the individuals who are saying that Grantham credits will not be accepted by other schools are posting what look like real emails from other schools confirming that claim. The individuals who are posting that they had no problem transfering credits have posted nothing proving it, just expecting everyone to take their word for it. Come on guys! Out of all the people that claim that their credits transfered, is there not one of you who can come up with something, an email, a website, something from the school you transfered to that says that they will accept Grantham credits?

And to the supposed Department of Education employee that posted earlier, you said "Why does anyone send e-mails to schools trying to get in?". Are you a complete idiot? These are online schools we are talking about. This is the online degree review website. Grantham does not even have a campus. How else is someone suppose to get information from an online school? If this is who the Department of Education is hiring, we are all in trouble. Plus, no Department of Education employee would claim that any legitimate school will give you credits based on your resume. Please, you are only showing how ignorant you are.

To Victor April 4, 2007 at 11:27 a.m.

Finally a voice of wisdom on this forum.

To all you employees April 4, 2007 at 12:20 p.m.

If you truly believe in your school and the product you sell, why dont you post your names and extensions so potential students can contact you directly to ask their questions? Get off the breakroom computers and take a few of their phone calls.

2 "General" April 4, 2007 at 5:42 p.m.

Grantham doesn't have good benefits at all. We were told health insurance would be free when we first were hired, but once we were hired...Grantham pulled us in the conference room and told us that we would have to pay fully for it. What benefits do we have-half off ice cream and pretzels? We work hard everyday here, and these students only wish they knew exactly what actually goes on here. These students want so much not to believe there choice for higher education is stiffing them in every way. Hold on to your pipe dreams, because Grantham doesn't mind taking your money and using it to buy BMW's, F150 trucks, lavish homes in Virginia and 400,000 dollar homes in Kansas City!!

General April 4, 2007 at 7:29 p.m.

Senior management overhaul is due! Pay and treat Employees well. Take these steps and watch Grantham flourish. It would be as good as it was in 2004.Maybe better!

Field Marshal April 8, 2007 at 3:06 a.m.

"Admissions Reps (Read: Salesmen) were making about $14 and hour plus commission"

Last I heard, Instructors (to use the term very loosely) are paid $15 per hour.

Robert April 10, 2007 at 4:06 a.m.

Wow, I'm sure they are able to get top tier college professors paying $15 an hour. That's who I want teaching me university level course work, someone who get's paid less than a waiter. Oh wait, they don't do any teaching. It's up to you to teach yourself, they just grade (if you want to call it that) your papers when they get around to it. What a pathetic excuse for a school this it.

Recent Graduate April 12, 2007 at 10:52 p.m.

I just got my Computer Science B.S. from Grantham, and I'm surprised by all the comments I'm seeing here. I've been interviewing with prospective employers for more than a month now, and have three separate job offers on the table, all the way from $45k a year up to $65k. I've got almost no experience in the field, and so this is a great start for me. None of these folks hiring me has even raised an eyebrow at my degree. All they wanted to know was that the university was accredited, and once they knew that it was nationally accredited, they were fine with it and accepted the degree. Regional and national accreditation are basically the same thing; they don't indicate anything separate really.

To Recent Grad April 13, 2007 at 4:10 p.m.

Congrats to you!

Computer Science degrees of any type are in demand.
Some HR departments are not very savvy, as long as you have "A DEGREE" of any type.

2 GENERAL April 14, 2007 at 7:38 p.m.

You know what........Not one single employee care's whether you get a worthless degree from Grantham period!! We as employees have the inside scoop and wanted to share it to current students and students who are looking to possibly enroll! It makes us no difference if a college won't except your degree, because it's not taking or putting any money in our pockets!

Inform everyone April 18, 2007 at 4:01 a.m.

Grantham is accredited through DETC. DETC has guidelines on how they process complaints.
From the DETC Web Page:

If you have a complaint about a DETC-accredited institution, please contact Adriene Crossland adriene@detc.org, Assistant to the Director of Accreditation.
202-234-5100 Ext. 105

*******************
Another Education Assocation to complain to is:
American Council on Education
One Dupont Circle NW
Washington, DC 20036-1193
(202) 939-9300
Their website is www.acenet.edu

********************
For Service Members & Veterans:

Those Servicemembers having problems with Grantham should also complain to these people.

Servicemembers Opportunity Colleges
1307 New York Avenue, NW
Fifth Floor
Washington, DC 20005-4701

soc.aascu.org/

800-368-5622
202-667-0079
FAX 202-667-0622

*******************
Don't forget to send your complaint to the VA if you used your GI Bill:

gibill.va.gov/contact/contact.htm
1-888-442-4551

*****************

Also, you might want to send your complaint to the U.S. Dept of Education - Inspector General Hotline:

ed.gov/about/offices/list/oig/misused/index.html

E-mail your Grantham Complaint to: oig.hotline@ed.gov

*****************

It is my opinion that complaining on Ripoff report and posting on internet forums might warn potential students; it does NOT force Grantham to act. Complaining to the RIGHT people (The Government and Military) will make them respond. Since the majority of Grantham Students are Military, it's important for them to seek help from their respective services if they're having problems. If enough complaints are processed, DETC COULD revoke their accreditation, which could cause a chain reaction: The military and the VA GI Bill won't pay for an unaccredited school, which would eventually force Grantham to change their ways for shut down.

GOOD LUCK!

An instructor April 19, 2007 at 6:43 p.m.

Just want to ask that former students stop generalizing. I work for Grantham as a part-time independent contractor (instructor). I answer my students' emails within 24 hours, and my tests are difficult to pass. Students have to correctly write essays. So, open book or not, means nothing. You are bashing an entire population with some hard-working people. We don't discriminate in this country by race or religion. Let's not generalize an entire group of professionals into the joke you've made of them... I came on this site after my google search of "Grantham benefits" (looking to see if they offer medical benefits if full-time employed) and this came up. How sad. Stop grouping people into clumps. My students email me all the time that I am helpful and courteous. I am kind, and respectful to my military students, especially...

I am disappointed to read all of this nonsense...anger is fine. Take it to the right places.

Let's show a little kindness in return.

WOW April 22, 2007 at 3:13 a.m.

I have heard that Grantham is moving back to Lousiana. Anyone have any news on this?

Note to Instructor April 24, 2007 at 4:36 a.m.

Kudos to you for being professional in the face of this mess. Check out www.higheredjobs.com , you can adjunct for a regionally accredited school starting at a bare minimum of more than double your current salary. I understand if you needed to do it to get something on your CV, but I would upgrade to a better school.

"I work for Grantham as a part-time independent contractor (instructor). I answer my students' emails within 24 hours, and my tests are difficult to pass... I am kind, and respectful to my military students, especially..."

this crap is funny April 29, 2007 at 6:59 p.m.

Any one who would waste their time money on a non-regionally accredited degree is a certified idiot.

I can't say it any simpler than that.

Any college that does not have regional accredidation that trys to pass it self off as a legitimate school should be shut down and its managers/founders imprisoned for fraud.

If you want a respected degree but must attend online, find a state supported college that also has a ground campus.

Waste of money is right May 3, 2007 at 7:24 p.m.

Grantham is a huge waste of money and time, especially when you can get a degree from a reputable, Regionally accredited school for less cost and be treated better while doing it.

The word is getting out May 6, 2007 at 3:26 a.m.

http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread....

This is just too funny. More and more people are reading about this school and can make a judgement for themselves, not just what a sales guy at Grantham is telling them.

Just a Guy May 7, 2007 at 9:07 p.m.

KC,

Let me put it to you this way. I am an executive recruiter and have been for 15 years. I also teach HR at the collegiate level both online and traditionally.

If you sent me a resume with a Grantham degree on it, I would immediately toss it in the trash, as would every other recruiter I know.

If you apply for a masters program at a regionally accreditied school trying to use your Grantham degree they will not accept you.

For anyone considering higher education avoid schools that are not regionally accredited. Grantham has NO CHANCE of gaining regional accrediation. Save your Time/Money AVOID THIS SCHOOL!!!

Correction on Accreditation May 16, 2007 at 2:56 p.m.

"Now do your lessons no matter what school you go to. Grantham is a great school and will have Regional Accreditation shortly. It's accreditation now is good"

Grantham is NOT a candidate for regional accreditation, they are not on the list, sorry.

They are also far from being a great school. They are nationally accredited, and a bottom tier DETC school at that.

Regional NO!!! May 17, 2007 at 6:19 p.m.

Everyone knows you can't really get a higher learning type education out of Grantham...Most people are in the Military and just want to get something, some type of Degree! Problem is, they dont research b4 enrolling in this school....Grantham said last year that they would have Title 4 funding by June 2007...Well I must inform you....they don't!! Regional Accreditation...umm NO not going to happen besides it takes years to get this certification....and actually you have to have Title 4 funding in order to apply for Regional Accreditation!!!!!!!!
Please take your education elsewhere and STOP Enrolling with Grantham

No need to improvise, adapt, and overcome..... May 27, 2007 at 7:58 p.m.

Just go to a good school that will appreciate what you did for your country.

Here is the deal. I'm a Veteran. I used GI Bill benefits at Grantham, and I got screwed, big time. The truth is, and they wont tell you this when you enroll, is that you will only be considered a "part time" student while enrolled at Grantham because of all the time they give you to complete your semester. This means that you will only recieve "Half time" pay for your work. IF (and that's a big IF) you complete your semester early, you MAY get your benefits retro. Here is the clincher, you have to depend on THEM to complete your semester, IE: you need to have papers graded, you need responses from instructors, you need your proctor exam sent to your Proctor, and then wait for it to be graded (and Grantham is slow with all of this). Long story short, I was never able to complete my semester early because of all the incompetence that Grantham is full of, so, I only got half time GI Bill benefits. That's about $500 a month. Now, I had to pay $250 a credit hour for five three/four credit hour courses in a semester. So, you pay over $4250 for a semester but only receive about $3000 in benefits because Grantham wont answer your questions in a timely manner or send your proctor exams out on time. Don't even get me started if you need an extention to complete your semester because of their foul ups. You end up OWING money back to the VA.

Look into Fort Hayes State University. It's all online, it's Regionaly Accredited, and you are considered a "Full Time Student" from day one with a traditional semester time frame. All that, and your degree will actually mean something when you are done.

the patriot May 28, 2007 at 1:30 a.m.

I'm glad to get some feedback on the VA benefits matter. I decided to take it a step further. By sometime Monday, I'm expecting a response from the Missouri Education Dept, BBB, Dept of Education, etc to get any and all information they have on Grantham whether its complaints, investigations, reports of wrong doing, etc. Thanks for the feedback and I will look into FHSU as a backup.

Figures May 28, 2007 at 3:32 a.m.

It figures that even Grantham staff are cheating on their exams. It also figures that Grantham did not fire them. Just goes to show you that they do not care about anything except making money.

Question???? May 29, 2007 at 3:31 a.m.

are the 3 amigos's from slidell or kc? if they are from slidell are they going back home? from ripp off reports everytime a employee from slidell gets ready to leave they get in trouble. something always come up? now if we are talking about cheating how come they were not fired? HUMMMM managaement don't have proof. if they investigate them they will have to do it for all including managment. how can you cheat on the proctored exams the questions come from the course guide word for word. no cheating is needed just pay attention to the questions. any sane person can pass it.

Why do you think they are fazing student services out and on june 4 student progress will be sending out porctored exams?

This is how easy it is to cheat at Grantham May 29, 2007 at 12:26 p.m.

If you are paying to cheat....go ahead
If you are serious about a good education ...then do the right thing by taking your exams honestly.
"Cheating" hummmm life presents itself with may opportunities to cheat. People do it all the time. The real question is why?
Again, if you are serious about a good education....then you won't have to cheat

a thought to think about May 29, 2007 at 2:49 p.m.

I work at Grantham and I know all who are being investigated and its hard for me to believe that the 3 Amigo's cheated. they took their exams at the school infront of the director himself or if not him some upper manager with authority. They all are in different degree programs. This is what i think happened. According to policy when you get your Associates Degree you get a 2% raise and $2000 after 90 days Bachalors 5% and $5000 in your upcoming check. Think about it. If they had completed their Associates them they are still waiting for their $2000 and if they complete their BA within the 90 days then that will be $5000 in their next check so that would be a total of $7000 managment would have to approve for each of then a whopping $21000. but what really pissed them off they are leaving and going back home in July. Not to mention the others they are investigating. when you start talking about money being given that is when they want to investigate why!!! See his real motives comes from an Employee who was awarded his BA and got all his money and Monday morning he quit. He got his degree an left and is probably making more money now and is at peace. So why not stop eveyone else from doing the same thing that he did. so they called them all cheaters. What better way to not pay someone for doing what everyone will need to have to work at grantham "A DEGREE"!!! Yes that is right. It will be a requirement. If you don't have a degree you will be let go. Just blow your mind!!! i know all of granthams dirty little secrets.

SUPPOSE to be seeking is the right term June 1, 2007 at 12:37 p.m.

Grantham is famous for big promises and little return. They have been seeking ABET and Regional Accreditation for YEARS. They will keep on seeking while their students suffer.

UoP student June 16, 2007 at 1:58 p.m.

Just yesterday I received a message on my home phone and an email to my military email address from Grantham University. A little over a year ago I started looking around for schools that offer degrees online because I am in the military and work crazy schedules. I am an online student with University of Phoenix and have been taking classes with them for one year and plan to continue my education until I graduate. I honestly do not remember inquiring of Grantham University, but if I did, then why did it take them a little over a year to get back to me? If this is an indicator of their customer service, then I am not impressed.

. June 24, 2007 at 8:11 p.m.

Grantham was losing employees AND students at a rapid rate when I was still there. I can only imagine what is going on now. A lot of students were very upset with all the problems they were having before their move. From what I understand, they are having even more problems now.

y July 4, 2007 at 4:47 a.m.

Former adjunct, good for you for trying. Good for you for not taking long to get a clue. Good luck, you are off to better things.

former graduate July 6, 2007 at 10:22 p.m.

Overall: I couldn’t use my degree for progression in the Air Force. I know I will have problems in the civilian world.

Materials: “GOOD”.

Teachers: Need improvement. They need to be held accountable for not meeting student’s needs (i.e. responding to emails). I had an instructor tell me to hire a tutor. I struggled through math class on my own...no help! BTW...not all instructors were bad. Dr. Sutter was great and there have been other good ones. If you’re out there “thank you!”

Institution: Leadership needs to wake up and smell the coffee. You need to listen to its students, instructors, and staff for advice. It’s called process of improvement!

Support: I gave them a "6". I rated it not for the 3 bad instructors I had but for the majority of the instructors that pushed me, emailed me back to do better, or study harder. Thank you! I did learn a lot from them. Overall, the adjunct instructors I had were very knowledgeable and supporting. Grantham should listen to them and take some advice.

Value: It’s poor! I have not advanced in the Air Force with this degree. I have applied for State Jobs in IL...no luck there. It looks as if the only job I can get is the one I currently have. Wake up Grantham...you students need both Regional and ABET accreditation. I have been told by Grantham, We’re obtaining both since 2001. It isn't going to happen...bad on you for not keeping your word Grantham...shame on you!

Use of Technology: It could use improvement. I t does use very good technology for software via distance learning. I think using some hands-on circuit breadboards, multimeter, and a hand-held o-scope would be very beneficial. Also, use video for instructing students on-line.

My comments about cheating: I want to say I never cheated and for those that did...shame on you! You know Grantham’s "Code of Conduct" and its policy about cheating. It’s like any other school; if you’re caught you get in trouble. That should fall more on the person than Grantham because you can not get through life or your next job if you’re a cheater.

I would like to see from Grantham: Obtain Regional and ABET at the same time. Offer a Master's program for Engineering. Start an undergrad program for Electrical and Computer Engineering, Biomedical Engineering, and Biomedical Engineering Technology.

My final comments: Grantham if you can hear me...you know my thoughts since I constantly email about "what my expectations are from you" so wake up and smell the darn coffee. Also, for current Grantham students if you’re going to complain this is a good place, ripoffreport, and the Better Business Bureau. My advice to students is complaining to Grantham’s President, Dean and Provost and let them know just how you feel about the school. Also, let them know you’re unhappy and if things do not change for the better and soon you will take your money elsewhere. . Grantham…its time to act now before it’s too late!

Investigations July 11, 2007 at 4:39 p.m.

I have seen comments on here saying that Grantham is being investigated. It always is written " I heard that gratham is being investigated by...." Name your source. Where do you see this? I can not find a single document or anything saying Grantham is being investigated. That would be like me saying that I heard Grantham is joining MIT's engineering department. If you dont reference a real source then I have to assume your pulling it out of your chair warmer.

Who cares? July 19, 2007 at 5:52 p.m.

Who cares if Grantham is being investigated. They stink, non the less. Investigation or not, people ARE dropping out and going to other school. Grantham enrollments are down and keep going down. Their service stinks, their accreditation stinks, their management stinks, their education stinks. A school where you teach yourself??? Yeah, right.

Unhappy with GU July 20, 2007 at 6:25 p.m.

I know I am preaching to the choir here, but it does make me feel better. I began taking classes with GU in 2002 while still on active duty. No, I did not research them. Quite simply, I felt their program had the flexibility I needed to finish my degree.

I actually received an email through the Base from the Top 3 organization stating that several schools, including Grantham, were offering scholarships to the military to cover the cost of 25% that was not being paid by TA at the time.

I enrolled and 4 years later finished my BS in computer science. Soon after that I was looking for a new job and the fact that I had a degree, even from GU, was a major factor in getting the job. Did my employer care where the degree was from? I don't think so; he was hiring me for my experience. However, it is a requirement in this company to have at least a BA or BS degree.

I am currently enrolled in their MBA program and my BIGGEST complaint is the lack of customer service. Like MANY of the post I have read here, GU is only interested in the next semester and the next student AND the money...That’s it. It is nearly impossible to get someone on the phone. They rarely return calls or emails. It is simply terrible. SO after five years, once this semester is finished, so am I. I am looking at transferring (assuming they will accept the credits) to American Military University's MBA program. They are nationally and regionally accredited. My wife takes classes there and it is like night and day compared to Grantham.

Needs Regional and ABET July 21, 2007 at 8:11 p.m.

Grantham used to call me every day about enrollment. I told them sure i would enroll if you are regionally and ABET accredited. There was silence on the phone. SIr, we are obtaining regional in 2008. My reply, I was told back in 2002 Grantham was seeking this and as of today--nothing!

I know they're accredited by the US Dept of Education but many people don't understand nationally accredited. Many believe it’s a lower standard of accreditation--its not!

I think Grantham needs to upgrade to regional and ABET and be done with it--stop milking the students and get the job done.

Wright August 2, 2007 at 2:59 p.m.

I liked everyone's comments, bad ones and good ones! Grantham is not for everyone, and you can say the same for any school you go to. But, I have been enrolled in Grantham since 2005 and they have done a great job! 1 out of 10 they are a 8. My goal was just to have a degree that I did not have to pay for! And that is all I wanted! I been in the IT business for 20+ years and I have found several useful things that I have learned at Grantham. And, it reflects in my job (example: more pay, job satisfaction, just to name a few). Good luck for those who are still searching for an education!

Military Targets of Theft August 3, 2007 at 2:38 a.m.

WOW if you students don't read what the ADJUNCT Instructor went through with Grantham then you have been brainwashed too....IF you students dont take the time and will to want and earn a reliable degree then you too should be taken for your money like all the rest

??? August 4, 2007 at 2:30 a.m.

ok... your comment was idiotic. I hate grantham. I can easily do the work. I just choose to go somewhere were I actually learn something and not from little course guides.

the person above needs a clue or 3 August 7, 2007 at 4:24 p.m.

Is that why you hang around here? You couldn't hack it? To do the work at Grantham does not mean you have to have great intellect. Why would I solve engineering problems? I am not an engineer.

Capital letters are your friend. Is that your stellar GU education at work?

Which dept. do you head?

you are a liar August 9, 2007 at 2:08 p.m.

I am soooo convinced someone with your "skills" makes 100k. I am far from broke and obviously have a better education from a real university.

You know you are a GU clone, who really has nothing to say. That is why the above will be your supposed last comment.

Obviously a liar August 9, 2007 at 3:28 p.m.

You stated no more replies too.

Admittedly I only make 60k, but at entry level, I am happy with that. I have only been at my job 4 months.

Congratulations on your salary obviously you need it to feel you are worthwhile.

Big hugs to you.

Real Alumni here August 9, 2007 at 11:33 p.m.

Hello Old Vet. I'm a relativly young vet myself. :) Only 33.

I can say with all honesty that my Grantham degree has gotten me no where that my military experience did not already put me. My boss flat out told me that he hired me because of my military background. He also told me flat out that had I applied and only had the Grantham degree listed with no military background, he would not have even called me back. I asked him why that was. He pretty much told me, "Why would I hire someone who only had to take open book tests to get their degree? I want someone who went to a real school.". It looks like he read up on Grantham.

Truth be told, I have been past up and past over by former employers because of this degree. I know I have lost job opportunities because of it, and I know that I have lost job promotions because of it. I even tried to transfer to another school half way though because of the negative feed back I was getting by potential employers, but no other school would accept any of the credits I earned from Grantham. Not just one or two courses, but every single course I took. None of them would transfer.

If I had to do it all over again, I would not go with Grantham. Take a look at Fort Hayes State or Old Dominion. They have great, totally online degrees that employers will take seriously. They are not self paced like Granthams are, but they are real courses, given by real instructors, earned from a real University.

Best of luck to you Old Vet, and thanks for your service.

Wrong August 12, 2007 at 5:01 a.m.

"Most individuals don't understand accreditation. the same accrediting bodies that give regional accreditation are the same accrediting bodies for the national accreditation."

Very misleading. Regional accreditation is a more stringent, more accepted level than national is by far. Trying to say they are virtually the same thing is misleading at best.

Tim August 23, 2007 at 4:28 p.m.

I have a question. Is it that Grantham is that bad of a school or is it the national accreditation that's the problem? Are there any national accredited schools with good reputations that students wouldn't have problems with when transferring credit?

to tim is right August 24, 2007 at 5:29 p.m.

The answer is the most honest answer about the "university" here.

I was staff. I liked the sound of an unanswered phone. I did not have time to consistently answer it or return voice mails. So I didn't, part of that is because I had too much other work and didn't have time for students. Sounds strange, considering the University should be about students.

Curious August 30, 2007 at 2:16 a.m.

I have read all of these posts and I am curious why some say the degree is worthless. I e-mailed 3 employers and asked them if a Bachelor's degree in EET from Grantham was sufficient to apply for a job with them and they all said that it was. They all said that they only ensure that the degree is from an accredited organization, whether it be nationally or regionall accredited they didn't care.

To Trisha August 31, 2007 at 2:17 a.m.

If a used car salesman was trying to convice you that the baby poop green Pinto was the most prestigious car on the market today, would you believe him? Probably not, because you did your research on cars before you went shopping.

When the Grantham used car salesman tries to tell you that Grantham is one of the most prestegious degrees on the market today, he/she is trying to SELL you something. Do your research. Contact other schools. See what they say. You will be shocked by the answers you receive from them when you mention the name "Grantham".

Grantham Admission Advisors are nothing more than salesmen. The following is taken directly from the Admissions Advisor job posting on their website. These are two of the "skills" that they require:

Meeting and exceeding pre-established sales / enrollment objectives.

Advanced understanding of consultative selling, uncovering buying decisions and understanding customer needs.

In other words, they are salesmen, NOT advisors and NOT enrollment counselors. They need to meet goals, or they are fired. That's the long and short of it. You are just a number in order for them to keep their job. After you enroll, you will continue to be a number, just under Student Retention now. Aint life grand at Grantham.

To Trisha August 31, 2007 at 5:59 p.m.

Without a doubt, look into Fort Hayes State University. They have a campus in Fort Hayes KS. but you can get your degree 100% online. Regional Accreditation, great staff. It's not self paced, but the instructors actually instruct you. I have no affiliation with FHSU, but have a few friends that went there and they were VERY happy with the experience. Even better news, they are cheaper than Grantham on tuition.

another guy September 3, 2007 at 11:19 p.m.

I say for all you DRANTHAM students if you do leave do the right thing and let upper management know why you're leaving. I think Grantham needs to rethink its support for its students (e.g. Abet & regional accreditation). This should be its #1 goal before 2008.

Do YOU & the other students justics let them know why you're leavibg, going to a better school because that';s what will make them change.

Good luck!

Trisha September 8, 2007 at 3:13 a.m.

Psychology. Thanks for any help. A friend of mine mentioned American Military University and said it was a great school. I haven't heard of it. I looked at Argosy University but it was too expensive.

grantham student September 12, 2007 at 12:33 a.m.

Shahaila "Shay"

I think 6 years is enough time to obtain both ABET and Regional. I started way back when it was said by the school every year they're working on both and NO RESULTS.

Its a great school and they can obtain both if they want too. I think its going to take a loss of students to make it happen so management can rethink its strategy.

I would recommend it however; for engineering w/o ABET and Regional your degree means very little to outside agencies that know about both accreditations and governement jobs trying to hiring you.

just my two cents.

soon to be former grantham student September 15, 2007 at 9:35 p.m.

Former Student,

I agree my electrical engineering degree has no weight for obtaining an Air Force Comiision because it lacks both regional & Abet accreditation.

Unless the obtain these in 2008 I am leaving and going to a school that offers both.

Pareto's law states that 80% of your problems & students will leave unless you fix the 20% (e.g. regional & Abet accreditation).

Sorry GU...you need to "Man up" and fix those two things.

So proud September 18, 2007 at 2:06 a.m.

So proud ryan that you represent our country.

You aren't funny and you are pathetic.

prospective Employee September 19, 2007 at 12:30 a.m.

Of the employees that have posted here were any of you Student Progress Reps? I have been offered a job and would like to know what I would be possibly making an hour an to know if it is worth it. Or should I just walk away from any offer. Thanks

run fast September 19, 2007 at 2:36 a.m.

I was a Student progress rep. At 10.00 an hour and the ridiculous management. You can do much better at McDonald's. I am sure you are qualified to work at a much better place.

Grantham Student September 22, 2007 at 8:40 a.m.

I currently am attending Grantham University and will be completing my degree after next semester. I have read everything on here and most of the threads are things that I have been concerned with myself. However most of the posts on here are misinformed at best. First of all, transferring credits from school to school is never the approach you want to take in the first place. I started my degree when I was in the Marine Corps and until I started with Grantham I was taking classes at whatever school was where I was stationed at. Because of this I now have 5 schools that I have to get transcripts from whenever I need them. As far as transferring credits in the first place. Here in Arizona there are 3 major public schools. University of Arizona, Arizona State and Northern Arizona. University of Arizona will not accept transfer credits for degrees from the majority of classes at the other two schools. It is a matter of curriculum, and of course money. However with that said, I have spoken with multiple state Universities about Law School once I graduate from Grantham. All of them so far, while stressing that the demand for higher LSAT scores would be needed, would take a bachelors degree from ANY accredited university, National or regional. I have also spoken with my own employer and multiple Goverment agencies about employment, in specific the CIA and FBI. My own employer, Texas Instruments, stressed the quality of education that is demonstrated by distance education schools, regional or nationally accredited (Ie. University of Phoenix - regionally accredited). They see these schools as subpar compared to traditional schools. With that said I have been offered a promotion to management after I graduate. As far as the Goverment, while the FBI's website does state regionally accredited schools, the recruiter assured me that a nationally accredited school would suffice for the degree requirement as well, and would be seen just as any other degree.
The best advice that I can give is that if it is available to you go to a traditional school. Grantham's quality of education cannot touch these schools. However, if you are unable to do this, then Grantham is a fine school. What you put into it is what you get out of it. The classes that I took seriously I learned a lot from, the other classes I took the tests, took my A and moved on. If you are considering Grantham then I do recommend it with those cautions, it is an excellent way to complete a degree. The accredidation is there so you are safe knowing that you won't be fired from your job for having a fake degree. Finally once you start your degree with Grantham, finish it. In the end it will take me two years to complete my degree. Once I have my Bachelors the doors are open to me. I plan on continuing my education with possibly other Bachelors degrees, more probably advanced degrees.

Shay September 24, 2007 at 12:48 a.m.

6 years is not always enough time. They were in the process of moving to Kansas City to become regionally accredited because the accrediting agency in that part of the country is more linent with online schools then the one in Louisiana was. Which is why they were moving "part" of the campus up there before the hurricane. I am not saying that it is good or bad. I just know that for a lot of my students it was a good fit. They wanted it either for their Military promotions or to promote within the company they were at. The same company that paid for their education. I know that many many really good employers not only accept the degree but will also pay for it. I know this, not because Grantham told me this, but because I actually got the payment receipts from the employers. My point is that there is so much more out there for the people who worked for Grantham. It is a stepping stone. Use it to your advantage. I left on bad terms with them, but I would never say that students do not get something out of it. Because I believe that the ones who are going into it for the right reasons do get what they came for. I just want to know why anyone would "sell" something or work for something they do not believe in. Doesn't that make you a fraud too?

BS September 24, 2007 at 7:24 p.m.

As I read through the posts, I'm curious..It was suggested back in February that all the people bashing Grantham should contact the Better Business Bureau with their "legitimate" complaints. If all of the negative things I have read about Grantham are true, how come there are no new complaints listed on the BBB site? Could it be that the vast majority of accusations against Grantham are untrue? (Please don't tell me to check some other "bashing website" for the "truth". When I read it on an established, respected website, I'll believe it.)

To BS September 25, 2007 at 10:55 a.m.

About 50% of the negative comments are from the one person that answered you.

TO BS September 25, 2007 at 3:21 p.m.

If you think the BBB is respectable, a GU degree would be perfect for you.

. September 25, 2007 at 11:35 p.m.

Uh, because they are accredited by the DETC?

to Just a guy September 26, 2007 at 2:37 p.m.

Here's a good example: www.cooks.edu

Accreditation not recognized, useless degree. Open-book coursework, no proctored exams. They have never changed the answer keys, so "students" just swap answers; they never actually have to read anything.

I watched a guy get promoted to Engineer, then ultimately Branch Manager with a degree from Cook's. I think he clears 90+K a year in that position. His friends are all engineers, all degrees from Cook's. The sad part is, once everyone found out Cook's was a complete sham (we call it the "Cookie-cutter" degree), the company was powerless to do anything about it.

Mr. B September 30, 2007 at 9:16 p.m.

You cant tell me that someone gets a bogus degree and cant be fired. That's crap. If an employee of mine tells me he has a degree, first, I check up on it. Then, if by some weird ripple in time and space I hire him thinking he has a "real" degree and I find out otherwise, he's gone. Let him say otherwise.

outsider looking in... October 7, 2007 at 5:17 p.m.

To Mr B & Mr E,

FYI...

Grantham is accredited according to the US Dept of Education. Cooks EE program is not so you can not compare these two universities fairly. Grantham is DETC accredited and by law that is no different than a regional facility. Both are not Abet accredited but both do have all the requirements listed for students taking an abet accredited program. This is good!

Grantham does offer proctored exams, not all tests or quizes are open book as mentioned above, and the exams are online. Online tests, you can't swap the answers with other students; once you exit the exam you're test is done so Grantham makes those tests very difficult and hard to cheat on. Honestly, in my opinion, it doesn't matter what univeristy you attend if you're a student if you want it badly you can find ways to cheat to get ahead. Personaly, I believe sooner or later those people will get caught since you can't cheat your way through the job and promotions.

I think employers on here SHOULD give Grantham students a chance...you would be surprised at what they can DO. E.g. I have seen its students build complex ciruits using workbench and troubleshoot those circuits with simulated o-scopes, DMM, etc... Today's technology those simulated oscope made by tecktronix was the same model we use at work. I was so impressed at how realistic it was. Also, math Grantham students study Calc 1,2,and 3 or discrete math, etc (other include physics 1 & 2, C#,C+,C++ all of these with lab exercises). The labs include software such as Microsoft project, Motorola M68000 Microprocessor Developer System, Motorola ASM68K/EMU68K, Microsoft Visual Studio.NET (C++) and more.

My recommendation since I am in management is that you always do your reserach. Most important is accredited univeristies by US dept of Eduucation so if a college is not listed I think its a diploma mill. Abet is another I don't think a college should have the accreditation but its more important it follows Abets critera which Grantham has both of these characteristics.

My point is hire the best qualified candidate no matter where he or she hailed from college. Trye expereince I knew a gentleman hired that graduated from Clemsen Univeristy and was a citadel graduate but was not worth the price we were paying him. Actually my boss hired an online engineering techologist or applied enginner and he was able to get the job done. Bottom line for me is can you get the job done!

so I would interview and hire someone from grantham to give them a chance. It's an accredited university so I would hope you would do the same.

However; I agree a degree from cooks is not accredited so i would have a difficult time with hiring that employee.

Please do not take offense this is just my two cents...

Take care,

Mr. C

Mr C October 8, 2007 at 11:41 p.m.

My point is Grantham University is a legit and accredited college. I would have no problem hiring an individual that graduated from there...must have a positive attitude.

In your case; I see your point and what a waste. Attitude is everything!!!He might of graduated from USC but it means nothing to me if he can;t get the job done. Good lick with that!

BTW...in your case that guy who was an USC graduate really means University of Cook's instead of Carolina. lol!

Sorry for offense to all other USC graduates but this guy does sound like wasted space to me. I would be ashamed if it were me.

just my two humble cents.

Mr. C

Mr. E October 9, 2007 at 3:02 a.m.

Thanks for that, whatever that was.

To Outsider from other Outsider October 10, 2007 at 12:55 a.m.

"My point is hire the best qualified candidate no matter where he or she hailed from college"

I absolutely agree with that statement. I always say that the degree gets you the interview, you and your experience get the job. I personally couldn't tell you where most of my peers graduated from.

That being said, we are one of many large employers that require degrees to be regionally accredited (a higher level than Grantham) as a quality control check.

Many of our positions require professional licensing. Grantham, because of their DETC accreditation, does not qualify in the vast majority of states to be licensed.

For the same money and same effort, you can find a quality distance program that is regionally accredited.

Matt Kimbrell October 10, 2007 at 6:13 a.m.

I think there is one or two people who get on here every day and write terrible things about Grantham to defame them for whatever reason. I don't know why you have such a bad feeling for them, but it is ugly. I am putting my real name and will tell you I am from San Diego and work at Camp Pendleton as an RF Engineer/Program Manager. I graduated from Grantham with a BSEET then from Pepperdine with a MBA.
I wish there was an IP monitor on this site so that you could see that the same discruntled man/woman has been making the majority of the comments. I personally believe it is the same "Jason" that wrote in the ripoff report and that same "Jason" that was on the Grantham online blog via the student/alumni portal saying they were DROPPING OUT of grantham. All I have to say about "Jason" is that you will never finish your degree if you continue to have that attitude.

To all October 10, 2007 at 12:50 p.m.

I wish we did have an IP monitor here. That way you can see how many Grantham IP addresses are posting here. I would bet that over 75% of the "Grantham is great" posts are from employees and management of Grantham itself who monitor all these boards and try to do damage control.

Mr. C October 11, 2007 at 11:58 p.m.

Mr. F

I can assure you that I am not an employee of Grantham University. I simply wanted to give my advice from my management's point of view.

I know people working at TI that are not licensed engineers. Honestly, as long as the college is accredited you can still work as an engineer ut without the license you do not have the title.

just my two cents...

Good luck to everyone!

Mr. E (cont) October 12, 2007 at 12:34 a.m.

Curriculum: Challenging, if not just cruel. The worst classes (time & energy-wise) were:
Precalculus
Calculus I (These 2 will make or break your adventure with Grantham)
Calculus II
Programming in C (labs were a nightmare)
Discrete Math
Programming in C++ (labs were a nightmare)
Physics I (open-book did not save me, I failed the final exam and had to retake)
Physics II

I will admit, I did not enroll in Grantham's EET program with good intentions; I did it to get promoted quickly in my current job. I figured with all of my transfer credit and electronics knowledge I would have the program stitched up in about 6 months. Not only was I wrong, but I thought there for a time I had bitten off more than I could chew. Making the full-time deadline is a challenge into itself, let alone getting past the administrative delays. Now I am in semester 7, 2 years total investment.

So, there it is. A bit of background, and maybe enough to convince you (as if I really care what your twisted, bitter, hateful mind thinks) that I do not work for Grantham.

To To all October 12, 2007 at 11:06 a.m.

O.K. let them find out. I work as an engineer for one of the largest defense contractors and they have always paid for Grantham courses. Yes, the ABET accredidation would certainly help the school and students. That way the graduates could test for professional licenses or apply for many Master Degree Engineering Programs. To those who say the degree is worthless, it hasn't been worthless to me.

Mr. E October 15, 2007 at 11:11 p.m.

LOL.... who are the bigger idiots? Those that use what's available to succeed in their given situations, or those that spend their time spreading lies, trying to rationalize washing out, or getting fired?

Honestly, move on. Go to UoP, maybe you will have better luck there (teaching, rep, student, whatever).

. October 17, 2007 at 2:52 a.m.

Wow, the Grantham employees are out in force today.

Blah October 18, 2007 at 3:29 a.m.

See? Even unbiased statistics tell us that you are a moron. Scientific proof that the insipid and unmotivated will fail no matter where they attend. Stop blaming GU, put on that paper hat, and play your role in this life. SOMEBODY has to take my order, it might as well be you.

"Would you like fries with that?"

Keep saying it to yourself, and you should make managment in no time.

Ha! October 18, 2007 at 2:24 p.m.

Yes, I can only imagine the phone calls....

Hello, I am some guy wanting to attend your school/work for your company, but I won't be actually applying until I finish a 4 year degree. I just wanted to know.... will you hire me/accept me?

What a crock. I would laugh too.

Also, who attends ANY University with intention of transferring to another school? It's like dropping out is already part of the agenda. Make a plan, and stick to it. If the service sucks, bitch, but stay the course.

I too have felt the pangs of intransferrable credit, but it was from regional to regional. These problems you bring up have nothing to do with Grantham.

References October 18, 2007 at 11:56 p.m.

Web Sites for Distance Education
Distance Education & Training Council
detc.org
The national accrediting commission for educational institutions that offer post-secondary distance learning and home study non-degree and degree courses through the master's degree level.

Adult Education and Distance Learner's Resource Center
geteducated.com
They offer the Virtual University Gazette, a free email monthly that describes new academic and corporate distance learning programs and features on distance education.

Distance Education Clearinghouse
uwex.edu/disted/home.html
Distance education news plus more links.

Peterson's Education Center
petersons.com/distancelearning/
Use on-line databases to search for your ideal distance learning course; read articles on various distance learning topics.

United States Distance Learning Association
usdla.org

Wierd October 19, 2007 at 1:31 a.m.

The above taken from
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/busp...

Now, I thought the Federal Trade Commission is a legitimate source of data, but of course, you will refute that as well.

Funny, they don't plug any of the hate blogs as credible resources.... I wonder why?

MAYBE BECAUSE ONLY DROP-OUTS HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY.

Those that finish, move on to get jobs. I seem to be the only graduate that has picked up 2 promotions because of this BSEET... I guess I am the lucky 1 guy that Grantham delivered it's promises to.

OH wait, thats right... I WORKED MY ASS OFF to finish, and solicit the right company to accept it.

You will have so many people around you tell you that something cannot be done; why join in?

This will be my last post here, as the narcissistic fountains of negativity that reside here will never admit the truth: THEY DROPPED OUT UNDER THEIR OWN ACTIONS.

Drop dead, get bent, and go push a mop.

John October 22, 2007 at midnight

Not that is some funny stuff. After all that chest beating he outright admits to having to search for a company to accept his Grantham degree. He would have had no problem if he got his degree from a reputable University.

Another Grantham rejection October 26, 2007 at 6:27 p.m.

From: Sam
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:43 PM
To: Wendy Stewart
Subject: Transfer Credits

Mrs Stewart,

I was planning on taking some online classes with Grantham University over the next two months. Specifically, the computer science track specializing in Information Technology. My plan was to transfer to Miramar College for the spring semester. After reviewing some forums online about Grantham I think its incumbent upon me to see if Miramar College will accept credits from Grantham University.

Is there anyway you could tell me if Miramar College will accept Grantham University credits? The following accreditation of Grantham is provided.

Accreditation - Grantham is accredited by the Accrediting Commission of the Distance Education and Training Council (DETC). The Accrediting Commission of the Distance Education and Training Council is listed by the U.S. Department of Education as a nationally recognized accrediting agency.

Grantham University
www.grantham.edu
Founded 1951
Street Address:
7200 NW 86th Street, Suite M
Kansas City, Missouri 64153

Again, I would very much like to enroll in the spring semester but would like to transfer a few credits from Grantham University. If this will not be possible you would save me a lot of time and eventual frustration.

Thank you for your time.

Samuel

..................and the answer is..................

Hi Sam,
I forwarded your email to our Evaluations department as they are the ones who review incoming coursework to Miramar and this is the response they gave:

We would not accept coursework from Grantham University. The reason being that although they are accredited by DETC, we only accept coursework from schools that are accredited by a regional accrediting bodies i.e. WASC (Western Association of Schools and Colleges), MS (Middle States Association of Schools and Colleges), etc.

If you have any additional questions, please let me know.

Wendy Stewart

San Diego Miramar College

Transfer Center Director

Drew October 30, 2007 at 9:16 p.m.

I've only done two courses through Grantham so far. The other day I decided to do a little bit of research so I typed "Grantham reviews" on google and all the sudden I see ripoffreport.com as one of the first entries. I'm glad I came to my senses before signing up for more courses. I've looked around and so far, it looks like American Military University, and Liberty University will accept these credits. They both cost the same as Grantham but are regionally acredited, and military friendly. Good luck to all.

ex-employee November 20, 2007 at 4:49 a.m.

Sounds like nothing has changed and I started there years ago. It will not get better until management is changed.

soom to be ex-employee November 21, 2007 at 12:04 a.m.

Not all of the Admissions Reps are like "used car salesmen" I happen to care very much about my students.The reps that are like that unfortunately are the ones with the highest numbers because they got their enrollments by desperate means, they lose their payraise if they don't meet goal so some of them stoop to low levels so they don't get a paycut. Depends on if your one of the favorites to be handed leads and go to bases.There is no way to honest way to move up in the company.

d3c0y December 19, 2007 at 4:14 a.m.

I just read through all the postings... I still see now hard evidence for either side here. Not one person provided irrefutable proof (ie scanned documents or uploaded files) for or against this school. I put no faith in sites like this, for all we know the yeas and nays could all be 2 separate people in some sort of exuberant show, although highly unlikely but I see this did occur to some extent. The fact is I believe successful graduates wouldn't bother researching a topic like this or happen upon "forums" this these. Therefore they would not come across this highly questionable site. I honestly feel like I'm wasting my time reading this and now replying. Unfortunately this slander and these rebuttals will delay my enrollment to Grantham but will not rule them out. I guess you could say that all this junk here will ultimately make me a more informed individual.

I love this site! December 19, 2007 at 6:40 p.m.

This site is great. It gives me a say-whatever-I-want-and-get-away-with-it card. Whenever I am frustrated with my studies at CSUN, I can come here and bash this school, it's staff, and online education as a whole and suffer no reprocussions of any kind. 90% of the negative stuff I post is absolute garbage, and I can get the Jerry-Springer crowd to join in. I love it!

Hell, I don't even go to Grantham, but I just love getting you guys good and worked up. Keep on keeping me entertained!

Tired December 20, 2007 at 2:15 p.m.

Get the G_Damn ABET accredidation Grantham!! You have been lying about it for too long. So it takes some work and money, you are a business so improve your business.

Minyan December 31, 2007 at 4:14 a.m.

Why do you base the value of a school on the acceptance of its credits? I went to school to work, not the pipe dream of 5 years from now.

Anonymous December 31, 2007 at 8:26 p.m.

Or, the lies you keep attempting to spread have no validity, and your efforts to shame this university are in vain. All this lip service, and still no new complaints with the DETC, or the BBB.

Find another crusade, Jason.

What's the problem? December 31, 2007 at 10:01 p.m.

I ran across this article from military.com:

http://education.military.com/finding-a-...

Grantham meets the requirements they list (DANTES, DETC, SOC), so whats the big deal?

If you are in a position to go brick and mortar, do so. If not, go to an accredited school. A degree is a degree. The only thing my employers have ever asked is "is your degree accredited?"

If you have a beef, lawyer up, or go to the DETC, CHEA, or BBB and file a formal complaint. How hard is that?

With enough complaints, an accreditor will investigate, or pull. If you want to fight a battle, you really should use the right ammunition. This site has accomplished no more than wasting a lot of people's time.

Marty January 1, 2008 at 10:49 p.m.

I've never had a company ask me if my degree was accredited. They would simply ask me where I got my degree.

Don't worry though, I'm sure they would put your resume listing a Grantham degree in the same pile as someone else with a degree from a well known, reputable university. I mean, why would they not, right?

Experience January 3, 2008 at 12:51 a.m.

Yep, experience......one more thing you don't get at Grantham University.

Grantham University.....where the only thing "hands on" is the keyboard while you are taking open book tests.

Thanks for proving my point.

the new guy January 4, 2008 at 11:48 p.m.

I just heard about Grantham today. As someone planning on getting out of the military, and continuing my education... I was very excited to hear what they had to say. So, what I need is... to hear from someone who actually took/takes classes through Grantham (Preferrably someone from the Air Force) who can honestly tell me what they think. All I need to know is, can this degree really help me get a good job so I can support my family, and can I really use my CCAF degree towards a Bachelor's degree? Thanks!!

the new guy again January 5, 2008 at 9:02 p.m.

Thank you very much for taking the time to leave a response for me. As I said before, I just heard about Grantham yesterday, so I'm still exploring my options. But I feel extremely encouraged at how inexpensive and convienient this program seems at the moment. For the time being, I can't forsee any reason to go farther than a Bachelor's degree, and I can always utilize GU again if/when I do decide to go a step farther, so transferring credits isn't very high on the priority list. Honestly, I don't see a downside. So thanks again for your honest opinion. I will definitely keep your opinion in mind when I do decide how to get a degree.

Why? January 5, 2008 at 10:16 p.m.

Why does the top-rated online university on this site:

http://www.onlinedegreereviews.org/colle...

Share the exact same accreditation as Grantham, but not nearly the bad press that is found here?

The more I read on this blog, the more it really does sound like 2 or 3 "Hater's of the Year" posting over and over again. Can we please hear the opinion of someone else?

OK, please explain January 5, 2008 at 10:51 p.m.

Ok, now that we have established that your individual experience was negative, can you please provide more detail?

What was your degree of choice? How many classes did you take with grantham? What were they, or which specific instructors did not provide assistance? What led you to stop going? Did you try getting help from the student forums? Where are you now, since deciding to persue other options?

Thank you!

Thanks! January 6, 2008 at 12:56 a.m.

Thank you for the background, you have been very helpful.

I don't necessarily agree with everything you have stated, however.

"None of the schools I have spoken with would accept a Regional degree as a pre-req for their Masters program"

-I sincerely hope you meant National.

Your timeline places your enrollment with GU around 2003, am I correct? When did you graduate from your current school? Which school did you wind up settling in after getting "burned" at GU?

Also, I completely agree with you about the BSBA and ASBA programs at GU, UOP, and the like. GU started out as Grantham College of Engineering, and they have seriously forgotten where they came from in the persuit of the almighty dollar. I am sick and tired of every University cashing in on the cheap BSBA program; it has to be one of the easiest programs to get accredited by distance education, and the lowest overhead versus tuition revenue. I hope that any future readers seeking a BSBA or ASBA stick to regional programs (The same for BSCS, and BSCJ), as the whole field seems to be a massive money-grab. I personally would like to see the GU Business College get shut down, so they can focus their attention and staff back to the engineering students.

Again, thank you very much for the background. These posts, I believe, provide people the means to make a more informed decision, versus the "GU SUCKS!" or "GO GU" posts we see littered throughout. The only means for which people have to sort truth from fiction in an anonymous site is through ample detail.

not a grantham employee January 8, 2008 at 11:24 p.m.

PART I:

There are many regional to regional colleges that don't accept transfer credits today. As for the transfer of credits, this has become an old chestnut ("Are you still beating my dog?") of mine. The sine qua non of an institutions quality is not its credit transfer, hence your comments to DETC being a "lower level accreditation"--absurd. Seriously, no one is talking about Grantham but the majority of posts have been about its accreditation.

The real issue has nothing to do with academic quality and more to do with anti-competitive business practices of the receiving institutions (usually regional schools).
In the world of distance learning, it’s a fair statement to say that DETC accreditation is far more stringent and far more thorough than any other accrediting agency for evaluating a distance learning institution. Those CEOs whose online universities which enjoy both DETC and regional accreditation have repeatedly testified that DETC accreditation is the more stringent review.

Having said this, does it mean DETC accredited School Grantham is superior to MIT or Harvard or Penn State? Of course not!

CHEA has the HETA transfer agreement, whereas institutions, these members, don’t discriminate and will consider credits from nationally accredited schools. The list of schools increased to more than 300 and growing. DETC recently did a survey and found that graduates that attempted to transfer credits and degrees, 70% were very successful.

As to the real question "Is regional better than national?" I find to be the wrong question. Nothing makes them better. "Better" is a term that makes a judgment comparing one agency against another, and such a comparison really is impossible. Further, many people feel that the regional agencies accredit many as a house-hold name, famous institutions like Duke and Stanford, it automatically follows that this means the accreditation of these prestigious agencies is somehow "better" than the newcomer nationals.

??? January 9, 2008 at 3:01 a.m.

"DETC recently did a survey and found that graduates that attempted to transfer credits and degrees, 70% were very successful."

So for the same money, same program, same degree, go to a Regionally Accredited institution and get 100% acceptance.

Doubtful January 9, 2008 at 2:53 p.m.

I find that very hard to believe.

%%% January 10, 2008 at 5:13 p.m.

"DETC recently did a survey and found that graduates that attempted to transfer credits and degrees, 70% were very successful."

So for the same money, same program, same degree, go to a Regionally Accredited institution and get 100% acceptance."

There is no such thingg as 100%! This is not true, many regional to regional credits don't transfer. I have not seen hard concrete proof that states all regional to regional coleges transfer 100% credits. How would they make money?

Sorry, that fish doesn't bite!

True January 18, 2008 at 3:21 p.m.

"This is not true, many regional to regional credits don't transfer. I have not seen hard concrete proof that states all regional to regional coleges transfer 100% credits."

The ones that do not transfer are 1 of 2 reasons.

a) The credits don't match the curriculum of the new school, and can be applied to gen eds instead.

b) If you have too many credits to transfer in, you may have problems. Most will require 30+ credits in residence to graduate.

Maybe a better way to say it is that all Regional credits will be considered, but may not match up. Some National credits will be entirely discounted.

What a moron January 20, 2008 at 2:20 p.m.

In one of the reviews above, someone said:

"I've read comments about cheating. Cheating is going to and does happen at any college you attend. Is is easy at Grantham-No! The tests are taken online and Granthams policy is you're not allowed to use text, notes, etc."

Yep, because the Grantham police watch you when you are online.....and they KNOW when you are cheating. Please, they allow cheating by not checking up to make sure proctors are even real people. Anyone can make up an e-mail address and sign a name and Grantham will sent the test right over. As was said above, it's all about the money there. They could case less about your education.

Some employers know this already. The rest are learning....slowly.

reply: moron January 23, 2008 at 10:57 p.m.

This is in response to the individual that posted comments "what a moron"

I like researching and this is what I found in the student handbook. See excerpt below.

"Acceptable proctors include schoolteachers and
principals, librarians, clergy members, education officers in the military, or an education or human resources officer at the student’s workplace."

It doesn't mention anything about sending it to yourself or another email. That sounds absurd! Sorry, I must agree with the moron because I don't see any of the proctors listed above as person's that condone cheating.

My opinion is at any college you attend cheating is going to happen. However; what I have seen Grantham is taking steps to prevent it. taht deserves kudos! It appears the college is doing everything it can to prevent this type of student behavior.

Sorry, your post has no strong facts to prove your point..

this is my two cents!

Harvard February 3, 2008 at 4:55 a.m.

I love this school.. I am lazy, dont like to do much, and love easy grade, the way I see it, If I am not studying to be a doctor, I just need a piece of paper, what better way to do it then Grantham. Amen.

mickie February 8, 2008 at 8:05 p.m.

I'm always having trouble getting what I need from this school. They sure enough call when they want your money though. Do a lot of checking around before enrolling.

Another Grad February 18, 2008 at 7:44 p.m.

Greetings,

I am a AS EET Graduate from Grantham University, and I have 3 more assignments in 1 class to finish my BS EET. I am considering a second BS in Computer Science from Grantham as a result of my positive experiences.

I concur with the above post, and have nothing but a high opinion of anyone who completes a degree online.

I recently served as a guide and mentor to a collegue whom is considering a BS in CS via distance education. He asked of all the universities available, and if there was one program I would recommend. I told him of AIU, Fort Hayes, and all of the other programs available, and in the end he settled in on GU.

The worst offenders of high-pressure sales (from his recent experience) was Univerisity of Phoenix (5 calls per day) and American Intercontinental University (4 calls per day). At no one point did he say he felt pressured from the SPR at Grantham, and of all the universities he contacted, Grantham was the most informative as to what his options are and how to proceed, without signing up. I was especially surprised to hear this, as one of the primary complaints toward GU is their "used car salesmen" techniques.

On a side note, I am especially pleased to see the author of this site add an IP log to this blog. Good going, keep up the good work.

They invented post-its March 9, 2008 at 4:35 a.m.

I used to work for this school. It was interesting to find that they were very interested in that military dough. As a matter of fact, most other students didn't even matter. There were people there who knew more about what money was avilable to military personnel than some of the military personnel did. I remember asking one of the "sales managers" if the students experience was the most important thing. He said no, it's their status so we know they can pay. I guess it is a business though. It's a shame people have to check up on education too just like everything else they purchase. What you are taught in school is supposed to help you feed your family. Not slam you. All the car salesmen terms flying around were a little strange. So many of these people had sold cars! Anyway, with all the turmoil, I wouldnt go to school there. Eventually I was asked to leave as I hadn't sold enough cars, I mean enrolled enough students. When I think of that place, I keep hearing the word rape. Also, I only witnessed sexual harassment once so I can't say that it's rampant.

more research from another accredited body... March 10, 2008 at 11:31 p.m.

Here's another quote from research I found.

"Does accreditation guarantee that credits and degrees can be transferred to another institution?

No. Transferability of credits and degrees is a matter determined by the institution receiving the credits. Transferability depends on several factors. Among them are: the institution at which credits or degrees were earned, how well the credits offered for transfer mesh with the curriculum offered by the institution to which the student wishes to transfer, and how well the student did in the courses. Accreditation speaks only to the first of these factors and, therefore, cannot by itself guarantee transfer of credits; however, many institutions choose to accept transfer credits only from accredited institutions so that transfer of credits from an unaccredited institution may be excluded. Some institutions have specific agreements with other institutions guaranteeing transfer of credits. Anyone planning to transfer credits should, at the earliest opportunity, consult the receiving institution about the transfer before taking the courses for transfer, if possible. For additional information, see Commission Policy 2.5 Policy on Transfer and Award of Academic Credit.

...Accredited Institutions. Accreditation speaks primarily to the first of these considerations, serving as the basic indicator that an institution meets certain minimum standards. Users of accreditation are urged to give careful attention to the accreditation conferred by accrediting bodies recognized by the Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA). CHEA has a formal process of recognition which requires that any accrediting body so recognized must meet the same standards. Under these standards CHEA has recognized a number of accrediting bodies, including:
1. Regional accrediting institutions.
2. Certain national accrediting bodies that accredit various kinds of specialized institutions.
...

You can read all about it and more here:
http://www.nwccu.org/Search/search.htm?s...

As you can read, The Northwest Commission on Colleges and Universities (NWCCU) will accept credits from a national accredited body along with the North Central Association
Commission on Accreditation and School Improvement (NCA).

That's two of the six that accepts transfer credits from national accredited colleges. Please do your research before you post ignorant comments that regional is better when it’s honestly a different form of accreditation based on a specific region. National is nationwide accreditation.

Again, please do your research before you postfiction on here.

Job March 13, 2008 at 10:14 a.m.

Grantham is a wonderful university. It is DECT accredited which is NATIONAL accreditation. That is better than anything out there. It is NATIONALLY accredited by the DOE. DUH! I didn't have any problem transferring my credits to an AACSB university. All of you are just a bunch a slackers who couldn't hack it. I really feel sorry for all you tards that apply for government jobs without checking the applications first. If you want a government job then get a regional degree. I didn't have any problems getting a job with a FORTUNE 500!! If you want a cutting edge business degree then go to GU!

reply to fiction March 14, 2008 at 11:06 p.m.

Fiction?,

What I have stated is factual research. Its not propaganda but your pretty good at laying it on "thick". I have done the research and posted it for all to see the "TRUTH". You and others that bash Grantham are merely propagandists. you use your lies to bolster regional accreditation when it clearly states regional & national accreditation is two differeent types of accreditation. Show us where it states that regional is better than national--please prove your point instead of ignorantly posting fictional opinions.

FACTS are what matters not your opinions! The folks here must have the true facts in order to make the best judgement on his or her education choices.

Sorry fiction? but your facts have been BUSTED; it does not appear to me that Grantham is as bad a school as you made tried to make us all believe. Devil's advocate--I'm sure it has its good and bad points--that's every college! The TRUTH is what I've posted and you can read it for yourself.

Don't Bother March 16, 2008 at 8:30 a.m.

"Ready the e-mails" along with numerous (if not most) posts will waste his, and more tragically, your time in debate. If you are currently in study, do not waste your time here. This is a pointless discussion, with fruitless results.

Get the name right! March 18, 2008 at 12:39 a.m.

DETC

Distance
Education
Training
Council

prospective student March 18, 2008 at 6:36 p.m.

Ive read nearly every post on this forum and it appears to me that for all the bashing of GU there have been no real alteratives offered. Its been said that if your looking forward to getting your masters then this may not be the school for you, so seek regionally accreditated school. For all my research online i've found hundreds of regionally credited school in computer science or business administration. But it seems that there is a real lack of any distance learning BSEE programs, nationally or regionally credited. It seems that the major you select has a real affect on whether your degree from GU is accepted by prospective employers. If your going for a BSIT or MBA there are much better alternatives than GU but for a BSEE there just are not many options online.

Btw any refrences to a regionally accreditied entirely online BSEE program would be appreciated.

Funny, huh March 19, 2008 at 12:45 a.m.

I find it funny that someone will post a "grantham is great" post and then a few minutes later, someone else will post a "I agree with your statement" post. Same person? I think?

Job March 20, 2008 at 6:08 a.m.

Go to Grantham! DETC is just a good as regional if not better. It is the accreditation for all future online programs which traditional schools are offering in boat loads. GU has been around almost 60 years and are leaders in higher education. You get out of it what you put into it. If you are too lazy then please do not garnish the e-halls of GU. We do not want you if you think you are going to get an easy ride. The support is excellent as they respond almost immediately with any queries you might have. The instructors leave great feedback which helps you better your work. This is not like a BS online program like UOP, these tests are proctored so you can't cheat. GU is the real deal!!

Fact check on isle 3 March 20, 2008 at 5:51 p.m.

"It is the accreditation for all future online programs which traditional schools are offering in boat loads."

It is the past accreditation for correspondence programs, mostly vocational. Regionals need to broaden their scope to cover more distance ed programs, given the feverish pace of technological development and the obvious need for distance delivery methods.

"The support is excellent as they respond almost immediately with any queries you might have. The instructors leave great feedback which helps you better your work."

Hit and miss at best. I have had good SPRs that hold true to your statement, but I have also had really bad ones that I had to fire. Instructor support is great, provided that you are dealing with Dr. Nancy Miller, Dexter Malley, Michael Cruz, or David Monahan. These instructors have apparently written the majority of the GU coursework, and are extremely competent and eager to help.

But then there are the bad ones; I will not name them here, but there are quite a few. Over 1 week to answer questions (I am being generous), with little to no resolution without higher staff intervention; retaliation grades (which is unprofessional, but occurs anywhere).

Overall, the asychronous model appears to be based on student participation and independent study (duh), with little to no intervention from the instructors. I am OK with the concept, but some topics (Signals & Systems, Calc II, Control Systems) just didn't click as fast as I think they could have with some additional lecture.

tic tac March 21, 2008 at 7:46 a.m.

Jack... you are wrong about DETC.

Read it and educate yourself.

http://distancelearn.about.com/od/accred...

Online EE March 21, 2008 at 6:34 p.m.

http://le.suny.edu/bee/courses.shtml

Good luck!

tic tac March 22, 2008 at 5:25 a.m.

Wrong thread EE... this is Grantham which is a far cry from SUNY.

DETC is real, but sub-optimal March 22, 2008 at 1:40 p.m.

http://distancelearn.about.com/od/accred...

The Bad – Trouble Transferring

"The biggest problem with DETC accreditation is that regionally accredited schools don't view it as their equal. While credits from regionally accredited schools may transfer to other regionally accredited schools easily, credits from DETC accredited schools are often looked upon with suspicion. Even some schools with DETC accreditation view transcripts from regionally accredited schools as superior. "

piggy back off that March 22, 2008 at 4:09 p.m.

I saw on about.com how trye is this...

"Is online education as effective as classroom study?
60% of online students graduate and receive degrees. In tests of cognitive achievement, online students perform as well as or better than students enrolled in traditional classroom programs."

In todays society,I have attended oth B&M and online and I must agree with this statement.

tic tac March 23, 2008 at 2:58 p.m.

@piggy back off that...

I found your article about onine education... read the very bottom mate.

http://phoenix.about.com/cs/education/a/...

"Information and answers to questions provided by University of Phoenix Online"

ROFLMAO!!!

Thats good! March 23, 2008 at 4:46 p.m.

UOP providing answers, that is hilarious!

Have you guys noticed the UOP logo and google ads that have appeared on this page? What gives? Is the owner taking UOP blood-money now?

Can the site remain unbiased when receiving ad monies from institutions that it swears to deliver information on, good or bad?

We shall see.

tic tac March 26, 2008 at 11:29 a.m.

How am I busted? I'm not allowed to go to other forums? Yes sir you must be right! Hahaha

I went to CSU which also has DETC so I am uniquely qualified to comment on it.

Griffith Letter March 27, 2008 at 1:32 a.m.

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION
OFFICE OF POSTSECONDARY EDUCATION
August 30,2007
To Whom It May Concern:
I have been asked by Mr. Michael P. Lambert, Executive Director of the Accrediting Commission of the Distance Education and Training Council (DETC), to write a letter
explaining the recognition the U.S. Secretary of Education has granted DETC.

DETC is currently listed by the U.S. Secretary of Education as a nationally recognized accrediting agency. DETC has held that status continuously since 1959, just seven
years after the then U.S. Commissioner of Education began to fulfill a statutory requirement to periodically publish a list of nationally recognized accrediting agencies
that the Commissioner/Secretary determines to be reliable authorities regarding the quality of the education or training provided by the institutions and/or programs they
accredit. The current scope of the Secretary's recognition of DETC is the accreditation of postsecondary institutions in the United States that offer degree programs
primarily by the distance education method up to and including the professional doctoral degree.

In order to be recognized by the Secretary, an accrediting agency must demonstrate to the Secretary's satisfaction that it meets the Criteria for Recognition, which are stated in Federal regulation. The Criteria do not differentiate between types of accrediting agencies, so the recognition granted to all types of accrediting agencies-regional, institutional, specialized, and programmatic-is identical. Only the specific scope of
recognition varies according to the type of agency recognized.

If you wish further information about the scope of DETC's recognition by the Secretary, the accrediting agency recognition process, or the Secretary's Criteria for Recognition please feel free to contact me.

Carol A. Griffiths
Accrediting Agency Evaluation Unit
Accreditation and State Liaison

1990 K STREET, N.W., WASHINGTON, D.C. 20006
www.ed.gov

LOL, hopeless March 27, 2008 at 3:22 a.m.

Whatever. Your word, or the Secretary of Education... hmmm. That's a tough one!

I am starting to think the DETC is only looked down upon by you, and the other haters here. My employer has no problem with it. The VA has no problem with it. The Sec Ed has no problem with it. Therefore, I have no problem with it.

Why? I already got my promotion March 27, 2008 at 4:06 a.m.

Why the hell would I waste time and money on a RA degree (when I don't have either) when I can take a NA degree and get promoted for less cost, and relatively less time (no commute, that is a HUGE consideration). I can hang with what I have learned (classes, experience), and once I put 5 or so years experience under my belt the paper will receive little weight when applying for a new job.

Your educational snobbery just doesn't apply to the average guy. They have families. They cannot work, commute, live, and go to a remote campus.

The DETC has provided a legit accreditation for working people to advance in their careers. What else have we got if not this?

If you do not have a family, a job, or a life, then by all means.... GO TO A REGIONAL SCHOOL AND STOP THE BLOGGING!!!

tic tac March 27, 2008 at 9:28 a.m.

It looks like I have an admirer/imposter... you wish you could be me apparently. lol

James March 27, 2008 at 6:48 p.m.

Good link to some useful information concerning accreditation.

http://www.elearners.com/guide-to-online...

Catching Liars in the Act March 29, 2008 at 6:16 p.m.

To the person posting as Student: March 17, 2007 at 7:53 p.m.

You are LYING. You stated that you are in the military and work with civilian contractors and you spoke to a GS-15 about Grantham University. A GS-15 is not a civilian contractor. Any GS employee is a federal employee that works for the federal goverenment and they are not contractors. I know this because I am a federal government GS employee. So stop lying and putting government employees in the middle of your bogus Grantham degree. Here is what I will tell all of you. I am a government employee that works as a tech rep along side military personnel. There is one military individual that works in my division that is taking classes at Grantham. Almost daily this individual tells me how many problems that he has had with this school. I have even seen some of the course material that he has from Grantham and I must admit that it is bogus. Their course cirriculum will never meet Regional Accreditation status. He showed me a report that he had written that he recieved a grade of an A on. I was shocked. Grantham had the format prepaired for him and all he had to do was type. Totally bogus! When I was in college I remember writing 10 to 15 page papers and reports that had to be formated using APA or MLA formatting. The sad thing is that even though he knows that this school is bogus, he trys to encourage other military members to enroll. Im not disgrediting online education because I completed my degree online with a REGIONALLY ACCREDDITED university. Grantham University is Nationally Accredited and believe me, Regional Accreditation is a higher standard. I have seen the cirriculum from Grantham and believe me, the National Accreditation shows very clearly. If you are going to get your degree online or through distance education at least go to a Regionally Accredited university, which Grantham is not.

@Liars March 30, 2008 at 12:29 a.m.

Sir,

I think that is what he meant by it. I too work w/ a GS9 and I too attend Grantham. I can testify we are required to use APA style in writing papers. Yes, in my masters program that all we did was write pages of papers and I had teachers that were easy and many that were tough.

My wife goes to a B&M, RA, and is not an online person. She doesn't want to comprehend the materiel, in my opinion, she likes to be spoon feed as many B&Ms do to students. Its all about experience and a college degree helps get you foot in the door. I have been checking out USAJOBS.com and the government will take either RA or National accredited degrees to include Grantham.

My boss went to a B&M school and consistently I am showing him up as the subject mater expert. It’s a shame as he claims to be an engineer but knows nothing about today’s technological advancements. I'll put my Grantham degree up against anyone who thinks they know computers/electronics...I can run with the heavy hitters--even with my degree from Grantham.

I bet your coworker has not even tried to contact Grantham about his problems. You see many like to complain especially on the Grantham forums but do nothing to try to resolve complaints. Myself, I am very outspoken and I had no problems while attending the university. I am checking into taking the CCE exam for engineers this fall.

Honestly, RA and national are not too different based on my research. RA is based on regions and national is across the US. I can provide it too. I challenge anyone from a RA university to take all 90 of my RA credits from a RA college in IL. If RA is so much better and accepts credits from other RA schools with ease please take me on--prove me wrong!

I bet I get no-one from a RA school that will accept all 90 credits for an EE or EET degree. Why? Colleges have to make money too. I am sorry but RA is not better.

Unbelievable March 30, 2008 at 11:17 a.m.

Most GS employees are idiots. I work with them too. Why do you think they have to hire the Lockheeds, the Raytheons and Boeings to get any decent engineers or projects done. If you want to push paper and pretend your hot sh__t then work for the government. Last time I checked the pay is low and the pensions from back in the old days are gone. I know for a fact the big 3 D-contractors are still promoting Grantham grads. You guys make me laugh.

Catching Liars in the Act March 30, 2008 at 5:50 p.m.

Catching Liars in the Act,
Bottom Line, Grantham is not Regionally Accreditted. As far as contractors go. Lockheed,Raytheaon, Boeing, L3 Vertex, require engineering degrees from Regionally Accreditterd Universities that are accredited by (ABET),which Grantham lacks. As far as government pay, your an idiot if you think that we are poorly paid, As far as retirement; good pension, and TSP that is matched. Bottom line is Grantham is a scam. I don't know why you Granthamers don't want to concieve to the fact that the degree is not what you thought. The university I have my degree from does not have one complaint on Websites such as this. That is because they are a traditional(REAL) university. Why would you sign up with a school like Grantham when you can go to many of the traditional universities that offer distance education? I will tell you why, because traditional universities will not just take anybody and Grantham will. How do you think that I found this Website? It was the poor Granthamers that work under me that showed it to me. Their is a reason that people on this site are complaining about Grantham. As for the guy a couple of post up challenging anyone on his knowledge of computers, I have seen plenty of people who think they know computers but when you start talking to them about software engineering or computer engineering,or the mathematics used behind Cryptograhic algorithms such as Quadratic Sieve Factoring or Gaussian Elimination equations, you know, the typical mathematics and science behind computers; things they dont teach at Grantham, then you find they know zilch. Speaking of Math, I have personally seen Grantham goers taking pre-calculus exams and sitting their using software programs to factor the equations for them. That is a total joke. This kind of crap would not happen at a traditional university even if you are taking an online program because the proctoring is monitored. Since you mentioned contractors, I happen to know a few site managers for some Raytheon, L3Vertex Aerospace, and Lockheed contracts. I am going to give them a call to see just how many Granthamers are employed with them. In the mean time, you should consider going to a traditional university that is Regionally Accredited and has ABET Accreditation for their engineering programs. Their are plenty of them that offer distance education that will be respected and valued. Enough said!

Grantham SAT requirements March 30, 2008 at 8:25 p.m.

Folks,

I did some research and found that Grantham does have SAT requirements. see below:
A home school student who wishes to enroll at Grantham University may apply for admission as a non-degree seeking student and may enroll in no more than four (4) credit hours (undergraduate coursework) per enrollment period. Exceptions may be granted by the Provost for students wishing to enroll in more than four (4) credit hours. The prospective student must also have demonstrated one of the following:

ACT with a minimum average selection index of 18
SAT with a minimum average selection index of 440 Math and 440 English
PSAT with a minimum average selection index of 147
Demonstration of successful completion (grade "C" or higher) of college coursework in which college credit was earned
Provide state verification of minimum 11th grade level competency
Any applicant who is beyond the age of compulsory school attendance and has not completed secondary school through home schooling must meet one of the above criteria to establish eligibility to benefit from instruction at Grantham University. No student below the compulsory age of attendance (17) will be permitted to enroll until it is determined that enrollment won't be detrimental to the student's success. For persons not meeting the requirements for enrollment, a record will be made showing the reasons for acceptance. All exceptions to the above guidelines will be based on review and approval of the record by the University Provost. Students must attain high school diploma or equivalent before being allowed to enroll into a degree program.

I wish folks would do research before they make claims that Grantham doesn't do this or does do that...present only true facts people.

@Grantham is easy....that's why March 30, 2008 at 8:47 p.m.

Bull s**t. Half of the griping around here is from "students" who couldn't do the work.

I personally have failed exams, and I went on bashing crusades as well. Then I realized I just didn't study and prepare enough, and I managed to pass.

Grantham has a 30% retention and graduation rate, period. If it were even close to the case you present, it would be much higher, and there would be no griping here. There have been no lawsuits, complaints with the BBB or DETC, or Federal Investigations. University of Pheonix cannot claim this, and they have the largest online student base in the nation.

If the author of this site were to include anonymous reviews for the brick and mortar schools, you would find the same Jerry-Springer garbage that is littered across EVERY online review.

Also, the "regionally accredited" nugget on the job postings is supervisor specific. I have found listings that specifically list ABET, I am not challenging that fact. However, had I the time to attend a B&M, that is RA and ABET, I would have (and, I may still, after my kids grow up). Between 40+ hours a week, raising 2 kids, and acting as a sole-breadwinner, I just couldn't give up more time in commuting or classwork (lectures). Grantham provided a means to learn, and try to get more competitive in my current title. Even with 6 years of systems engineering experience, I could not hold the title without some form of Bachelors of Science. Now I can.

And, for the record, I have met MORE than my fair share of airheads with RA degrees from great schools. They come in with a chip on both shoulders, and ultimately accomplish nothing. Most of them hold out for that cherry Government job to open up, and park until retirement. In my opinion, more power to them. In the meantime, work still has to get done, and the rest of us have to pick up the slack.

LOL, strike a nerve? March 30, 2008 at 8:58 p.m.

Aww.... did poor little Govt Doosh get his feelings hurt? I am sorry.

I sincerely hope the next administration thins the turds a bit in your ranks. Let us see if your retirement follows the pink-slip.

Spell check on isle 4 March 30, 2008 at 9:12 p.m.

@Catching

prepaired
formated
disgrediting
ACCREDDITED
babel
accreditterd
concieve
their (wrong form)
obviousely

Where did you go to school?

Catching Liars in the Act March 30, 2008 at 9:29 p.m.

To LOL, strike a nerve?
Well I guess we will just sit back and see what happens when the next administration comes in. Thinning out highly unlikely. But in the event of such actions, I will have no problem finding a high level job with my degree from a Regionally Accredited, traditional(Real) university. The only person who's nerve was struck was yours when you read all of this information on your worthless degree from Grantham. What you need to do is stop wasting your time reading this because the word is out that this school is worthless. Spend more time trying to find a Regionally Accredited university to enroll in. Or are you affraid that a real university will be too hard for you to get into. Let me know if you want to know more. For that matter, all of what you have read on this site about your university being a paper mill should be enough.

30% retention/graduation rate March 30, 2008 at 10:19 p.m.

That's pretty freaking sad if you ask me. That just goes to show that people are either:

A: learning that Grantham is a waste of time or,

B: are sick of getting the Grantham run-a-round and are leaving.

It does not say that Grantham is a tough school.

Oh, and I use to work for Grantham several years ago and while they may SAY that they have enrollment requirements, in reality, the only requirement is payment. Thank you, but try again.

@nope March 31, 2008 at 11:39 a.m.

I couldn't have said it better myself.
And that too is all I'm going to say

Job March 31, 2008 at 11:42 p.m.

That's a lie... DETC transfers two thirds of the time according to their own study. It might not transfer to Harvard but it will into 3rd tier schools.

proof was already posted April 1, 2008 at 3:26 a.m.

Anytime that anyone has posted on this board that "so and so will accept Grantham credits", an e-mail has been sent to that school and without fail, every one has said that they WILL NOT accept Grantham credits. That is a far cry from 2/3. Oh, and Job....."DETC transfers two thirds of the time according to their own study"? According to THEIR OWN STUDY!?!?!? Yeah, I'm sure that's not biased. Jeez.

USMC OCS April 1, 2008 at 4:28 a.m.

http://officer.marines.com/page/Officer-...

"Does it matter what college I attended?
The program is available to students or graduates from any accredited four-year college or university. "

Called them up, Grantham is a go.

Go elsewhere April 1, 2008 at 5:07 a.m.

Whatever your major is, there is an online program from a regionally accredited school, for the same price or lower, without the myriad of problems that Grantham has.

To Proof April 1, 2008 at 8:33 a.m.

You sir, are a liar. That is why the names of the contact people at that school were left in the e-mail, so anyone could call or e-mail and get the same information. I stand by what was posted because I am the one who e-mailed every single school that was quoted as taking Grantham credits and each one verified that they would not.

So, what position do you hold at Grantham?

List of successful transfer schools April 1, 2008 at 2:23 p.m.

Here is the short list of schools Grantham students have successfully transferred to, mostly for acceptance into master's programs:

Kaplan
University of Southern California
Fontbonne
California Polytechnic
Harvard (Special circumstance, high GMAT and career got him in)
William Howard Taft University
Nova Southeast University of Phoenix
American Intercontinental Online
Touro College
Capella University
Argosy University
Strayer University
Jones International
Colorado Technical University
Western Governor's University (is NA and RA)
MIT (Sloan school of management, SDM)
Louisiana Tech
Kansas State
Southeastern Louisiana U
Cleveland State U
City University (Wash.)
Liberty University (Va.)
Bellevue University (Neb.)
Salve Regina University (RI)

I am sure there are many, many more; these are the schools my fellow alumni have had success with. The long list can be found here:
http://www.geocities.com/elsupremo1two3/...
Many thanks to "Virus" for researching these.

I looked into moving on to CSUN, but California public schools will not accept a NA degree, but the private schools will.

If you have a school in mind, these are the men to speak with:
Michael P. Lambert, Executive Director
1601 Eighteenth Street NW
Washington, DC 20009-2529
Phone: 202-234-5100
Fax: 202-332-1386
Email: detc@detc.org
Web: www.detc.org

Gary R. Sutter, Ph.D.
Provost
Grantham University
e-mail: sutterg@grantham.edu
(w) 800-955-2527 Ext. 252

Mr. Lambert has been instrumental, along with Dr. Sutter, in getting students accepted into many institutions. Before you enroll, make absolutely sure the school you intend on transferring to will accept the credits.

And, for the last time (psycho), I do not work for Grantham. I am an alumni, and satisfied customer.

You really have to come up with some new ammunition.

at it again April 1, 2008 at 11:46 p.m.

Boy Oh Boy! The Grantham spin doctors are at it again. Just take a look at that list of schools. You have got to be kidding me. I guess the emails that were sent to the reputable schools just did not cut it. First off, why should you have to go thruogh the trouble of getting someone from detc.org to represent on your behalf just to get a reputable institution to accept your Grantham credits? How rediculous! That really says alot about Grantham University.

Sam April 1, 2008 at 11:56 p.m.

I feel I've been fortunant to have found Grantham University. I've never been to college (except for USMC "university", but that's another story), so I can't compare GU to a "brick & mortar".

I will be completed with Semester 4 in about the next couple months. The BSEET degree has guaranteed a promotion to me at my job.

I'm 43 years old with 3 daughters and a wife and a 40+ hour a week job and no way could I go to a B&M school. Even if I had the time for a B&M school, I appreciate more the ability to go at my own pace with GU.

Maybe I have been luckier than most, but the SAs and Instructors (except for a couple) assigned to me, have been superior.

I am no way trying to diminish the importance of other's troubles that have been posted on the board, but I feel GU has been the best way to obtain a home-study degree. Furthermore, I have learned a lot more in mathematics, electronics, chemistry and the other courses offered in my curriculum.

I've had to get some issues resolved and each time it was resolved to my satisfaction. I just think the way it's "gone about it" determines the end result. I always say, "You get more flies with honey than with c.rap."

As far as accredidation; it fits fine with my life's situation. I would highly recommend Grantham University to another.

at it again April 2, 2008 at 12:10 a.m.

The last two post are evidence that the spinsters at Grantham are watching and instantly try to post a rebutall. I wonder how much pay the average Grams spinster makes hanging around eyeballing this site.

The spin Dr.s April 2, 2008 at 12:34 a.m.

Grantham actually has computers in it's break room for employees to post rebuttals to places like this and ropoffreport.com and others. They check it all the time. It's funny to watch. Most employees don't believe the hype, they just need the numbers or DeAnn will fire them.

A vet April 2, 2008 at 5:36 p.m.

@ Spin Dr.

Sir,

Don’t you have better things to do then post ridiculous gossip? You still have no concrete proof other than you own words...others on here HAVE NOT proven any points that regional is better than national. I hope you’re not referring to the 2 year college that posted they don’t accept regional—it is posted on the website. My question is this… Why would you want to transfer to a 2 year community college for?

Also, I’m sorry but regional to regional don’t always transfer credits either. I’ll bet you my paycheck that if emailed they wouldn’t accept my 49 credits from Florida State (its regional). I wish you folks would either prove your point or move on; you wasting up bandwidth here on your childish nonsense.

Also, when you post fiction here it degrades the primary use intended for this website and you’re degrading out military members who attend the university. I will stop you here when I say I am NO way an employee of Grantham or “spinster” as you’ve pointed out others in here.

What do you think you're doing? You should stop and think that Grantham has to be a good school or why else is it supported at the DoD and dept of Ed levels.

You should be supporting our troops and the fact that they decided to go back to college (yes, grantham too) if not you're degrading them and its very unpatriotic of you, sir.

Thank you.

to a vet.....from a vet April 3, 2008 at 12:17 a.m.

First, it is not fiction. MANY e-mails have been posted here by various schools saying that they will not accept Grantham credits. That is nothing new. I do not think that Grantham is a good school.

Being a former employee and a former student I can tell you first hand what they really think of active military. They are a meal card, nothing more. Get as many active military to send in TA as you can. Oh, and ignore the Vets because the VA will only pay half time and most will not enroll when they find that out. Vets are more trouble that active students with TA.

Being a former student I can tell you that EVERY SINGLE school that I have approached asking about my Grantham credits have denied EVERY SINGLE credit I had earned there. I had some community college (RA) courses that I had taken over 15 years ago that they did accept. What does that tell you?

Being a Vet myself, I would like to see other Vets and active duty guys get the most out of their HARD EARNED TA and GI Bill benefits. There are a lot of good RA schools out there that will treat you with the respect and honor that you deserve. Grantham is not one of those schools.

And another thing.... April 3, 2008 at 1:11 a.m.

QUOTE: "regionally accredited do not have the same garbage posted about them"

The blogosphere is still young, give it time. I have found sites for my old college (HPU) with some of the same garbage.

Check out any university on this site and you will find the same niche posting negativity here.

This is why no one hands a megaphone to the retard in the crowd. The legitimate claims get drowned out in the static. What a shame!

"I dropped out of college... YAY"

know you April 3, 2008 at 1:29 a.m.

@ A vet
Your quote "I wish you folks would either prove your point or move on; you wasting up bandwidth here on your childish nonsense".

Don't worry about bandwith because networks are engineered by real network engineers that graduated from regionally accredited universities which teach the proper mathematics to figure bandwith and latency solutions for networks. If you were really affiliated with FSU as you claim you would know that. Your either a Grantham student or graduate.

The Challenge April 3, 2008 at 1:53 a.m.

Please post one legitimate regional university that will accept Grantham's credits or Bachelors. I will gladly send that institution an email and see what the response is. Why do I get the feeling that the answer will be no. I know why! because it has been done before and the rejection emails have already been posted as proof that real universities know the Grantham scam.

Network water-head April 3, 2008 at 4:23 a.m.

"teach the proper mathematics to figure bandwith and latency solutions for networks"

Idiot. This is why blogs are so easy to set up. Only space is a factor, not bandwidth, or any of the buzzwords you threw out there to try and sound smart.

So far we have occupied only 453,120 bytes of this guy's web server. That is a drop in the bucket for 18 months of (very) active blogging. Ah, the wonder of cheap storage.

In reality April 3, 2008 at 5:18 a.m.

The 50/50 rule expired a short time ago. You will see many online universities applying, and gaining RA. "Non Respected" by you, sure (I think you have made that clear), but respect is defined by the individual presenting themselves. If you know your stuff, and kill them at the interview, the education is only validation of that fact.

If you are entry-level, do not go to Grantham. I cannot stress that enough. Let me repeat it: IF YOU ARE ENTRY LEVEL, DO NOT GO TO GRANTHAM!

If you have experience in the field, be it in field engineering, or are a technician looking to move up, Grantham is a perfect opportunity to do so. I can only speak of the BSEET, but the courses offered were genuine, challenging (if not just cruel), and completely relevant in every way to electronics and computer programming. I would not able to do the things that I do at work if I didn't have the Grantham foundation to build on. These principles took me out of electronics maintenance, put me in field engineering (AAS), and carved a spot for me in engineering (BSEET).

But, then again, I read a lot of other books too. I will concede the point that the Grantham curriculum only accounts for about 1/2 of the crap I have packed in my head. I am continually learning through whatever means available, and that comes out in the interview as well.

The Technical Director for our organization himself stated:

"A undergrad is a undergrad. All it shows is an ability for problem-solving. It is up to the person to move from there."

If you want a degree that will set you up for life, fire off that application to Yale, Harvard, or wherever. I think if you had the scores to get in, you would not be wasting your time here.

know you April 3, 2008 at 6:02 a.m.

@ In reality
Actually I'm just sitting in my dorm room here in College Station. My parents took my American Express away so that I could not have any spring break fun so I thought it would be cool to blog a little. Your school still sucks though according to what I have been reading. Hopefully when I graduate I will have Grantham grads as competition when interviewing for jobs. Why are you onliners so frustrated with us real university goers? Oh well, see ya next year.

Patriot card is lame April 3, 2008 at 4:57 p.m.

"Pretty insulting huh? Pretty crappy way to treat the people that you SAY you are trying to help and are out their risking their life. If you want to put money in their pockets, go right ahead, just expect to be trated like that every step of the way."

Nice try. I have overseen the research, and enrollment of a coworker into GU's Computer Science program. I pleaded with him to explore all of the alternative schools listed here, and explained the shortfalls of the DETC acreditation to him in great detail. After all was said and done, he enrolled at GU anyway. Perhaps it is merely because he witnessed my promotion as a result of the GU BSEET, it is a known quantity to him.

At no one point was he made uncomfortable, or felt any pressure to enroll. He was pressured, however, by AIU and UOP on a daily basis.

I have been keeping a close eye on his studeies, mainly to get a feel for any confirmation of the tactics mentioned here. So far he has no complaints, and his SPR and intructors have been very helpful.

The emotional appeal you have presented is lame, and downright pathetic. I don't think a RA can set up shop in Baghdad or Basra, bub.

@ Patriot card is lame April 4, 2008 at 12:56 a.m.

Funny that you pleaded with him to explore other schools after you went there yourself. That says a lot.

More name calling April 4, 2008 at 2:08 a.m.

Yep, more name calling from Grantham employees.

I find it funny that you, and people like you, are quick to say that the e-mails posted are "fakes". I figured you would, that is why the contact information was posted with them for all to see. I really do not care if you believe them or not. They were not posted for you, they were posted for others that were looking into this sham of a school. I'm sure that many potential students have read them and, hopefully, most contacted the other schools to verify the information. See, unlike you, I don't expect people to blindly follow the information that I post. I actually WANT them to follow up and find out for themselves. I encourage them to contact the other schools and ask the questions. I want them to contact potential employers and see what they think of this school. The more potential students that read these posts, the more potential students will be able to make informed decisions about their education. So, you can lead the chearleading section if you want. I'm glad that you do because it makes more people wonder why you feel to need to put down and call names at the people who do not feel like you do. Keep up the good work.

and even more name calling April 4, 2008 at 3:08 a.m.

Keep up the name calling, it just goes to proove my point. Thanks. Calling people who figure out that Grantham is a bad deal and want to transfer out are "traitors"? You really have issues.

70% transfer rate? You need to check your numbers.

Call them fakes or forgeries all you want. They are there for anyone to follow up with. Again, keep up the good work.....rah rah rah Grantham.

Good for you April 4, 2008 at 3:17 a.m.

I'm glad you do. Keep following it. As for me, I believe what other schools and employers think about a school, and Grantham is very low on their list. The DOE can say that everything is equal, but they are not the ones doing the hireing or transfering credits, so until they do, you are out of luck.

The word is out, there are more to come April 4, 2008 at 3:24 a.m.

"No fair padding the numbers DeAnn and George"

Nope. The alumni have caught on to what you have been up to, Jason, and are doing something about it.

Yin and Yang....

Also, out of luck?
I am an engineer now. I win. Woot!!

Good job George April 4, 2008 at 3:33 a.m.

Tell him like it is George. How's that new baby of yours?

OK George April 4, 2008 at 3:42 a.m.

Keep up the good work. This guy is a lieing turd and should be ran out on a rail.

Jason April 4, 2008 at 4:26 a.m.

Look, I give up. I have tried everything to warn you idiots of Grantham, these are all of my posts:

navy student September 19, 2006 at 3:01 p.m.
John Maxwell September 25, 2006 at 2:14 a.m.
Student November 2, 2006 at 7:36 p.m.
Wrong Masuss November 5, 2006 at 4:48 p.m.
rip off November 7, 2006 at 2:47 a.m.
Robert December 16, 2006 at 7:35 a.m.
Robert January 21, 2007 at 4:57 a.m.
Summer January 23, 2007 at 7:32 a.m.
Easy to cheat at Grantham February 6, 2007 at 4:11 a.m.
RIPOFF February 9, 2007 at 7:11 a.m.
TO : Former Student February 27, 2007 at 12:56 p.m
Yeah right March 1, 2007 at 8:25 p.m.
2 Former student March 5, 2007 at 7:30 p.m.
to Former Student March 6, 2007 at 1:50 a.m.
Jason March 9, 2007 at 12:53 p.m.
Hi Management March 11, 2007 at 4:20 p.m.
It makes no sense March 12, 2007 at 12:20 a.m.
To Rose March 12, 2007 at 12:34 a.m.
To Peperdine graduate March 17, 2007 at 3:47 a.m.
BS March 17, 2007 at 10:22 p.m.
To Student March 18, 2007 at 12:15 a.m.
E-mail from another school received March 18, 2007 at 5:34 a.m.
PROOF March 19, 2007 at 3:01 a.m.
Found another e-mail - from ripoffreport.com March 20, 2007 at 11:10 p.m.
To Matt who wrote a review above March 21, 2007 at 2:52 a.m.
To Student - Caught in a lie March 21, 2007 at 11:29 p.m.
To everyone who responded "today" April 2, 2007 at 10:16 p.m.
Sounds good April 3, 2007 at 1:53 a.m.
GRANTHAM PLEASE April 3, 2007 at 4:55 a.m.

Jason April 4, 2008 at 4:30 a.m.

I tried starting this on RIPOFFREPORT.com, and the chronicles, and even brought it to the student forum. My handle was Jsn_Dwyn. My Yahoo Instant Message acct is jsn_dwyn, please feel free to contact me.

I am sick and tired of people defending this sham of a school. Get real people!!

know you April 4, 2008 at 4:57 a.m.

@know you
Your quote "Hopefully Grantham grads will be interviewing you when you look for a job. Bring it, it will be me. You better study, and you better retain something useful.

From what I have seen about your rant on bandwidth, you are nothing more than a parrot for buzzwords. I really hate those.

Good luck in your studies at College Station" You have got to be kidding me right. First off I noticed you said studies at College Station. FYI College Station is the city and Texas A&M is the university. Do you think that your worthless booger paper degree from Grantham is going to stand a chance against a Texas A&M University degree.That has got to be the funniest thing I have heard all semester. Stop fooling yourself. As far as my rant on Bandwith, If you want me to, I can change my major from Computer Engineering to Chemical Engineering. Grantham doesn't even have a school of engineering. You can bring it, as you stated you would to a job interview if you want. Your Grantham degree will just be used to wipe the boogers from your nose from all of the crying you will be doing when you are laughed out the front door. As far as mommy and daddy taking away my allowance, daddy just agreed to upgrade my platinum American Express to the American Express Plum Card. Just face it, your school and degree are worthless. So just get over it. Your school doesn't have any entrance requirements. They simply take anyone. What a joke. national accreditation+no entrance requirement+no ABET = paper mill^2*toilet paper/booger paper

A&M is awesome! April 4, 2008 at 5:09 a.m.

"FYI College Station is the city and Texas A&M is the university"

Duh, I didn't want A&M to pop up on a search for Grantham.... but now that the damage is done...

"As far as mommy and daddy taking away my allowance, daddy just agreed to upgrade my platinum American Express to the American Express Plum Card."

Plum is business..

And, I would not be interviewing against you... I would be interviewing YOU. I like A&M, don't screw that up.

Boredq April 4, 2008 at 5:14 a.m.

"I find it really hard to believe that you are a student of Grantham and have that much time to copy and paste all of that"

I just graduated, and I am having a hard time adjusting to a no-homework lifestyle. I committed 3 hours a night, plus 16 hours on the weekends for 2.5 years to finish this.

I figured while I am in transition, I might as well troll here.

GU S O E April 4, 2008 at 5:19 a.m.

http://www.grantham.edu/academics/colleg...

Grantham started out as Grantham College of Engineering.

Bring that chip April 4, 2008 at 5:31 a.m.

Come on out to Edwards. We shall see what you are capable of.

I have nothing but respect for A&M, what the hell are you doing on a 2-bit tabloid site?

I dunno April 4, 2008 at 5:42 a.m.

refer boredq above.

my two cents April 4, 2008 at 11:58 a.m.

Sir,

The generation these days just don’t do his/her homework. I never said whether or not I was currently enrolled at FSU; I only stated I took classes there. I took your advice an emailed some universities which I will post on here.

This one came from University of Dallas Texas. I also emailed a few others.

Dear Sir or Ma'am,
I am in the military and I am just completing my BSEET degree from Grantham University, a nationally accredited university by DETC. I am thinking of applying for admissions into your university and would like to know what my requirements would be for entrance into one of your graduate programs (e.g. MBA or MS)? Your assistance is greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

Dear ****,

Thank you for your interest in a graduate program here at UTD. I’ve outlined our admission requirements below:

You can apply online here:
Can't post website, not allowed

Admission information for degree seeking

* An official GMAT score report ( Graduate Management Admissions Test) or GRE, no more than seven years old by date of application is required of all applicants who do not possess a Doctoral degree. Currently, our competitive GMAT score is a 580 and for GRE a 1240 (verbal and quantitative only).

* Official transcripts from all colleges or universities attended, certified, signed or stamped by the Registrar and sent directly to the UTD Registrar are required of all candidates for admission. The transcript from the degree granting institution must show conferral of degree. Two copies of each transcript are required from all applicants. For admission consideration, the undergraduate grade point average will be calculated based on the last 60 hours of undergraduate academic course work (on official transcripts). Transcripts must also be submitted from any graduate programs in which the prospective student was enrolled. A resume detailing the applicant’s employment history since high school is required of all applicants.

* Letters of references from 3 people (employers, community leaders, teachers, etc), are required of all applicants.

* An official TOEFL score report (Test of English as a Foreign Language) completed no more than two years prior to application to UTD School of Management is required of all international students. Our required TOEFL score(s) are: 213 computer based; 550 paper based or internet-based 80.

* One page essay outlining the applicant’s academic interests and goals is required.

Please let me know if you have further questions.

Thanks,

Nikki/SOM
Phone 972-883-2750 Fax 972-883-6425
The University and Advising Office now requires that ALL REGISTRATION REQUESTS be transmitted from the student's UTD email account.

in reality on april 3rd April 4, 2008 at 12:45 p.m.

You are correct in your comments. There is only a couple of reasons to attend this university. Number 1 is the reason you have stated. The other is if you cannot attend a traditional university because on your life situation. Family or out of the country. I work for one of the Big 3 D-contractors and they have reimbursed me for every Grantham credit I have taken. It has made a difference in my ability to perform my job as an engineer. I really can't see how anyone can't cheat. If you do find a way, it will be discovered at your first design review. It would be nice if Grantham would get the ABET accreditation. It is possible for them to achieve this.

in reality on april 3rd April 4, 2008 at 2:06 p.m.

O.K. slip of the the keyboard. I meant to say can cheat not can't cheat. Have your fun but I am well rewarded every two weeks and with job satisfaction.

More Details please April 5, 2008 at 8:19 p.m.

I saw this post on ripoff, I am curious of what the circumstances really are.

Grantham has reformatted their completion timelines, that is a fact. You can do any number of classes, sure, but you only have 8 weeks in which to complete the classes.

I have heard this restructuring is a reflection of their efforts to gain Title IV approval (which was approved 2 months ago by the DETC)

Refer: Title IV above, and do a search for Grantham in the document

I highly doubt they would restructure without a legitimate goal in mind (duh), we shall see what they are plotting.

I really don't think 8 weeks is enough time for the majority of the GU BSEET curriculum; I managed to do it, but I have no life.

@clinton April 6, 2008 at 9:16 p.m.

I agree w/ you 100%

Grantham is a real good university for both working, transfer, & freshmen students. I graduated from GU and have had nothing but positive remarks due to my new degree in BSEET.

Thank you GU and I too am a better person having attended this college.

Nicely done! April 7, 2008 at 7:48 p.m.

Outstanding work sir!

Puzzled April 8, 2008 at 1:33 a.m.

I don't understand why people care if others cheat on the proctored exams. They don't count towards your grade anyway. They are to gage if you have learned the course work or can look up the answers, as it would be in the real world. Doesn't affect your grade, so cheat away!!! I personally want to learn the information, so I don't cheat. Ya get what you put into it.

@Spin on April 8, 2008 at 2:12 a.m.

Whatever nutjob! You have admitted to being a fired employee, failed student, and to having an agenda. No matter what is posted here, we can expect you to retort with utter negativity, armed with only doubt. We get it already, you hate this school.

An extension to: Improvement in service

I got my transcript today, which is the only thing my employer needs to promote me. I sent in the request on 3/25/08, and received it today in the mail (4/7/08). Not a bad turnaround at all. I will post when I receive my diploma.

Are any Grads here going to attend the commencement ceremony in June?

retort with the truth April 8, 2008 at 2:29 a.m.

"...............we can expect you to retort with utter negativity, armed with only doubt."

You forgot to add "....and the truth."

@ Spin , @ funny...your bull is called! April 8, 2008 at 11:30 a.m.

Sirs,

Here is the entire email message excluding my personal info. Go ahead and email them, waste your time, Grantham is a legitimate school that FSU accepts as transfer credits for its graduate programs.

Thank you for contacting our office. Sorry for the confusion. If you have already completed some graduate course work we can transfer up to 6 hours towards your graduate degree program.

If you have further questions please let me know.
Sincerely,
Rae S.
Office of Admissions & Records
Florida State University
PO Box 3062400
Tallahassee FL 32306-2400
Phone: 850-644-6200
Website:
-----Original Message-----
From: John.doe@hotmail.com Date:
Monday, April 07, 2008 10:52 AM
To: FSU Graduate Admissions (graduateadmissions@admin.fsu.edu)
Subject: RE: Questions about transfer credits

Mrs. Rae,

Thank you for taking the time to email me. I am not sure I quite understand; so you will accept my bachelor's degree plus 6 hours of course work for transfer? Or FSU only accepts 6 credits from my BSEET? I am confused.

I guess I really need to know do I qualify to be accepted in FSUs graduate programs. If so please let me know...

Thank you

V/R
John Doe

-----Original Message-----
From: FSU Graduate Admissions
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:37 AM
To: John Doe
Subject: RE:'FSUEmail=849-789' Questions about transfer credits

Thank you for contacting our office. I can only speak to graduate programs at FSU. If you wish to pursue your Bachelors here I can transfer your information to an undergraduate officer.
As for the graduate program, you can only transfer 6 hours of course work. You will need to fill out the application, pay the fee, and send us your transcripts. We also require GRE scores.

If you have further questions please let me know.
Sincerely,
Rae S.
Office of Admissions & Records
Florida State University
PO Box 3062400
Tallahassee FL 32306-2400
Phone: 850-644-6200
Website:
-----Original Message-----
From: John.doe@hotmail.com
Date: Thursday, April 03, 2008 11:00 AM
To: gradadms@admin.fsu.edu (gradadms@admin.fsu.edu);
admissions@admin.fsu.edu (admissions@admin.fsu.edu)
Subject: Questions about transfer credits

Dear Sir or Ma'am,

I am in the military and I am just completing my BSEET degree from Grantham University, a nationally accredited university by DETC. I am thinking of applying for admissions into your university and would like to know what my requirements would be for entrance into one of your graduate programs (e.g. MBA or MS)? How many credits transfer or what is the max amount FSU will take if I want to finish my BS with you? Your assistance is greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

V/R

John Doe

@ nice April 8, 2008 at 3:59 p.m.

Do you honestly believe I would give the whole world my name and email. That's dumb...ever heard of id theft.

The email is not forged...email them yourself...waste your own time.

I wanted to prove my point and I did. You sir...still haven't!

thanks,

JD

526K and counting April 8, 2008 at 10:10 p.m.

Over half a Meg, and still no "hard" evidence out there. At least UOPsucks.com can site specific job postings that exempt UOP grads from applying.

This e-mail nonsense gets nothing accomplished; there are too many other factors that would get someone denied for admission. There are too many schools and employers out there for either side to say "majority" or "few"; how do you accurately sample a pool of data that deep without committing a lifetime (or fortune) doing it?

The real way to fight is by complaining to the DETC, BBB, or CHEA if you really have a legit complaint. If you can get a school's acreditation pulled, then you have killed the school. Look what happened to www.cooks.edu

Looks Like Proof April 9, 2008 at 12:02 a.m.

The Caught in the act posting above is sure proof based on what I have been reading. All of the emails that were sent to real universities and the returned rejections from those schools plus the information above that came from Florida State's Website. It clearly states that you have to have a Bachelors from a regionally accredited institution in order for it to be used as a credential to get into graduate studies at FSU. Grantham is nationally accredited so what everyone is saying about there credits or degree has simply been proven. Stop kidding yourselves into believing that a Grantham degree is worth the hardwork or must I say easy work if the claims of cheating and junk curriculum are true as many have claimed here. If you persist on distance education why not go to a traditional school that offers online education. To me it just seems more logical. Stop getting scammed by Grantham because it seems as if the degree won't be accepted so why waste the money.

fact April 9, 2008 at 3:04 a.m.

@ caught
You can say what you want but the discretion is pretty much layed out in front of you by them saying the following:

subject to minimum standards adopted by the Board of Governors of the State University System of Florida. In order to meet these minimum standards, applicants must have, or be a candidate for, a bachelor's degree or equivalent from a regionally accredited institution and meet at least one of the following criteria:

Do you honestly think that those standards are going to be altered. If that is the minimum standards required then a Grantham degree does not meet those requirements because they do not have regional accreditation. Those rules are what they go by and I highly doubt that they will bend them for Grantham so get over it. The degree will not transfer to a legit institution!

JD here April 9, 2008 at 11:24 a.m.

All I am going to say to you naysayers is email FSU yourself and you'll get the same email as I did--if your honest.

I've proved my point.

A Grantham alumni April 9, 2008 at 12:05 p.m.

I must say my experiences with Grantham were above any other college I’ve attended. I give them a 9 rating out of 10! I did my research before I entered the school and found it is accredited. As a military member, the DoD or jobs I’ve looked at in the private sector doesn’t care if my degree is regional/national accredited but only that its accredited. Is one better than the other—my opinion is NO!

I had no problems with instructors, the materials, or had the opportunity to cheat. I made some good study buddies on the forum. My proctored exams were scheduled at the base education center--I couldn’t cheat. I have in the past attended a B&M school and honestly, any student who has attended a B&M knows you can cheat if you wanted to.

Sooner or later no matter what college it is if you cheat you will get caught—even at Texas A&M. Could I easily cheat while attending Grantham-NO! The tests were not open book and randomly generated. My tests were graded by computer and grades were posted.

The subjects are not easy (physics 1,2 and calc 1,2, etc)...B&Ms teach from power points/lectures. Online, your lectures come from the book and instructors. I felt I got my money worth.

It’s ridiculous how dumb those posts have become. The guy here is posting all kinds of crap about Grantham. You should be ashamed, dude!
Grantham is legitimate and I’m proud to call myself an alumni. Folks don't listen to all the negative hype this guy has posted on here--he's ignorant!

A quote from comedian Ron White about sums him up, "You can't fix stupid!"

Semper fi!

its proven... April 9, 2008 at 2:55 p.m.

dude!

FSU clearly emailed JD and accepted Granthams credits. national is accepted by most schools...its been proven!

to: it's proven April 10, 2008 at 1:27 a.m.

Funny how you accept "JD's" single e-mail without a question but refute the MANY e-mails that were posted saying that Grantham credits would not be accepted.

You employees need to try better than that.

that's right again April 10, 2008 at 3:58 a.m.

Oh, and one more thing!
Grantham spin doctors, please utilize the spell check tool option on your workstations. You folks are giving away too many clues when you try to refute wrecklessly.

@ all active duty and retired military April 11, 2008 at 11:11 a.m.

Please read page 6 of the link provided below. This may or may not help any active or retired military members attending a university accredited by the DETC. Thank you.

http://www.detc.org/military/downloads/2...

Most? April 11, 2008 at 1:56 p.m.

How is 30% "Most"?!!!!

Gotcha! April 12, 2008 at 6:07 a.m.

Hello Lin, former employee and failed student. I have finally tracked you down (it was pepperdine that gave you away)

Here is Lin's e-mail:

Simplisticreign@yahoo.com

BWAHAHAHAHA

to:Gotcha! April 12, 2008 at 12:43 p.m.

Wow, you really are a detective on par with Holmes. What gave that person away? Was is the fact that she PUT her name down or the fact that she PUT her e-mail address down?

You employees are really reaching now. The lady put all that information in the report. Do you think you are some great clue finder because you were able to read it AT THE TOP OF THE REPORT????

Besides, everything that she wrote was true, including the e-mail from Pepperdine that she posted.

You really are a retard.

To Lin April 12, 2008 at 3:23 p.m.

"You really are a retard."

It all makes sense now. No one would take hate blogging this far except a woman scorned.

This is why I don't hire women in general, NA or RA. They screw up, get fired, and take on some damn fool crusade to try and get "even".

Find something better to do with your time, Lin.

Grammar April 12, 2008 at 7:17 p.m.

"which is holds National Accreditation"

That didn't help.

1 more thing (sorry) April 12, 2008 at 7:24 p.m.

JD's e-mail seemed genuine, and assumed nothing. THAT is the way to approach a registrar. The only way he could have really peaked her attention was to include a copy of his resume, and transcript.

no difference April 12, 2008 at 9:28 p.m.

Since the Grantham degree holders and Grantham employees think that grammer played a part in the type of response that was recieved, why don't we send them another email. There was nothing cold about the way the question was asked. It was straight forward. The sender wants to know if a Grantham degree will get them into a Masters program at FSU. As far as specifying which national accreditor, that doesn't matter. National is national no matter what accrediting body it is. The obvious thing here is that Grantham credits and degrees are hard or nearly impossible to transfer to legitimate regional schools.It has been proven in all of the emails that have been posted.

Logical errors April 12, 2008 at 11:57 p.m.

QUOTE: "The obvious thing here is that Grantham credits and degrees are hard or nearly impossible to transfer to legitimate regional schools. It has been proven in all of the emails that have been posted."

Your sample pool of data is nowhere near deep enough to make that claim or draw that conclusion. The DETC has sampled the data, successes and failures alike, for a result of 70%. They have published the findings, and the DOE concurs.

Your claim is biased, as the successes are omitted to support your claim. Additionally, this site is biased as Graduates will not waste the time to blog about a school they are happy with.

Logical fallacy: Hasty Generalization
Reference: http://www.fallacyfiles.org/hastygen.htm...

JD move on April 13, 2008 at 4:10 a.m.

You can say what you want and do all of the name calling you want, but the fact of the matter is the last email to FSU is REAL. Legitimate regionals are not buying the Gram Scam. So move on JD. Since your Bachelors will not transfer to a legitimate regional, maybe you should consider graduate studies at Grantham.

Thats strange April 13, 2008 at 5:32 a.m.

There is no such creature as a "standard national accreditation transcript". Each school is free to offer whatever classes it chooses, it is the delivery method, bookeeping, and curriculum that is judged.

A BSEET from GU parallels all that I have seen from other schools offering the same degree (ITT, DeVry, UOP).

Also, it is apparent, and had been for some time now, the e-mails you so boringly like to quote are nothing more than 2-bit forgeries laid out in Outlook format. An e-mail is no more credible on a blog than my claim as President of the United States.

Furthermore, why the hell do you focus on the DETC as much as you do? That horse has been beat over, and over, and over again throughout every school on this forum. The DETC has backed Military-friendly schools for a very long time now (to include Marine Corps Institute, a factor in promotion in every enlisted rank). You are not attacking Grantham, the employer that fired you and the school that kicked your retarded butt out (deee dee deee), but every DETC school out there.

But, keep marching on with that megaphone of yours.

"I got fired and kicked out of college, YAY!!!"

saxinthecity April 13, 2008 at 12:12 p.m.

It appears that anyone associated with Grantham are negative liars.

I would advise all military to run far away from these second-rate, money-grubbing so-called schools and save their money for actual college. It is a waste of time and money to "pretend" you are going to college, when, in fact, you are only throwing your money away. [Don't be fooled by the those who think they are getting a head start on their education. They would be better off using their tuition to play the lottery. Truly!]

Military folks should concentrate on doing their military service NOW, and put off their education until they are out of the military when they can give full time to their studies. You will have a much better experience if you plan on getting your degree from a State University. Many colleges now expect students to get their first two years out of the way at their local Community College, and then transfer the credits over to a State University for your final degree, but your degrees (AA or AS from the Community College and BA or BS from your State University) will be GOLD. There is no problem transferring credits IF you check with both schools as you go along. Use the student services officer at the University to make sure your CC credits are transferable. It only takes a 5-minute meeting to make sure you are on track. From then on, you can do it on the phone.

Understand that almost all core curriculum (English, history, algebra, psychology, sociology) is transferable, however if you take a class in under-water marble-stacking, it may not be transferable for a computer science degree. Many folks who "gripe" about having credits that are not transferable have changed their major, and neglect to realize that certain classes are not associated with all degrees. Yes, English applies to ALL degrees, but square-dance class does not transfer to Economics. Sorry, but you have to be responsible and reasonable. Don't act squirrelly and then complain to try to get sympathy. You usually won't have to choose a major until your second year, but once you pick it, understand that if you change it, it might cost you in time and money, if some of the classes are not transferable. [I had no problem transferring over every single class, but then I made sure they were all transferable BEFORE I took them, and I stayed with the same major. I had no desire to make a career out of school. I took 15 to 18 hours, and went summers and was out in two and a half years (with honors).]

Forget this Grantham business, and Apollo, and ITT, and University of Phoenix. All they do is advertise and take your money. GO TO A STATE UNIVERSITY

Guys! Think of your favorite SPORTS STARS and check where they went! Then, check out the schools where they went. [Try for the best and forget these "matchbook cover" outfits. Stick with the real thing, and keep trying until you make it. You will most probably "fit" the school that accepts you.]

Traditionalist Propaganda April 13, 2008 at 10:18 p.m.

And the two above posts illustrate the battle between traditionalists and onliners.

Education is at a turning point, a gold-rush in my mind. SUNY was given a heap of money to produce a 100% online, ABET and RA BSEE program. It is supposed to receive said accreditation once the first graduating class cycles through in 18 months.

Once that program is online, I intend on enrolling (transfer acceptance or no). Until then, there are no options available for the electronics career fields (face it, State-ran universities have a hard-on for the EE and will not specialize). This is why the for-profits are so appealing. That damn "or military equivalent" nugget is such a hard point to get across due to the varying depth of the military technical fields, but everyone understands a BSEET coupled with military experience.

Like it or not, the B&M's are going down. With campus rapes, robberies, and shootings, who the hell would want to deal with that crap?

Traditionalists, as I like to call them, can be expected to resist change. That is what you are here for, and that is absolutely fine. Conservation is also a good thing, but I have to believe that a delivery method that doesn't require a commute, parking fees, and navigation to a classroom so some jerkoff can read off of power-point slides while stupid people keep asking stupid questions.

In either case, I wish anyone pursuing a degree the very best, either B&M or Online. I don't understand (aside from the anti-competitive angle) why anyone would be so hell-bent on stopping a guy (or girl) from picking up a book and learning something new.

Real April 14, 2008 at 3:05 a.m.

@ Traditionalist Propaganda
Nobody is saying that online education is not the way to go. Like the "Thank You" post said, if you are going to consider distance education, enroll into one of the many traditional schools that offer online education. Some of the top universities in the nation offer 100% online degree programs. Why get scammed and pay all that money to Grantham for something that will have no value. As the person above stated, "Take your chances and roll the dice" if you want but it will be a very expensive gamble. Even if you using TA from the military to pay for it, still its your time invested as well.

Aaron April 15, 2008 at 8:24 p.m.

Just as an FYI... I had gone to a regionally accredited brick and mortar school, when I tried to transfer to a local school who is regionally accredited by the same organization, they would only accept 30 of my 90 credits. Another regionally accredited school accepted 60. It all depends on the school.

When they transfer credit, they lose money. Really the only time you need to worry about Regional Accreditation is if you don't plan on finishing your degree at that school. If you go to grad school, some may accept it, some may not, I haven't really looked into it. For the EE program, regional doesn't really matter as much as ABET, just as ABA for law school.