University of Phoenix-Online Campus

Just a Guy March 30, 2007 at 9:44 p.m.

This program is a joke. I used to work for the school and quit in disgust. If a student deserves to fail, the school administration pressures the professor into passing them. They tell the instructor to "work with the student" to ensure they pass the course. This is so the student can continue in the program and more importantly...CONTINUE PAYING TUITION.

This school is nothing but a machine designed to separate students from their tuition dollars.

NCU, Walden, and Capella are no better.

Go with state supported, regionally accredited, online programs that also have a ground campus. They at least have academic integrity.

Anthem5582 April 12, 2007 at 10:02 p.m.

After acquiring credits from 2 different brick and mortar schools, I decided to complete the last 60 hours of my bachelors’ degree at UOP. Like the other colleges I have attended, some classes prove very challenging while others seem very easy. I will say that while I have been at UOP I have had to do more writing than I have ever had to do at any time during my education. I find the UOP classes very engaging because class discussions are performed via an online message board. When the professor posts specific questions about the reading material, the students have no choice but to read and interpret the information. You can't sit in the back of an online class and simply dodge the instructor. I have also had very few multiple choice tests. Most final exams are 1100+ word written assignments in conjunction with a 15 to 20 minute presentation. I don't know about you but I am a lost on how to fake my way through that.

As far as in the business world, I work for the largest health insurance company in the US. I have received a promotion during my time with UOP and currently in the running for a management position. I have listed my studies with UOP on my resume and have had no shortage of job opportunities.

In light of my positive remarks about UOP, I have decided that upon graduation in January, I will go on to complete my MBA with an online business school accredited by the AACSB (East Carolina University).

Overall I guess my advice to anyone considering UOP is to do your research. Like every school, UOP has its pro’s and con’s. Ultimately, I think a UOP education is what you make of it.

just a guy April 30, 2007 at 10:12 a.m.

Kyle,

If you failed a class than you must have not attended or turned in anything. They will pass you if you put forth just minimum effort, even if you deserve to fail.

TC May 19, 2007 at 7:37 p.m.

I thought the school was not good at all, but not everyone in the business world feels it is pointless. A few months after I get my BSIT I got a job with a world wide based company (John deere) and am making 3 times what I made before.

If I had it to do over I would have never taken classes at UOP, but it does not mean it did not pay off.

for Daniel June 3, 2007 at 4:57 p.m.

Daniel congrats on being admitted to the program. From personal experiences with online graduate or PHD work I would head towards the direction of a non profit institution or a school with a reputation for the program you are entering. Personally I wouldn’t try for a PHD with any online for profit universities, the reason why is because if you are getting your PHD you are planning to enter the field of research and academics which in itself is non profit work for most people so why go with a for profit institution for your PHD?

You need to also consider where you will be after you get your PHD from Nova Southeastern. Who will employ you, offer you a position what kind of schools will grant a position with a degree from Nova Southeastern?

I would look towards state universities such as Dakota state or any other well known university that offers a program via distance learning. Also don’t sell yourself short to only distance learning programs if you are near a grouping of well known university its worth the education and effort to try to get admitted to those schools, it will benefit you in the long run.

The big problem with online education today is for many people is too easy an option rather then going to class I've always felt that if you have quality schools near by (1/2-1 hour away)you should consider those schools first and if you have no luck with schools near you then I would search for distance learning programs with the highest quality possible and work down from there, I would try to avoid online for profit schools at all costs and do my best to get admitted to better non profits schools

DR.mcike July 21, 2007 at 5:43 p.m.

avoid online schools at all cost. An online school is not credible. Example as a chair of a department i wouldnt reccomend admitting a student for a Masters program who came from a online school. When new graduates from online Phd programs apply to become professors with my department, they are never called for an interview. Online programs are not trusted within the college and university system.

question August 9, 2007 at 8:21 p.m.

I understand how everyone feels about online schools and accreditation, but what if you HAVE to work 40 hours a week and you HAVE to take care of your child/ren? Online school is my only option. I want to further my current management position but I don't have the time to be at school all day. What should I do? I just applied to Strayer University. Did I make a big mistake? Which is better Strayer or Devry?? And please dont say neither. Sometimes you just have to settle with what you have to work with. This is better than nothing in my opinion. Right?

UOPPRO August 15, 2007 at 6:53 p.m.

DR.mcike,

If you're a Department Chair, then I'm the Queen of England. You can't even put together a coherent sentence!

And to all of you other liars, bitter dropouts, and basic flunkies out there, UOP is a regionally accredited, campus based program that offes online modality. They are also accredited through the ACBSP. Education will be what you make of it, no matter where you go, and the only difference between UOP and traditional schools, is UOP actually paid attention to the educational needs of working adults, and brought education to them on their terms, instead of the other way around.

Educational elitists who believe that a good education should be reserved only for those students that can bring a 4.0 GPA and a full time job-free schedule will always resent UOP for doing what they could, but won't, offer a valuable, relevant, applicable educaiton to anyone who has the drive and motivation to pursue it!

Right on DR.mcike September 7, 2007 at 6:45 p.m.

Like it or not, DR.mcike is right. If you don't like his answer, tough. He is the representing the majority of academic instititions. Sorry if you wasted money on a PhD from an online, but nobody respects those degrees.

I weep for the future September 7, 2007 at 9:44 p.m.

I really do folks. It is a sorry state of affairs when someone attends UoP. The school has nothing to offer and most students I have had the opportunity to meet from UoP are dolts at best. Sorry, but for those that aren't dolts, the others ruin your name. A degree from UoP will do nothing but tarnish your resume and you would be well advised to leave it off. With that in mind, why leave it off intentionally, just don't go.

Dr. McGillicutty September 7, 2007 at 9:49 p.m.

I will tell you that no self respecting drinker would attend UoP. Go to a B&M campus or your party life will suffer!

Fake September 11, 2007 at 3:09 p.m.

True This is humorous. Sorry, but the 100% acceptance rate and the fact that they report to stockholders and not to employers is something that will never be valued. UoP is for bottom feeders.

True September 12, 2007 at 8:16 p.m.

Profit only comes from offering a superior product that meets demand.

Tony September 21, 2007 at 2:29 a.m.

Univ. of Phoenix must be among the best in order to receive business program accreditation from ACBSP. I recently completed an MBA-Healthcare Management degree at UOP and received numerous employment interests.

Just a Guy September 30, 2007 at 11:44 p.m.

AACSB is the one that really matters anyway. If you don't have AACSB accredidation most academics will look down on you. ACBSP accredidation is a joke.

What? October 1, 2007 at 1:09 p.m.

Good point out Just A Guy. Also, the ACBSP accrediation is only in a candidate state. Understand also they have some people who did the initial review openly admit to fear of being sued by one of Pheonix's 30 lawyers. UoP is not among the best Tony, not even close. When I get resumes in and review them, the UoP people go in one pile and everyone else goes in another.

What? October 2, 2007 at 1:49 p.m.

Well that’s a bit harsh "To all considering online education...". I worked as a full professor at one of the highest reputable schools in the world. Carnegie Melon University, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Harvard, and Rochester Institute of Technology all have online MS programs. I would tell you the MIT and CMU students have been picked up to teach adjunct at some of the best schools. So your "academics" world may be one that thinks its an Ivy, but it really isn't.

I am not against online at all. In fact, I would think it would be more difficult to teach yourself. I am against it in some fields (like Engineering BS where you need labs, but MS you might not need labs), but I am totally against the FOR-PROFIT online schools.

Tell you what "To all considering online education...", I have a PhD from one of the number one schools in the world in Engineering, but I also have an MS I just earned from CMU online in July. You wouldn't consider hiring me?

Why? October 4, 2007 at 3:02 p.m.

Hate the player, hate the game! Yo, I am at Phoenix student and it is the schdizzle. I can hang outt with my peeps bustin it up and still go to the P. Check it out, I just gotto show up and I am bustin out with C's and B's yo. Go hear man, they let anybody in and you no you gotzta to the paper to make it.

And October 5, 2007 at 12:31 a.m.

And they teach great Ebonics because the people that attend cannot speak English.

And October 5, 2007 at 1:09 p.m.

I did. I love how easy it is. I did nothing except pay and got out. I hear UoP hired a rapper to go to school there. That might be you. I also hear the guy is dumb. I don't want myself to be associated with him.

The P October 5, 2007 at 10:32 p.m.

Check it, the P is da bomb. You dogz gottsta see tat all you be doin is rippin on da school dat make da Havard types look wack crazy. Da schoolz like Havard don't got nuttin on the P. Yous needs to check it befor you reck it ya'll. I be checkin out da P tis yeer and I did it wit the 3.1 average ya'll. I be rippin it with the homies cause I be casin da streetz with the skins now. I be up in all yaall faces now. I be managin now, da BK down on by da river in the JAX, FL.

What? October 6, 2007 at 3:19 a.m.

What Ivy? If you let me know, I will be sure to send my CV in.

Translation October 8, 2007 at 11:58 a.m.

If you would like to recieve an education that will get you a job paying almost $20,000 a year, please attend UoP. Once you do, Ivy's will still not respect you. UoP teaches ebonics in place of English because it will be much more useful in your future careers.

Yo Dog... October 9, 2007 at 3:48 p.m.

I be for real! Ya be wack if ya think da P and me ain't down G's with da wack edamucation. I be writin da paper and da be givin da B and C and I be gettin da degree.

Da P down wit the homies!

Ha ha October 10, 2007 at 4:53 p.m.

Ya, get a degree from here. Its an expensive piece of toilet paper! Phoenix is the worst kind of school. They want your money and don't care if you get an education. You pass every class as long as you pay. Save yourself time and find a school like Lacross University who will issue credits based off of "life experience" and you can get your PhD for just $2500!

Degree October 11, 2007 at 2:17 p.m.

How much does it cost to complete a doctor at this school starting from ground up? I haven't gone to college yet, but now I want to go and become a doctor.

Da P October 14, 2007 at 6:52 p.m.

You be buggin if you be dinking dat the da "P" aint da place to be. Da P be gettin the R E S P E C T from all people.

Da P October 16, 2007 at 2:55 p.m.

You be on my man...

You pay, you be gettin in and you be gettin da degre. Da respectabe degre.

Da P October 16, 2007 at 4:39 p.m.

You ain't down wit the P if you decree you set fire to the G. Gangsters be talkin and best be listenin. Da P free the homies and Da P pass all da homies. Check yourself my man and understand dat da P be the place to be. We be gettin jobs wit crazy bling bling danks to da P.

UoP October 16, 2007 at 4:45 p.m.

And I got straight As!

Hold on a minute!!! October 16, 2007 at 10:08 p.m.

I have completed a four and half year degree in finance from a brick and mortar university. Now I attend the University of Phoenix, and I anticipate graduation with my MBA in February of 2008.Currently I attend the ground campus in Houston TX, and my experience has been very good. It’s all about your professor, not the school.

Some professors take time and teach you essential tools necessary to make it in competitive world today. Some just have neither passion nor desire to teach and therefore, the students suffer.

Given that I’m a ground campus student I cannot comment on the online experience. However, I do intend to attend Walden University for my PhD in Business Finance. I have asked my PhD professor’s about Walden, and it is very well respected in the business world.

There will always be comparisons in life, Mercedes VS BMW, Harvard VS Yale, or Online VS Ground Campus. Who’s to say which is better or worse? It’s all about your experience and what you do with your education. The masters of success learn to gather all of their personal experiences and focus them on what’s relative to accomplish their personal goals.

I don’t depend on my degree to get me into a career opportunity. I depend on my ability retain all my educational experiences and apply them to the best of my ability. If you are an exceptional candidate for employment you will get the job. Someone will value you and not so much the educational background.

In closing, you have to sell your self. I know a girl who graduated from Rice University with a 3.7 in Business Management who is selling cars on a small lot for a living. So, therefore, it’s not about where you get the education, but rather how you apply what you have learned in your life. Don’t depend on the degree, depend on the knowledge. That is the true power.

Kind Regards,

D. Williams

Hold on a minute!! October 17, 2007 at 4:13 a.m.

Thank you very much for the comment, I would never compare Harvard to the University of Phoenix. Ivy league schools are Ivy league schools. They are the best for a reason. However, a true man on understanding knows that judging someone based off their differences, whether it be schools, race, religion, or gender, or sex is not a man of wisdom. I am 25 years old, I own a very nice home, purchased 5 BMW's with in the last year, and I have very nice opportunities waiting for me to finish my MBA. So, when you say get a life, I have mine. Now my friend, how is yours? I am reaping a return on my investment. Of course, we both now that everyone will not do the same as I with my education, but even so, we are no better than anyone who does choose to pursue online universities. So in others words, If you don't like it, fine, but don't discourage individuals who are doing the best they can to get an education. For some people it is their only option, and who are you to judge. I guess if you were so happy with your education, you wouldn't be wasting time picking on people who choose else where. I pray that you are never in a situation where someone judges you because of where you went to school. Say.....you went to brown but you were denied because didn't graduate from Yale. My best friend graduated from Princeton, so it does happen. So in closing, judge not and you shall not be judged, for what ever measure you judge, so shall you be judged in that day. (hopefully you know where this comes from, and if not then i feel even more sorry for you, then it would become very clear as to why you are so prideful and judgemental)

Kind Regards,

D. Williams

Hold on a minute!!! October 17, 2007 at 5:11 p.m.

That’s the same as saying, "if you’re not rich or wealthy, you should not be able to go to an Ivy League school." Which, by the way don’t have financial aid departments? Even so, $5,000 doesn't help pay for 50k in tuition fees a year, don’t you think? Look, the bottom line is that not everyone has the same opportunities available for advancement in life. You have to play the cards you’re dealt with. If I could do it all over, I would have gone to pharmacy school. Having said that, it is important to understand that nobody is saying its better than the traditional experience, but rather it was the best option for them at the time being. There is nothing wrong with choosing that option. As long as a person can get what they want out of their degree or education that’s all that matters, wouldn't you agree? But don’t be mad at for profit institutions, how about pharmacies, have you ever read the mission statement of these corporations, "To get people to buy more drugs" not to heal people from using them. Yet, when you go to the Dr. you probably take your prescribed medicine. We don’t even do research on the cure percentage rate, which is usually 10-20%. There are other major issues in this world to complain about that are truly hurting the economy and effecting individuals lives. But choosing to judge on educational preferences, I think we can find other constructive things to work on. How about the United States is one of 3 countries in the world who don’t pay for health care, yet we are one of the most profitable nations in the world. And you choose to complain about individuals educational preferences. Find something else to pick on people about. Education with out wisdom is foolishness. Wouldn’t you agree?

Degree October 17, 2007 at 7:36 p.m.

If you don't like the way health care is run in the US, move to another country or go and change it. I hate the for profits because they rip students off by offering a better future and lie about things to get it. Pharmacy at least is regulated and they have to tell you side effects. Schools don't tell students "you are taking out a loan for $4000 at 17% interest because we cost so much your federal loans don't cover it". They also don't tell you alternatives like Community College that is better in name and price. Pharmacy at least offers generic for a way better price. I do not respect UoP in any way. It is worthless because they are using tax payer money to keep student in school and graduating morons. And no, I did not attend that school or any for profit. I did teach at a couple though, and thats what made me hate them (the way they treated students as "customers" or (I shutter) "learners".

Degree October 17, 2007 at 7:40 p.m.

(continued)

4) Spam mail and heavy advertising comparing the University to the elites. This plays into number 3 above also giving people the sense that UoP is the most respected University because it has over 300K+ students enrolled. They have since changed this, but I still hate it.

5) Lack of accreditation from AACSB and ABET. While not all schools have this, UoP puts on their sites all about accreditation. Many people claim UoP is accredited by the same places that accredit Harvard. This is true, but government accreditation is the minimum a school needs to issue degrees. It speaks nothing of the quality of the degree, except there are enough classes in place to grant one. And why the lack of ABET and AACSB? Well, Number 1 is part of the issue, but number 6 is better.

6) 95% adjuncts? Come on now. A real University has real tenure professors doing research and trying to increase the level of education and effectiveness of the program. Sure, having adjuncts gets you business experience. But there is a place for them, we call them boards. They help look at the curriculum. Also, this “real world experience” is a bunch of BS too. When you’re in school (undergraduate, graduate, or just non-credit), that’s the real world. There is no such thing as a school that doesn’t give “real world” experience, even ITT or Devry or UoP (I know tons of schools say that line).

7) Lack of Ethics. UoP has displayed this in the cases against enrollment. The school is for-profit and reports to share holders, not students. They need to reinvest more money back into the school and less back to the shareholders. The previous entry about adjuncts also shows the ethics are low. Adjuncts do not have as much stake as a tenure professor since most of them work for the paycheck, not the recognition. Tenure might not be able to get fired, but the reputation can easily be hurt.

8 ) This is mean, but some of the graduates from UoP I have met seem to feel the world owes them something because they completed a degree. This is my own opinion on this one. This is the case with many for-profits. I believe it is because many schools like ITT are known for “hand holding” and help students that might not make it elsewhere. So when they are done, they are looking for “hand holding” and don’t know what to do. This is also probably because of number 3 (enrollment councilors) lying to them.

Hold on a minute!!! October 17, 2007 at 9:34 p.m.

Ya know, you are right, all those things listed are some things I have experienced. However, it is the way of the fast paced environment today. All schools are now attempting to offer distance learning programs in order to keep up with the competition because traditonal schools are noticing their enrollments numbers decrease. I could have gone to a traditional school for my MBA, I choose not to. Again, I dont depend on the school to get me a jobs, I depend on the education. Currently I am accounting and Finance Recruiter. I have interviewed people who have masters degrees from UT, Rice, and others who are seeking 30,000 job. You know why, because part of life is about who you know not what you know. Its a complicated balance that makes sense. The thing is.....no school can teach you that. That is wisdom learned out side of the school. The wonderfull thing about Ivy league schools is the contacts you make there. Remember I know someone who has been there and finished, Do you? I have more opportunities afforded to me because of who I know. Yet, I dont depend on those. I will make my own way. Well, I respect you opinion. Everyone has a right to it. However, remember that everyone is not or was not as fortunate as you, so try not judge so much. Thats discriminating against someone being black. You know that children born had no idea that being black in america was hard back then, but they still suffered. We can change the way we view people now days for the most part. Take care. God Bless you!

Great October 18, 2007 at 2:31 a.m.

This is Great. I Love reading Degree. Degree posts only the truth. You UoP grads can't handle the school sucks and is worthless and money hungry.

Degree October 18, 2007 at 4:42 p.m.

I rate people on education because its a sold indicator of the potential of the person. I hire people expecting the college has already filtered people and only brought the best output. Phoenix has no admissions and makes money on students. They have every reason to get the student through the entire program to maximize profit.

Dr. B. October 18, 2007 at 6:42 p.m.

Someone stated that the AACSB was better than ACBSP... that's not exactly true. Neither one are competitors of each other. Both are the only two business accrediting bodies recognized by CHEA. Both have separate aims and core values.... AACSB focuses on research whereas ACBSP focuses on teaching excellence. Most small colleges/universities or their academic counterparts seek accreditation through the ACBSP.

Also... just to throw this out there, the president of Tougaloo College is a doctoral (DOM) alumnus of UoP. She's doing quite well.

As for UoP, I do think the university has a better chance of revamping its reputation if it broke away from the for-profit arena. This would allow it to focus more on teaching and research... the important things in academics. It would also allow students to receive outside funding for their academic work.

Dr. B October 18, 2007 at 7:50 p.m.

HAHAHAHAHAHA....

I never said that UoP was a good school. I never said it was a bad school. But it is an institution that has been able to sustain for many years....regardless of criticism. Plus... for people to enroll and then criticize the institution after they've withdrawn.... I see something wrong with that. I mean... isn't it flexbility and open admissions that drew them there in the first place? lol.... of course unless you're investigating something like the impact of open enrollment on student attrition and success in for-profit institutions.

UoP is an institution for individuals looking to advance their career. They're most likely not aspiring to be great researchers or tenured faculty..... it's a working man's (woman's) school. Plus, a majority of its students are in the military anyway. They're gonna get advancement whether we like it or not.

Many people who graduate from there go on to do great things..... and I agree, if you push, the education received from there can be rewarding.

Respondants... as I've informed you before, I too am an academic snob.... no need to tell you why again. But we must be open-minded and resolved in the fact that institutions like UoP are not going anywhere anytime soon. My only wish is that they stop being so predatory in recruitment and financial aid....... and get off the for-profit belt.

Respondants... lets get back to work. :-) Good to see you again old friend. lol

Respondants October 18, 2007 at 8:35 p.m.

The AACSB gold standard I will look for references later, but I know from personal experiences, that is the gold standard. Even if you compare the two lists of the accrediting schools, AACSB is usually "A" schools.

AACSB also has nothing to do with Doctoral Degrees, mostly just MBAs. THe new DBA is up. MBA used to be equivalent to a PhD, but not so much anymore. Same as an MFA. But UoP does not meet my standard for education. Its not that I am saying it shouldn't exist, I am just saying they offer sub-par education in my opinion. Before I get bashed, please note the "My Opinion" part of what that sentence.

Back to work? I work in acadmics (well, close enough). That means I have never worked a day in my life!:)

Being Honest October 18, 2007 at 10:57 p.m.

Capella, UOP, ITT, and any other for profit university is sub par and so are the students. No one should take anyone with a degree from these institutions seriously. Students in these schools are the worst of the best and the best of the worst (and maybe they are neither, they may just be the worst of the worst). I question whether these students should even be allowed breed for fear that their below average genes may be allowed to create another sub par human with below average intellect whom will either turn out to be a derelict or a garbage man. I will not say I am sorry because I am not. These so-called students make me sick as an educated man and frankly they do not deserve jobs in academia and they do not deserve jobs in the professional business world either. Allowing these “students” into management will most certainly translate into a failed business and allowing them into academia will only further desecrate our educational system.

My question to any online supporter is simple, “How could you possibly support a sub par educational system and support these no minds that come out of these institutions that actually think they are qualified to work in any management function (including a head housekeeper) or any level of academia (including the mail room clerk)?” Honestly people, with this their can be no debate, online education from for profit schools simply cannot be taken seriously and any argument otherwise should be dismissed.

Now to address you Respondants. You state, "The AACSB gold standard I will look for references later, but I know from personal experiences, that is the gold standard. Even if you compare the two lists of the accrediting schools, AACSB is usually "A" schools." This is rich. You say "usually," an A school. Your statement alone loses the debate with the word "usually." Now, come back when you can actually carry a debate like an educated person. If you are educated by a B&M, clearly you slipped through the cracks.

Being Honest October 19, 2007 at 1:46 a.m.

Then, from one Ivy Leaguer (MIT as well) to another, what is your interest in for-profits and what are their place? Please expound.

Perhaps I was too crass with you, so I apologize.

Being Honest October 19, 2007 at 3:42 a.m.

Interesting point of view. One additional question if I may, "What for profits are 'good' and 'bad'?"

Attention online fools! October 21, 2007 at 7:32 p.m.

If you go to UoP you are stupid and it is as simple as that. You have no business working, teaching or anything else. Just so I have made not mistakes, this includes ALL online schools like ITT, DeVry, Capella, Jones University, etc. Also, if you go to an online school from a traditional B&M campus, you fall into the same category. In conclusion, argue all you want, if you are to lazy to get of your butt to a classroom, you have NO business working, going to school, raising children, or any other normal activity.

Duhh October 22, 2007 at 3:46 p.m.

Duhhh me went to online Pheonix college. Phoenix is a bird that rises from the dead. I went there. I like birds. I have my pHD in birdies.

Thank God October 22, 2007 at 7:35 p.m.

Thank God for that! I can't believe they are allowed to even offer Masters programs!

Dr. B October 23, 2007 at 4:19 p.m.

Only you can address your own insecurities about distance learning. Most of the comments on this site are baseless..... full of opinions. You will have to do what you think is right for you.

Talk to some schools..... traditional and non..... gather as much information as you can. also... read research presented by the sloan consortium on distance learning.

jobs.aol.com/article/onlinecampus/_a/will-your-degree-have-value/20061006151609990002

jobs.aol.com/article/onlinecampus/_a/is-online-learning-for-you/20061006151609990001

www.sloan-c.org/publications/index.asp

Good luck with your homework! :-)

Real Dr. B October 24, 2007 at 2:50 a.m.

i see we have impersonators...... that's so weak.

IA GUY October 25, 2007 at 11:43 a.m.

Personally I dislike UOP, but there are a couple of 100% online I do like. This is a general opinion as a whole.

Now I am a product of distance education, and I am more useful in my career because of it. I will also state that there are good for-profit online schools, and there are bad for-profit online schools. I will also contend that there are good traditional brick and mortar, and not so good brick and mortar. The issue I have is the retards who lump all distance learning into one pull, then stereotype against it, then use the for-profit argument in order to back it up.

The bottom line is that all schools are for profit; the only difference is that, either the profits are disbursed to share holders, or they are disbursed in other ways back into the school. For you to better get an idea of how here is a good article about money, and the University of Maryland System, and how some of the numbers play into it.

http://www.examiner.com/a-940891~Living_...

The funny thing I see on these forums, is people defending their obviously biased stances on very little research based substance. Which is ironic since them seem to consider them the “academic elite”, which makes me think that they are the dumbest smart people out there.

If you look at the big picture, the for-profits, who are more accountable to their financial more so then any non-profit colleges. If any of them are publicly traded then they are even more so accountable due to Sarbanes-Oxley requirements, and they must also innovate their technology, and lean out their processes. They must also do this, keeping tuition in reach of more students, because if they don’t they loose consumers.

All of the “academic elite” are watching what these for-profits are doing, and are now realizing that they better get on the band wagon in order to keep their consumers as well. So for all of you “academic elite”, any one who has any street business experience can see this a mile away.

Now this argument is based solely on the comments made by the stereotype’s, regarding for-profit status, I am not including academic quality in the is argument, as based on my research its too early to tell, since total online degree holders need time in order to contribute completely into the academic community.

Just Wondering... October 26, 2007 at 12:30 a.m.

IA Guy,

Typically I have only posted on the Capella board, but your comments struck me. I posted this on the Capella board:

Let us be honest, my wife is a tenure professor at a respected B&M campus that has a limited online following. Her school is not-for-profit. But as she says, they are for profit as many other B&M campuses are; they just adjust the balance sheet to a zero balance at the close of a fiscal year. Money is given away; sports programs are funded, communities are given money, etc. Of course, a key difference is publicly traded vs. not publicly traded, but the competition is on for the revenue generator, the student.

I will respectfully disagree with you; I do not think it will be as long as one might think before degrees from schools such as Capella garner more respect. Through conversations with collogues of my wife and through my B&M MBA, most of these professors see it as a two decade project and by 2025 significant changes of the view of online education will have taken place.

Dare I say that several Tier 1, II, and III colleges will place much focus on online education in the next 20 year. Further, while the Capella's and the Phoenix's of the world may not exist forever, they are changing the precious landscape so many "scholars" have attached themselves to like barnacles to a boat for centuries. The real fear is the online environment and that for profit is merely a cover from this writer’s perspective. The justification goes only as far as shareholders and maximizing profits. Scholars continue to share these as the primary reasons and fail to actually conduct any feasible research on the quality of the education. This, my friend, is hypocrisy at its finest, scholars who live by research, but when threatened, run to the corner of obvious truths and fail to provide any further insight. END

At this point, no intelligent responses have been made, only gander and conjecture. Frankly, these schools offer an alternative that threatens the enrollment of traditional campus schools. With this said, schools that swore off online education just 5 years ago now offer online courses, certificates and degrees. It does make you wonder what is next when 2012 rolls around. If you search, even Texas Tech offers a Ph.D. online now. Yes indeed, things will look much different in the next decade.

Me Too October 29, 2007 at 7:40 p.m.

I am dean of a college at a well known university. I work a lot with other colleges and can assure you, none of us would hire a PhD (or doctorate of whatever) from Walden, Northcentral, Nova, Phoenix, Capella, or ANY for-profit in a professor position. The only circumstance is if that person already has a PhD from an accepted school that is not-for-profit. This is true for tons of respected colleges. The ones that are changing, you will find their staff all coming from those schools because other faculty will leave upon hearing they are mixed with these profit-driven doctorates.

Just Wondering... October 30, 2007 at 1:56 a.m.

Please read my Capella "Again" and commit on that board.

As well "Me Too," Regent university, a well respected school in Virginia (online Ph.D.-and a school that beat Harvard in the law debate contest in 2007) has residencies. Capella has residencies. Texas Tech has an online Ph.D. with residencies. I will agree with you, UoP and Walden do not have recidencies and the degree should not be respected as a result. However, if a school is making the effort, I think a little more objectivity is in order.

Dr. B October 30, 2007 at 3:43 a.m.

one more thing.... Walden doctoral students must spend a minimum of 20 days in residency. most students go well over that amount because they realize that it keeps them in tune with the university, their academic peers, and simply keeps the juices flowing.

Just Wondering... October 30, 2007 at 4:46 p.m.

No offense taken Dr. B. I appreciate your time and additional research and it is important that all of the relevant facts are available. The arguments against online usually cling to the same thing "for-profit." Beyond that, there is little substance to the argument and whenever I ask for more, I get the same one sentence argument and you appear to get someone who has no education impersonating you.

If you ask me, people like that and "Attention Fools" and his or her various personalities proclaiming that online-educated people cannot have children are the real problem and lend little to the argument that B&M campus schools are definitively better.

Dr. B October 31, 2007 at 12:15 a.m.

I'm crazy ya'll!

Dr. B November 1, 2007 at 1:42 a.m.

My head hurts, someone make the voices stop!

Da P November 1, 2007 at 6:16 p.m.

Da P be da place ta B. Yo Yo, check it, I be gettin da bling bling and be wirtin the papars like dis and day be sayin I be being one of da smartesd dudents. Yo, Da P be smilin on ye!

Dr. B November 2, 2007 at 9:41 p.m.

You gys have to stop it I have ben reding this board and it is getng out of hand now if I hav told you once I have told you twice UOP and Capella are fine schools and the learners deserv al the credit four tring there best to do there best and there best should be good enough becaue is is there best and you cant take there best away from there best.

Real Dr. B November 2, 2007 at 10:19 p.m.

ok.. this is so out of hand. impersonations? so childish.

Dr. B November 5, 2007 at 1:05 a.m.

Help me, anyone! My head hurts and the voices are talking loudly!

Dr. B November 5, 2007 at 1:06 a.m.

Now the voices are posting, what should I do?

He he November 6, 2007 at 2:37 p.m.

CG you can't write but you will be accepted to UoP, Capella, Walden, NCU, and other for profits. Its not about online education, its about the for profits people don't believe in. Its because you can just simply buy your education and pass without doing work.

IA Guy November 8, 2007 at 5:35 a.m.

Hi everybody. I just wanted to let you know that I am a fat dummy.

He he November 8, 2007 at 12:50 p.m.

Hello everybody, I am an even fatter dummy then IA guy will ever be. The movie idiocracy is specifically based on my life, and IQ.

He he November 12, 2007 at 2:47 a.m.

Hey everybody, I am a freak nasty wantabe gettin' down with the ladies.

Don't mind me posting about edumacation, I couldn't even get out of the 6th grade.

He he November 12, 2007 at 2:45 p.m.

My my, I feel bad, you really think UoP is a respected University. I heard they were applying for a lisence to sell used cars on company property, I mean campus. What a joke. You don't earn a degree here, you buy.

He he November 12, 2007 at 8:41 p.m.

Stupid UoP, only school that would accept us.

He he November 13, 2007 at 12:32 a.m.

You know, I come on here and try to post so that others realize that you are buying your dam degree. No one needs to mock people. Now, I command, much like the Wolves command the eagle along the river, you must stop. You must realize that in order to stop, God will not allow the eaters of fruit to come to the moon unless you grab the bag by the beans and scratch the cow before it dies from the animal goats who fill the city with terrible juice from ants.

Now, listen, I am a man who advises the truth, so please no that I howl only when I see things.

IA Guy November 13, 2007 at 12:39 a.m.

Wow, look at me, I am sickly obese! I think if someone just squeezed the fat out of my head, I might loose 800 pounds.

Mystery November 14, 2007 at 6:12 p.m.

Why are so many people against online education? Just embrace it, its the way of the future. Proprietary schools are also here to stay. They make money on education sure, but in order to make money, you have to provide a quality product. If these schools are so bad, they would go out of business. Think about KMart. Prices were high and selection was low. They are gone. This education would be the same way if the selection (or quality) is low because the prices are higher than other colleges. So obviously they provide higher quality.

Uhm November 14, 2007 at 8:36 p.m.

Uhm, is Duh and Mystery serious?

Uhm November 17, 2007 at 12:51 a.m.

I forgot my medication, could someone help me. I am a crazy man and I live in a van down by the river.

Why? November 19, 2007 at 2:39 a.m.

Sarah,

Why is UoP making your angry?

True November 20, 2007 at 2:17 p.m.

Good point OMG, this school is for bottom feaders, just like you pointed out. People that couldn't make it anywhere else.

True November 26, 2007 at 7:31 p.m.

I think its funny you defend UoP. What a joke.

what a bunch of November 27, 2007 at 12:44 a.m.

Crap! You sound like a bunch of privileged brats whose mommy and daddy paid for your education. I know plenty of Frat Boy Bros who came out of B&M schools more stupid than when they went in. Get a grip, on-line is here to stay and frankly mimics real-life working conditions (read 8 + hours at a computer a day and a lot of writing) more than a B&M does(read having your parents pay your rent and drinking beer-bongs).

He he November 27, 2007 at 12:43 p.m.

Its not about online and parents paying. Phoenix is more expensive than state schools, but at least people respect state schools. Phoenix is for profit and it is known to be the school for people who can't make it in anywhere else. You pay to go here, you pass so they can keep getting your money. Very simple. And links about Phoenix alumni are uselss. Of course out of 300K+ people some are bound to do good.

He he November 27, 2007 at 6:25 p.m.

I have a bad case of stinky finger!

He he November 28, 2007 at 1:26 a.m.

I am also respected in the porn industry. They call me "The Tiny Man."

Hey Tiny Man November 28, 2007 at 5:20 p.m.

I thought you were a UOP Grad...the stinky finger gave you away!

He he November 28, 2007 at 6:47 p.m.

True probably graduated from UoP too.

Love It November 28, 2007 at 8:45 p.m.

Love how this website mocks people. Lets take a gander at what people say about schools that are not-for-profit compared to the for-profit schools. Man, I can't find anything written poorly about Penn State, even though it has online degrees. Why? Your not paying to graduate, your paying to learn, and if you don't learn, you don't pass, unlike UoP.

Good work He he November 29, 2007 at 1:04 a.m.

NorthCentral is in the top 5 dope. They are for profit like UoP. You keep coming with subjective statements and you bring articles that mean nothing to the table to substantiate your claims. Personally I don't like UoP so I am not going to bat for them, but I will not go to bat for stupid arguments like yours that make claims based on bunk. If you truly are educated, your arguments are flawed and useless, much like your research if you have done any I am sure.

Love it, the website is a joke. Of course, based on the times He he and Love it posted, I am guessing (and likely I am right), you are one in the same. You can find poorly written statements about any school in one fashion or another, but that subjective material is gander and conjecture and does not equate to credible material that you can use to establish an argument. It is like coming to a criminal trial with only circumstantial evidence.

Now, unless you are going to substantiate claims with original and verifiable research (other than what this site, what select former students, or what select HR directors have to say), then you have zero to discuss. The intellect, including you He he, isn't enough to light a bulb.

Don't bother to reply He he or Love it, you clearly suffer from delusions of adequacy.

He he November 30, 2007 at 1:49 a.m.

You will probably end up in hell too if you go to UoP. Just an FYI, hell is waiting if you graduate UoP.

He he December 3, 2007 at 7:43 p.m.

Ya, maybe Harvard Online if your lucky, I refuse to believe that one. I'm also the Queen of England. Nice to meet you. Idiot.

He he December 4, 2007 at 1:17 a.m.

Mommy, it burns when I pee and my fingy be stingy too!

Good work He he December 4, 2007 at 5:47 p.m.

He he,

I see you were called out on your "reviews as sources" concept again. Sorry sir, but you cannot believe the negative and refuse the positive. If you only believe the negative, you must be a statistician, painting the picture you want everybody to believe with skewed numbers. Yes sir, you are a real researcher. You think from one side and refuse to analyze from both sides. Again, I do not go to bat for UoP or online schools in general, but I can tell a subjective thinker and one who lacks the ability to review things with a critical mind when I see one.

Sorry state of affairs if anyone puts weight into your argument, anyone with intelligence can see you argue "from the hip."

Re: Attention Online Fools from Oct. 21st 2007 December 5, 2007 at 3:21 a.m.

I just graduated from an online MBA at an AACSB accredited school. I can say that every single professor that taught every single one of my classes was full time and held a terminal degree. I agree that UoP is a total f**king joke and should be shut down immediately. But don't lump the traditional AACSB B&M schools with an online program in with UoP and Devry.

He he December 6, 2007 at 1:31 a.m.

UoP is ACBSP accredited, not AACSB. AACSB is much more respected.

Dr. B December 6, 2007 at 7:49 p.m.

AACSB considering Capella? I hope it happens. lol That would be so funny to me.

Interesting article:

www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/10/19/p...