Breyer State University

John Emerson March 28, 2008 at 12:53 a.m.

This website lists Breyer State as being accredited by the "Central States Consortium of Colleges and Schools". This organization is not a regional accreditor and is not recognized by the U.S. Dept. of Education, the Council for Higher Education Accreditation, or the academic community at large. In other words, Breyer has no meaningful accreditation, regardless of what they might claim. They should be regarded as inhabiting the same gray area as Rushmore and Warren National/Kennedy Western, and the same caveats mentioned about those two organizations apply here.

Clarification July 25, 2008 at 8:29 p.m.

"They should be regarded as inhabiting the same gray area as Rushmore and Warren National/Kennedy Western, and the same caveats mentioned about those two organizations apply here."

There is no grey area here, Breyer State "University" is an unaccredited business claiming a false accreditation and trying to pass it off as a DOE recognized approval.

Don't waste your money on a useless degree that any competent HR department will smell from a mile away.

Note: Booted out of Alabama July 25, 2008 at 8:33 p.m.

In a news release Alabama announced an initiative to rid the state of fraudulent institutions and had this to say about Breyer State Universtiy. "While many of the institutions closed for legitimate reasons, some – notably Columbus University and Breyer State University – were operating apparent diploma mills and taking shameful advantage of hundreds of unsuspecting students

Not accepted any where July 27, 2008 at 5:15 p.m.

Not sure why this site carries Breyer State "university" along with dozens of legitimate colleges, it may be misleading to the uninformed.

Errrr.......... August 17, 2008 at 5:23 a.m.

This place is listed on many states black list as a diploma mill, see Texas, Oregon, etc.

STAY AWAY!!!

More raud actions against Breyer State "graduates" September 19, 2008 at 2:57 p.m.

www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?...

9/4/2008
Three Freehold Regional school administrators who gained advanced degrees from a suspected "diploma mill" were ordered by the state yesterday to remove the degrees from their titles, while the state also alerted all districts to the laws against using such institutions.
The state Commission on Higher Education sent the "cease-and-desist" letters to Freehold Superintendent James Wasser and two of his assistants who had gained doctorates from Breyer State University, an online program that had at least twice lost its certification.

HaHaHa September 22, 2008 at 11:34 p.m.

These degrees are Novelty items and nothing more. Don't waste your money.

Matt September 26, 2008 at 8:25 p.m.

George,

That depends on what you plan to do with the degree. If you need the degree to advance in you career then RA probably does matter. In which case you will just have to fork over the $ money just like everyone else.

If your plans with the degree dont require that the degree be RA, then sure why should you pay.

Proper accreditation does matter. To be acceptable, all degrees should be regionally accredited, or at least nationally accredited by a CHEA recognized agency. If you read Bears Guide, they go into the importance of accreditation and site many examples of people being busted w/ unrecognized degrees. We are talking loss of jobs and public embarresment. One lady even had her state teacher of the year award yanked.

Unrecognized degrees simply don't fool anybody. So why would you do it?

Don't try to rationalize September 30, 2008 at 2:23 a.m.

The "accreditation is voluntary" argument is a very weak one for those trying to rationalize, and it doesn't hold water, directly from the source, read below.

From US Gov FAQ
Accreditation is “voluntary,” so doesn't that mean it is optional and not necessary?

Since accreditation is the PRIMARY means of determining the legitimacy and quality of colleges and universities in the United States, to describe the process as "voluntary" is not to describe it as "optional" or "unnecessary."

John October 2, 2008 at 1:14 p.m.

Let's face the facts:

1. Breyer State is not a mill
2. Breyer State performs real education
3. Breyer State graduates have done their fair share of work

Very bad accreditation choices. Yes, by all means!
Not good moving from state to state. Agreed.

4 years to boot a diploma mill? October 4, 2008 at 4:27 a.m.

Can't believe it took them almost 4 years to boot a "university" that was giving doctorates away for a "one-time application fee and a monetary contribution", LOL

Diploma Mill October 5, 2008 at 7:20 p.m.

"One of the institution’s many violations included conferring honorary doctorates on individuals based on life and work experience, a one-time application fee and a monetary contribution to the institution."

"It is not an one time application. It is per course"

So you have to make multiple "monetary donations" before they mail you a "doctorate", LOL.

Diploma Mill October 6, 2008 at 12:14 a.m.

Hi John, can you cite a source for that claim? Breyer State was expelled from Alabama for the reasons specifically stated by the State Administration in a press release, let's recap:

They "were operating apparent diploma mills and taking shameful advantage of hundreds of unsuspecting students" and they were giving away doctorates for donations.

Breyer has also changed their PO Box to Idaho already, another state lacking in any type of regulation of diploma mills.

John October 6, 2008 at 6:50 a.m.

This is a direct response from Breyer State when asked about their closure in Alabama:

"
Breyer State University is no longer operating in the state of Alabama.

We now are in the state of California, with our offices located in Los Angles, California.

Over the past four years, we have been in Alabama as a licensed school by the Department of Post-Secondary Education, in very good standing. Very recently, there was a change in personnel in that department. We submitted the same documentation that we did from our previous two licensure reviews and some of the information has been put in question.

We are right now in the “Appeals” process as provided by Alabama law. We will seek the reinstatement of licensure based on the solid facts that this Department and their officials did not provide any type of notice to Breyer State University, that it was now using such standards or policies to evaluate schools. We rightly feel this is a gross injustice to our school and also to our students.

Our attorney firm is working on the appeals process. We are also committed to seeking further actions in appellate circuit court in Alabama for their failure to adequately notify the school of changes in policies/requirements. Our attorney firm feels very confident of a positive outcome regarding such appeals against the department of post-secondary education.

For the time being, in order to not disrupt study or graduations from the school, we are now in California. We continue to offer our high quality programs taught by our outstanding and dedicated faculty. As such, you may fully continue with your courses and curriculums without interruptions.

The most important point to remember is that the State of California allows us to legally operate and confer degrees. In short, a degree from California is just as legal as a degree from Alabama.

Again, we are working with our attorney firm on this matter and will provide updates as we progress. We hope to have this matter resolved within the next upcoming months. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us.

Thank You.

Sincerely,

Board of Trustees

Breyer State University

Los Angles, California"

Diploma Mill October 6, 2008 at 1:16 p.m.

Thanks for the info, regulation of diploma mills is a slippery business without any unified enforcement.

Needless to say, there are hundreds of legitimate online schools out there, so no need to ruin your career by buying a Breyer State degree.

Nicolas October 16, 2008 at 4:57 p.m.

for those guys as like "Scam", could you please give us the definition of a scam?Did you ever attended BSU classes?Did you ever take a contact with them?I can answer for you...NO NO NO. So please stop abusing this forum.

BSU is not a scam neither fake nor mill!!!They require a lot of work...they're not accredited but they do good work.

thx

Nicolas October 17, 2008 at 1:47 p.m.

Firstly,BSU when it was in AL were allowed to confer degrees legaly.The department of postsecondary education confirmed last year before they loose their license.

second...try out to obtain a PHD by BSU in a W-E, and once you did it, pls let me know...

you have no Idea what are you say over there....You have never contacted them even by email...did you ever try?

can you tell me the law violence in CA commited by BSU?There is no law about licensing neiter department of post secondary education in CA, so???

stay at degreediscussion mr.Go(g)llin!!

And... October 17, 2008 at 8:05 p.m.

If you skim through the faculty pages, it's a who's who of unaccredited so-called "phd"s from:

Greenwich University, Breyer State University – Canyon College

ReadingIsFundamental November 4, 2008 at 5:49 p.m.

I have not signed up for or paid for anything at BSU, however I wanted to read this blog. A few things I noticed. 1. Three Freehold Regional school administrators who gained advanced degrees from a suspected "diploma mill". Now I would like to point out the word Suspected. It doesn't say obvious, guilty, definite etc. It says suspected. Why is that. 2. I noticed on the BSU website, that it specifically states in bold letters: Breyer State University is not accredited by an accreditation agency approved by the U.S. Department of Education. So let me ask: Why folks constantly say they are being fradulent or trying to pass themselves off as Accredited by the DOE. If you know how to read, you can find that out for yourself, very quickly. And I would also like to point out that the DOE does state it is voluntary, why do they make that statement 3. You make reference to folks receiving honoray doctorate degrees. An honoray degree is not the same as earning one. However I must also comment and say, that thousand of people in society and life have received, HONORARY degrees from hundreds of schools, based on their life work, and mostly the amount of money they donated to fund the Library or research center at the school. Or simply put: An honorary degree or a degree honoris causa (Latin: 'for the sake of the honour') is an academic degree for which a university (or other degree-awarding institution) has waived the usual requirements (such as matriculation, residence, study and the passing of examinations). The degree itself is typically a doctorate or, less commonly, a master's degree, and may be awarded to someone who has no prior connection with the institution in question. Usually the degree is conferred as a way of honoring a distinguished visitor's contributions to a specific field, or to society in general. The university often derives benefits by association with the person in question. Now I ask why those are completely acceptable and go unaddresed without complaint. There was NO class work involved, NO test taken, just pure and simple work/life experiences and contributions. 4. If your chosen field requires TECHNICAL learning, such as teaching, which appears to be the popular topic of conversation in this forum, that is where the loophole is. Having a degree in Business is not the same as having a degree in Business with a Teaching certificate.

All in all, I enjoyed reading the comments and remember, ReadingIsFundamental.

Just say NO to Trolls November 6, 2008 at 2:56 p.m.

Did you know that if you add water to dirt you get mud? And did you know how easy is it to throw mud at something when you don't have to give your real name? It seems like all of the posters here are part of some guerrilla smear campaign. I am still going to Breyer and I like it. I can honestly say that at Breyer you purchase up to date textbooks, communicate with an educated professor, and then you take several exams based on the textbook and then you still have to turn in a few written assignments on the knowledge that you learned. I guess to some people that is millish. But to me it seems strangely just like oh I don't know college? You know where people go buy up to date textbooks, communicate with their professor then complete exams and turn in assignments.

LOL November 6, 2008 at 5:27 p.m.

"I can honestly say that at Breyer you purchase up to date textbooks"

That is the best thing you can come up with?!?!? How about: "We use pens, just like at Harvard" or maybe "We use white paper, just like MIT"

Advice for students: Look around, do 5 minutes of research, and for the same $$ you would waste on this place, you can get a college degree.

Nicolas November 6, 2008 at 7:51 p.m.

for the "Clearing up your confusion", where did you see the Cayman-island operation and the "self-accreditation" ?? you're a little bit confused with RUSHMORE maybe

Nicolas November 7, 2008 at 12:49 a.m.

yeah...that's right...Central States Consortium of Colleges & Schools...

Just say no to trolls, November 11, 2008 at 2:08 p.m.

I love when trolls cherry pick issues. DID you notice the part were I said you take EXAMS... you know a set list of questions where you are asked questions about the material at hand. Material from a text book that is up to date. Because I was taking the ammo out of your can before you could say something lame along the lines of "their books are from the 1800's HAR HAR HAR." Anyways my point is Breyer State is an excellent school. It is far from a diploma mill. When did I purchase a degree? I paid tuition costs to be tested on knowledge I learned during a given period from a professor. If that is a mill then every school in the world is as well. I say it before and I will say it again, you University of Phoenix smear campaigners can go away! Also where do you see something about Central States? Last time I checked they are accredited by EAA. Get your facts straight Trolls.... go back under your bridges.

Diploma Mill for the naive November 12, 2008 at 6:50 a.m.

Glad you are starting to ask good questions before you waste your money:

"If someone can prove that he bought his degree, I invite him to show us how he did it."

Yes, many people were buying their degrees, if you read the letter when they were booted out of Alabama, everyone was getting a doctorate for a "donation", LOL.

"One of the institution’s many violations included conferring honorary doctorates on individuals based on life and work experience, a one-time application fee and a monetary contribution to the institution."

And then...

"Last time I checked they are accredited by EAA"

True, I got their meaningless accreditor wrong there, but it was originally listed on this site as CSCC. But, no matter, meaningless accreditation mills can change overnight with no effort and the EAA "accreditation" is just a website set up to plug diploma mills.

They are still investigating the St. Regis / Breyer State connection, but I believe the Breyer State buyers showed up in the investigation because of people who had bought both "degrees".

New Jersey sent cease and desist letters to a couple of so-called Phds recently too.

Diploma Mill for the naive November 13, 2008 at 6:47 a.m.

"source wikipedia"

If you ever go to college, you will learn that Wikipedia is not a valid reference source.

"As you said...a donation"

In Breyer "state" case, it was a purchase of a degree, nothing "honorary" about it. Are you saying that Breyer State's business is the sale of honorary degrees?

US Navy Sailor November 13, 2008 at 5:53 p.m.

Breyer State University was the only University that took all of my credits from accredited Universities (Univesity Washington) Temple University, Rutgers, and many more and matriculated them into a degree. I did not have the luxary of taking all my credits at 1 University because I was busy protecting your families during war time. I am a US Navy Sailor. Thanks, thanks Breyer for giving me the same opertunity as others had. I must admit that I was not happy that they made me submit essays and complete courses I felt I already had but they accomodated me in the end. Other Accredited New Jersey Schools offered to do the same for a much higher price tag. Thomas Edison in New Jersey is accredited and is much easier to get a degree for prior course work and life experience. It just cost much more. This is the real reason New Jersey was critisizing Breyer. They had friends at Thomas Edison State College. Compare for yourself at www.tesc.edu This needs to be investigated and the NJ Superintendents need justice. Thomas Edison don't even offer classes? What a joke. Breyer is great for Military families.

Diploma Mill November 14, 2008 at 4:18 p.m.

Your claim about New Jersey's take on Breyer State is unfounded. They passed legislation on 10/24/08 that specifically names Breyer.

"The Senate approved legislation today, sponsored by Senator Jennifer Beck, that would prevent school employees from receiving tuition assistance or salary increases for degrees earned at “diploma mills.” The legislation, S-2127, was introduced in response to revelations that school administrators in Freehold Township had received both tuition assistance and pay raises after completing doctoral programs at Breyer State University, an unaccredited online school that provides advanced degrees in exchange for little more than the tuition that is paid"

www.senatenj.com/?s=ols

Diploma Mill November 14, 2008 at 7:57 p.m.

"stop insulting BSU"

I don't see any insults, just factual statements from oversight agencies about the most recent enforcement actions against B.S. - U. These are direct quotes.

Texas - "Fraudulent or Substandard Institution"

New Jersey - "Breyer State University, an unaccredited online school that provides advanced degrees in exchange for little more than the tuition that is paid"

Alabama - "While many of the institutions closed for legitimate reasons, some – notably Columbus University and Breyer State University – were operating apparent diploma mills and taking shameful advantage of hundreds of unsuspecting students"

Diploma Mill November 14, 2008 at 10:18 p.m.

"You don't like them"

Like or dislike has nothing to do with it. Just the facts, maam.

You would make a better case if you could present some facts on acceptance of this so-called "university", so far there are only lame anecdotal stories.

Which companies accept them? What grad school can I get into with it?

Personally, I am a graduate of the very unprestigous (but real) Southwest Missouri State.

OMG! November 16, 2008 at 4:16 a.m.

What is this bogus school doing in among all the real ones? It is very misleading.

Nicolas November 20, 2008 at 12:36 p.m.

Yeah, that's right...I think that you have enough time to spend and you don't know "where and for what"!!!

Nicolas November 21, 2008 at 11:34 a.m.

Yes, you are right but I got the equivalent of laurea triennale (bachelor of 3 years in Italy), it is recognized as BSU was licensed to confer degrees in january 2008?what shoould I do?Call the ministry of education to return them my degree because you don't like BSU or because BSU lost it's license?You must be crazy if you believe it

Breyer State in the news again November 24, 2008 at 2:45 p.m.

The New Republic Magazine

"Degree Burns, How diploma mills are threatening national security"

Big Tex November 26, 2008 at 4:30 a.m.

I don't seen any violations that BSU was doing in Texas that fit the term of Fraudulent or Substandard. The paste is from the Texas Education Cert Boards own web site...? All I see is BSU did not pay to the state kitty to be recognized, but they don't operate in Texas anyway, so why spend the money & raise my tuition...?

(24) Fraudulent or substandard degree--A degree conferred by a person who, at the time the degree was
conferred, was:
(A) operating in this state in violation of this subchapter;
(B) not eligible to receive a certificate of authority under this subchapter and was operating in another
state in violation of a law regulating the conferral of degrees in that state or in the state in which the
degree recipient was residing or without accreditation by a recognized accrediting agency, if the degree
is not approved through the review process described by §7.14 of this chapter (relating to Review and
Use of Degrees from Institutions Not Eligible for Certificates of Authority); or
(C) not eligible to receive a certificate of authority under this subchapter and was operating outside the
United States, and whose degree the Board, through the review process described by §7.14 of this
chapter, determines is not the equivalent of an accredited or authorized degree

Michael November 26, 2008 at 1:59 p.m.

Big Tex...

UP

Agree December 2, 2008 at 8:58 p.m.

Not sure what in the world UOP has to do with a diploma mill, but I think we all agree that:

UOP - Legitimate university with a horrible reputation.

Breyer - Bogus "university" with a horrible reputation.

Diploma Mill for the naive December 3, 2008 at 12:17 a.m.

"IT'S NOT BOGUS!!!!!!!!!!!"

Unfounded anecdotal stories aside, all evidence points to the contrary.

Wrong Board December 3, 2008 at 2:09 a.m.

This is a Breyer State board, not a UoP board.

LOL at latest bogus review December 8, 2008 at 10:25 p.m.

"Very satisfied by BSU MBA I recommend their degree for those that don't care about accreditation."

For those of you who don't need a real degree, it does perfectly fine as a not-real degree.

Michael December 9, 2008 at 5:04 a.m.

why a positive review is a bogus review and a negative is not?I guess that the very negative review on the MBA comes from you, isn't it?

ps: it is for "LOL at latest bogus review"

Emanuel December 9, 2008 at 11:28 a.m.

"Really? Please point me to any employer that advertises: "we gladly accept unaccredited degrees!""

Siemens in Germany, I explained them , and they don't have a problem.Once I'm competent and I'm doing my job as I have to, they don't care!!!

You can call them if you want!!!

Wittelsbacherplatz 2
D-80333 Munich
Germany

Eat Your Words.. Again December 10, 2008 at 5:09 a.m.

I happen to work for a very large U.S. company, and like Siemens, they value the person and there ability, performance, and dedication much more than RA or NA.. Its just reality... I think each person is different, for example, if you are very young or very inexperienced, and all you have is a degree from a non-accredited university,
most employers would give you a chance to prove your worth, again that's reality.

Fake PhD - Breyer State in the news again December 10, 2008 at 5:21 p.m.

www.darkgovernment.com/news/superintende...

Superintendent Gets Raise for Fake Doctorate Degree
August 21st, 2008

A Freehold Regional High School District school board member said she would seek the resignation or removal of the superintendent and an assistant superintendent if they don’t pay back the district for tuition reimbursement and raises given for doctoral degrees obtained from an “online, unaccredited diploma mill.”

Breyer State was kicked out of Alabama by officials there in June. The diploma-mill issue has spawned state investigations and statewide controversy.

If you lay down with dogs, you're gonna get fleas December 11, 2008 at 4:02 a.m.

"FYI - Breyer State's president, Dominick L. Flarey, is also identified as president of James Monroe University, another diploma mill."

Check out the guy's bio:

www.breyerstate.com/resume-dominick-flar...

How many bogus credentials can you spot?

Michael December 11, 2008 at 4:56 a.m.

*there=these
*oresident=president

Breyer "state" owner caught in Diploma Mill sting December 11, 2008 at 10:08 p.m.

7/28/08

Diploma mill degree recipients

Almost 10,000 people spent $7.3 million buying phony and counterfeit high school and college degrees from a Spokane diploma mill. The complete list of buyers, which the U.S. Department of Justice has refused to release to the public, has been obtained by The Spokesman-Review and published July 28.

www.spokesmanreview.com/data/diploma-mil...

Flarey, Dominick L United States PhD – St. Regis

Get the Facts, Not BSU December 13, 2008 at 3:44 p.m.

In October 2005, for the first time in the U.S., a federal grand jury returned a multicount indictment against eight people for the operation of an Internet-based diploma mill that defrauded "consumers worldwide."

Those indicted included former Spokane Realtor Dixie Randock, her husband, Steven Randock, and her associates who operated out of offices in Hillyard, Mead and Post Falls.

The Spokane-based operation raked in an estimated $4.7 million in sales of fraudulent college degrees, court documents say.

Four defendants have pleaded guilty, but Randock and her husband await trial next year on the charges, also including money laundering.

Hoaxy McScamalot December 15, 2008 at 12:49 a.m.

"City University-- Bellevue California Coast University---Columbia Pacific University--Youngstown State University

firtly, are there universities degree mills?
ANS: NON"

Google "Columbia Pacific" and you'll see it's also a blatant diploma mill, which makes at least 2 bogus degrees for (not)Dr. Flary

Columbia Pacific - Diploma Mill #2 for Flarey December 15, 2008 at 5:12 p.m.

Thanks for the anonymous quote vindicating Columbia Pacific, but the facts are otherwise, I especially like the Spanish "dissertation" approved by 4 people that don't speak the language:

www.ptreyeslight.com/stories/dec24/chile...

Chileno doctor in trouble over 'phony' university

Deputy Attorney General Asher Rubin blasts the school in his complaint, calling it "a diploma mill which has been preying on California consumers for too many years." The suit also calls Columbia Pacific a "phony operation" offering "totally worthless [degrees]...to enrich its unprincipled promoters."

• One master's-degree student was given credit for "a learning contract describing how he would continue taking dance lessons and watch dance demonstrations in order to improve his skills as a Country Western dancer."
• A Ph.D. dissertation written in Spanish was approved by four faculty who cannot speak the language.
• One dissertation "had no hypothesis, no data collection, and no statistical analysis. A member of the visiting committee characterized the work as more like a project paper at the college freshman level." The dissertation, The Complete Guide to Glass Collecting, was 61 pages long.

The state's case summarizes the university's alleged violations of the Education Code by noting there is "not even a semblance of compliance with the statutes which govern such institutions. The curriculum had no substance behind its lofty description; faculty was virtually non-existent; course work was laughable...degree requirements were routinely ignored..."

Diploma Mill 2 1/2 for Flarey December 16, 2008 at 2:49 p.m.

"City University-- Bellevue California Coast University---Columbia Pacific University--Youngstown State University

firtly, are there universities degree mills?
ANS: NON"

California Coast was part of a senate investigation on diploma mills, along with Kennedy-Western and Columbia State

See Senate Hearing: "BOGUS DEGREES AND UNMET EXPECTATIONS:
ARE TAXPAYER DOLLARS SUBSIDIZING DIPLOMA MILLS?"

I give only 1/2 star, since Cal. Coast seems to have cleaned up their act and gone legit within the last year or so.

Michael December 16, 2008 at 6:13 p.m.

this is a place for the BSU alumni and current students, if you want to insult people, you can go to your forums!!

Bunch of Talk December 17, 2008 at 6:42 p.m.

You know, I have sat here and read all of your comments from the top down. I hear time and time again how accredidation is not important. Well, try this on for size: 1) You cannot transfer your credits to a university which is accredited if yours in unaccredited, 2) you cannot work in any overseas location throughout the world in obtaining credentials (i.e. work VISA) from the embassy (i.e. Japan, Korea, etc) unless your degree is accredited and recognized by the DoE, 3) every hiring HR company seen in the past 15 years of my time has requested transcripts and accreditation requirements in qualification requirements. So, you may say accreditation is not needed, but I would rethink those statements...

To BSU Applicant: December 17, 2008 at 9:21 p.m.

DON'T!!! Avoid all the unverifiable baloney and look at the published facts in the list above.

1. BSU is directly called a diploma mill by several states including the one to most recently boot it.
2. In 2008 alone, there are several cases of "graduates" having to return pay raises and stop using "Dr." as a title since their degree wasn't legit.
3. Any competent HR department will pay $6 to determine if your degree is real, and BSU will be an epic fail.
4. The owner of this dump has two handfuls of fake degree himself.

Yep December 18, 2008 at 4:10 p.m.

"if you don't care about accreditation..."

I agree that if you have no intention of using your degree for employment, advancement, teaching, certification, or licensing, then by all means, go ahead.

Michael December 22, 2008 at 10:30 a.m.

You are right but you know...some persons don't get some profit by BSU as like they do with other universities(see:uop,strayer...etc) and so BSU is...dm!

I had a perfect experience with BSU.

Accreditation December 23, 2008 at 12:51 a.m.

Are you saying that all on-line schools without accreditation are diploma mills..? Why does the government keep letting this happen, if this is the case... I read that BSU is appealing the Alabama thing with the license, so if they had a LC in that state at one time, it must mean they passed something to get it, right..? I like the home page & it looks pretty legitimate, but I'm still a little hesitant & who should I check with to verify that they are a DM, as you say..? Michael said he liked BSU & has a BS in IT and had no problem with his work place...

Diploma Mill Tactics December 23, 2008 at 3:10 p.m.

"I read that BSU is appealing the Alabama thing with the license,"

There is no chance they win the appeal, if they are actually appealing. The state department of ed clearly calls them a diploma mill and lists their litany of abuses, such as selling degrees for "donations".

"so if they had a LC in that state at one time, it must mean they passed something to get it, right"

Nope, that was the problem. There was no review, no regulation. Just fill out a form, and you were technically state-licensed, just like opening a tatoo parlor, they just log it, but no standards, no review, 100% acceptance.

"I like the home page & it looks pretty legitimate, but I'm still a little hesitant & who should I check with to verify that they are a DM"

You can discover they are a diploma mill pretty quickly:

1. www.chea.org
2. Any one of a dozen states that list them as such
3. Read the Alabama letter throwing them out
4. National student clearing house has some good tools.
5. Google

OMG!! December 24, 2008 at 2:16 a.m.

I think we need our new president to have his education secretary & congress to regulate this type of operations, as I don't have the money to just throw away, only to find it was a waist.. whether substandard or mill, seems the two equal the same..? I can't move out of country, so you are lucky Michael your BS was accepted.. Why would BSU not be getting this fixed if they want to be a legitimate school..?

Mr.BSU December 26, 2008 at 11:02 a.m.

From: "David Kolenich, Ph.D." <deanfaculty@breyerstate.com>
To: XXXXXXXXXXXXX
Subject: Re: the appeals process
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:57:28 -0400

Hello XXXXX,

You are welcome. I just talked with our attorney firm. We did file an appeal with the Department of Education. This is a fact. Keep in mind, that the law in Alabama allows an appeal process but there is no timeframe
for the Department of Education to move forward.It is my understanding from our attorney firm that they are taking advantage of this law right now.
I have been told by our attorney firm, that the educational laws in Alabama have changed recently and are about to change again. The up coming changes
would require that any school licensed to issue degrees in Alabama must be regionally or nationally accredited. If this is so, then BSU will not be able to continue with the appeals process as we are not able to afford the
accreditation process--at least at this time.

Breyer State has not admitted to any of the violations from the department of education from Alabama. We were not aware of any of the violations when
they sent us the letter. If the state is going to require RA or NA accreditation, then we would not be able to go forward with the appeals process. I understand your feelings on being located in Alabama compared
to California. We are working on solving this problem. It is not something that can be done quickly.
Please let me know if you have anymore questions.
Thank you.

Warm regards,
David Kolenich Ph.D
Dean of Faculty
Breyer State University
deanfaculty@breyerstate.com
Phone: 310-242-5964
Fax: 310-242-5968

Mr.BSU December 26, 2008 at 11:10 a.m.

From: "David M. Kolenich, Ph.D" <deanfaculty@breyerstate.com>
To: "XXXXXXX
Subject: Re: recent situation of the school and a strategy for the future
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:58:32 -0500
Hi XXXXXX,

There is really no timeframe on the appeals process.
We should know something by the end of September.
We do plan on becoming a state licensed school in the future. After that we do have intentions of becoming an accredited university and changing the name, but these steps will not take place for at least another year. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you.

Warm regards,

David Kolenich Ph.D
Dean of Faculty
Breyer State University
deanfaculty@breyerstate.com
Phone: 310-242-5964
Fax: 310-242-5968

Mr.BSU December 26, 2008 at 11:19 a.m.

From: "Lynne Thrower" <lthrower@dpe.edu>
To: "XXXXXXX
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:04:06 -0500
Subject: Breyer State inquiry

Breyer State University requested a hearing on the decision of the Alabama Department of Postsecondary Education not to renew their license to operate in the State of Alabama. To my knowledge, no hearing has been conducted. However, we have not had any contact with either any representative of Breyer or the attorney who was representing Breyer in approximately three months.

It is our understanding the Breyer has left the State of Alabama and is currently operating in Los Angeles, California.

Lynne Thrower, J.D.
Director, Private School

Mr.BSU December 26, 2008 at 11:27 a.m.

From: "Ginger Smith" <gsmith@dpe.edu>
To: "XXXXXXXX
CC: "Lynne Thrower" <lthrower@dpe.edu>, "nancy.lacey@ache.alabama.gov" <nancy.lacey@ache.alabama.gov>, "Nettles, Deborah" <Deborah.Nettles@ache.alabama.gov>
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:41:44 -0500

Subject: RE: Private School License for Breyer State University-Alabama

The Alabama Department of Postsecondary Education in Alabama regrets any difficulties that you and other respective students may be going through because the Private School License for Breyer State University-Alabama was not renewed.
It is my intent to protect students working hard to pursue postsecondary degrees with only approving private institutions that offer quality education.
Unfortunately, Breyer State University had significant compliance issues with the principals and standards that are expected of each private institution. At this time, Breyer State University cannot confer degrees within Alabama. The institution has requested an appeal, and it is in the process of having an appeal hearing with the Department.The burden of a “rescue plan” as you have requested falls within the scope of Breyer State University. If students request a refund and it is not honored, the Department can assist in this process.

At this time, I do not have any information regarding the status of Breyer State University in Idaho.
Please contact the State of Idaho Department of Education for information regarding licensure and the ability to confer degrees in that state.

I wish you the best of luck in pursuing your endeavor of a doctoral degree.
The Alabama Department of Postsecondary Education iscommitted to requiring high standards for our public schools and maintaining the same standards for private institutions.

Bradley R. Byrne, Chancellor
Alabama Department of Postsecondary Education
Post Office Box 302130
Montgomery, Alabama 36130
334-242-2927 (telephone)
334-242-0214 (fax)

I'm with Stupid December 29, 2008 at 4:51 p.m.

"David Kolenich Ph.D"

Unfortunately, he is not a PhD, it's from Breyer State. See the academic credentials of the other Breyer State owner also.

How sad December 30, 2008 at 6:49 p.m.

"12/28/2008

"Teachers lose diploma-mill pay bump, Had used same school as superintendent"

Sad to see those we are supposed to admire for integrity and honesty caught in a diploma mill scam simply to increase their payrate.

?? December 31, 2008 at 8:19 p.m.

"If they did this, the degrees they have conferred to date would be void, as they no longer would be BSU"

They are all void and worthless as is. James Monroe University, Breyer State, and whatever else the owners want to change the name to next week.

Mr.BSU January 5, 2009 at 4:07 p.m.

I am a student of BSU. BSU is not
a degree or diploma mill,it is substandard school.

Michael January 5, 2009 at 8:48 p.m.

© 2008 Breyer State University
6080 Center Drive 6th Floor
Los Angeles, CA 90045
hours: Mon-Fri, 9 am to 5 pm EST
phone: 310-242-5964 • fax: 310-242-5968

BSU Degree On My Wall January 7, 2009 at 1:44 a.m.

I am a grad of BSU, along with another RA college. Both of my degrees look very nice hanging on my wall in my home office. I don't think anyone on this forum really knows what BSU will do in 2009 to address its critic's, so just like a soap opera, we will all just have to wait & see..
Some on this page, just like to be the Devils Advocate, and that will not change, as they feed on others misfortunes, etc. I must say the last person to post that they completed there MBA for a teaching job & was surprised when it was rejected by admin, what were they thinking..? MBA from an unaccredited college for advancement in teaching.. give us a break.. Is this a real post or the troll posting BS again..

Hoaxy McScamalot January 7, 2009 at 6:03 a.m.

"I must say the last person to post that they completed there MBA for a teaching job & was surprised when it was rejected by admin, what were they thinking..? MBA from an unaccredited college for advancement in teaching.. give us a break.. Is this a real post or the troll posting BS again"

Hate to let facts interfere with your rationalization, but just last week it turns out a total of 4 or 5 teachers and administrators at one school alone got busted for trying to pass off Breyer 'state' degrees for exactly that purpose, advancement in teaching.

12/28/2008

"Teachers lose diploma-mill pay bump, Had used same school as superintendent"

www.app.com/article/20081210/NEWS/812100......

Lots of options January 11, 2009 at 2:42 a.m.

"Why do we have to pay $30,000 to get an "acceptable" degree?"

There are dozens of reasonably priced and legitimate MBA's out there that are a fraction of the cost you quote.

If you are looking for distance learning options other than this bogus diploma mill and your main concern is that it is cost-effective, I would be glad to list some.

Peterson January 21, 2009 at 12:16 p.m.

The MBA program was quite nice.I had a very good experience (except the day that i failed on the online exams and I retook them a week later :p) updated books and nice curriculum. They did a lot of updates in their program and the courses are very interesting.

Michael January 21, 2009 at 6:11 p.m.

Mr. Malboro, this a review forum.If you want to insult the university you can contact them directly.Stop discouraging the future students.

Some guys like you were saying same things for University of Atlanta and now that they got DETC accreditation...they disappeared...

go to your preferred website to discuss for unaccredited uni's and DM.

Mr.BSU January 22, 2009 at 1:55 p.m.

Bacone college
JOHNSON, JUDITH Interim Instructor, English
BA (Northeastern State University)
MS (Northeastern State University)
Post Graduate Certificate (Breyer University, Alabama)

Mr.BSU January 22, 2009 at 2:36 p.m.

Dr. McGrail earned a BS degree from Cornell University and did graduate work in communication arts while serving as a commissioned officer and aviator in the United States Coast Guard. After distinguished careers in both military and commercial aviation and mass communications— film, television, and multimedia, he earned his certification in clinical hypnotherapy at the Hypnosis Motivation Institute , the nation’s first federally-accredited college of hypnotherapy. He graduated with honors and was the recipient of the Director’s Award for outstanding academic and clinical achievement. He was further honored with a special award for outstanding performance as an HMI clinical resident. He is frequently invited back as a guest lecturer and student career consultant. After HMI he went on to earn his PhD. in clinical hypnotherapy from Breyer State University in Los Angeles.

Diploma Mill News January 22, 2009 at 2:49 p.m.

"Dr. Cecil Holland & JOHNSON, JUDITH "

Sometimes the background checks are very lacking, as evidenced by the New Jersey prof who claimed a Breyer "State" Phd, and was ordered to cease and desist.

I am sure once that these places are made aware of the situation, action will be taken.

Personally, I don't believe that it is appropriate to "out" diploma mill holders in a public space such as this.

Mr.BSU January 22, 2009 at 3:06 p.m.

IMT India
A. T. K. Raman ,Professor
Area Chairperson (Marketing)
Ph.D. (Breyer State University),
Dip in MM(Panjabi University),
B.Tech.(IIT, Chennai).
0ver 37 years of Industry and teaching experience.
Areas of Interest : International Marketing; Distribution
Mgt; Global Sourcing; Export Management; B2B
Marketing & CRM.

Following your logic January 22, 2009 at 10:27 p.m.

Colby Nolan, MBA
I found a cat who received an MBA from Trinity Southern University.

Using your logic, I have deduced that Trinity Southern is a legitimate institution.

www.justnews.com/news/3976730/detail.htm...

Fraudfinder January 30, 2009 at 3:05 a.m.

View this article from FOX NEWS...it says it all about BSU!

www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/investigative/F...

?? January 31, 2009 at 4:08 p.m.

Are people that buy diploma mill degrees like this extremely naive and uniformed or just plain dishonest?

Stop It February 1, 2009 at 3:28 p.m.

That was inaapropirate to post on this site. Was it to garner sympathy for the above criticisms of Breyer State University?

Shame on you!

Don't waste your money February 3, 2009 at 2 a.m.

If you are desperate enough to consider buying one of these unlicensed, unrecognized degrees, let me know your major, there is a cheaper, and real university out there that I can point you to.

Fraud Fighter February 3, 2009 at 10:30 p.m.

Glad you asked before buying a Breyer "nostate" "degree". Depends on what type of degree you are looking at. But like I posted above, there are many, many, real and reasonably priced state schools out there, such as:

Chadron State - Nebraska - Online MBA

The calculator says $210 per credit for non-residents, 48 credits for an MBA, roughly $10,000 for the entire program. So if you are looking at a diploma mill on the cost factor alone, you may want to look at them instead.

Michael February 5, 2009 at 12:44 p.m.

Peko, where did you see that?Could you provide us please the source of this information?

thx

nitro February 6, 2009 at 1:57 a.m.

I think you are a physcopath who is fixated on BSU. To post personal family matters on a public forum such as the death of ones father is unacceptable & inexcusable. Someone like you needs a good ass kicking.... Get a life!!

Michael February 6, 2009 at 7:09 a.m.

"Diploma Mill Article on BS "u"" i think that the copy-paste of bulls@@@t in the forums is your job...

Go get a real degree February 9, 2009 at 5:25 a.m.

First of all, it would be "you're stupid", not "your stupid"

"Are you that stupid that you think BSU is the only school that gives credit for life/work experience"

Several other do, such as Rochville University, Warren National, etc. Among legitimate schools, it is rare, and an average award is 4-12 credits, not 50% of a degree.

Embry is a good school, but we're talking diploma mills here. If Embry accepts credits from unaccredited "colleges", that would be news, but their admissions site says no.

"In addition, the Feb 2007 story is a little out dated"

True, BS "u" is in a third state since then.

Michael February 9, 2009 at 6:08 p.m.

mistyped some words, I'm asking my apologizes...

Michael February 9, 2009 at 8:43 p.m.

"State of Alabama: selling doctorates for donations"

actually it's about HONORARY doctorates...it's not the same as a Ph.D...this is a non-academic degree award...

Michael February 10, 2009 at 7:33 a.m.

you don't want to understand but it's your problem...it is clear: everywhere the H.Doctorate is non-academic degree...it's clear and in english...

Breyer St. Fraud February 10, 2009 at 10:51 p.m.

Just google: "James Wasser, Breyer State University"
This is the High School Superintendent in New Jersey that had his EdD and "DR." status stripped from him because it was earned at Breyer State.

The state of New Jersey does not recognize BSU as a duly authorized institution. There a fraudulent entity. Anyone going there is either duped OR trying to get over on employers for promotions or pay raises.

Beware Breyer State University February 16, 2009 at 4:08 p.m.

Simple Answer:

Accreditation is Academic Quality Control. In the absence of such, there is no guarantee of the educational curriculum. Regional accreditation makes sure school curriculums comply with such educational mandates.

For instance: I could set shop up in my basement; call it some bullcrap university, and hand out bogus degrees. That technically is an unaccredited school.

I xcan't speak for all unaccredited schools, but Breyer State University is certainly bogus. Especially when the owner himself, has to accredit his own school with his own accreditation agency. True sign of a scam in the making.

GP February 17, 2009 at 8:07 a.m.

"Accreditation is the PRIMARY means of determining quality in US higher education"; I agree: accreditation is a respectable means of measuring quality in education; I am not against the accreditation process and I do not doubt that the work done by the regional accreditors is both serious and responsible. But, as you mention, it is the "primary" means (not the only one). Accreditation is based on certain rates (predictors) thus by definition it can (at best) predict quality not guarantee it (I hope you understand the difference).

Lastly, how can you judge the quality of what I know, the quality of my dissertation (which has been published in a very well-known and respected academic journal), how can you judge all the students of Breyer State University without any information regarding their coursework, assignments, textbooks, and exams? Have you done any research on that? No you have not done any serious research (if you have please let me know); I challenge you to compare 100 (MBA or Phd) dissertations from Breyer State University to another 100 dissertations (on similar subjects) from any other school in the country and if you manage to find any "statistically significant" differencies in quality (in terms of criteria set by you) then I will accept your hypothesis (that BSU is of lower quality). But if you fail to prove your assumptions then you have to apologize for the use of the words "bogus", "mill" for an institution which you ignore and you have never studied its curriculum and its procedures; an institution that offers education to all the people who otherwise would stay out of the system.

Michael February 17, 2009 at 11:51 a.m.

GP...

up!!!!

Johnny February 17, 2009 at 1:33 p.m.

Great post

up!!!!!!

pcncarolina February 17, 2009 at 5:18 p.m.

Side Note: I noticed someone here mentioning a list from Oregon, Texas, etc. Somewhere in my research I remember these lists containing a Swiss school called Robert Kennedy College. RKC has been listed as a top online MBA school and is affiliated with the University of Wales, UK (hopefully someone here knows of 200+ year old prestigious university). The reason “probably” is that the bureaucrat making the list doesn’t understand the way Switzerland licenses its tertiary institutions, very similarly to BSU.

Trudat February 17, 2009 at 6:39 p.m.

"It is however unfortunate that Dr. Kolenich is also part of the independent accrediting organization as that is an obvious conflict of interest."

Let's just call him Dave, he doesn't have a recognized PhD. Just an obvious attempt to mislead students. There is an excellent book called "Accreditation Mills" out recently that describes how they work.

www.aacrao.org/transcript/index.cfm?fuse...

"The market has proven itself to be the best quality control mechanism for as long as services have been rendered in exchange for currency"

I agree. And BS University would be a logical path for those unable to get into any other university.

Zano February 17, 2009 at 9:49 p.m.

Mr.Domenick Flarey is not an owner and the president of BSU any longer.
Mr.David Kolenichis is CEO of BSU.
Who is the president ?

pcncarolina February 17, 2009 at 11:27 p.m.

I thought this might be of interest here as it relates, in as unbiased manner as possible given the heated debate here, to "accreditation". It seems that even the mighty US government cannot figure it out.

O.K. since websites aren't allowed search Google for "accreditation guide" and look for a domain called degree.net

Sheeze, i see why more proof is not put here! Too restrictive for sound argumentation.

Thanks for the link February 18, 2009 at 1:09 a.m.

Thanks for linking degree.net, there is some good information on BS University there. This is a copy / paste, but is well researched.

(1) "Drs." Flarey and Kolenich have both been listed as fake-degree buyers in the public documents arising from the St. Regis scam. Not something you want to do, if you own/run a University.

(2) Three generations of self-concocted, bogus accreditation do not lend credence to ANY school.

(3) The school has been in Idaho twice. The first time, it was domiciled on a Native Reservation, beyond the reach of the white man's law even though neither the founder nor his wife were Native Americans. It never had state licensing from Idaho and in its second stay, it contravened Idaho legislation by operating from that state without proper authorization.

(4) BSU's Alabama troubles have been well-publicized. Well prior to non-renewal of its license, the Alabama authorities recommended that the school give up its "self-designed" degree programs and add general education courses (as would have been required for any legitimate accreditation).

(5) Breyer State invented itself a new "accreditor" and otherwise declined to co-operate. License renewal was subsequently withheld. So...back to Idaho (not the Reservation) and a brief period (weeks) of non-compliant operation there.

(6) Then, on to California, where there is no current legislation... and a third "accreditor." Although Dr. Flarey's name is no longer on the BSU site.

With this kind of mawkish muck-up and mockery, BSU's story might have made a hilarious-but-painful Three Stooges movie - "Dean Larry and Profs. Curly and Moe Run a College," perhaps.

Michael February 18, 2009 at 9:25 a.m.

I agree GP. In forums as like degree.net or ddiscussion, you can find everything. the university of Atlanta was recently for them as like BSU. Unaccredited,mill, substandard etc..now...it is a DETC accredited and none says about it. I think that the day where BSU will get an official accreditation or even an official authorization to issue degrees these persons should sh@ up.

GP February 18, 2009 at 7:03 p.m.

If you insist that BSU issues degrees for a fee why don't you try to buy one yourself to test your assumptions? Just ask them to sell you a degree to see what happens...
It is really sad that some people here cannot accept the facts: regional accreditation is not mandatory in the US and Schools are free to choose their accreditors. This is the truth; its a free country and a free market; you either accept it or not, but this is the truth; if you do not like it you can address your complains to the federal authorities and ask them to change the law; on the other hand, every State has the right to either accept a degree for XYZ University or not (this is the law again and we have to respect it).

Michael February 18, 2009 at 9:50 p.m.

from which university did this cat obtain that degree? you know? as an IT specialist I can compare you with a repeater...if you know what it is....

have a great day

BS University February 19, 2009 at 6:27 a.m.

"If BSU was a bogus school why did the State of Alabama award them a license in the first place? "

Easy answer. They had absolutely no regulation and no reviews, which is why diploma mills flocked there.

The minute Alabama did an inspection, they found BS University to be low quality and bogus (see the letter) and selling degrees for a fee, among other infractions.

Check out the latest diplomam mill to be booted by Alabama, Preston University. No equipment, no records, no courses, no anything, but managed to become licensed until inspected.

kouzoulos-BSU grad February 19, 2009 at 10:40 a.m.

Bibliography for my BSc in CS:

1.Introduction to Information Technology. Turban, E., Potter, R., and Kelly, R. John Wiley & Sons Publishing. 2008: ISBN # 978-0-470-27975-5

2.Information Technology for Management: Transforming Organizations in the Digital Economy. Turban, McLean, Weatherbe. Wiley; 6th edition (January 2, 2008): ISBN # 9780471787129

3. Designing the User Interface: Strategies for Effective Human Computer Interaction. Schneiderman, B. 4th edition. Addison-Wesley. ISBN # 0-321-19786-0

4.Object First with JAVA -A practical Introduction using BLUE J 3rd ed. David Barnes & Michael Kolling. Pearson Education. 2006: ISBN #9780131976290

5. Modern Database Management 8th ed. Jeffrey A Hoffer, Mary B, Fred R, F. Prentice-Hall. 2006: ISBN # 9780132212113

6.Systems Analysis and Design. Kendall, K. and Kendall, J. 6th edition. Prentice-Hall. 2005: ISBN # 131454552.

7. The Essential Guide to Computing: The Story of Information Technology by E. Garrison Walters. Pearson Education. August 2000. ISBN # 0130194697

8. Guide to Operating Systems. Michael Palmer and Michael Walters. Third Edition. Course Technology. ISBN: 0619-21347-7

9. Networking BASICS by Mark Ciampa. 2nd Edition. Course Technology. January 13, 2003. ISBN: 0-619-05582-0.

10: Guide to Telecommunications Technologies by Tamara Dean. Course Technology. October 14, 2002. ISBN: 0-619-03547-1.

11. Guide to Cisco Networking, Third Edition, Author: Kelly Cannon, Kelly Caudle, ISBN: 0-619-21346-9, Publisher: Thomson Course Technology

12.Software Engineering: Theory and Practice, Second Edition. Shari Lawrence Pfleeger. 2001: ISBN # 131469134

13. Software Quality Assurance: From Theory to Implementation. Daniel Galin. 2004: ISBN # 0-201-70945-7

14. Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach. Stuart Russell and Peter Norvig, Prentice Hall, 2nd edition, 2003:

15. Elaine Rich and Kevin Knight, Artificial Intelligence, Mc Graw Hill, 2nd Edition,

16. The Sciences of the Artificial. Herbert A. Simon, MIT Press, 3rd Edition (2nd printing)

17; Common Lisp: The Language. Guy Steele, Digital Press, 2nd Edition

plus the study guides that I had in the online classroom plus the advice/recommendation by my professor.

can you tell me if it is easy and bogus to clear at least 5 assignments for each course plus the final exams?Also to write down papers/projects for some courses + a thesis of 55 pages...

if all these are bogus and if it is the required work of a degree mill university, then...yes BSU is a mill!!!

the fact that BSU don't have general education courses in the BSc in CS program, doesn't make it bogus...

thx

kouzoulos February 19, 2009 at 12:53 p.m.

you know, I'm not negative to make a dialogue with people having opposite opinion, but they have to endorse it, not only to make a copy paste by a website, that gets me nervous. I'm bored reading fuzzy comments without endorsement...With the same skepticism I could say same things for other "accredited universities" as like phoenix or kaplan (that my girlfriend had a very bad experience) but I'm not doing that...I don't have profit neither from BSU nor from any other UNI. As i have already said, BSU is not HARVARD but neither rochville or almeda, ok? Is it clear?

If you want to be a big researcher in NASA, don't go in BSU, go to MIT... BSU has the same educational level as like pennfoster, ashworth (have experience from them)...etc...but unaccredited, it's the only negative point of them...I hope that one day they will apply as UoA did.

ps: sorry for my english...

Value of an Alabama License February 19, 2009 at 2:46 p.m.

Here is a very good and recent example of how little value you should hold for an Alabama license, and shows how non-existent "universities" were licensed:

Letter from Alabama shutting down the diploma mill Preston University, who was licensed in the state. Letter is dated 2/6/2009.

The Private School License staff visited the office on three separate occasions. During the on-site visits, it was determined that the location for the institution is based out a virtual office setting which is not staffed properly nor has any operating equipment, … and no up to date records were available for viewing”.

None of these objectives have been met successfully

A. School Purpose and Objectives
B. The Educational Program
C. Organization, Administration, and Fiscal Responsibility
D. Essential Documents
E. Student Records
F. Instructional Staff
G. Administrative and Supervisory Staff
H. Instructional Resources and Materials
I. School Policies
J. Site and Facilities
K. Admission and Student Services
L. Catalog, Bulletin, or Brochure Requirements

Other related finding:

• The admissions policies are not rigorous and are not acceptable.
• All assessment decisions are based on a fee for a diploma rather than class attendance, lecture participation and projects; no quantifiable tests are used to assess student and program effectiveness.
• Evidence has been received by the Department that Preston University issues Honorary Degrees for a fee.

The number of violations has been determined to be serious both individually and cumulatively.

It is required that Preston University cease and desist all operations in Alabama.

kouzoulos February 19, 2009 at 4:40 p.m.

(1) "Drs." Flarey and Kolenich have both been listed as fake-degree buyers in the public documents arising from the St. Regis scam. Not something you want to do, if you own/run a University.

FLAREY: Ph.D. Business Management. California Coast University, Santa Ana, California. 1992.
Dissertation: "The Social Climate Scale: A Tool for Analyzing Work Environments in a Health Care Setting."--->California Coast University (CCU) is a nationally accredited, distance learning private university that was established in 1973 and is located in Santa Ana, California

Kolenich: Ph.D. in Management with a Major in Food Service Management - Breyer State University - 2003 , ok, unaccredited Ph.d,

where is the bogus degrees?From where did they buy these degrees? can you tell us? can you show us where did you see that?

thx

GP February 19, 2009 at 6:26 p.m.

And one more word: I understand your scepticism regarding accreditation standards, procedures, etc. Also, I do respect your opinion, since it provides a different, though useful insight into the matters; but still, I am wondering: how can you judge everything and everyone with a 100% certainty. Accussing Dr Flarey, Dr Kolenich, the State of Alabama, Breyer State University, etc with no "hard evidence" is just a libel and nothing more. Finally, who are you? The "ultimate judge" of everything? Of course you can freely express your opinion (even if I don't like it) but the final judgement should be made by a Court of Law. You see there are hundreds of people (graduates of BSU) who have WORKED very HARD for their degree; also, there a lot of people who cannot attend a traditional, regionally accredited college (due to low income, social discrimination, handicapped people etc, working professionals etc); why don't you recognize the right of all these people to have access to education?

Owners Diploma Mill Degrees February 20, 2009 at 4:38 a.m.

"where is the bogus degrees?From where did they buy these degrees? can you tell us? can you show us where did you see that?"

7/28/08

Diploma mill degree recipients

Almost 10,000 people spent $7.3 million buying phony and counterfeit high school and college degrees from a Spokane diploma mill. The complete list of buyers, which the U.S. Department of Justice has refused to release to the public, has been obtained by The Spokesman-Review and published July 28.

www.spokesmanreview.com/data/diploma-mil......

Flarey, Dominick L United States PhD – St. Regis (The owners of this scam are now in jail)

Also see above for his degree from Columbia Pacific as noted in a newspaper article. This university issued:

• A Ph.D. dissertation written in Spanish was approved by four faculty who cannot speak the language.
• One dissertation "had no hypothesis, no data collection, and no statistical analysis. A member of the visiting committee characterized the work as more like a project paper at the college freshman level." The dissertation, The Complete Guide to Glass Collecting, was 61 pages long.

GP February 20, 2009 at 7:09 a.m.

Again do not confuse Columbia Pacific, Preston University, Regis etc, with BSU. Secondly, you refer to data and reports that I am not aware of and I cannot check there validity. So, if you have any Federal Goverment reports (specifically on BSU) please let us know; but please do not refer to media releases and journalist sources (you know that the media are continously making -up "scandals"). Again, I am open to your information; anything useful, coming from official sources could be presented here.

Nicolas February 20, 2009 at 9:22 p.m.

articles by "Dr" Go(g)llin....hahahhahahahhahahahhahahaha

Simple version with hints February 21, 2009 at 2:37 p.m.

"yet they do not refer specifically to Breyer State University; they mainly refer to Preston University"

Please reread a little closer,
#1 - Refers to the owners of Breyer State
#2 - Directly to Breyer State
#3 - This one is Preston, but shows the Alabama license.
#4 - Directly to Breyer State

"Regarding Breyer State University I wish to let you know that (a) they do not offer honorary degrees any more"

Please cite your source. The verifiable source on record says they do.

"if the State license issued from the State of Alabama was "academically meaningless", then why is it such a big deal that BSU lost this license"

Exactly. It never meant anything, but Breyer was making a big deal of it, so the point needed to be refuted.

"Wasser = ok, he had chosen an unaccredited school, but is this a crime"

I don't think it was illegal at the time, so it just comes down to an ethical issue. After he was investigated, he was stripped of the raise he had gotten for obtaining a PhD and was ordered by the State to cease and desist using "Dr." Not to mention the continuous calls for his resignation for dishonesty.

"Please note the detail: he did not buy a degree by no means (evidence for this comes from the assignments he presented in the court);"he completed extensive coursework plus a 150 pages dissertation"

Where does it say this? I don't see where he went to court. I also don't see his "disseration" on any of the academic sources that hold all disserations.

Concerned and Disgusted NJ Taxpayer February 21, 2009 at 9:14 p.m.

These are the NJ Statutes regarding Bogus Unaccreditted Degrees:

N.J.S.A. - 18A:3-15.1, "Deceptive Diploma Practice" This statute reads: "A person shall not with the intent to deceive, buy sell, make or alter, give, issue, obtain or attempt to obtain any diploma or other document purporting to confer any academic degree, or which certifies the completion in whole or in part of any course of study in any institution of higher education."

N.J.S.A. - 18A:3-15.2, "Use of a Fraudulent Degree" This statute reads: "A person or other legal entity shall not use, attempt to use, in connection with any business, trade, profession, or occupation, any academic degree or certification of degree or degree credit, included but not limited to a transcript of course work, which has been fraudulently issued, obtained, forged, or altered. A person shall not, with intent to deceive, falsely represent himself as having any such degree or credential."

N.J.S.A-18A:3-15.3, "Letter Designation Restricted" This statute reads: " A person shall not append to his or her name any letters in the same form designated by the Commission on Higher Education as entitled to the protection accorded to an academic degree unless the person has received from a duly authorized institution of higher education the degree or certificate for which the letters are registered. For the purposes of this section, a duly authorized institution of higher education means an in-state institution licensed by the Commission on Higher Education or an out-of-State institution, licensed by the appropriate state agency and regionally accredited or seeking accreditation by the appropriate accrediting body recognized by the Council on Postsecondary Education or the US Department of Education."

GP February 22, 2009 at 7:04 a.m.

As long as the taxpayers are concerned I agree that they do not have to pay Mr or Dr Wasser's education. I agree 100% with that point. Taxes should go for the betterment of education of our children, not serve the ambitions of working adults. But, would it be better if Wasser had registered to an accredited college thus having taxpayers pay 50,000 USD for his education (instead of 3,500 USD)? In addition, the decision of the Board regarding Wasser was that "...he had no intent to deceive..."; also he voluntarily returned the additional money received as a result of his degree (although he was not obliged to do so). To me, it's all about money. Accredited institutions cost 50,000 USD when you can have almost the same level of education at BSU for only 3,500-5,000 USD. You see, the difference is huge; After all, learning (at Masters or PhD level) is a matter of personal motivation, intelligence, and hard work; no institution guarantees knowledge; it is a personal challenge; the university's role is to provide guidance and verification of the knowledge one has received.

Are you serious February 22, 2009 at 3:22 p.m.

So we should take Breyer States website at 100% face value and completely ignore the Department of Justice and State of Alabama investigations that show what really goes?

"My self I had to prepare 8 assignments X 8 courses X 3000 words per assignment = 192000 words + 200 pages PhD dissertation"

Unfortunately, this "disseration" along with all other Breyer State papers are nowhere to be found. In the case of Wasser, they had an independent review of it, and it failed miserably at being an academic paper, despite an impressive sounding page count.

www.nje3.org/?p=1593

"also he voluntarily returned the additional money received as a result of his degree"

I don't call it voluntary when the State of New Jersey gets directly involved and there are hundreds of angry school district members at the meeting screaming for his resignation for faking a "PhD".

"Accredited institutions cost 50,000 USD when you can have almost the same level of education at BSU for only 3,500-5,000 USD"

Well, I don't think that intelligent, motivated people gravitate to the easiest, unrecognized, and cheapest education they can possibly get.

Tom,MD February 22, 2009 at 9:18 p.m.

Clayton College of Natural Health in Alabama( no accreditation from a CB recognized accreditor) was
allowed to rene their lisence in Alabama.
why is Clayton College of Natural Health not shut down ??

Idiocracy February 23, 2009 at 12:29 a.m.

"I will let you know where my dissertation is published"

Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and leave no doubt.

Kouzoulos February 23, 2009 at 12:52 p.m.

Are all unaccredited colleges degree mills?

Not all unaccredited colleges are necessarily degree mills in the traditional sense of the term. Some unaccredited colleges provide legitimate academic work. However, unless these colleges are approved by ODA, degrees from them cannot be used for public or licensed employment in Oregon. The reason is that state laws under which such institutions are approved vary markedly from state to state. Some states have high standards, some states have lax standards or no enforcement capability. Degrees from non-public institutions located in the latter states should be viewed with great caution unless the institution is accredited by a federally recognized accrediting entity.

source: hxxp://www.osac.state.or.us/oda/diploma_mill.html

GP February 23, 2009 at 5:14 p.m.

Wasser's dissertation: he probably sumbitted a low quality dissertation (I am not in position to judge this issue) but the FACT IS THAT HE DID SUBMIT A DISSERTATION (100 PAGES) THUS HE DID NOT BUY A DEGREE AS ACCUSED. Thus, the main argument of the opponents of BSU (that BSU is a degree mill that sells degrees for a fee) is rejected as invalid.

Academic criteria may vary from school to school and I suspect if we had an independent committee to examine a representative sample of dissertations from different schools in the country, a lot of those would fail to meet strict scientific/research criteria.

Everybody understands that BSU is neither Harvard nor Yale University, but still BSU students study the same textbooks, submit assignments and final dissertations. Thus, when accreditation is not important (due to the nature of one's profession -not requiring a license), BSU is a "value for money" choice. That's the whole thing.

GP February 24, 2009 at 5:46 a.m.

The more you continue your ironic comments the more prospective students are moving towards non-traditional unaccredited education...!

kouzoulos February 24, 2009 at 7:14 a.m.

Are all unaccredited colleges degree mills?

Not all unaccredited colleges are necessarily degree mills in the traditional sense of the term. Some unaccredited colleges provide legitimate academic work. However, unless these colleges are approved by ODA, degrees from them cannot be used for public or licensed employment in Oregon. The reason is that state laws under which such institutions are approved vary markedly from state to state. Some states have high standards, some states have lax standards or no enforcement capability. Degrees from non-public institutions located in the latter states should be viewed with great caution unless the institution is accredited by a federally recognized accrediting entity.

source: hxxp://www.osac.state.or.us/oda/diploma_mill.html

Just the facts February 24, 2009 at 2:39 p.m.

"Being generally negative is not a sign of academic or professional integrity."

Citing verified facts, all published and well-documented. Unfortunately, it's the facts that are very negative to BS University.

"BSU is a "value for money" choice"

Anecdotal stories aside, there still has been no evidence to exactly what value it does provide. Even in the states where it is not illegal, it will not qualify you for licensing, higher ed, military, grad school, or employment.

GP February 25, 2009 at 8:58 a.m.

N.B.: For further research on the matter of “adverse impact” or “disparate impact” (substantially different rate of selection in hiring, promotion, or other employment decision which works to the disadvantage of members of a certain group) one can search the Griggs et al. v. Duke Power Co. (401 US 424, 1971) a court case argued before the United States Supreme Court on December 14, 1970. (Duke Power Co. had a requirement of a high school diploma or a minimum score on an IQ test for positions in areas other than the Labor department, thus resulting in the exclusion of African-Americans…).

Also see: Cascio, W. F., & Aguinis, H. (2005). Applied Psychology in Human Resource Management (6th ed.). New Jersey: Pearson Prentice Hall.

Roger that March 1, 2009 at 3:16 a.m.

If you wish to get a college education, but cannot afford college, then you are a perfect candidate to receive one of the many, many forms of college assistance out there. Take a look at US News & World Report College Guide and you will see that many colleges will cover close to 100% of your financial need.

Breyer (which?) State does not meet anything resembling a quality standard which is why it will not be useful for anything.

GP March 2, 2009 at 5:13 p.m.

Again and again the same "arguments": "Breyer State University is not good". Why? "Because it is not accredited...". "Why is it not accredited?". "Because it is not good"(!)

No real arguments, nothing to say about curriculum, textbooks, assignments, faculty etc. Why? Because BSU is exceptionally good on these dimensions.

BSU provides top educational quality at an affordable price, a fact that all BSU students testify.

kouzoulos March 2, 2009 at 10:40 p.m.

I repeat the some thing as many people in this forum do:

Are all unaccredited colleges degree mills?

Not all unaccredited colleges are necessarily degree mills in the traditional sense of the term. Some unaccredited colleges provide legitimate academic work. However, unless these colleges are approved by ODA, degrees from them cannot be used for public or licensed employment in Oregon. The reason is that state laws under which such institutions are approved vary markedly from state to state. Some states have high standards, some states have lax standards or no enforcement capability. Degrees from non-public institutions located in the latter states should be viewed with great caution unless the institution is accredited by a federally recognized accrediting entity.

source: hxxp://www.osac.state.or.us/oda/diploma_mill.html

GP March 3, 2009 at 6:56 a.m.

The J.Wasser case proves nothing about the credibility of Breyer State University which was legally operating at Alabama when Wasser graduated.

Controversies can be found regarding any institution.
For instance, with regard to the regionally accredited Capella University, one can find in Wikipedia:

"In 2006 a compliance audit was commenced by the United States Department of Education, Office of the Inspector General (OIG) focusing on the university's policies and procedures concerning the return of Title IV funds as required by Federal Law for students who failed to give official notice that they were withdrawing from the school. The audit was completed March 12, 2008. For the three year audit period (2002-2003, 2003-2004, 2004-2005) the total amount of Title IV funds that was not returned for students that withdrew without providing official notification was approximately $588,000. The OIG audit found that:

"for the 2002-2003 through 2004-2005 award years, the University did not comply with the provisions of the law and regulations governing the return of Title IV, HEA program funds and FFEL and Pell disbursements."

The OIG also found that Capella made accounting mistakes in how it calculated student eligibility for government-subsidized loans, including failing to return all funds disbursed on behalf of students who dropped out before their first day of class".

Source:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capella_University

Conclusion: do not base your judgements of Schools on distinct incidents. Capella is a reliable, regionally accredited university; if you focus on this incident you discredit the School. The same is true with Breyer State University; a reliable, privately accredited school.

Phoney BSU March 3, 2009 at 3:12 p.m.

myfoxny.com/dpp/news/investigative/Fox_5_Investigates_School_Officials_Phony_Degree

GP March 3, 2009 at 4:26 p.m.

..."how in the world does the fact that Capella (1 of thousands of real universities) was in non-compliance for a time, somehow make BS "university" legitimate?...

This fact does not make itself BSU legitimate but proves that you should not believe everything that you read ....
And that by citing various sources does not mean that you have discovered the truth...

Here is another example of how good schools like the Uni of Phoenix (reliable and regionally accredited) have had their problems too:

"Legal issues
The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission settled a second sekual harassment claim against the school for $225,000 in August 2007.
In September 2004, the university paid a settlement of $9.8 million to the United States Department of Education for alleged violations of the Higher Education Act provisions which prohibit distributing financial incentives to admission representatives.
A 2003 federal whistle-blower/false claims lawsuit accuses the company of fraud in obtaining hundreds of millions of dollars in financial aid. It is set for trial in September 2009. The school counters that the lawsuit is a legal manipulation by two former university employees over a matter previously resolved with the U.S. Department of Education.
The university has had various labor and government regulatory related issues"

source:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Phoenix

Conclusion: University of Phoenix is good, reliable, and accredited school; do not take for granted whatever you read; legal issues may arise with all business/educational entities, so what?

GP March 4, 2009 at 6:06 a.m.

1) Breyer State University student/graduate testimonials
that it is a great School=1000

Breyer State University enemies= YOU+certain Journalists

2) My arguments are not irrelevant, they prove the very fact that even regionally accredited
(and expensive) Schools do have legal issues to be resolved....

3) Wikipedia is quite reliable; they base what they publish on reliable sources cited in their page.

4) As you see, it is quite easy to construct "black" lists if you wish.

5) Are you a sales rep. of another
educational company, or what?

BS Diploma Mill March 4, 2009 at 2:45 p.m.

"My arguments are not irrelevant, they prove the very fact that even regionally accredited (and expensive) Schools do have legal issues to be resolved...."

So if a handful of 10,000 accredited schools have trouble, you want to attribute all of those bad aspects to ALL schools?

So anything negative aspect of any unaccredited school can be attributed to BS University also? Do you want to argue it that way?

Let's stay on point here, there are specific, verified facts on BS University that nobody has even tried to refute:

Point: Breyer State Leaders sport diploma mill degrees themselves.
Source: The U.S. Department of Justice.

Point: Breyer State sells degrees for a fee, and other observations in letter from regulators.
Source: Alabama Department of Postsecondary Education

Point: The “state licensure” that Breyer State briefly held is academically meaningless. A great example is last weeks notice regarding Preston University, who was also licensed in Alabama. They had no staff, no operating equipment, no student records, etc.

Source: Alabama Department of Postsecondary Education

Point: Many states classify Breyer State as a Diploma Mill and degree buyers are told to cease and desist.

Source: The New Jersey State Commission on Higher Education and others

"Wikipedia is quite reliable"

Wow, even high school kids are not allowed to quote wikis as a source, but probably ok for BS "dissertations"

"As you see, it is quite easy to construct "black" lists if you wish"

Please let me know what blacklist Capella or UOP are on? BS University is on many many.

?? March 4, 2009 at 5:09 p.m.

So you cannot point to where they are blacklisted. I checked all the state lists just to be sure.

UOP is a recognized unversity, but not respected, which is not new information.

But enough random discussions about unrelated universities. What about the facts on BS University?

GP March 4, 2009 at 6:29 p.m.

Let me confess something: do you know what I did like
about BSU? The fact that they did NOT call me when I
applied...

Instead, Sales reps. from the other "accredited" schools
called me within 24 hours to sell me their 50,000 USD
educational programs...

Diploma Mill March 4, 2009 at 9:16 p.m.

"Official sources and lists do not mention words like "diploma mill", "fraudulent" etc"

Please try to do 30 seconds of research before posting. Just to name a few:

Texas calls BS "u" - "fraudualent or substandandard"

Alabama called it a diploma mill in the letter ejecting it from their state.

State of New Jersey - called it a diploma mill and worse when they looked in Wassers degree.

GP March 5, 2009 at 5:53 a.m.

So, you don’t like my wikipedia sources. OK, what about those sources (US dept of education):

Final audit report from the United States Department of Education (Office of Inspector General): …”The University did not return all funds disbursed on behalf of students who dropped before the first day of class of the payment period… As a result, for the2002-2003 through 2004-2005 award years, the University returned to the Title IV, HEA programs about $588,000 less than it should have returned”.

source: www.ed.gov/about/offices/list/oig/auditr...

“..according to a recent report by the National Center for Education Statistics another office of the United States Department of Education, Capella admits 100% of all applicants to their undergraduate programs..”

source: nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=capella+university&s=all&id=413413

Go to college, don't buy a fake degree March 5, 2009 at 6:56 a.m.

"WHERE DID YOU SEE THE WORDS “diploma mill” or “fraudulent”?"

Right above the list that includes Breyer State of course!

"Fraudulent or substandard degree" means a degree conferred in Texas in violation of the Texas Education Code"

“..according to a recent report by the National Center for Education Statistics another office of the United States Department of Education, Capella admits 100% of all applicants to their undergraduate programs..”

Post this on the Capella board, or if you are trying to make a point, explain the 10 leaps of logic we need to take so that it somehow disproves all the verified evidence on BS "university"

GP March 5, 2009 at 8:51 a.m.

Yes, the Texas State law prohibits the use of unaccredited degrees. This is true. We know this. But this does not mean that BSU is fraudulent, it means exactly what it says: not accepted in Texas. That's all. I'll give you an example (so that even your cat understands: Consider the case were somebody graduates from ABC University of a non-US country as a medical doctor; although his degree is not recognized-accepted to practice medicine in the USA due to different licensure requirements; this does not imply that either the guy or the university is fraudulent. Understood now?). Every State has the right to accept or not degrees according to specific standards.

Do you actually know what diploma mill means? It means that somebody prints a degree on a home-printer and then sells it to you for a fee. This is the definition of a fake, fraudulent degree. Breyer State University has nothing to do with this! Believe it or not, students have to do HARD WORK in order to get this degree that you do not respect...

"Right above the list that includes Breyer State of course!". Not true. Above is a general introduction to the problem that does not refer specifically to BSU.

The point I wish to make (by referring to Capella),is this: even accredited schools have problems (accused for financial fraud of 500,000 USD). As long as regional accreditation is in fact private accreditation (not enforced by the US goverment or the Dept. of Education) the added value of any type of accreditation, in my view, is questionable (although the marketing value is high!).

GP March 5, 2009 at 5:39 p.m.

"Businesses such as BS University and Kennedy Western fall
into the "little work" category."

How do you measure work? In terms of pounds, kilos,
acres, or thousands of words written in assignments?
And how can you tell that BSU requires "little work".
Have you done any comparative study on that?
Or do you just rely on your gut feelings?
May be you say: if an accredited degree requires 10 pounds
of work then Almeda should require 0-1 pounds and BSU 4-5 pounds...(!)
Is that the way you weight education?

IN FACT, BSU REQUIRES HEAVY, HARD, AND MEANINGFUL WORK,
THAT IS WHY IT IS A VALUABLE SCHOOL!

How do you know, what I know in my field of study? You don't!
You just hypothesize for the sake of your arguments..
Is this your scientific method?

Me March 5, 2009 at 11:36 p.m.

"And it is not a Breyer or Capella or accreditation
problem"

Actually Capella has met or exceeded many quality and educational requirements, BS University has done the opposite, been ejected for failure to meet state licensure (a much much lower standard), so you cannot group them together.

"So, how can actually a good student/graduate prove his/her
abilities?"

Excellent question. If you look at a college guide such as Princeton, you can see the average ACT / GPA of students admitted to say, Stanford, and know that they are already in the Top 1% of students (so far), since it is so difficult to get in. Individual success may vary, but it is a good proxy.

Then, in the Stanford example, there are also, 2nd tier, 3rd tier, 4th tier, schools in the rankings. Then the unranked. I don't see BS University in my copy anywhere.

There is a strong correlation to the tier rank of a college and future earnings (for 1 example). Of course there are always occasional outliers.

GP March 6, 2009 at 6:16 a.m.

Ok, these are real criteria.

But, take my case: I have a 3.65 GPA Bachelor degree
from a reputable and regionally accredited college,
also I hold an MBA, also from a regionally accredited
University, plus 15 years of relevant work experience,
plus several articles, books, plus satisfied customers...

Then I make up my mind to pursue a PhD degree because
I wish to expand my knowledge horizons and because
I want to up-date what I've learned (I'd received my
Bachelor's degree 20 years ago -I am not that young...).

So, I turn on my computer, I search the web and
I discover Breyer State University which meets my
personal, academic, and professional needs.

Unaccredited (but I do not need a license); although it
provides challenging courses and appears to be well
organized; also it is affordable (value for money).

At the same time, I read a lot of blogs as well as other
sources from which it becomes clear that distance learning
education (in general) is not taken very seriously both
within academic and business circles (testimonials
on this matter also available elsewhere on this site).

But, I have to follow a distance learning program, since
I am working full-time, I have a family to look after
and so on. Given the fact that distance learning education is
viewed by many as mere "correspondence schools"
why should I spend my money for a degree from
Capella or Walden or Whatever University which is going
to be heavily criticized anyway (by many HR managers,
university professors etc.).

Also, I notice that Breyer State University has a State
license from the State of Alabama. So, I enrol to the
School (BSU). (Please notice, that according to my degrees
and GPAs, I could have been accepted by most US Schools...)

How do you expect me to know that BSU's license is an
"academically meaningless" one (according to you)?
Am I responsible for this? And, can I be held responsible
for the State's decision to change the rules overnight thus
leaving unsuspected students to the darkness of criticism?

GP March 6, 2009 at 6:37 a.m.

"There is a strong correlation to the tier rank of a college and future earnings (for 1 example).
Of course there are always occasional outliers."

This is true! But, you know why? Not because of the
School (ok, a good school is important to a certain
extent) but because GPA is linked to general intelligence (g),
which in turn is linked to academic achievements,
career development, salary etc. In fact, general
intelligence has been found to be the most valid
predictor of success in many many occupations ranging
from police officers to CEOs.

GP March 6, 2009 at 11:24 a.m.

I have no relationship with BSU (apart from
the fact that I've graduated from this School).

I have the right to defend myself and my
decision to choose BSU for my studies.

You have the right to defend your positions.

J. Wasser is responsible for his own decisions,
the court will judge the legitimacy of his actions.
Until then, it is unethical to pre-judge and condemn
a man for his decision to study (in my view).
Probably his only mistake was that he should have
first checked with his employer before submitting
his degree for salary increase. Anyway, this
Wasser story was overepresented by the Media;
voters were told that "superintendent H. James Wasser
used a fraudulent degree to get a salary raise", therefore
they reacted accordingly...

There are good schools and bad schools, accredited
and non-accredited ones; you can accept a degree
or not; people are free to choose what and where
they will study; this is democracy ...

kouzoulos March 6, 2009 at 6:38 p.m.

suit them??? why? did they cheat you?

Dr. Profess Patrick Star, PhD March 6, 2009 at 6:50 p.m.

On BS "university" professors: "Most of them hold PhDs from accredited universities"

A/K/A A whole slew of them hold bogus degrees.

GP March 7, 2009 at 7:34 a.m.

What are your motives? Why do you
consistently accuse BSU ?
Is your objective to prevent all
prospective students from attending BSU?
Or may be to re-direct them to Capella or
Whateverelse University that happens to
be accredited? Is that your goal?
What you wish to accomplish?, let us know...

We all know that BSU is non-regionally
accredited, a fact that imposes certain
limitations if one wishes to practice a
licensed profession. On the other hand,
BSU student/graduate testimonials are excellent,
supporting that it is a decent, well-organized School,
where you can gain significant knowledge
thus enhancing your personal and professional
horizons.

With regard to employers: tell
them the truth: "I have graduated from
a non-accredited School, where I've learned a lot,
so I am confident I can contribute to your work
thus becoming a top employee in your company...".
By telling the truth at the end you win,
because people can trust you.
If Capella, Walden, or even Stanford, Harvard
are better Schools let their graduates prove
their abilities on-the-job (in the market/workplace).

And let me tell you something that comes from
what I've learned during my MBA studies, (it is
called target-marketing strategy): Students who
wish to go to Breyer they will go to Breyer, the
ones who want to go to Capella will do so; they
are different "products" aiming to different
markets. If I have 50,000 USD to spend for my
education, I know where I should go to study...

But from any point-of-view, slender
is a bad marketing/communication
strategy, that in the long-term backfires to those
who engage in such practices.

kouzoulos March 7, 2009 at 9:26 a.m.

GP, your last message did hurt "Mr/Dr"...G..O..g..L..L..I..N...

BSU March 8, 2009 at 10:25 a.m.

Boy...does this ever sound like the definition of Breyer State University.

GP...feel cheated?...lol

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diploma_mills

Kouzo March 8, 2009 at 3:09 p.m.

And you would say that DOESN'T fit the definition of Breyer State??? Give me a break! Its a diploma mill.

Dr. Profess Patrick Star, PhD March 8, 2009 at 4 p.m.

"Why do you insist on your opinions?"

The forum is to debate the merits or lack thereof. I really don't have an opinion, just citing verifiable facts about this particular "university" that anyone with 15 minutes and Google can discover. The facts are very damaging to anyone trying to represent Breyer State as legitimate. And nobody even tries to rebut them. Anecdotes are nice, but there is a preponderance of evidence that says the exact opposite.

"With regard to employers: tell them the truth: "I have graduated from a non-accredited School, where I've learned a lot, so I am confident I can contribute to your work thus becoming a top employee in your company...".

I applaud your courage in this approach, really. But for all of the organizations I have done HR / Background consulting with, nobody is even considered with a Breyer State / Rochville / Warren National degree.

GP March 8, 2009 at 5:14 p.m.

"...I really don't have an opinion, just citing verifiable facts "..."

I don't know how old you are, but myself I am 45 years old;
I have learned to study the sources and then to develop
my own opinion; If you just cite what other people (no matter
how reliable they are) say, you will never have
your own opinion ... If you really hold a PhD (which I
believe you do) you should try to discover the truth
yourself (this is what science is about, not a "copy/paste"
process, but an exercise of synthesizing existing knowledge
towards the development of new ideas and theories...).
Otherwise, people would still believe
that earth is flat...

GP March 8, 2009 at 6:24 p.m.

Further elaboration:

Common law fraud has nine elements: (1) representation of an existing fact; (2) its materiality; (3) its falsity; (4) the speaker's knowledge of its falsity; (5) the speaker's intent that it shall be acted upon by the plaintiff; (6) plaintiff's ignorance of its falsity; (7) plaintiff's reliance on the truth of the representation; (8) plaintiff's right to rely upon it; and (9) consequent damages suffered by plaintiff.

source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud

In our case, a claim of fraud could be established if:

1) the university claims (or implies) regional accreditation while this is not true (it actually lacks accreditation from a recognized accreditor). This is NOT the case with Breyer State University, since it is clearly stated on their site that "...Breyer State University is not accredited by an accreditation agency approved by the U.S. Department of Education...". You have to be blind if you cannot read this...

or

2) The candidate (for a job) declares that he/she has graduated from an accredited university, while he/she is fully aware of the fact that this is not true. Also, the candidate does so on purpose, in order to deceive the prospective employer thus producing damages to the employer (or to other candidates applying for the same position).

Moral: It does not matter what degree you get, but how you use it!...

Sorry, no March 9, 2009 at 12:47 a.m.

"If you have done consulting work, you should know that an employer does not give a s...t for the name of the university"

But all require an actual college degree though as a screen. Those that meet that minimum qualification are then evaluated on their merits.

"case #2) a guy shows up with an unaccredited degree and tells you the truth. Suggested action: hire him! This guy will work honestly for your company!"

Sorry, does not meet the minimum requirements to be considered for the position. There are dozens of other applicants that have the same or better experience and a college degree. Thanks for applying.

"source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud"

Just shaking my head.

"Finally, is BSU a diploma mill?"

All evidence says yes. Illegal in many states. Selling degrees for a fee. "graduates" ordered to cease and desist. All documented many times. That's just the hard evidence.

Throw in the self-accreditation owned by the owner, the number of dubious degrees held by "faculty" as the soft indicators.

"BSU offers quality education"

Still waiting for any type of shred of evidence to this end. So far we have the BS University website and a couple anecdotal stories...

Article on Breyer State University March 9, 2009 at 6:06 a.m.

"Shameful Diploma Scam"

www.nje3.org/?p=1648

kouzoulos March 9, 2009 at 11:43 a.m.

again and again same article, same posts and same persons...you're so boring man!

Even if its is a scandal for this superintendent H. James Wasser, I can show you in many European universities even American, which some persons had cheat(J.Wasser didn't cheat but...) with their professors (or in exams) and they obtained a degree, is that a reason to say that these universities were/are "dm"?

Now, you give us a break...you like posting and C&P in forums, that's all, stop flooding in these forums...now we know who you are, just go to your DD forum and let us in peace..

GP (re: dissertation) March 9, 2009 at 4:28 p.m.

It is at the final stage for publication.
(believe it or not I have done serious
research work...). I will let you know
(fortunately, research articles are assessed
on a blind review basis, thus the name
of the University is not important...)

Graduates from unaccredited universities
are neither illiterate nor uneducated.

GP: So, are you going to hire me ? March 9, 2009 at 4:43 p.m.

Do you like my qualifications?
The way I am writing?
My deductive reasoning skills?
My commitment and persistence?
So, are you going to hire me
Mr/Dr Background checker?

GP March 10, 2009 at 6:15 a.m.

1) Thanks for your nice comments.

2) American Psychological Association. (2001). Publication manual of the American Psychological Association (5th ed.). Washington, DC: Author.

On my desk already; actually all BSU assignments are
required to comply with the APA style.

3) Dr. Dominick L. Flarey, Ph.D., California Coast University, Santa Ana, California. 1992.
Dissertation: "The Social Climate Scale: A Tool for Analyzing Work Environments in a Health Care Setting."

Note: California Coast University is accredited by the Accrediting Commission of the Distance Education and Training Council (DETC), a recognized member of the Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA).

4) Indicative BSU faculty:
Evelyn Giddens, Ph.D., MA - Doctor of Philosophy, Psychology, Educational Psychology, Developmental Psychology - Capella University - 2005

Kathleen M. Hargiss, Ph.D., University of South Florida -The University of South Florida is accredited by the Commission on Colleges of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools

Alessia Genziana Lay, Psy.D- Argosy University (former ISPP), APA approved - Chicago, Illinois Doctoral Degree (Psy.D) in Clinical Psychology

Troy Milliken, Ph.D. Education: PhD Polymer Chemistry, University of Massachusetts, 1994.

Grace Onodipe, Ph.D., MA, Education: The Ohio State University, Columbus OH - Ph.D., Agricultural Environmental & Development Economics, June 2003.

Theresa A. Walls- Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine Degree from Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine.

Random Sample! March 11, 2009 at 1:48 a.m.

"Dr. Dominick L. Flarey, Ph.D.," Ahh, this is the guy with the diploma mill credentials. St. Regis (owners are in jail), & Columbia Pacific (A Ph.D. dissertation written in Spanish was approved by four faculty who cannot speak the language) Hehe

And speaking of statistical sampling, you are citing only the "faculty" with legitimate credentials, while avoiding the majority that have Breyer State, St. Regis, Canyon College, and other dubious "Phd"s. Can you calculate the odds of that for us? LOL.

Well March 11, 2009 at 2:39 p.m.

"Though your selective use of media presentations"

All media presentations are fact checked and sourced from independent parties. Feel free to point to all the glowing articles on Breyer State, we will give them equal weight.

GP to "fraudfinder" March 11, 2009 at 7:03 p.m.

"This has to be among the best:..."

Why do you consider this as "the best"?

Let us know your interpretation of
what we can see in this report ...

(I ask this question, because different people
may "see" different things according
to what they have already in mind/expect to see...).

Fraudfinder March 11, 2009 at 7:45 p.m.

The web site is posted; the name of the investigative reporter is there for all to see. Contact them yourselves. I'm sure if there wrong, the good Dr. Wasser..ahem...Mr. Wasser, will sue for slander. I have yet to see that happen; therefore, THE TRUTH HURTS!

Duh March 12, 2009 at 2:09 a.m.

Google: "Breyer State University" If there are no "positive" articles--then there are no positive articles!

GP March 12, 2009 at 7:46 a.m.

“….Let me tell you who I am. I'm a 20 year veteran of college teaching. I'm a pretty big shot at my college. I've served as department chair and on many dissertation committees. I know this business very well. And what I've seen through the years is not what the university system would have you believe. I've seen many students think they've gotten an education when actually they've gotten an indoctrination-a brainwashing-into their professors' political belief system. They've gotten not more knowledge and skills, but a lot of theory-which is practically useless in the real world-and skills in taking tests, which doesn't translate into on-the-bob skills or experience. They've spent 4,5,6 years or more and tens of thousands of dollars to get this brainwashing and test taking ability. What a cost to pay. I often tell my students what they're losing by being in college, but the administration invariably hears about it and gets mad at me…..”

Note: this article was not written by me. It belongs
to an anonymous college professor...

Errrr March 12, 2009 at 1:20 p.m.

"Feel free to point to all the glowing articles on Breyer State, we will give them equal weight."

Anonymous blog posts? Apparently there is nothing out there.

GP March 12, 2009 at 6:05 p.m.

"Please review the section on sources and citing."

You are right! But, we are not writing a dissertation here!...
I have to tell you, that I do NOT share the opinions expressed
in this article posted by the "anonymous professor".
My beliefs are much more conservative...

Although, I wanted to point out how easy it
is to find negative comments and articles virtually on any issue ....

GP March 13, 2009 at 7:23 p.m.

Come on...
Again and again, the same story whether BSU
is legitimate or not. If Freud was alive,
he would call this obsession of yours as a
"displacement" of unsatisfied instinctual
unconscious agressive drives...

Of course Breyer State University is 100% legitimate!

It has been legally operating in Alabama until 2008,
(having a state license) and then it moved to the State
of California where it is currently legally operating.

If you are still in doubt, why don't you contact
the Attorney General of State of California to obtain
an official answer?

GP March 15, 2009 at 6:06 a.m.

What relevant facts?

For instance, that Alabama decided to change its
regulation policies? Is Breyer responsible for this?

Or the J Wasser's story, which is only relevant to
the State of New Jersey and its residents? (If
I live in Southern Mongolia, why should I comply
with the New Jersey laws/restrictions?)

You see, what is "relevant" depends on various
factors...

Again, why do you care so much?

GP March 16, 2009 at 6:53 a.m.

"...how academically meaningless their Alabama license was.."

Regardless of the license's academic meaning (or absence of meaning as you said), a State license still implies that the State is fully aware of the fact that an institution is operating within the paricular State and also that the State allows the institution to do so. This is what I understand by the term "license". Do you understand a different thing? This is also what J Wasser thought when he enrolled to BSU. Simple as that: He saw the State license, he interpreted that this is an official State approval to operate, thus he decided to pursue a degree.

Then, the State of Alabama changed its laws overnight. BSU was thus forced to look for another place to continue operating legally. Let me give you an example: Assume that you operate a "'French restaurant" in Alabama, when suddenly the law changes so that it is required that you should employ a full-time French chef as a head of your kitchen in order to be able to be called "French" restaurant. What are you going to do? You are loosing your customers... You are not given the appropriate time to actually hire a French cook; besides, it would be very expensive; only the big restaurant companies can afford it. So, you make up your mind to pack and move to another State where a French chef is not a prerequisite for a French restaurant to operate. Finally, you find yourself in California where there is no such requirement, thus you continue operating your restaurant legally ...If you replace the word "French chef" with the word "regional accreditation" and the word "French restaurant" with the word "University" you have the story of BreyerSU. Being non-regionally accredited does not imply bad quality of education, as in the case of the restaurant the fact that you don't have a French chef does not mean that you do not serve nice and healthy dishes...

No surprise inspection March 16, 2009 at 6:42 p.m.

"Then, the State of Alabama changed its laws overnight."

Not exactly. The quality standards didn't change. They just stopped waiving the review process for everyone. So when the Prestons and Breyer State's actually got their first and last review, ouch!

There was about 18 months notice prior to the review. An article titled "State’s Diploma Mills Draw Academic Ire" (Tuscaloosa News) was published in 2/2007 regarding the upcoming reviews and the fearless owner of Breyer State is quoted several times, including the fact that he was welcoming the review.

GP March 16, 2009 at 7:27 p.m.

"...There was about 18 months notice prior to the review..."

To be frank with you, I am not aware of these (important) details....
You may be right! Or you may somehow have access to information I ignore...

Although, as a student/graduate of BSU I didn't notice any "rats"
or any "Chef from McDonalds"...! What I have experienced was decent
education that helped me reached my personal goals.
Believe it or not, this is my own testimony...

Good for you March 17, 2009 at 5 a.m.

"What I have experienced was decent education that helped me reached my personal goals. Believe it or not, this is my own testimony..."

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, let's just leave it at that though. Trying to make it into something fantastic that is widely accepted is where the problems arise, since every published account of it is the opposite.

I think everyone is fine with "It was inexpensive, I learned a lot, it worked for me, but it won't work for everyone".

GP March 17, 2009 at 7:20 a.m.

“…Trying to make it into something fantastic…”

Nothing is more fantastic than our brain itself and the miracle of life. A fantastic characteristic of the brain is its ability to learn thus adjusting to the environment, sustaining life on earth while making it better and even more “fantastic”.

Although irrelevant to the subject we are discussing here, I recommend a fantastic link where everyone can attend on-line courses from Yale University for free!. There are classes on philosophy, astronomy, physics, poetry, psychology etc. The link I frequently visit is:

hxxp://oyc.yale.edu/psychology/introduction-to-psychology/content/class-sessions

Enjoy!

GP March 20, 2009 at 6:09 a.m.

Thanks!

I confess, it has been very helpful talking to you;
although we do not agree in certain views of the
world, I admit that your knowledge is admirable.

Regarding the DR title: look, I have always had
a self-concept of a serious and moral person;
(and I am not going to change it now). If I start putting
"DR" before my name, in my country people will
perceive me as a medical doctor ...

?? April 14, 2009 at 8 p.m.

"Or a legitimate institution may choose not to be accredited for reasons that do not relate to quality"

What reasons would a university have for not wanting to meet quality standards or become recognized?

marion April 20, 2009 at 11:05 a.m.

If you spend 50,000 USD you can get a degree from almost any University you like ....

?? April 23, 2009 at 4:14 a.m.

"university that could be registered in US but operating in a country without accreditation system"

So other countries don't have quality standards and Breyer State would be acceptable there?

Dr.Mikey April 24, 2009 at 1:20 p.m.

BSU is a member of American Association for Higher Education & Accreditation (Formerly AAHE).

student breyer April 26, 2009 at 6:50 a.m.

All accrediting bodies, accreditors etc are profit seeking PRIVATE companies...

student breyer April 27, 2009 at 5:10 a.m.

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
What looks fake to you is absolutely relative...

student breyer April 28, 2009 at 6:25 a.m.

Next time express your own opinion and stop hidding behind others' opinions...

marion April 29, 2009 at 4:19 p.m.

kouzoulos you misunderstood: I disagreed with "Jimbo Jones" and I agreed with you. I've written that he is fake (Jimbo Jones) not the accrediting agency that accredits BSU. Myself, I believe that BSU is a very good school that provides a variety of very interesting courses and the opportunity to gain a valuable degree.

Better May 5, 2009 at 4:49 p.m.

Is the new fake accreditor (see Chronicle of Higher Education article) better than the old fake accreditor owned by the owners of Breyer State?

Me May 12, 2009 at 4:32 a.m.

Any private sector company that would not detect a Breyer State "university" "graduate" in the screening process should have the entire, incompetent HR department fired immediately.

Stop the Scam once and for all May 13, 2009 at 12:52 a.m.

EXCUSE ME....Lets get our facts straight here: BSU is accredited by Domenick Flarey's accreditation mill. For those of you who don't know: Domenick Flarey created Breyer State University. And to give it a flavor of authenticity--he created his own accreditation agency, to accredit his own school. Scam if there was ever one.

Mr.Kent May 13, 2009 at 3:35 p.m.

Domenick Flarey is not the president of BSU any longer.

Bogus State University May 13, 2009 at 11:35 p.m.

Who is accrediting BSU now???It seems the accrediting agency accrediting this "school" keeps changing--why??

And Domenick Flarey DID create the initial accrediting agency that first accredited BSU.

I wonder why he no longer is the president?? perhaps he wants nothing to do with it--he sees what's coming down the pike.

Best On-line University May 14, 2009 at 5:13 a.m.

1) The reason why you are so concerned with BSU is because it is the best on-line university !

2) The more you write against BSU the more publicity it enjoys! (advertising people know very well that there is no such thing as "negative" publicity...).

3) Why do you care so much about who is the president of a "meaningless" (according to you) School? Why bother who accredits it? If BSU was not your major competitor you wouldn't make such effort to degrade it ...

Fraudfinder May 16, 2009 at 5:36 p.m.

BSU (Bull$hit State University) is not my competitor. It is a fraudulent entity period!!! Watch the Foxnews tape--it says it all.

FraudFinder May 17, 2009 at 12:18 p.m.

I guess Fox News is going to get sued for slander and not presenting facts.....I'm waiting.

This bogus entity's days are numbered. Good thing they fled to California where no regulatory climae exists for these kind of shenanigans. Alabama, finally got their act together.

SF May 18, 2009 at 6:15 a.m.

"Fox News is going to get sued for slander and not presenting facts" YOU CHALLENGE THE RELIABILITY OF YOUR OWN "SOURCES"!...

me May 19, 2009 at 3:50 a.m.

That is great Mr Fox!!!

Breyer State May 19, 2009 at 3:59 p.m.

News Release, Monday July 14, 2008 from the Department of Postsecondary Education Department, Alabama:

"...Horror stories are all too common. Last month, the department declined to renew the license of Breyer State University in Birmingham. It's not a university at all, but a tetbook example of a diploma mill. It awareded doctorates--doctorates--to people on a basis of life and work experiences, along with a financial contribution to the school. Not exactly a model of academic rigor..."

--Bradley Byrne,
Chancellor, Alabama Department of Education

Phoney BSU May 19, 2009 at 4:39 p.m.

Sunday, August 17, 2008
Phony Dr.Superintendent H. James Wasser, robs taxpayers
N.J. educators free to use diploma mills
Taxpayers foot the bill for tuition
By ALAN GUENTHER • STAFF WRITER • August 17, 2008

Psst . . . Wanna buy a degree from a diploma mill and stick taxpayers with the bill?

If you're a public school educator, New Jersey won't stop you.

State Education Commissioner Lucille Davy said she is powerless to prevent local school boards from handing out tax money to administrators who boost their pay by obtaining degrees with little or no academic value.

When it issued a nine-page report last week, the department entered a growing national controversy about the value of online degrees. But instead of announcing tough new standards, the department made only a few suggestions.

"I feel sorry for New Jersey. Here they had an opportunity to step up to the plate, and they opted not to," said former FBI agent Allen Ezell, who investigated diploma mill fraud for 11 years, then wrote three books on the subject. "I would have thought New Jersey would have had a little more brass than that."

Freehold Regional High School District became the epicenter of the diploma mill controversy in New Jersey when the superintendent and two top administrators obtained degrees from an online school that has been deemed an "apparent diploma mill" by Alabama officials.

Stay Away From Breyer.. May 20, 2009 at 1:32 a.m.

Government Crack Downs on Diploma Mills
Online education is more popular than ever, and – as eLearners can attest - it’s changing the lives of millions of people who can’t afford to put everything on hold for a “traditional” college degree. Nationwide, enrollments and course offerings continue to grow, as does the abundance of reputable, innovative programs. Unfortunately, some cynics still question online education’s design and credibility. Much of their doubt stems from the existence of so-called “diploma mills” – online colleges and universities that take students’ money in exchange for bogus, unearned diplomas.

This summer, diploma mills made New Jersey headlines, when a group of school district administrators were found to have received pay raises and tuition reimbursement for degrees they essentially bought from an unaccredited college. Breyer State University, the online school in question, has been blacklisted by a series of states, where it has either been prohibited from operating, or where its degrees are flagged for public warning. For years, “bad apple” institutions like Breyer have cast a cloud of suspicion across legitimate programs, forcing conscientious online students to take a defensive stance regarding the standards and rigor that define real, substantive programs.

To a large extent, accreditation agencies (educational authorities recognized on either a regional or national level) have proved helpful in delineating which schools are above board, and which do not meet fundamental standards. But sifting through accreditation body titles can sometimes get confusing – in part because diploma mills often invent their own, phony accrediting agencies to give themselves official-sounding stamps of approval. (This was the case with Breyer State, now allegedly operating in Idaho.) Besides that, not all unaccredited schools are diploma mills. Some schools argue that their unaccredited status allows them to remain more budget-friendly because they’re able to sidestep the costs associated with the accreditation process. In the end, online students may be left wondering which programs are credible, and whether or not their degrees will be taken seriously.

The good news for online education is that state officials are cracking down on illegitimate institutions. Allentown’s Examiner reports on the case of New Jersey’s Freehold School District, where the superintendant has agreed to disavow his doctoral title and return the amount of his raise. The New Jersey Senate is currently reviewing a bill that will ensure the veracity of all advanced credentials in conjunction with tuition reimbursement or salary increases

SF May 20, 2009 at 7 a.m.

"Federal investigators uncovered a "diploma mill" scam, meaning a company
that sells degrees to individuals who have not done any study to earn them."

Breyer State University has nothing to do with that.
Hard work, assignments, tests, and exams are required
to earn a degree. I can present hundreds of
students/graduates who have earned their degree through
work and study (they can show the assignments they
prepared and the textbooks they've read). What can you
present? Journal articles by people who have done little
or no investigation on BSU.

Do you really want to investigate the matter?
Register as a student to BSU and see what happens ...!
You can have a FoxChannel journalist do this (under a different name or
a person you can trust).

But, please do not confuse BSU with other entities on the internet that
sell degrees for a fee; it is insulting for all the people that have worked hard
to earn their degree...

kouzoulos May 20, 2009 at 12:06 p.m.

Again the same story..."copy-paste"....if you don't have something to say, please stop flooding the forum with bshts!!!

BSU is a real institute with real courses, real work. They DO NOT sell degrees and they never did. If you can prove it...just prove it with real arguments and not just a "copy paste" of the same articles written by the same persons (as like go(g)lin)...

Diploma mill users May 20, 2009 at 2:07 p.m.

"SF May 19, 2009 at 4:28 p.m.

Names and addresses of people who got these "doctorates"? Can you refer to specific examples -cases?"

There obviously isn't a list of all diploma mill buyers due to the secrecy needed for these businesses, but occasionally when diploma mill owners get sent to jail, we get some info.

When St. Regis "university" was busted, a newspaper published a list of Diploma mill degree buyers. It's searchable and you can find some Breyer "state" folks. Of course, Mr. Flarey, Mr. Kolenich and all the usual suspects are expsosed in the list.

www.spokesmanreview.com/data/diploma-mil...

SF May 20, 2009 at 4:21 p.m.

1) There is a comprehensive list of BSU graduates on BSU's website -> recent doctoral dissertations.

Nothing to hide, nothing to be afraid of...

2) If diploma mills are companies that sell degrees for a fee, how should we call journals, journalists,
and other self-appointed "experts" who make up scandals for a fee? (I suggest the term "information-mills" ...)

Different lead May 20, 2009 at 5:14 p.m.

"If Skilling had graduated from BSU you would say how bad this School (BSU) is!"

The Skilling story now is that he had the arguably the best education in the world and was still prone to questionable ethics.

Replace his Harvard degree with a BS "university" "degree" and you get a different slant. "It's no surprise that someone who would fudge their "education" would also fudge the books.

Depends May 20, 2009 at 5:39 p.m.

"On the contrary, for you graduates from unaccredited universities are, more or less,... criminals!"

Use of a BS "university" "degree" has only been made criminal in about 13 states, so it really depends on your residence and use of the purchased "degree".

If you are thinking about picking up one of these, make sure to check the applicable state laws before putting it on a resume.

Well May 20, 2009 at 6:38 p.m.

"Yes, I saw the names on the "Doctoral Dissertations" page of their web site. I also saw "H. James Wasser"

I looked up some of the listed dissertations through ProQuest (contains all academic journals) and no dice, they don't appear to have been published?

The only "dissertation" that has seen the light of day was the unfortunate, former "Dr." Wasser, which was reviewed by an expert panel:

www.nje3.org/?p=1593"

"Ana Martinez Aleman, dismissed Wasser’s dissertation as inadequate.

It suffers from hyperbole and generalizations without substantiation.

Aleman added that the work contains “thin and very dated review of the relevant literature and (Wasser’s) research can’t support the claims made; there’s a general lack of coherence and spotty logic throughout.”

The dissertation would not hold up to research standards at any credible institution, and cited a variety of problems in the work.

Wasser’s research citations are sloppy, and the survey sample of troubled students in his district is too small."

If anyone can point me actually to a dissertation I can actually read, would appreciate it.

kouzoulos May 20, 2009 at 10:17 p.m.

an article also by one of BSU professors: hxxp://tojde.anadolu.edu.tr/tojde26/pdf/article_3.pdf

another one, this time on amazon:
hxxp://www.amazon.fr/Feebie-Brainiac-Lysis-Virus-Dutcher/dp/1933255145

just tell us,you experts, can you find as a lot of SCAM universities with professors/students publishing articles, books?

Another Layer of BS May 21, 2009 at 12:18 a.m.

Here's another good chuckle:

Breyer State currently claims accreditation from:
Educational Accreditation Association

So you can see all of the institutions it claims to accredit at:
www.edaccredit.org/locations_/usa.html

They include Harvard, Brigham Young, and Breyer State!!

Unfortunately Harvard and BYU don't list them as an accreditor and when contacted, the Harvard and BYU registrar have never even heard of this organization.

Can't Spell BSU without BS!

SF2 May 21, 2009 at 4:01 a.m.

and d) who accredits the accreditors themselves?

kouzoulos May 21, 2009 at 7:07 a.m.

for those that they didn't read all the comments:

Emanuel December 9, 2008 at 11:28 a.m.

"Really? Please point me to any employer that advertises: "we gladly accept unaccredited degrees!""

Siemens in Germany, I explained them , and they don't have a problem.Once I'm competent and I'm doing my job as I have to, they don't care!!!

You can call them if you want!!!

Wittelsbacherplatz 2
D-80333 Munich
Germany

kouzoulos May 21, 2009 at 11:32 a.m.

you're right businessman but someone cares about the credibility of a piece of paper and they don't care about knowledge.

I worked for Getronics for about 2 years in France, they hired me for my knowledge after passing some tests and they didn't care about my degree... never mind...as I've already say in the past...It's all about Money!

Good fit May 22, 2009 at 1:28 p.m.

"I worked for Getronics for about 2 years in France, they hired me for my knowledge after passing some tests and they didn't care about my degree"

Breyer State is a great degree to have if you are applying somewhere that doesn't care about your degree.

Government Employment May 22, 2009 at 7:58 p.m.

Don't even think of applying for Government (Fed., State, County)employment. during the vetting process, YOU WILL GET REJECTED with a Breyer State University degree.

Remember: You can't spell Breyer State without "BS"

kouzoulos May 22, 2009 at 9:09 p.m.

"good fit", when I say they don't care about my degree, I mean that they don't care if my degree comes from an accredited or unaccredited university. I proved my knowledge during my work and not on a piece of paper...

cheers from france

SF May 23, 2009 at 7:20 a.m.

"that is totally up to the HR Department"
TRUE.So, why are you threatening people here?

HR managers are intelligent people, they know
how to evaluate a candidate; big companies do
have their own tests (intelligence, ability,
integrity tests, assessment centers etc) they
do not rely on what your degree says but what
their measurements say about you. If you present
to them your courses, assignments, dissertation
prepared for BSU they will understand the quality
of your work (this process IS a form of accreditation
on a personal basis).

So, next time you go
for an interview explain that you graduated from
an unaccredited school because you'd been working
full-time at the same time and you didn't want to
waste your dad's money for a meaningless seal!

Scare Tactics?? May 23, 2009 at 4:28 p.m.

Splitting applicants into two disparate groups?? Yeah.."illegal" and "legal" Stop with the reciting of the Civil Rights Act--that is getting ludicrous.

I strongly suspect you are connected with BSU, and are trying real hard to counter any valid criticisims of this "school."

Scammy McFraudster May 23, 2009 at 11:33 p.m.

"So, next time you go for an interview explain that you graduated from an unaccredited school because you'd been working full-time at the same time and you didn't want to
waste your dad's money for a meaningless seal!"

Good luck with that! Our company screens for bogus degrees prior to the interview stage (which is industry best practice according to SHRM), so you wouldn't even get a chance to spout this nonsense.

FOX NEWS May 24, 2009 at 8:07 p.m.

It's been almost a year Fox News exposed Breyer State University as a bogus school.

So if Fox News is sooo slanderous, according to a BSU supporter, where is the slander lawsuit???

I'M STILL WAITING

SF2 May 25, 2009 at 5:51 a.m.

"The Associated Press and CBS News have just announced that Capella University's Financial Aid Director, Timothy Lehmann, is under investigation for receiving kickbacks from a student loan company. CBS states: "In a letter to Capella's president, Cuomo's office asserts that Capella's financial aid director, Timothy Lehman, received $13,000 in consulting fees from Student Loan Xpress while the company was one of the school's 15 recommended lenders.""

AND

"A degree from Capella is little more than an expensive piece of useless paper. This university is the place to go if you can't cut it anywhere else and enjoy getting laughed at by potential employers. Their faculty are the bottom feeders of higher education and students are sub par to those found just about anywhere else. Their reputation is similar to that of other schools of their ilk - a place where losers can buy a degree. "

WHAT'S GOING ON? WHAT'S THE TRUTH?
WHO SHOULD WE BELIEVE? WHO CAN WE TRUST?

?? May 26, 2009 at 4:16 a.m.

Not sure what Capella and BS "university" have to do with each other, other than a temporary distraction from the facts at hand about BS "university", but can you please provide a link to the newspaper reporting about the kickback and that "their faculty are the bottom feeders"

sf2 May 26, 2009 at 6:10 a.m.

“Capella is desperate October 2, 2007 at 3:57 a.m.
The Chronicle of Higher Education is reporting that Capella University actually pays other schools to send them students. The article is called “University of California Campus Collects a Bounty for Sending Students to a For-Profit College” and may be found here –“

“Being Honest October 18, 2007 at 10:49 p.m.
Capella, UOP, ITT, and any other for profit university is sub par and so are the students. No one should take anyone with a degree from these institutions seriously. Students in these schools are the worst of the best and the best of the worst (and maybe they are neither, they may just be the worst of the worst).”

“Just a Guy February 24, 2007 at 11:20 a.m.
As the growth of online education continues I do not understand why anyone would even consider an online university that does not also have traditional on-campus programs. "Schools" such as Capella, Walden, NCU, Phoenix, and others are not well respected by academia or human resources professionals in business.
Honestly which would you rather put on your resume, a school like Kansas State University (Just an Example of a traditional school that offers online programs) or an unrespected school like Phoenix, Capella, Walden, NCU or a host of others.”

“Dawn March 5, 2007 at 6:08 p.m.
Thanks for the comment JAG. I also agree! I am in the process of researching online schools with traditional campuses, and I have had the "Capella experience." I entered Capella in May 2006...and I do regret it! If you want to go to a school that you can easily get by in, then Capella is the perfect choice! Who wouldn't want to turn in all of their assignments and automatically get a 100 with little to no effort?! I “

SF4 May 26, 2009 at 6:15 a.m.

THE SAME THINGS SAID FOR BREYER STATE ARE ALSO SAID FOR CAPELLA! WHO IS IN THE BUSINESS OF DELIBERATELY DISCREDITING SCHOOLS AND WHY IS HE DOING THAT?

IT IS BEEN SAID HERE THAT "ACCREDITATION" IS THE PROBLEM WITH BREYER UNIVERSITY. YOU SEE HOW ACCREDITATION IS NOT LINKED TO QUALITY! (ACCORDING TO THESE POSTINGS)

LOL May 26, 2009 at 12:29 p.m.

Ok, you had me there for a second, I thought you had a verifiable source for these, and you would somehow try to make a coherent argument to relate it to the legitimacy of BS "university".

Once again, if you ever go to college, you will learn that wiki's and anonymous blogs are not valid source references.

However, if you can find some original sources such as newspaper articles or research articles, or authoritative sources, you can then start to make an intelligent argument. You are only about 3 steps away.

Scammy McFraud May 26, 2009 at 3:16 p.m.

If I am following your logic correctly,

If you can find anonymous blog postings disparaging a totally unrelated University, it makes BS "university" real?

Award yourself a Breyer State "university" "phd" for that research.

evidence May 26, 2009 at 3:28 p.m.

THE CHRONICLE OF HIGHER EDUCATION

"The online degree is not weighed as heavily as a traditional degree," says Ms. Guzman, who hires people for a range of positions, including publishing, administration, and building engineering. "It's almost like, oh, you're purchasing a degree."

She mentioned several universities that raise red flags for her when she sees them on résumés, including Capella University, an accredited for-profit online institution, and the University of Phoenix, an accredited for-profit institution that has both classroom and online programs.

hxxp://chronicle.com/free/v53/i18/18a02801.htm

Independent Sources May 26, 2009 at 3:47 p.m.

Since you are struggling to find independent source articles about BS "university", here are a couple all directly disccussing Breyer State specifically.

1. Seattle Spokesman Review
“Agencies looking for diploma buyers among employees”
Jim Camden - Staff writer - August 1, 2008

2. 9/4/2008 – The New Jersey Ledger
Three Freehold Regional school administrators who gained advanced degrees from a suspected "diploma mill" were ordered by the state yesterday to remove the degrees from their titles, while the state also alerted all districts to the laws against using such institutions.
The state Commission on Higher Education sent the "cease-and-desist" letters to Freehold Superintendent James Wasser and two of his assistants who had gained doctorates from Breyer State University,

3. State of Texas -The State of Texas calls Breyer State "University" a: Fraudulent or Substandard Institution with No Known Texas Connection. A Fraudulent or substandard degree" means a degree conferred in Texas in violation of the Texas Education Code

4. Alabama Department of Education Press Release
7/14/2008 - No more diploma mills: Chancellor Bradley Byrne announces new initiatives to shut down sham schools, better regulate other for-profits
While many of the institutions closed for legitimate reasons, some – notably Columbus University and Breyer State University – were operating apparent diploma mills and taking shameful advantage of hundreds of unsuspecting students.

5. New Jersey Senate Hearing – Senator Jen Beck - "Breyer State University, an unaccredited online school that provides advanced degrees in exchange for little more than the tuition that is paid"

6. The New Republic Magazine - "Degree Burns, How diploma mills are threatening national security"

7. Inside Higer Education - From Idaho to California -August 19, 2008
“The colleges, he said, are “looking for more fertile ground.” (Breyer State, which has a history in Idaho, seems to have established itself in its third state this year”

8. Fox 5 Investigates: - School Official's Phony Degree – 1/8/2009

9. State Diploma MIlls Draw Academic Ire - Tuscaloosa News – 2/11/2007

10. Experts dismiss doctoral dissertation – Excellent Education for Everyone

11. By JOSHUA RILEY - The Asbury Park Press
Two academic experts who reviewed a doctoral dissertation by Freehold Regional High School District Superintendent H. James Wasser said the work does not meet their minimum requirements for advanced degrees.

sf May 26, 2009 at 3:54 p.m.

FROM: hxxp://www.complaintsboard.com/?search=Capella+University

"Fraud and cheating
I contacted Capella University about Ph.D. classes in business, and was hard-sold by their 'counselors' who called me and pressured me to enroll. The per credit cost I was originally quoted was increased after my first term. They also did not mention the additional costs of attending...

Capella University (complaint)
Posted: 2009-03-09 by ANGRY STUDENT

bad service
I have been enrolled in this university for some time now and my time there was spent doing middle school work with no student support from this school. Let's just say for half of the time enrolled at this school their website has been down. I called tech suport and told them the problem,...

Capella University (comment)
Posted: 2009-05-12 by one mad capella customer *student*

Fraud and cheating
i'm a current student and was told that my financial aid would cover everything and now i owe 1860. the worst decision i ever made was going to capella university. at least i know ill pass my classes....

Capella University (comment)
Posted: 2009-05-12 by one mad capella customer *student*

Fraud and cheating
DO NOT GO TO CAPELLA UNIVERSITY. YOU ARE A CUSTOMER NOT A STUDENTS. YOU END OF PAYING THOUSANDS FOR A WORTHLESS DEGREE. IF YOU SEE ANY GOOD COMMENTS ABOUT CAPELLA EVERY ONE IS FROM A CAPPELLA EMPLOYEE NOT FROM A REAL STUDENT/CUSTOMER....

Capella University (comment)
Posted: 2009-05-21 by f. c.

bad service
I'm a veteran, capella university promise that I would get my military discount, I started class and sent off for my military ddform 214 ( discharge papers ) fax it to the school. They said no we can't give to becasause of the time frame of getting it. Military personal who entered... "

SF May 26, 2009 at 4:03 p.m.

1. "Capella is a real, recognized, but low quality University"
IF A SCHOOL IS OF BAD QUALITY, RECOGNITION MEANS JUST A BAD NAME AND NOTHING MORE.

2. I did not intent to hurt Capella's board; I have no information. I just did an internet search like you to challenge your "myth of accreditation"...

SF May 27, 2009 at 5:16 a.m.

1. "stay away"...: stay away from BSU because its not accredited, stay away from Capella because its of low quality, so what should we do? Study nothing-attend no courses, or what? You see your logic leads nowhere, unless you have something to suggest; have you? What's the benefit of just searching the negative aspects of BSU or other schools?

2. "...ripe for a federal investigation"...: such an investigation can reveal the truth: that there is nothing fraudulent or deceptive in BSU's operation. It is clearly stated that it is a privately (not-regionally accredited), on-line school that provides courses via distance learning. That's all! There is nothing bad about it (neither from the ethical nor from the legal point of view).

3. Do you know what's the real scandal (one that deserves federal investigation)? The fact that students are guided to believe they are going to find great jobs by attending accredited universities and then they are just led to take student loans so that financial organizations make huge profits and salespersons of these organizations receive huge commissions! Investigate this first, because unsuspected citizens are loosing their money!

SF May 27, 2009 at 5:29 a.m.

Can you point to any single person who actually bought a degree from BSU?
(attended no courses, submitted no assignments etc). Can you prove what you say, yes or no?

Interesting May 27, 2009 at 6:05 p.m.

"6. The New Republic Magazine - "Degree Burns, How diploma mills are threatening national security"

Thanks for the reserach, I thought this was the most interesting of all the articles on Breyer State and diploma mills. They had Breyer State pegged in early 2006, but it still took years to take action on them.

Well May 29, 2009 at 4:41 a.m.

"Can you point to any single person who actually bought a degree from BSU?"

Besides when the State of Alabama ejected them from the state for selling degrees for a fee? Do you need more examples?

sf May 29, 2009 at 7:30 a.m.

Can you point to any single person who actually bought a degree from BSU?

Proof Here May 29, 2009 at 11:59 p.m.

H. James Wasser "purchased" his degree by doing little to no work for his degree. The "work" was thin and transparent to make it look legitimate. The state of New Jersey saw through the fog and took decisive and assertive action by stripping him of his "doctoral" title.

Google: " H. James Wasser, Breyer State University"

kouzoulos May 30, 2009 at 6:20 a.m.

@at more proof,they were issuing honorary ph.d for a little contribution to the university ...it's not the same....
and if you like, here in France some universities were selling degrees to Chinese students, does it mean that these universities are diploma mill or all universities in France sells degrees?I don't think so, I have many many examples of universities where someone of their staff were selling degrees but the universities still exists (look in italy,in russia, even in USA there are many universities- accredited universities-that in the paste they were involved in "selling degree" scandal.
As I've already said,YES BSU is unaccredited, it's not MIT but neither rochville. It does exist, they offer real courses by real professors believe it or not this is the truth. Did you ever try to contact BSU? Did you ever try to buy a degree from them?I'm sure, you didn't!!Neither you nor all these diploma-mill "experts" as like JB and Go(g)lin.

@proof here, give us a second example, we are bored every time the same person (JW)...and you are boring repeating the same article...

And something else, could you find some BSU alumni complains?Real complains!!

ps: sorry for my english mistakes

Made up stories??? May 30, 2009 at 7 p.m.

Are you kidding me?? This are facts! When are you going to stop defending this entity?? Why are you so loyal and obligated?? The facts speak for themselves.

You wanted names; you were given names. Apparently you don't want to hear that. It was thrown out of Alabama--the traditional haven of diploma mills.

At least Alabama is cleaning up its act. Hopefully, California won't be far behind.

SF May 31, 2009 at 6:02 a.m.

Why are you so interested in what BSU does?

Why do you spend your time and put so much effort
to do research in the internet regarding BSU?

Is that a personal obsession of yours or what?

"Dr." Wasser--proud Breyer State U Grad. May 31, 2009 at 12:55 p.m.

Look at the controversey this superintendent of New Jersey schools started. I just came across this doing the google search the above poster suggested. This is incredible!

moremonmouthmusings.blogspot.com/search?q=wasser

sf May 31, 2009 at 3:30 p.m.

It appears that a well orchestrated propaganda against BSU is taking place...!

Sf June 1, 2009 at 5:47 p.m.

Yes, information is easy to find in the internet,
but why would somebody get involved in such an effort?

SF June 2, 2009 at 6:09 a.m.

Research is a good thing! -nobody is opposed to proper research and informed decision making.
Although, your rage against BSU and the fact that you are isolating the negative information only (while ignoring the fact that BSU has hundreds of satisfied students) makes your research biased and misleading. Also, it minimizes the credibility of your writings. Moreover, your motives towards the systematic defamation of this institution are obscure...

SF June 4, 2009 at 10:25 a.m.

Based on your deductive reasoning ability, you wouldn't qualify for a BSU student.
So you better choose another school...!

worlwide acceptance ! June 4, 2009 at 4:10 p.m.

“My degree was accepted for professional licensing with The American Academy of Grief Counseling”

K. Smith-NY

“Earning my degree from Breyer State University aided in my job promotion”

L. Hamilton-Jamaica

“My degree was accepted for professional licensing with Jordan Hospital Plymouth, Massachusetts”

E. Giroux-MA

“Goodwill Industries paid and accepted my degree from Breyer State University.”

K. Hills-CO

"Before I found out about Breyer State University, I wandered around with very limited prospects for my future. I had a real desire to excel, but had problems finding education opportunities while working full-time. After graduating with my masters degree, I was able to obtain a wonderful position with a sizeable salary! I am now in the doctorate degree program for Pastoral Counseling and Thanatology, and I am enjoying the challenge, wisdom and knowledge that I am gaining. I have since referred others to the school. When you find something of value, you share it!"

E. Anderson - Maryland

BSU grad June 5, 2009 at 6:20 a.m.

Hello,

My degree was recognized by APC in Paris. I earned an MBA from BSU and I'm very satisfied

Jean-Pierre Pommard
Paris
France

Fraudfinder June 6, 2009 at 1:08 a.m.

It's not illegal to possess unaccredited degrees. However, to use them for hiring, payraises, promotions--is in fact not only illegal, but unethical and immoral.

Go to any federal job site, and you will see it specifically calls for an ACCREDITED DEGREE, accredited by a regional or national accrediting agency RECOGNIZED by the US Department of Education.

I'm sure people to get worthwhile educations from your Breyer State University's etc----it's who recognizes them. some people learn the hard way--and after hard work, that their degree was a waste of time and money.

Do your research...dont be duped or let down.

Sf June 6, 2009 at 8:19 a.m.

"Some people learn the hard way--and after hard work, that their degree was a waste of time"

You admitted that there is HARD WORK involved!
(This contradicts your previous arguments that people buy degrees from BSU!!!)

Hard work is never a waste of time, my friend...
In fact, it is the basis of every endeavor towards success both in career and personal life.

Education is primarily concerned with CHANGE. It implies learning new things, acquiring new skills, thus finally changing the way you view things, the way you behave, the way you perform your duties/job, the way you treat others, the way you see yourself. That's what education is about!

But, for you, education is just a "golden seal" awarded from some sort of (private) regional accreditor, just an official piece of paper to get you a ticket for employment. It is true, if you just need the stamp and the seal, BSU is not for you!

If real education, knowledge, and value added to your abilities, is what you are looking for, then BSU is your School!

Sf June 7, 2009 at 6:21 a.m.

diploma mills are companies that sell "degrees" for a fee. Breyer State University has absolutely nothing to do with that. BSU provides high quality education aimed to served the needs of working adults who wish to expand their knowledge and enhance their career opportunities. BSU is recognized by many private employers and has helped hundreds of people to reach their personal, educational, and professional goals.

sf June 8, 2009 at 8:10 a.m.

See the BSU website: "what our students say" to get an answer to your query! it is not my job to keep records of BSU graduates...

Although (as a BSU graduate myself) I can offer my personal experience: I had no problem with the recognition issue; on the contrary my employer and my colleagues are impressed by the assignments I've prepared, the textbooks I've read, and the knowledge I've got which has a great impact on my performance, my self-confidence, the way others view me and, of course, my remuneration package!

Let me tell you a secret: employers are generally skeptical regarding the real "value" of all MBAs, PhDs etc. What they demand is real knowledge, real performance, real results! They are not willing to pay you (or anybody else) just because one day you show up with your highly expensive MBA/PhD, unless you can prove in practice that it worths in terms of value you can add to the company/work! Therefore, accreditation to them is not really important, they simply do not care from which accrediting agency your degree is accredited... (this is academic stuff irrelevant most of the time to the business world). This is the truth!

So, get down to earth! Real accreditation takes place in practice. Practice never lies!

kouzoulos June 8, 2009 at 8:44 a.m.

wow...I forgot to tell you...they didn't give a sh.it for the university's name, they only my previous experience in some reputable companies.I do my job as they like...I think that you are just another stooge who looks only to get a piece of paper with a "reputable" university's name on it...if this is your dream...just pay $80000 for a BSc in an "accredited" university.

cheers...

ps: I agree to get away the real scam,dm as like rochville,ashwood etc but BSU is NOT in this category,

answer June 8, 2009 at 8:38 p.m.

question: "Then why did the State of Alabama say they were doing exactly that, when they were booted?"

answer: Because "smart guys" like you exerted political pressure...!

Sister Colleges June 9, 2009 at 4:43 p.m.

You can see Rochville, Belford, and Breyer State "universities" all snuggled together on the various state lists outlawing the use of these hokey "degrees", such as the Oregon list:

www.osac.state.or.us/oda/unaccredited.as...

sf June 9, 2009 at 5 p.m.

and why are so you (personally) so happy about that?

No sense June 10, 2009 at 6:52 a.m.

University of Atlanta is a real, accredited university, that is correct. Do they have some relationship with BS "university" that we are unaware of?

Also, I do not see that BS "university" is a candidate for any real accreditation, just the revolving door of self-owned and unrecognized outfits?

Can you point us to where they have applied or are intending to apply?

kouzoulos June 10, 2009 at 6:35 p.m.

Yes, UofA is a real as BSU is too! UofA was for several years UNACCREDITED and just Licensed in AL as it was BSU until 06/2008....that's all...but now that UofA got a DETC accreditation, for you, it's a nice university, but just before it's accreditation it was a diploma mill...what hypocrisy!

Like... June 15, 2009 at 5:25 p.m.

"Apart from the accreditation issue, don't you have anything else to discuss or comment regarding BSU?"

Like the false accreditors, scandal, state blacklists, etc? Purchase of degrees for a fee?

Direct Quote June 16, 2009 at 3:28 a.m.

"I thought that this site was about to include students'experiences along with relevant educational information;"

Every real and fake university can point to student testomonials that say they are great. Even Breyer "state" sister college, Rochville University has a testimonial page.

www.rochvilleuniversityscam.com/rochvill...

So we can agree that all alumni think their college is great, so we have to look at external, independent sources to determine the quality of the university.

So when we start looking...

Unfortunately, Breyer is not ranked in any credible ranking such as US News / Princetons / College Guide, etc.

In fact, they have only been reviewed by an external party twice, resulting in their eviction from Alabama and Idaho, respectively.

In fact, they are listed as blatantly illegal in a growing number of US states, even those where they supposedly once were located.

Plus just take a look at the various scandals (that we know of), Wasser, etc.

The revolving door of dubious accrediting agencies (owned by BSU and otherwise) that suddenly disappear.

Not to mention the State of Alabama booting them for "selling degrees for a fee", among other practices.

So, if you can conclude that they are a real school from the facts presented, award yourself a Breyer State "phd" in Rationalization.

kouzoulos June 16, 2009 at 5:44 a.m.

"Plus just take a look at the various scandals (that we know of), Wasser, etc."

except of wasser (that is not a scandal but...as u wish), what is the "etc"???

We are still waiting for this..."etc"!!!

Hi June 17, 2009 at 4:42 a.m.

"I am a graduate of Breyer State University."

Sorry to hear you lost your money. Have you considered legal action to get it back?

"If BSU is such a fake entity (as you say) why did the State of Alabama award them a license to operate, in the first place? Two possible explanations: (a) the State was unaware of the fact that BSU was a diploma mill (b) the State did not conduct any controls to evaluate schools'quality."

The answer is "B", they had the law on the books for years, but were slow on reviewing "universities". Of course, the second they got a look at BS "u", it got booted.

"The State should therefore: (i) recognize all BSU degrees of students who had enrolled when the license was still active"

As far as I know, no states recognize diploma mill credentials.

"(ii) return the full amount of fees paid to all students"

If you recall, your "tuition" money is lining the pockets of one or two people, not the State of Alabama.

"(iii) allow students to transfer their credits to other accredited Alabama schools"

I have never heard anyone even suggesting that Breyer State credits would be accepted at a legitimate instituion. If you hear of one, let everyone know.

'(iv) allow a 6-12 month period so that both BSU and its students could take corrective measures."

Well, BS "university" was in the State for years and when it was their turn to be inspected had no staff, no curriculum, no student records, no anything. Corrective measures might be in order for a university that was close or at least attempting to run a higher ed institution, but there wasn't even the slightest hint.

kouzoulos June 17, 2009 at 6:02 a.m.

"no staff, no curriculum, no student records, no anything"

How old are you?Maybe you're blind!!Check their website, there are also detail for every course!!student records, how do you know, it is confidential, what do you think, that they will publish the names of all their students?

Give us a break man!

have a nice...slpeep!

kouzoulos June 18, 2009 at 4:41 p.m.

please, can you tell me where can I find the list of licensed universities in California?Not accredited, but licensed...

Miss June 18, 2009 at 6:16 p.m.

"please, can you tell me where can I find the list of licensed universities in California?"

Unfortunately, there is absolutely no oversight of universities in California right now, it's become the latest haven for diploma mills, so look elsewhere if you are looking for a degree.

The Cal Postsecondary Ed Dept, does publish a list however, don't know how old it is.
www.cpec.ca.gov/Links/LinksSubPage.ASP?L...

sf June 19, 2009 at 10:27 a.m.

"Slander is a prosecutable offense in all 50 states"

Rar June 19, 2009 at 2:01 p.m.

"During the 4 years where BSU was licensed in AL, their degrees were legal and they were issued legally"

Hehe, this may be technically true, but after the fact, we've all been clearly shown what a low bar that was to get a flimsy state license under the flimsiest rules of all 50 states.

"Even now BSU without a state license, has the authority to issue degrees"

How do you figure? What authority? I think you are saying that any business with a California PO Box can theoretically issue a "degree" because there is no oversight, that is probably true.

Irregardless, if you are in the market for an unlicensed, unaccredited, unrecognized, and unregulated "degree", go for it, but keep in mind, Rochville and Preston are in the same category and still cheaper.

sf June 19, 2009 at 4:43 p.m.

People who accuse BSU are nothing but propagandists; they have no experience with educational matters; no respect for anything; no values at all. They haven't studied BSU curriculum, they know nothing at all. Their argumentation is simplistic and naive: "all unaccredited schools are selling degress for a fee, therefore they are diploma mills". They do not accept the fact that more and more people/students are departing from the traditional educational regionally accredited system because of the high costs involved, the dubious quality offered, and the inability of the system to guarantee them jobs. BSU offers quality education at an affordable price and this is what drives them crazy. Moreover, their attitude and language is indicative and representative of the "values" they stand for.

kouzoulos June 24, 2009 at 1:52 p.m.

no comment on previous message for rochville...either you're a kid or your brain is so small as a peanut...

Well June 26, 2009 at 4:40 a.m.

"Rochville is just as good, if not better than Breyer State. Both have great student reviews and are accredited by an agency that verifies their quality. (although not recognized by CHEA). Neither one is currently licensed, but that doesn't stop them from providing a quality education!"

Well, Rochville would rate a little higher on my list. Same accreditation, same utility, lower cost.

Rochville > BSU June 30, 2009 at 1:16 p.m.

"Well, Rochville would rate a little higher on my list. Same accreditation, same utility, lower cost."

Thanks for the advice, I'll probably get my Rochville MBA and them just transfer it into the Breyer State PHD program.

LOL June 30, 2009 at 8:21 p.m.

Truth hurts, but denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

scott July 6, 2009 at 3:07 p.m.

I just submitted my PHd dissertation but feel so cnfused by all that i have been reading about BSu.I started my studies when they were still in Alabama legally.
Can anyone suggest another (accredited)university where i could probably take some additional courses and be granted their certification?

kouzoulos July 7, 2009 at 8:59 a.m.

@??

you said legitimate: BSU is legitimate(also was licensed in AL to issue degrees), can you tell us why it is not?

you said: real online programs ...did you try them in order to verify if they are real or not?I'm sure that you didn't.Just take a look on the bibliography required for my BSc in CS (older message, above)...

ps: can you tell us YOUR inexpensive "real" university that you represent (if any)?

Fraudfinder July 10, 2009 at 1:16 a.m.

I'm getting sick and tired of hearing about the education in Greece.

Having said that,Scott you said "another accredited" school. BSU is not accredited by an agency recognized by the US Department of Education. The accrediting agencies "accrediting" BSU, were created by the founder, Domenick Flarey, who is no longer associated with the school. However, his Accrediting agency still remains.

This school cannot and will not get accredited. Period. End of story!

Heads up! July 14, 2009 at 5:05 a.m.

Using fake degrees now a misdemeanor in Missouri
By Kavita Kumar
St. Louis Post-Dispatch

stltoday.com

fraudfinder July 15, 2009 at 7:45 p.m.

One issued by a fraud of a school...hmmmm, can you say BSU??

Fraudfinder July 16, 2009 at 1:29 p.m.

Obviously you dont care what the state of New Jersey has ruled with respect to H. James Wasser and his doctorate degree from Breyer State University. Google those two names, and see what you come up with. After that, let me know if your opinion has changed.

www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/investigative/F...

tf July 16, 2009 at 3:09 p.m.

For your information: google "J Deutzman" to see
the results regarding the journalistic integrity
of this man, for example:

hxxp://peekskillguardian.blogspot.com/2007/04/exposed-party-of-no-plays-emmy-award.html

truthfinder July 18, 2009 at 7:13 a.m.

Apparently?

It is not the first time that J Deutzman is accused of:

….“defamatory statements on their website, xxx.myfoxnv.com/mvfox/ concerning the Plaintiff”; “The statements published by the Defendants on their website were false, defamatory, malicious, and libellous” “Upon information and belief, at the time of the aforesaid broadcast, the Defendants were actuated by actual malice in that Defendants knew that the segment and matters contained therein concerning the Plaintiff so broadcasted, were false or untrue, or were broadcasted with reckless and wanton disregard of whether they were false or untrue.”…

Source: (hxxp://www.courthousenews.com/2008/07/10/UNDog.pdf)

fraudfinder July 19, 2009 at 4:15 a.m.

Oh that...Mr. Ibrahim is just pissed for being exposed. That mattter will be adjudicated in favor of Fox. Now for BSU...Is Breyer State University going to file??? I truly hope so!! Then..and only then..will we know whether or not they are indeed a fraudulent entity. But--they have to file. It's been a year already. What are they waiting for????

I'll tell you why: Because there afraid they will be exposed for what they are.

tf July 19, 2009 at 9:01 a.m.

"Oh that...Mr. Ibrahim is just pissed for being exposed..."

show some respect for the case! Mr. Ibrahim is working as
an emloyee of the United Nations, New York and has reasonable reasons to get
angry at Mr Deutzman and his irresponsible journalism.
The case is indicative of the way news reports are conducted...

tf July 19, 2009 at 3:53 p.m.

"In New Jersey, receiving an unaccredited degree,AND using it towards one's profession..."

It is not exactly as you wish to present it!

I have checked with the link you provided; it appears
that the law requires not only the degree to be
unaccredited but also to have an intent to deceive (in
order to render the whole practice fraudulent).

Specifically, the regulation mentions that:

"A person shall not with the intent to deceive buy, sell, make or
alter, give, issue, obtain ..."

As a matter of fact, nobody can deprive me from my right to write into my
CV whatever I like, provided that I have no intent to deceive.
For instance, if I speak Chinese I can write it into my CV,
If I think I am good-looking I can mention it in my CV that I am a handsome guy etc,
If I have taken correspondence courses in gardening I can also mention it, and if I
have attended the University of Eastern Moggolia I have the (constitutional)
right to mention it in my CV. As long as I do not intend to harm or deceive anybody,
I can write whatever I like...

Applications: if I write that I graduated from Breyer
State University -a regionally accredited school, this is
fraudulent, since BSU is not-regionally accredited, but
if I mention the truth (that I have taken on-line courses and
graduated from a privately accredited School namely BSU)
where is the intent to deceive?

You see, things are not so simple as you try to present
them... And..., what's more, N Jersey is not the center
of the World! New Jersey legislation has the intent to
protect citizens from fraudulent practices, for instance
a medical doctor with a Belford "degree" would be dangerous
to the public, so he should be not allowed to practice
medicine; similarly a lawyer with an unaccredited degree
may harm his clients, but what about a product manager who holds an
accredited degree in Engineering and a unaccredited
MBA from Breyer? What's the problem with this guy? How
can he do harm to the company he works for or to the
general public? Apparently (your favorite word) he can't!
So, why should we prohibit the use of his MBA in his job?

To:TF July 20, 2009 at 2:54 a.m.

Mere obtaining...and eventually using towards one's profession is unlawful as well. Whether or not there is any attempt to deceive. Deception is just one of the necessary requirements of the law--there are others as well.

In the case of H. James Wasser, he OBTAINED the unaccredited degree AND used it towards his profession. How? by OBTAINING his doctorate from BSU, then submitting it to the Board of Education for tuition reimbursement AND yearly pay hikes.

Vegas July 20, 2009 at 9 p.m.

"how can a production manager with an accredited degree in Engineering and a non-accredited MBA from BSU, harm the company his working for or the general public"

i agree, low ethics is a tough one to detect, but more and more companies are screening for bankruptcies, gambling problems, etc.

kouzoulos July 21, 2009 at 6:15 a.m.

"BSU was never accredited and was unlicensed at the time"

officially accredited,no but it was licensed when JW obtained his degree...

Is a reg accr degree a BONA FIDE qualification? July 21, 2009 at 9:09 a.m.

Have you ever heard the term “bona fide occupational qualification”?

bona fide occupational qualification is defined as any requirement which when viewed on the surface seems biased, but actually is reasonably necessary for the performance of the job.

Applications: if the employer can prove that a regionally accredited degree constitutes a BONA FIDE qualification deemed necessary for the proper execution of job related duties then (the employer) may choose to select, hire (or promote) only graduates from regionally accredited schools. Otherwise, (when a regionally accredited degree is not a bona fide qualification –absolutely necessary according to the job analysis), excluding BSU candidates may constitute discriminatory practice according to US employment law (US code title 29).

practical implication: Tomorrow morning, I will apply for a job vacancy in the Government, the FBI, the State of New Jersey, the State of Oregon etc. In my CV I will include my BSU degree as well as all the relevant information regarding its accreditation status (privately accredited etc.). Consider the case that my CV is rejected (I am not invited for an interview, or/and I am invited although not hired etc.). Also, consider that I do possess all the relevant job related requirements for the job (knowledge, skills, ability, and other characteristics, known as “KSAO's”). If I can prove that I was rejected because of my non-regionally accredited degree, or an IQ test, or any other selection procedure irrelevant to the particular job related performance criteria (i.e. not a bona fide qualification for the job), then my (prospective) employer will face a lawsuit for discrimination practices and emotional distress caused by discrimination.

Good point July 21, 2009 at 12:35 p.m.

"i agree, low ethics is a tough one to detect, but more and more companies are screening for bankruptcies, gambling problems, etc."

Great point, putting a cost on low ethics is going to be difficult. If you look at the cases where Breyer "state" or other diploma mill users have been caught, you have:

1. The direct costs, such as legal, additional meetings, hearing, etc. I think direct costs are the smallest.
2. Damage to the image of the business
3. Loss of confidence in those who failed to adequately screen candidates when hiring the faker.
4. Direct damage / inefficiency done by the employee for being undertrained relative to their resume.

BSU July 28, 2009 at 8:56 p.m.

Is it still around?? I know they moved to Calif, and I know there is great controversy regarding its accreditation status. If they are operating, would it be for long??

LOL July 29, 2009 at 6:49 a.m.

What a vivid imagination!

lol2 July 29, 2009 at 5:54 p.m.

what's the problem with renting an office and
secretarial services? what's your great discovery anyway?

Fraudfinder July 30, 2009 at 12:23 a.m.

It seems when critical information and or posts are posted about BSU, Staff members monitoring this site, pounce on it right away to do damage control.

lol3 July 30, 2009 at 7:10 a.m.

Why are you engaging in the business of finding
"negative" points concerning BSU? Who are you?
And why are you continuously doing this job?
All BSU activities (including the fact that it
is a virtual university operating fully on-line,
are posted at its website -everything is clear)!

lol July 31, 2009 at 4:27 p.m.

It is not your business!

They are located on
planet Mars (!)

But what about you? where is your
"Educational Propaganda Company"
located at?

lol August 1, 2009 at 7:14 a.m.

Scare tactics?

Oh Well August 4, 2009 at 3:21 p.m.

BS "university", a subsidiary of MAILBOXES, ETC. that has a nice ring to it!

If they don't really have any physical location, where is the drive through window to pick up your "degree"?

Ahhh, the false dilemna August 6, 2009 at 12:08 p.m.

"You can go to Capella, Walden, Univ of Phoenix pay 50-80,000 USD"

The false dilemna, one of my favorites. Your ONLY 2 choices are to get an unaccredited "degree" or to pay $80,000 to go to UOP!!!!!

Fortunately, there are tons of choices. You can get a real, accredited degree reasonably priced from dozens of State universities without the cost of a UOP degree or the complete lack of utility of a BSU / Mailboxes Etc. "degree".

I shake my head at people who would pay UOP that kind of money.

LOL August 7, 2009 at 3:21 a.m.

Therein lies the problem, diploma mills can undersell any real university because they have no costs for faculty and stuff. You can get a Rochville, St. Regis, Almeda, or Breyer State Degree for $5,000 or less.

If you are actually looking at getting a recognized degree, I would check with Northcentral University in AZ for about $25,000.

Sorry, but real PhD's are neither easy or cheap.

sf August 7, 2009 at 2:58 p.m.

1) Northcentral University:

Doctoral degree tuition
All NCU Doctoral programs — $560 per credit hour.
A Doctoral degree at NCU requires the completion of 81 credit hours
560 x 81= 45360 USD
TOO EXPENSIVE FOR MY POCKET!

2) University of Northern Washington
American Association of Private Post-Secondary Education"
WHAT IS THIS ? (obviously, a bogus accreditor)

Conclusion: Breyer State University = 5,000 USD, excellent
faculty, excellent curriculum (you can see it on their website, firstclass textbooks,
educational material, and support). Accreditation: private -not regional. Problem?
Not at all if you don't need a state license to practice your profession.
YOU SEE THE ECONOMIC DIFFERENCE IS HUGE: 5,000/50,000 usd= 1/10= 10% !

So, study your lesson again! It's easy to comment on what Mr J Wasser did, or on
Fox Channel made up "scandals", but it is extremely difficult to provide real answers to real problems.
Render accredited education affordable to all people and then start closing down schools in Alabama...

SF August 8, 2009 at 10:22 a.m.

I’ve decided (!):
1) It appears (from information and facts known so far) that Mr J Wasser did actually attend a program of study at BSU. In other words, he attended courses, studied textbooks, submitted assignments, and a doctoral dissertation as well. Although, it appears (from information and facts known so far) that
2) His doctoral dissertation fails to meet the usual academic standards (size of sample used, unsophisticated research methodology etc)
3) Yet, one cannot infer (from the above) that his practices were deceptive. He has just submitted a sub-standard dissertation…
4) In addition, it a logical mistake to infer that all BSU dissertations are sub-standard. There is no support found towards such a generalization. On the contrary, -for instance- my 250 page PhD dissertation, includes 200 references, a sample of 165 participants, and sound research methodology used (hierarchical regression analysis, factor analysis etc) to support the 12 hypotheses of my study. Therefore, I suspect that both “good” and “bad” students/graduates can be found at BSU, which is also true for every University in the country.
5) Although, regarding the J Wasser case, the guy should have first checked wit his employer and the State of New Jersey, and THEN enroll for a doctoral degree (given the fact that he intended to use his degree for public employment in education AND within the State of NJ where the use of non- regionally accredited degrees is prohibited).
6) But, why should I (or everyone else) be concerned with what Mr Wasser did? I am neither a school teacher nor a public servant! (I am a self-employed professional management-organizational consultant; a lot of people like me –professionals, self-employed, executives of private companies would benefit a lot from a BSU MBA or PhD both in terms of knowledge and enhanced career opportunities; there is no reason to pay for accreditation if you do not really need it to practice your profession!).

sf August 8, 2009 at 2:29 p.m.

Yes indeed, we have found common ground!
You see when dogmatism and reductionism
are replaced by good will and critical
thinking, common ground can be reached quite
easily.

I agree that J Wasser (and every "Mr Wasser")
should, by no means, ignore the State law.

On the other hand one should not make the BSU
case a "J Wasser case" (reductionism);
every individual is a different case and the
educational quality/accreditation issue is quite
complex.

Also, some people have worked hard towards their
degree (like me; I have to surpass my modesty
and tell it...). So, by considering all non-accredited
studies as being either useless or fraudulent (dogmatism)
we are committing significant logical and ethical errors...

sf August 11, 2009 at 4:09 p.m.

My Dear “accredited” friend,

1. The fact that you have graduated from a regionally accredited school does not give the right to use this sort of rude, sarcastic, insulting language (“show it to your cat…” etc), which offends decent citizens…
2. Your language merely reflects the level of YOUR education …
3. I’ve graduated from two (2) regionally accredited schools (BA + MBA), and I consider myself in position to evaluate the quality of education provided by Breyer State University: it is excellent!
4. I (along with hundreds of BSU satisfied students) feel that the value of knowledge earned through BSU studies is 10 times greater than the value of your accredited degree (if you hold one, which I seriously doubt …).
5. To prove this, I invite/challenge you or anybody else to enter any kind of unbiased knowledge contest or test or assessment of any kind (in my field)…

sf August 14, 2009 at 7:07 a.m.

Breyer State University has nothing to do with bogus
education/credentials etc. BSU provides excellent
educational opportunities, real courses, real (great faculty),
and real learning!

I have said it many times, but I am going to state it
again for you: if you refer to an non-accredited degree
as if it was a regionally accredited one then you possibly
have an intent to deceive; BSU states the fact that it is
not regionally accredited thus allowing no confusion/deception
to take place; if you have eyes you can
see (their website); if you cannot see, then it is your
problem not BSU's.

LOL August 16, 2009 at 4:51 a.m.

"They're the guys who call up your employer and local newspaper and start telling them your education's not "legitimate" in their eyes"

IF your degree was legitimate in the first place, it would do fine being scrutinized. If you bought a Breyer State diploma mill degree, you get what you deserve.

If someone called my employer and said my degree wasn't real, it would be easy to dismiss these allegations.

tf2 August 16, 2009 at 6:37 a.m.

"If someone called my employer and said my degree wasn't real,.."

Could you please explain to me why somebody should get involved in this sort of
activity scrutinizing degrees and calling up employers)? Is that an obsession of yours,
are you the "good samaritan of educational justice", or what?
I can only see financial reasons -motives behind your
actions...

tf August 17, 2009 at 6:08 a.m.

As long as you don't identify yourself
as well as the reasons leading you to get
involved in this sort of "investigation",
one can suspect that you are attacking BSU
in order to support the School you run
yourself or the one you are working for
etc...

And, no "party" is completely "independent"...
When a School is being defamed, attacked,
closed down, its competitors get the benefit..
Regionally accredited Schools are trying to establish
a monopoly... a practice which is both illegal
and unconstitutional.

tf August 18, 2009 at 7:30 a.m.

Q.: "why the top administrators at Breyer State University haven't sued for defamation???"

A.: the top administrators of Breyer State University are preoccupied with preparing
the school's curriculum, organizing courses better, continuously advancing quality
of education and service providing to their students etc.
They do not have time to loose in meaningless lawsuits...

tf August 20, 2009 at 5:48 a.m.

Alabama changed the laws regarding post-secondary
education overnight! BSU decided to move to California
where it operates 100% legally. In case, you believe
something illegal is committed, please feel free to
call your local police station and ask them to arrest them!

Here's August 20, 2009 at 11:48 p.m.

"BSU decided to move to California where it operates 100% legally"

Incorrect, Breyer State is not currently licensed by any state, which in the US, is one step above irrelevant as far as quality is concerned.

I can find the two states that directly banned BSU in the last year, but no reports that they had been licensed in Calfiornia. Please post a link.

Interested Customer August 23, 2009 at 5:06 a.m.

If a buy a degree, how soon can they have it shipped to me? I am applying for a job and 2 weeks for a position.

Thanks in advance for the info.

BSU at the top of distance learning education August 23, 2009 at 11:24 a.m.

BSU is at the top of distance learning education.
I have been searching a university to continue
my studies while working and having family at
the same time; I found BSU which offers exactly
what I needed: very interesting curriculum,
up-to- date textbooks, excellent faculty,
superior services, and an affordable price.
The fact that it does not have regional accreditation
does not bother me at all. I am not working as
a civil servant, and my employer is accepting my degree
for promotion. Moreover, I will be learning new
things completely at my own pace, guided by excellent
professors!
I really do not understand those people who are trying
to harm the School's reputation. If they don't like
BSU they can just attend another school...
Thanks

experts???? August 25, 2009 at 8:27 p.m.

hxxp://www.dltruth.com/showthread.php?tid=22

who is the real "Wolf in lambs clothing"?
who are those self-appointed "experts" who
decide what is of academic value and what
is diploma mill?

Just love it August 26, 2009 at 1:30 p.m.

I love when something less than favorable is said about BSU on here....the BSU "lackey's" come on here defending it. They must monitor this site from their "virtual" office in Los Angeles 24/7!

You gotta love it!

tf August 31, 2009 at 4:54 p.m.

"...The courses were great, the instructors were great..."

1) Even, in your (imaginery) story, you AMDITTED THAT THERE ARE COURSES, INSTRUCTORS AND THAT THEY ARE GREAT! THIS CONTRADICTS YOUR PREVIOUS CLAIMS (THAT BSU IS A MAILBOX THAT SELLS DEGREES FOR A FEE, NO COURSES, NO INSTRUCTORS ETC).
Next time you write bullxxxit stories mind your own (previous)comments first!

2) If people were actually arrested for attending Schools with "great courses and great instructors" then injustice
would prevail instead of fair law... (This only happens in Bullsxxistan , wake up!)

tf September 2, 2009 at 4:46 a.m.

Why don't you try the "Slander Flakes", they taste great
and they come with a degree in "General BullXXXing
& Propaganda Communications" (limited offer).

Another award for BS "u" September 7, 2009 at 10:31 p.m.

Breyer "State" "University" proudly makes the list of "Known Diploma Mills"

www.diplomamillnews.blogspot.com/

kouzoulos September 9, 2009 at 2:29 p.m.

@tf,

maybe by character :p

When I asked the department of postsecondary education of AL if BSU was a scam or a diploma mill I got this reply:

"Breyer State University is licensed to operate in Alabama by the Alabama Department of Postsecondary Education (ADPE) and so to issue legal degrees. This institution is not accredited by an agency recognized by the U.S. Department of Education or the Council on Higher Education Accreditation. If you need additional information as to its licensure you may call Joan Davis with ADPE at 334-242-2982.

Nancy B. Lacey, J.D.
Staff Associate
Office of Institutional Effectiveness and Planning
Alabama Commission on Higher Education
P.O. Box 302000
Montgomery, Alabama 36130-2000
Email: nancy.lacey@ache.alabama.gov
Office: (334) 242-2109
Fax: (334) 242-0268

now that BSU is in California...I think it's the same...

Nice try September 10, 2009 at 4:24 a.m.

"Breyer State University is licensed to operate in Alabama by the Alabama Department of Postsecondary Education (ADPE)"

Not that I expect anyone from BS "u" to do any competent research, but that is the same agency who threw BU "u" out of the state for being a diploma mill on 7/14/2008. Here is the formal ejection from the head of the department:

www.hep.uiuc.edu/home/g-gollin/pigeons/2...

"now that BSU is in California...I think it's the same..."

Try not to think. You forgot their 2 week stop in Idaho, which also booted them.

California has no regulation over diploma mills right now and BS "u" does not hold any valid license just a mail drop in California.

tf September 10, 2009 at 5:10 a.m.

1) "California has no regulation over diploma mills right now ..."
Every State has the right to establish its own regulations regarding post-secondary education (US constitution). Why should California change its laws -to please you and the (mills) you represent/work for? When a state law serves your interests it is a "good" state and when not it is a "bad" one? You are not in position to judge California's (or any other states) laws!

2) "No, there are many well-recognized online programs that deserve praise..."

If this is the case, then why both Capella and UoP (both accredited) have received SUCH NEGATIVE COMMENTS on this website? Please, explain...

3) My opinion? Everyone can write a negative comment, its easy, costs nothing, and moreover it helps you feel better if you are depressed... In addition, some guys are (presumably) paid to do this dirty work...

Inside Higher Ed Article - Diploma MIlls September 10, 2009 at 12:28 p.m.

HEre's a good article on Idaho booting Breyer State.

The colleges, he said, are “looking for more fertile ground.” (Breyer State, which has a history in Idaho, seems to have established itself in its third state this year

www.insidehighered.com/news/2008/08/19/c...

tf September 10, 2009 at 5:03 p.m.

Is BSU responsible for the changes in regulations that
took place last year in Alabama and Idaho?

How can a School be fully licensed by the Alabama
dept of Post-Secondary Education on "day one" (June 7, 2008)
-for four years- and then, next "day two" (June 8, 2008)
loose its license? It's a bit surprising, isn't it?

On what basis did Chancellor Bradley Byrne made up his
mind to change the law? Why did he resign one year later
to enter the political race for the State's elections?

What would have happened if in the position of the leader
of post-secondary ed dept was not Chancellor Bradley, but
say Chancellor "Somebody" who would renew BSU's license...

Finally, are laws and regulations dependent upon whoever
Chancellor's wishes, intentions, decisions, mood etc or are they
supposed to serve the interests of the majority of citizens?

Look what I found... September 10, 2009 at 7:56 p.m.

After doing some hard reserarch into BSU, I came up with this...how disgusting and vile! Now I know this school is fake.

www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/investigative/F...

JRR September 13, 2009 at 12:35 p.m.

Breyer State University appears to controversial for me. I feel anyday its no longer going to be in existence. I'm taking my eduction elsewhere.

Diploma Mills still allowed in Cali September 14, 2009 at 5:17 p.m.

What a mess, diploma mills get another breather in Cali, oversight delayed again.

"SB 489 (Liu), Private postsecondary education: Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education
Reform and Student Consumer Protection Act of 2009
As Amended April 1, 2009 Commission position – Watch
Senate Business, Professions and Economic Development Committee — failed deadline, now a 2-year bill
This bill enacts the Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education Reform and Student Consumer
Protection Act of 2009. The bill establishes a Bureau for Private Postsecondary Education
(BPPE) in CPEC and authorizes CPEC to establish policies and guidelines and to adopt
regulations for providing oversight of private proprietary and other specified schools operating
in California. The bill requires these institutions to apply to the BPPE for licensure and establishes
procedures and standards for application and BPPE licensure."

Wasser resigns September 15, 2009 at 3:33 a.m.

Recent BSU graduate Dr. Wasser, who was stripped of his doctoral degree in the state of New Jersey.

www.app.com/article/20090914/NEWS/909141...

tf2 September 15, 2009 at 8:30 a.m.

Moreover, YOU KNOW NOTHING about BSU (and the educational system in general).
Try to answer the following questions (that prove your total ignorance):

- What courses/degrees are provided by BSU?
- Which textbooks are recommended/taught?
- How many assignments are needed per course?
- What's the grading system?
- What are the entry requirements?
- What are the standards for writing a thesis/dissertation?

Tell me the truth, do you really know anything on those matters?

I suspect, that you are just searching the internet for negative articles on BSU and then you just republish them!
(I also suspect that you are not doing this for free!)

Also, the fact that you don't reveal your identity (not your name, but your occupation, qualifications etc) diminishes
the credibility of what you support...

Detail you requested September 21, 2009 at 8:50 p.m.

June 3, 2008

David M. Kolenich, Ph.D.
Principal & CEO
Breyer State University-Alabama
2100 South Bridge Parkway
Suite 650
Birmingham, AL 35209

Dr. Kolenich:

The Alabama Department of Postsecondary Education has received the application for renewal of the Private School License for Breyer State University-Alabama as well as other requested documentation. The last set of transcripts for faculty was received May 7, 2008.

The Code of Alabama (1975), Section 16-46-5 (j) (1), requires that the courses, curriculum, and instructions of such school are consistent, in quality and content, with recognized educational standards as determined by the Alabama State Department of Education or the Alabama Department of Postsecondary Education, as appropriate.

Based on the above Code section, the State of Alabama Board of Education adopted The Guidelines for Policy, Private School Licensure in Alabama (GFP). In addition to these guidelines the Board of Education has adopted Board Policies (BP) that guide and direct the Department of Postsecondary Education, therefore providing a recognized standard, these are enclosed. After review by the Instructional and Legal Divisions, the following are critical issues with the renewal application:

? The Breyer State University Associate’s Degree Program requires 60 credit hours, which is consistent with other universities and Board Policy adopted by the State of Alabama Board of Education. For online degree programs, Breyer State University allows up to 75% of degree requirements by credit transfers of courses which are equivalent to required courses in the degree curriculum and/or up to 15 semester credit awards by prior learning portfolio assessment. A combination of transfer credits and credits by prior learning portfolio assessment are allowable for up to a total of 75% of the degree

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? Course syllabi presented are not adequate and consistent in quality and content as other universities in the same class. This is a violation of GFP (IV) (B) (1) which requires that each course, the curriculum, and instruction provided by each private school shall be consistent in quality and content with recognized school standards determined by the Department of Postsecondary Education.

? Board Policy 712.01 requires the General Education Core consisting of Written Composition, Humanities and Fine Arts, Natural Science and Mathematics, History, Social, and Behavioral Sciences for all degree programs. Based on the Curriculum outline, only degree programs offered in the Degree Completion Program are required to complete General Education Core curriculum. The Degree Completion Program only offers the Prior Learning Portfolio Assessment and Independent Study for the major course work. The other programs of study, Self-Design and Online Degree do not require these four areas of concentration along with the concentration for the major. This is a violation of GFP (IV) (B) (1) which requires that each course, the curriculum, and instruction provided by each private school shall be consistent in quality and

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Therefore, for example, it is unacceptable for faculty to teach a nursing course in critical care with a doctorate in chiropractic medicine.

? Of the transcripts that have been provided, many degrees are not from an accredited institution. This is a violation of BP 605.02 which sets the minimum requirements of faculty and specifically references accredited institutions.

Breyer State University – Alabama has four (4) major State of Alabama Board of Education Policy violations and eight (8) Guidelines for Policy, Private School Licensure in Alabama violations. These number of violations have been determined to be serious both individually and cumulative. Therefore, the Alabama Department of Postsecondary Education is not issuing a renewal Private School License based on GFP (III) (A) (4-5). Please remove the Private School License approval from all educational and advertising material immediately. Also, please begin to make plans to cease all courses offered to students. Breyer State University – Alabama may apply for a Private School License in the event these violations are corrected to the satisfaction of the Department.

Sincerely,

Lynne Thrower
Associate Counsel

LT/am

Enclosures

cc: Bradley R. Byrne, Chancellor
Alabama Department of Postsecondary Education
Nancy Lacey, J.D.
Alabama Commission on Higher Education

tf2 September 22, 2009 at 6:26 a.m.

to complete my assessment, I also comment on the following:

The "Honorary Doctorate Degree Program" and the "Self-design" programs do not exist any more at BSU (although, many accredited schools do offer these options !)

The portfolio evaluation procedure is meant to serve those students who have already taken courses on the same subject elsewhere, thus there is no reason to take the same course twice (Imagine myself: BA econ, MBA, DBA + 20 years of work experience; a lot of overlapping courses ...).

I do not intend to say that there is no room for improvement at BSU! But, on the other hand, to condemn a school just because its courses ARE NOT IDENTICAL TO THOSE OF OTHER SCHOOLS (..."based on the recognized standards...") is unfair.

BSU Question?? September 23, 2009 at 1:59 p.m.

So with reading the above propaganda when can we see BSU re-enter Alabama???? When is BSU going to come of the "Diploma Mill List"??? When can we see the states of Oregeon, New Jersey, and Texas, declare that Breyer State University is a school taken off their "illegal" list??

When that happens, BSU would have a shred of credibility. For now, there worthless.

Anonymous September 26, 2009 at 1:12 a.m.

A very challenging and great experience. I loved the structure.
I had a great learning experience at BSU. Communication in all regards was absolutely mind boggling; they surely do understand the concept of customer service. Tuition is decent too. The downside to obtaining a degree at BSU is that they aren’t accredited by anyone recognized by the DOE, so most employers won’t recognize the degree. You will find though, that if you look hard enough (as I did), that there are human beings out there that will recognize it as long as you have some type of experience. Experience is very important to some people, often better than a piece of paper.
The main thing here is that learning does take place at BSU. But I do not understand why they do not get accredited. People that run this school have degrees from many accredited institutions; Phd’s, MBA’s, you name it. These guys are like the FREE MASONS or something. I know they can get accredited if they wanted to..with ease.

In other areas:
The only people that should be bashing BSU are those that had a poor experience with them. If you never attended BSU, then what you say is worthless. If you attended BSU and obtained your degree and now you cannot use, then that's your own fault. You knew that they weren't accredited when you signed up.

kouzoulos September 27, 2009 at 7:40 a.m.

as many of you like the COPY-PASTE option of windows, I'll do the same for my personal experience (at least I have one with BSU):

Bibliography for my BSc in CS:

1.Introduction to Information Technology. Turban, E., Potter, R., and Kelly, R. John Wiley & Sons Publishing. 2008: ISBN # 978-0-470-27975-5

2.Information Technology for Management: Transforming Organizations in the Digital Economy. Turban, McLean, Weatherbe. Wiley; 6th edition (January 2, 2008): ISBN # 9780471787129

3. Designing the User Interface: Strategies for Effective Human Computer Interaction. Schneiderman, B. 4th edition. Addison-Wesley. ISBN # 0-321-19786-0

4.Object First with JAVA -A practical Introduction using BLUE J 3rd ed. David Barnes & Michael Kolling. Pearson Education. 2006: ISBN #9780131976290

5. Modern Database Management 8th ed. Jeffrey A Hoffer, Mary B, Fred R, F. Prentice-Hall. 2006: ISBN # 9780132212113

6.Systems Analysis and Design. Kendall, K. and Kendall, J. 6th edition. Prentice-Hall. 2005: ISBN # 131454552.

7. The Essential Guide to Computing: The Story of Information Technology by E. Garrison Walters. Pearson Education. August 2000. ISBN # 0130194697

8. Guide to Operating Systems. Michael Palmer and Michael Walters. Third Edition. Course Technology. ISBN: 0619-21347-7

9. Networking BASICS by Mark Ciampa. 2nd Edition. Course Technology. January 13, 2003. ISBN: 0-619-05582-0.

10: Guide to Telecommunications Technologies by Tamara Dean. Course Technology. October 14, 2002. ISBN: 0-619-03547-1.

11. Guide to Cisco Networking, Third Edition, Author: Kelly Cannon, Kelly Caudle, ISBN: 0-619-21346-9, Publisher: Thomson Course Technology

12.Software Engineering: Theory and Practice, Second Edition. Shari Lawrence Pfleeger. 2001: ISBN # 131469134

13. Software Quality Assurance: From Theory to Implementation. Daniel Galin. 2004: ISBN # 0-201-70945-7

14. Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach. Stuart Russell and Peter Norvig, Prentice Hall, 2nd edition, 2003:

15. Elaine Rich and Kevin Knight, Artificial Intelligence, Mc Graw Hill, 2nd Edition,

16. The Sciences of the Artificial. Herbert A. Simon, MIT Press, 3rd Edition (2nd printing)

17; Common Lisp: The Language. Guy Steele, Digital Press, 2nd Edition

plus the study guides that I had in the online classroom plus the advice/recommendation by my professor.

can you tell me if it is easy and bogus to clear at least 5 assignments for each course plus the final exams?Also to write down papers/projects for some courses + a thesis of 55 pages...

if all these are bogus and if it is the required work of a degree mill university, then...yes BSU is a mill!!!

the fact that BSU don't have general education courses in the BSc in CS program, doesn't make it bogus...

thx

kouzoulos September 27, 2009 at 7:15 p.m.

hey SF,

it is just a copy-paste of a previous post of mine but as some persons in here they like the C-P option and they don't read the previous posts...;)

ps: yes,yes bsu is a mill we know it you self-called DL experts :p

Good Assessment September 28, 2009 at 12:37 p.m.

It should also be noted, most, if not all instructors, have unaccredited credentials themselves--mainly from, you guessed it!...Breyer State University. The university founded by an individual who accredited this
university with his own accrediting agency.

One of the most common methods of deceit behind diploma mills.

Folks, be prepared for counter arguements after this is posted. There are several people who monitor this site 24/7. There sole job is to discredit the so-called "malcontents", and come on this site with "...I went to BSU, and found my courses and instuctors so fullfilling...."

You will find their propaganda ad-nausem. A most recent case of controversey regarding Breyer State University is with H. James Wasser, superintendent of the Freehold Regional High School District in New Jersey. When the state discovered he had a doctorate in education from BSU, the quickly stripped him of his degree.

Wow..I googled "Wasser" September 28, 2009 at 5:01 p.m.

This is unbelievable!!!! I googled the name "Wasser" and came up with reams of information regarding him and his fraudulent unaccredited degree from Breyer State Univesity. Here is a link I thought was really apalling.

No Breyer State University for me!

www.app.com/article/20090916/OPINION01/9....

tf September 28, 2009 at 5:12 p.m.

how much are you paid to do this? (Iam curious...)
why are you so interested in BSU and Mr Wasser?
tell people who you are first and then start writing ....

tf September 28, 2009 at 6:49 p.m.

So, what do you do for a living?

Theo October 1, 2009 at 4:43 a.m.

"So, what do you do for a living?"

Personally, my job is to keep unqualified individuals from being hired at our organization.

As part of my job, I stay informed on diploma mills, accreditation mills, forged credentials, and similar topics.

We have hundreds of applicants a week, and their degrees are of all types, from all countries, and all levels of recognition.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask, I am sure I have seen it.

Theo October 1, 2009 at 12:23 p.m.

Wow, you are way off base on how it works, I only have time to correct the first wrong assertion.

"I understand that it is easier for you to separate individuals into "accredited" and "non-accredited"
rather than examining what they really know, if they
have got any real education and skills."

For each position, there are the minimum requirements that are substantially related to the position. For example, for an RN, the minimum requirement is that they should have a BS-Nursing and 3 years of experience. This is merely a gatekeeper to screen out those that don't make the bare minimum. For those that meet the minimum requirements, credentials don't play a further role as you imply. After the minimum standard, it is a heavy emphasis on "real knowledge", skill, and value.

The point is, however, that a BSU grad would not make the minimum education standard in the first place.

If it's not obvious why, I'll explain in my next post.

tf October 1, 2009 at 5:48 p.m.

"a BSU grad would not make the minimum education standard""

answer:

1. Most BSU grads already hold a first degree from an RA
University so they do meet the "minimum requirements".
For instance, an individual may hold a Bachelor's degree
from ABC University (regionally accredited) and an MBA (distance learning)
from Breyer State University.

2. Only few jobs require a regionally accredited degree
in order to get a license (eg. nurse, lawyer etc.). There
are hundreds of jobs where no specific degree and/or license
is required (salesperson, computer analyst, marketing director, journalist etc).

3. A third solution would be to alter your selection criteria.
Are all graduates from regionally accredited
schools high performers? No. So, why not trying graduates
from privately accredited schools? Once you try, you'll
be convinced! Then, you will be seeking for BSU grads to
recruit within your firm.

Theo October 5, 2009 at 10:34 p.m.

Sorry, don't stop by every day.

"1. Most BSU grads already hold a first degree from an RA University so they do meet the "minimum requirements".
For instance, an individual may hold a Bachelor's degree from ABC University (regionally accredited) and an MBA (distance learning) from Breyer State University."

Correct, a person with a real bachelors degree and a BSU MBA would qualify for jobs requiring a bachelors degree, but not those requiring an MBA.

"2. Only few jobs require a regionally accredited degree in order to get a license (eg. nurse, lawyer etc.). There
are hundreds of jobs where no specific degree and/or license is required (salesperson, computer analyst, marketing director, journalist etc)."

Correct again, BSU grads do not qualify for a job requiring certification / licensing, but are more than free to seek jobs not requiring a degree.

"3. A third solution would be to alter your selection criteria. Are all graduates from regionally accredited
schools high performers? No. So, why not trying graduates from privately accredited schools? Once you try, you'll
be convinced!"

We have had very good luck with our candidate screening process, so do not see the need to lower standards. "Private accreditation", that's a novel concept. Can I also be a privately certified CPA? Or a privately licensed doctor?

tf October 6, 2009 at 5:25 a.m.

Dear "THEO",

Your views are respected and true to the extent that they serve your goals and needs ("... We have had very good luck with our candidate screening process, so do not see the need ..."). Thus, there is no need to change what YOU have in mind.

By the way,private accreditation means non-govermentally controlled accreditation, provided by an accreditor not registered with the Dept of Education. Breyer State University is privately accredited by Educational Accreditation Association (EAA) (see their website for standards and policies).

In a country of freedom and choice (US), I would expect you to respect our views as well. Private accreditation does not imply lack of accreditation or/and lower standards; on the contrary, sometimes it is synonymous to stricter policies and standards. Within US, it is perfectly legal to hold private accreditation (see Dept of Education official website); in addition, DOE itself confess that there are many good quality schools not-regionally accredited (see DOE website again). So, your effort to present BSU as being illegal etc, is actually distorting the truth.

In my view, BSU is providing top quality education that in some cases surpasses the limitations of the traditional system (general education courses irrelevant to one's major etc). So your effort to present BSU as providing useless and meaningless degrees which are not accepted by employers is actually distorting the truth (again). You cannot speak on behalf of ALL the employers...(!). There are (a lot of) companies that put emphasis on WHAT ONE (candidate) REALLY KNOWS (has learned) which (believe me) IS NOT DIFFICULT TO FIND OUT ONCE THE PERSON IS HIRED / PROMOTED !

Again, you may have your own prejudices, policies, and views. They are perfectly respected; although do not expect everybody else to share the same views; moreover do not try to impose your views to all of us who dare to think in a different manner!

Thanks

Scammy McFraudalot October 6, 2009 at 5:34 a.m.

"Within US, it is perfectly legal to hold private accreditation (see Dept of Education official website); in addition, DOE itself confess that there are many good quality schools not-regionally accredited (see DOE website again). So, your effort to present BSU as being illegal etc, is actually distorting the truth."

1. Can you point to where the DOE is promoting bogus accreditation and the wonderful qualities of unaccredited schools? It actually says the exact opposite.

2. BSU is illegal in my state, it is specifically listed on our state DOE website as a diploma mill, as well a many others. So when you say "not illegal", are you referring to your specific state? That may be true.

tf October 6, 2009 at 6:05 a.m.

"...BSU is illegal in my state, it is specifically listed on our state DOE ..."

1. Each State retains the right to accept or not degrees from certain Schools. This is not the same with what you claim (that BSU is illegal...). For instance, in California, BSU degrees are perfectly accepted.

2. Again, the lists you refer to are of indicative nature; their spirit is to help students make informed decisions on what school suits their personal/ educational needs.

My humble opinion October 7, 2009 at 1:08 a.m.

You can have all the unaccredited degrees from diploma mills as you like...JUST DON'T DO IT ON MY DIME!

Basically, if your a government worker, the bogus unaccredited degree better not be utilized to receive promotions, pay raises, and tuition reimbursement. That is the reason most governmental agencies state, " all degrees must be conferred by educational institutions accredited by an agency recognized by the USD Department of Education."

Hoaxy Mcscamalot October 7, 2009 at 4:26 a.m.

LOVED the parsing of the DOE website to make it look like the DOE loves diploma mills and thinks they are just swell.

You mention:
“Unaccredited institutions are not reviewed against a set of standards to determine the quality of their education and training. This does not necessarily mean that an unaccredited institution is of poor quality…”

But you forget the next few sentences:
"but earning a degree from an unaccredited institution may create problems for students. Some employers, institutions, and licensing boards only recognize degrees earned from institutions accredited by an accrediting agency recognized by the U.S. Department of Education.

Remember: In some states, it can be illegal to use a degree from an institution that is not accredited by a nationally recognized accrediting agency, unless approved by the state licensing agency."

etc, etc, etc. Won't bother doing it for all your gibberish, but the executive summary is that the DOE does not support or recommend diploma mills.

tf2 October 7, 2009 at 5:51 a.m.

Thanks God in America there are laws.
No matter the will of whichever state,
no matter your will to enforce / promote / sell
certain degrees provided by certain educational companies,
it appears that law and justice prevails in this country.
You cannot dictate people what to study and where,
it is contrary to the spirit of the US constitution;
and you cannot make people "hide" their degrees
because they are not accredited by your preferred
accrediting company. Finally, you cannot render illegal
whatever is contrary to your marketing & sales strategy.

tf October 8, 2009 at 5:22 a.m.

The level of your argumentation merely reflects the level of your ("accredited") education.

Dog Gets Unaccredited Degree October 11, 2009 at 4:57 a.m.

www.psychologytoday.com/blog/career-tran...

Rochville = Breyer State October 12, 2009 at 12:26 p.m.

"kouzoulos October 11, 2009 at 9:50 a.m.

@Dog Gets Unaccredited Degree

This has nothing to do with BSU.This article is for Rochville "uni"."

Rochville is exactly like BSU. A privately accredited university operating legally in the United States offering high quality non-traditional degrees.

Actually Rochville is more accredited that BSU.

"Rochville University is accredited by two recognized accreditation institutions: the Board of Online Universities Accreditation (BOUA) and the Universal Council for Online Education Accreditation (UCOEA)."

??? October 15, 2009 at 3:46 a.m.

Then, please explain the difference between Rochville and Breyer State. Both are unlicensed, privately accredited insitutions of higher education that offer a high-quality, low cost education.

True October 15, 2009 at 3:34 p.m.

Glad we can agree that Rochville = Breyer State in terms of quality and accreditation.

Rochville = Breyer State October 15, 2009 at 10:01 p.m.

"Can you give me a link where rochvile state it's location?"

Ahh, so now location is the hallmark of a legitimate institution. Hmmm, not sure if they have a fancy maildrop at a Mailboxes, etc, like Breyer 'state', but let me check.

"Their curriculum?their faculty?At least BSU state's all of that on their website"

I wish they wouldn't, a large % of BS "u" faculty hold diploma mill degrees, as noted in their ejection letter from Alabama.

"and it was licensed during 4 years in AL."

How did that end up, once the state took their first look at BS "u"?

BS.."U" October 16, 2009 at 2:09 a.m.

Gonna be on the run again. Probably going to another state safehaven. Are there any left??

Kouzoulos October 16, 2009 at 8:24 a.m.

at least you could use the same nickname always...you know, your IP is traced...always the same person, the same b..t...

romeo October 17, 2009 at 5:35 a.m.

Breyer State University is about to get DECT accreditation soon.

kouzoulos October 17, 2009 at 6:17 p.m.

@Beware DETC Accreditation

Approved by the CHEA and USDE !!!

stop making bad posts even for legitimate organization just because you want to sell your degrees!!!

I have 3 diplomas by DETC universities, and I had never a problem to transfer credits to other unis!

If BSU gets a DETC accreditation, it will be a huge step...

LOL, duh October 19, 2009 at 5:31 a.m.

"Kouzoulos October 16, 2009 at 8:24 a.m.

at least you could use the same nickname always...you know, your IP is traced..."

Really? What's my IP address then? I'll award you a BSU doctorate and I'll throw in 25 cents so you can get a cup of coffee.

Stick to things you're familiar with, such as denial and diploma mills.

?? October 19, 2009 at 10:02 p.m.

"romeo October 17, 2009 at 5:35 a.m.

Breyer State University is about to get DECT accreditation soon."

Why would they get a lower quality accreditation when they already have a high quality, private, self-accreditation?

kouzoulos October 20, 2009 at 2:19 p.m.

@G

lol!! It's not traced by me..dear Goglin!!!

the admins have all the IP's...so...

Anyone? October 21, 2009 at 4:54 a.m.

"romeo October 17, 2009 at 5:35 a.m.

Breyer State University is about to get DECT accreditation soon."

Why would they get a lower quality accreditation when they already have a high quality, private, self-accreditation?

My Boss October 25, 2009 at 11:28 a.m.

Was just outed with his degree from BSU...he was subsequently fired and had to pay back the three years of extra pay he received during the time of his employment.

Breyer State grads should check with their respective employers before garnering any pay raises associated with their degrees.

Bounty October 26, 2009 at 5:05 a.m.

To defame must mean it is not true, but there is plenty of documented evidence that Breyer State and Rochville are diploma mills.

Please explain how people are paid for outing Rochville / Breyer State "graduates"?

kouzoulos October 26, 2009 at 1:19 p.m.

as I can see, you repeat always the same so...I'll do the same:

When I asked the department of postsecondary education of AL if BSU was a scam or a diploma mill I got this reply:

"Breyer State University is licensed to operate in Alabama by the Alabama Department of Postsecondary Education (ADPE) and so to issue legal degrees. This institution is not accredited by an agency recognized by the U.S. Department of Education or the Council on Higher Education Accreditation. If you need additional information as to its licensure you may call Joan Davis with ADPE at 334-242-2982.

Nancy B. Lacey, J.D.
Staff Associate
Office of Institutional Effectiveness and Planning
Alabama Commission on Higher Education
P.O. Box 302000
Montgomery, Alabama 36130-2000
Email: nancy.lacey@ache.alabama.gov
Office: (334) 242-2109
Fax: (334) 242-0268

now that BSU is in California...I think it's the same...

Old Info October 27, 2009 at 5:13 p.m.

"now that BSU is in California...I think it's the same..."

Sorry, that is very dated info. BS "u" got it's Alabama license summarily yanked a year and a half ago.

kouzoulos October 27, 2009 at 10:18 p.m.

@old info

As Wasser's is!!!!! (but it is being repeated always)

Reeding is hadr October 27, 2009 at 11:31 p.m.

Reading for context is very difficult. The link discusses which states do not have meaningful regulation of diploma mills, and BS "u" has already failed in two of those virtually unregulated states.

Apparently you also missed all the articles, exposes, cease and desist orders, state law, and other diploma mill articles listed above. Would you like me to repost them all?

juliette October 28, 2009 at 5:05 p.m.

I got bored reading your comments
about whether BSU is accredited
or not and who has accredited who ...!
Is is that all you have to present
people? I would expect a more
serious argumentation that captures
the essence of educational programs...

Anyway, my girlfriend attended Breyer
and she is very happy with what she
has learned there. Also, her degree
was perfectly accepted by her employer;
I am planning to do the same ...
To me, accreditation does not matter
at all, I study for myself, to improve
what I know, add more "value" to my work,
advance myself...

Julliette October 30, 2009 at 2:03 p.m.

It doesn't matter what you do for yourself. If your employer is not going to accept the "professional development" from a particular unaccredited school--either for a pay raise, promotion, or just getting into the organization--it means NOTHING!

If your going to do it for yourself--make sure it's accepted by others. Then you can truly say YOU DID IT FOR YOURSELF

I agree October 31, 2009 at 7:32 p.m.

I agree wholeheartedly about your definition about esteem. However, one can advance that self-esteem, when your education is accepted and recognized by others.

Once recognized and accepted, there are endless possibilites to one's career.

Note: Be sure your investment into your education and self-esteem will produce dividends. Be sure your employer or potential employer accepts education credentials from schools that ARE NOT recognized by accrediting agencies NOT recognized by the U.S. Department of Education.

Not bright enough for college November 3, 2009 at 4:35 a.m.

"I agree that one has to check first with his/her
employer," "Although, I assure you that a lot of employers/positions do not require a regionally accredited degree;"

Anonymous assurances are wonderful, but like all of these bogus claims, there is no evidence to back them up and they don't measure up to industry norms or common sense.

I am not aware of any employers that knowingly advertise for unaccredited / diploma mill degree holders and nobody can point to such a company that does.

99% of employers DO and WILL screen out these "degrees"

"self-employed people and those who practice non-license
requiring professions"

Agreed, if you do not have to pass a background screening check by an employer or your job is low enough level not to require a license or a terminal degree, then a Rochville / Breyer degree may be a good fit for you.

Julliette November 3, 2009 at 12:02 p.m.

I don't know whether your seeking emloyment/advancement in the private or government sector. However, if you are seeking those endeavours in government employment--you MUST acquire your degree from an accredited school. The poster that commented about private companies, convienantly left out employment in the government sector.

Ok, great November 5, 2009 at 4:56 a.m.

"I support that 85% of employers accept BSU degrees."

Then support it. The number stands at 0%

Only 10 to be convinced? Here's one simple search on Monster.com for "accredited degree" shows 4,348 jobs

"Unaccredited degree" and "Diploma mill" as common sense would dictate, no takers on the same search, sorry.

kouzoulos November 5, 2009 at 9:04 p.m.

And they won't find!

Have a nice day!

Real degree required November 6, 2009 at 4:51 p.m.

Well, I know this is complicated, but here is just a partial list from the search above that requires real degrees. Partial listing of the companies starting with the A's

1. 20/20 Companies
2. 20-20 Foresight
3. 24/7 real media
4. 3E
5. A+ Solutions
6. Advice, Inc.
7. AAFES
8. AAMVA
9. Accentcare
10. ACCN
11. Accountants International
12. Accounting Principles
13. ACT Consulting
14. ACT-1
15. Adams County
16. Adecco
17. Adecco Engineering
18. Adelphi University
19. Advanced Auto Parts
20. Adventist Care
21. Adventist Health
22. AECOM Design
23. AECOM Environmental
24. AECOM Transportation
25. AECOM Water
26. Aerojet
27. Aerotek
28. Affinity Building
29. Agape Senior
30. AGIA
31. AI Holdings
32. AIDS Healthcare
33. Aii
34. Ajilon Consulting
35. AKT LLP
36. Alaris Aerospace
37. Alaska Native Co.
38. Albertina Kerr Co.
39. ALC Recruiting
40. Alcon Labs

Sample Language "Bachelors of Science degree in Business, Marketing, Economics, Math, or Statistics from an accredited four year college or university"

La France se rend encore November 6, 2009 at 10:05 p.m.

"Here's one simple search on Monster.com for accredited degree" shows 4,348 jobs. Unaccredited degree and Diploma mill as common sense would dictate, no takers on the same search, sorry."

So I can pay real money to get a "degree" that will be accepted for 0 out of these 4,348 jobs, AND it's illegal in many US states. SOMEBODY SIGN ME UP!

BSU November 7, 2009 at 11:27 a.m.

Why is there so much emphasis on "private" employment?" What abut the government sector? BSU degrees WILL NOT be accepted by government (federal, state, county, municipal)agencies.

Govt jobs November 8, 2009 at 2:15 a.m.

"It is true though, that in some cases and for certain govermental positions a regionally accredited degree is required. That's the whole truth!..."

FALSE! An accredited degree is ONLY accepted by the government--and that's the whole truth!

tf November 8, 2009 at 8:40 a.m.

"“My degree was accepted for professional licensing with The American Academy of Grief Counseling”

K. Smith-NY

“Earning my degree from Breyer State University aided in my job promotion”

L. Hamilton-Jamaica

“My degree was accepted for professional licensing with Jordan Hospital Plymouth, Massachusetts”

E. Giroux-MA

“Goodwill Industries paid and accepted my degree from Breyer State University.”

K. Hills-CO

"Before I found out about Breyer State University, I wandered around with very limited prospects for my future. I had a real desire to excel, but had problems finding education opportunities while working full-time. After graduating with my masters degree, I was able to obtain a wonderful position with a sizeable salary! I am now in the doctorate degree program for Pastoral Counseling and Thanatology, and I am enjoying the challenge, wisdom and knowledge that I am gaining. I have since referred others to the school. When you find something of value, you share it!"

E. Anderson - Maryland"

hxxp://xxx.breyerstate.com/alumni/alumni-accomplishments.htm

Still need a response November 8, 2009 at 4:47 p.m.

"Here's one simple search on Monster.com for "accredited degree" shows 4,348 jobs. "Unaccredited degree" and "Diploma mill" as common sense would dictate, no takers on the same search, sorry."

Why don't employers accept unaccredited degrees?

HavemyPh.D. November 13, 2009 at 9:25 p.m.

If the point of getting a Ph.D. is to be able to teach or do research you need to have one from an accredited university there are no ifs, ands, or buts, about it. You will NEVER get a teaching or research position in the U.S. with a doctorate from a school not accredited by an organization recognized by the U.S. DOE.
You can scream about the process being random or meaningless all you want it is a simple fact. If you must walk around apologizing, defending or explaining your degree it is not worth the paper it is printed on. As I sit here in my office looking at 20+/- resumes for an adjunct and have found two doctorates from Ashwood and one from Breyer; what do you think I am going to do with them? They are going to be placed in the circular file that is what.
Stop deluding yourselves, wasting your money, and time it is like running in place you are not going to get anywhere. My God, I only found this site because the Breyer doctorate seemed a little off to me so I did a search for “Diploma Mills.” If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it must be a duck.

BSU in the news again "Faux-plomas" November 15, 2009 at 11:01 p.m.

FauxPlomas:A $1 Billion Industry."Degree mills are unaccredited organizations that charge a fee for a degree with little to no educational work required. These fraudulent institutions typically give credit for life experiences and often have no physical facilities. To be sure, not all unaccredited institutions are diploma mills--some may be striving toward accreditation, and others may simply be training schools. The average bogus diploma costs about $2,000, though that price is often negotiable. Diploma mills typically charge more for higher grades, letters of recommendation and phony transcripts, as well as answering services in case employers want to check credentials."

foxbusiness.com/story/personal-finance/on-topic/education/fauxplomas--billion-industry/

Yop November 16, 2009 at 6:46 a.m.

At BSU, Life experience credits are awarded in some cases after
extensive assessment of one's academic and
professional accomplishments.
The main reason that accredited schools have established
this propaganda war against BSU, is because BSU provides
far better education at an affordable price, so that
accredited schools loose their customers/students.
There are hundreds of good schools which have chosen not
to join the educational cartel of "accredited" institutions,
which offer degrees for a much larger amount of money
to unsuspected students who believe that the "accreditation
seal" will give them jobs.

BSU at the top November 17, 2009 at 6:29 a.m.

The main reason that accredited schools have established
this propaganda war against BSU, is because BSU provides
far better education at an affordable price, so that
accredited schools loose their customers/students.

Ummm November 17, 2009 at 6:04 p.m.

"The main reason that accredited schools have established
this propaganda war against BSU, is because BSU provides
far better education at an affordable price"

Good point, I did read that in the Fox Investigation.

FauxPlomas:A $1 Billion Industry - "The average bogus diploma costs about $2,000, though that price is often negotiable."

what about the "accreditation" industry? November 17, 2009 at 7:38 p.m.

If the unaccredited universities "industry" accounts
for 1 Billion US, imagine the multibillion accredited
education business game!
How many students have paid
50-100,000 USD for an accredited degree hoping that
they will find a decent job (which never came true)? How many of them are currently unemployed? Why is this
happening? Is it because the "accredited" educational
system failed to offer them practical, job-related knowledge, or what?
If you engage into researching merely everything
(actually "googling"), you should perhaps do a little
research on the return-on-investment (ROI) for an
accredited degree and the levels of unemployement
among accredited degree holders....

Where will Breyer State run to next? November 20, 2009 at 6:15 a.m.

"Where will they slink off to now? California again has a private postsecondary school licensing law"

cheyenneherald.com/_pdf/2009/October%202009/October%2027,%202009%20page%205.pdf

kouzoulos November 20, 2009 at 3:16 p.m.

up for "LOL's" post!!

thx man!!

Smart guy November 21, 2009 at 2:55 a.m.

up for "suckers" post!!

thx man!!