Colorado State University

Funny conversations going on here. CSU is a well-ranked, well-respected state university, also a Carnegie Research University. I am very proud to be a CSU student, as are many accomplished grads. You people are hilarious..

To the HR person: who really cares what you have to say? For all we know the company you worked for could have gone under because of your hiring practices! 

Bottom line: I think the point that the other guy is making is that CSU is your average state institution. You also need to know that 21 of the top 25 universities in the United States are private, not public. If you really want a public university though, there are better choices. 

Overall: CSU is adequate!

Bottom line: Is this a good learning institution? Any one enrolled in the Master in Management program? Experience with this institution? 

Thanks! 

The bottom line is this school is for working adults, not spoiled 18 year olds with a daddy to pay for everything.  For those in the real world that want a quality education and don't want to or can't put life on hold to do it, this is a great school.  No one will question the degree on your resume and it puts you on a level playing field with almost any other institution.  I spent 10 years in HR and a state school is a state school.  If you have the degree from a reputable school (not U of Phoenix or the likes), one is the same as the other to most employers and the rest falls back to your experience and interview skills. 

Now, to the ignorant person who said very, very few graduates have done anything notable, come on! Try a Nobel Prize winner, governor of Colorado, the man with the highest recorded IQ (check the Guinness Book of World Records), several astronauts, and the president of the University of Florida (for you other ignorant people, they have a 42% acceptance rate).   

The bottom line is that CSU Global is not trying to be an exclusive institution. They are trying to effectively serve a student population that the rest of higher education forgot!  

I keep reading all the crap out of Sean's mouth and I come to the conclusion that he has no facts to back up any of his arguments. He has never attended an online college, so my question to him is how does he know all this nagitive information about all these colleges that he keeps bringing up if he never attended any of the online schools. He is giving his bias beliefs. I work for a very large company that paid for my degree's and make a 6 figure salary. I have worked for a few company's and never had any management or HR representitive look down at me for any of my college's that I have attended. I have two B.S. degree's from state college's and a Master's degree from a for profit (UoP) and never had any problem getting a job because of the college I attended. As long as it is accredited and works out for you it does not matter and that is the truth with facts. The facts being my own experiences. 

I attended CSU and UoP online degree programs. I finished my B.S. degree through the global campus. I also completed a Master's degree from UoP. To be honest the UoP is more organized and the layout of the classes are the same for every class. Two papers every week this include team paper and individual paper. Discussion questions are a pain in the ass, but weed out the people who cannot stay desiplined. CSU Global is still working out the nitches and UoP has been doing the online degree's for a while. I think both schools provided good life learning experiance. In reality I have never came across any company that looked down at me for getting a UoP degree. Think of it this way UoP is for profit and has a lot more money to spend on their programs. The government funded colleges have budgets and don't spend a lot of money on their programs when compared to a for profit like UoP. Both schools have their pros and cons. It is a decision that you have to make. It is like choosing a car do you want the pretty sports car that is not worth a crap in the snow or the station wagon that has plenty or room and AWD that can go practically anywhere? 

Here is what you said to Paul D. Jan. 19, 2011:

"@Paul D is no college graduate, sounds like an online career student."

Actually, given all of your errors in grammar and in spelling I would say that you are the online career student.

In addition you said on Jan. 19, 2011:

"I went to a tier 4 college, Florida International U."

That I believe given the mistakes in your posts!  

You said:
"Rankings are only meaningful to those who base their decisions on rankings."

and

"With that being said it doesn't matter where you go to school....."

and  

"Not saying you should attend the University of Phoenix or Capella, but attending a school such as Colorado State University is fine choice."

You are contradicting yourself. If rankings mean nothing, why not go to a U.of Phoenix? why not go to an NA university? 

@Paul D is no college graduate, sounds like an online career student.

Rankings are only meaningful to those who base their decisions on rankings. Personally I think if you need to look at a school's rankings to make a decision you're not basing your decision on the strength of the program you want to enter. 

Basing eduction decisions on rankings sounds like shopping for cars.

I would be very skeptical of any 'Global' campus. Do some more research before you choose CSU Global Campus. Certainly not the best offer available.

I disagree.

While Colorado State University is a fine school to attend I would be skeptical as to why their global campus is separate from the university. I'm sure if you ask some Colorado State Univ. facualty members about the Global camps they will try to sway you from entering that program. 

University of Illinois had a global campus and disconnected it due to its for profit tendencies and due to the conflicts its curriculum had with the Universities programs.  

Some of the global campuses are also pilot programs, they sometimes are phased out with budgetary decisions. 

I'd look elsewhere.

I went to a tier 4 college, Florida International U. and earned a graduate degree there also in taxation.  I'm now earning six figures working for an accounting firm.  I've moved ahead of my competition who have earned degrees from higher ranked Universities such as the University of Miami and the University of Florida. 

With that being said it doesn't matter where you go to school its all about how you apply what you've learned to your career. 

Not saying you should attend the University of Phoenix or Capella, but attending a school such as Colorado State University is fine choice.

If you care that much about going to the best school aim for the best and try your hardest; however money is money and I have a lot it, more than some Ivy League Alum that I know personally who are nothing more that professional students. 

How many Colorado State Grads run Fortune 500 companies or are in any ‘high-profile’ positions in the government, academia or private industry? The answer is probably none (or very, very few). On the other hand the majority are graduates of elite schools dominate in these areas. The example you gave is the exception; not the rule. I don’t think the other fellow is trying to say that CSU is a bad school rather that it is not an elite school. There is no shame in that. CSU serves the purpose of getting an education for those that could not get into a better school.

How many Colorado State Grads run Fortune 500 companies or are in any ‘high-profile’ positions in the government, academia or private industry? The answer is probably none (or very, very few). On the other hand the majority are graduates of elite schools. The example you gave is the exception; not the rule. I don’ think the other fellow is trying to say that CSU is a bad school rather that it is not an elite school. There is no shame in that. CSU serves the purpose of getting an education for those that could not get into a better school.

Those acting quite childish on this forum seem to favor "elite" schools. This is exactly the same attitude one will find in the real world work environment - arrogance. Keep in mind, many people I work "with" have graduated from such "elite" schools. I do not work for them - they are coworkers. Seems their "elite" education has not provided quite the return on investment they had hoped for. A degree just opens doors. Each of us must prove our worth once we step through that door.

Also, one of the most important benefits of an elite school is not the knowledge one gains, its the relationships established during that time that more often provide the returns.

You said " The University of Nebraska has to accept you if you graduated from a Nebraska high school, like many Land Grant universities, such as CSU." That is exactly my point. The California State University System works in much the same way. They have a reputation of being inferior to most universities in California for just that reason....they have a very non-selective process compared with the better universities. Remember what Paul D. posted:

Fall 2007 Acceptance rate:
85.8 % (U.S. News and World Report)

How does this rate? Well, Wayne State University (who???), a tier 4 school, has an acceptance rate of 83.5; lower than that of CSU.

What about, say the top 25? In general, the acceptance rate is 9-23% (approximately). That indicates selectivity. An acceptance rate of 85.8% indicates non-selectivity.

CSU's acceptance rate is a joke!

I would say that an acceptance rate of nearly 86% is clearly non-selective. I am not saying that CSU is a bad universities, I am only saying that pretty much anybody gets in.

Wow, what a stunning debate this is....

Using acceptance rates is a joke in the first place to try to prove a point.  For instance, The University of Nebraska has to accept you if you graduated from a Nebraska high school, like many Land Grant universities, such as CSU.  So comparing these schools acceptance rates to private institions is comparing apples to oranges.

Do you get a better education at the Top Tier schools?  I could argue very effectively that you do not.  Theory and practice in most disciplines is the same across the board, regardless of what school you go to.  In the end there may be better contacts made for work after graduation at a Top Tier school, but you pay the price for that in higher tuition fees, etc.  What you do get is what we have seen here, perception is key.  If @Paul D were a hiring manager at a firm, his prejudice for Top 50 would most likely sway his decision in hiring.  This is not a slam against him, it is reality.  Being able to walk in and say, "I have my MBA from Wharton" gives immediate impact, whether or not the actual individual is any better than someone with a MBA from CSU.  By the way, one of the CSU professors is a Wharton graduate.

So there you go, it really comes down to perception of a program and to that I say to each their own.

CSU is fine! I agree! It has reasonable tuition and fairly good programs. You are also correct in pointing out that it is 100% better than the University of Phoenix, Westwood College etc. At least with CSU you don't have to be worried about someone laughing at you! I never said CSU is a horrible school however UoP, Westwood College, Kaplan etc. are.

I never said that CSU is an Ivy League school; I also never stated that CSU is an 'excellent' school. I will tell you this CSU is a far better school then University of Phoenix, Westwood College, as well as other “private” schools that offer accelerated and online degrees, these are all schools that charge $65,000+ for their tuition rates and pump out subpar degrees. “Degrees” that will never be accepted by the “subpar” state schools you speak of. 
If you want to pay for my housing, my living expenses, and my daycare costs for my two children I will accept it, quit my job and attend one of the top 50 universities. As a working, single mother of 2 children I do not have the expendable time or funds to quit my job and focus 100% of my life on a top 50 university. I work very hard for what I have and there will be no one that will ever stand in my way of ultimately getting my masters degree and becoming a CEO. I refuse to become a “victim” of my environment. So if you want to sit here and berate everyone that leaves a comment by all means do. However, I would think with your degree coming from one of these top 50 universities, you would have much more to do then to waste your time posting to this subpar comment section. 
This board is simply a means for people to make educated decisions about their future. If you want to be helpful, name specific schools that you feel non-traditional students can get quality education from that will not disrupt the lives of their children, their jobs, and ultimately their lives and must be affordable. 
Give options, Give solutions, don’t just ridicule, surely your education taught you this skill in basic conflict management. If not then maybe you should check out one of these state colleges for a refresher course.

University of Pennsylvania is a private university to begin with (please check your sources before using them. You must be a CSU grad). That means you can remove Warren Buffet and Donald Trump from your 'list'. That leaves you with three examples. Success does not equate to intelligence. I guess that takes two more off your list. Now you are left with Steven Spielberg. So I guess your 'pattern' has been torn apart. You may also notice that 9 of the top 10 universities in this country are private as well according to U.S. New and World Report(2010). 
Is this supposed to be a justification or proof that CSU is an 'excellent' school? CSU is a run of the mill unselective university. Again, as I said 'not bad' (however, certainly not top notch).

Warren Buffet -University of Pennsylvania, Sara Palin - University of Idaho, Oprah Winfrey - Tennessee State University, Steven Spielberg-California State University at Long Beach, Donald Trump - University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School of Finance. These are all very famous and very successful individuals.  For those of you that have not noticed the pattern, I will point it out. Every one of these very successful individuals has graduated from a state college. To say that state colleges are subpar and are for those that can’t hack it should really evaluate your opinion a little more. 
Also, when citing a source; cite it properly. I am currently pursuing my bachelor’s degree in Business Management at CSU Global. 

Famous People & the Schools they went to. (2008, October 16). Retrieved August 27, 2010, from College Crunch: collegecrunch.org/fun-stuff/famous-people-the-schools-they-went-to/

CSU is just an average, run of the mill school. The stats clearly show that. However, it is not bad either.

Colorado State is a good school. Anyone who passes judgment on a school like Colorado State needs their skull examined.  That's like passing judgment on schools like the University of Nevada, Georgia State University, Indiana State University and what about the satellite campuses of schools like Penn State, Rutgers or Texas AM.  

If you're going to base your entire judgment of a school on statistics from US-News or Princeton Review and not actually look at the schools programs, alumni base or notable achievements then you're judgment is very poor.

I did not attend Colorado State however I have reviewed the schools programs, achievements and notable faculty and Colorado State is a school worthy of praise.

It certainly should not be placed in a category of poor fly by night schools.

I don't usually post comments on these pages but, after reading everything on here, I just felt a bit compelled to say a few things.

I am a working mother going back to school, after 3 years. I have my A.S. in General Studies and have been working as a receptionist. Originally, I was attending the University of Utah to attain by BS, but life happened :-)

In my search to find a good school that fit what I was looking for, I came across some rather appalling excuses for educational institutions (to put it nicely). It's unfortunate that the for-profit institutions out there take advantage of many people who are just seeking to improve their standard of living with a reputable degree. 

That being said, I have chosen to attend CSU to complete my degree. I have been impressed by the help I've received and they have a much more comprehensive program than many of the for-profit "schools" and I feel that the degree holds much more weight.

I also choose this school because I would rather have CSU on a resume than "The University if Phoenix" or some other nonsense. Living in the mountain west, most small business employers out here like to hear that you've attended a state school out here (not to say that they won't like to see Harvard, of course, but a small business in Utah isn't expecting a Harvard grad. to walk through their doors and apply for a job any time soon).

So, yes, it's not the "best of the best", but it's better than most, for my circumstances, and for many others, I assume. In fact, for me, I see it as the best, as it will provide me with something credible that will advance my career and increase my family's standard of living. :-)

RE: Col State

You said "If you want that WOW factor on your resume then Colorado State is not your school. You might be better off looking into some of the other more prestigious schools that are ranked higher. Most employers that see Colorado State see it for what it is, a state college."

Thank you! That was one of my points all along!!!!

For those who are interested from a Colorado State Grad Student.

Colorado State University is a very large public school in the Colorado University public university system.  

As far as selectivity goes for the most part Colorado State is not selective (depending on the program) and this might be a good thing for some people for some it may not be.

I chose Colorado State for one reason, its cheap and I don't want loans.  I get a nice discount for being in state and my employer picks up the rest. When I'm done with the degree I get a 15% automatic raise.

I strongly considered other schools like Cal State, Northeastern, Drexel, Florida State and Penn State but all were very expensive.  

If you want a cheaper school and want to finish a degree in a year or two Colorado State isn't a bad choice.  

If you want that WOW factor on your resume then Colorado State is not your school. You might be better off looking into some of the other more prestigious schools that are ranked higher.  Most employers that see Colorado State see it for what it is, a state college.

I've read over the previous posts and find some of them very childish. Getting a college education is different for everyone.

Post Script: If money is not an issue look outside of Colorado state university.

Ryan;
Do you have a problem with facts and figures? I cited my source (and it is a respected one). The problem with people like you is, you just are confused by the facts. If it isn't an emotional argument with yelling and screaming, you don't want to hear it. I didn't want to confuse you with the facts, but there they are.

You are right....Paul D. is a jerk!

As a business owner, I wouldn't hire Paul D., no matter where he earned his degree.

Hello Nessa.  I too have been looking into CSU and Texas A&M-Commerce.  They both are fantastic schools despite what all these people have been saying on this board. Ultimately Texas A&M is cheaper for me by about $3500-$4000, and the Texas A&M system is a very reputible system. So I think I am leaning more towards that. Both schools advisors etc have been fantastic to work with via phone and emails. Good luck!

Fall 2007 Acceptance rate:
85.8 % (U.S. News and World Report)

How does this rate? Well, Wayne State University (who???), a tier 4 school, has an acceptance rate of 83.5; lower than that of CSU.

What about, say the top 25? In general, the acceptance rate is 9-23% (approximately). That indicates selectivity. An acceptance rate of 85.8% indicates non-selectivity.

CSU's acceptance rate is a joke!

You are correct. I cannot explain the acceptance rate! CSU does let everyone in!

So I am really considering Colo State for their online MBA program. So far the advisors have been great and Colo State has been recognized as a "20009 Best Buy" online MBA programs due to their tution rates being low. I am also considerign Texas A&M University-Commerce any suggestions?

Fall 2007 Acceptance rate:
85.8 % (U.S. News and World Report)

How does this rate? Well, Wayne State University (who???), a tier 4 school, has an acceptance rate of 83.5; lower than that of CSU.

What about, say the top 25? In general, the acceptance rate is 9-23% (approximately). That indicates selectivity. An acceptance rate of 85.8% indicates non-selectivity.

CSU's acceptance rate is a joke!

You are correct. I cannot explain the acceptance rate! CSU does let everyone in!

Hi Esther!

I've recently transfered to CSU global because I was interested in the public management undergrad degree. In my experience, the admissions process was almost enjoyable. One individual answers your questions, helps you fill out an application, transfer credits, apply for financial aid and enrolls you in your first classes. I found previous credit acceptance quite reasonable as well. So far, my profs have been well qualified, knowledgeable and responsive. I've been able to apply every subject to my current position as well. Additionally, a state government HR manager commented that the school was quite strong in Public Management.

This is only my personal experience, but I hope it helps!

Fall 2007 Acceptance rate:
85.8 % (U.S. News and World Report)

How does this rate? Well, Wayne State University (who???), a tier 4 school, has an acceptance rate of 83.5; lower than that of CSU.

What about, say the top 25? In general, the acceptance rate is 9-23% (approximately). That indicates selectivity. An acceptance rate of 85.8% indicates non-selectivity.

CSU's acceptance rate is a joke!

You are correct. I cannot explain the acceptance rate! CSU does let everyone in!

Hello...I am looking into transferring my AABA in business management to CSU with BS in Public Management degree. After narrowing down my choices to 3 other online, for whatever reason or another the others don't seem to work out and CSU seems to be my last resort. 

Can anyone tell me what they think about the school in terms of the acadmics, transfer policies, and tuition?

You said :

"I don't know much about Colorado State but I can honestly say if I saw a graduate degree from Colorado State on a resume I probably would be impressed and think that the person applying for the job is well educated."

That is only because your standards are very low!!!!!

Finally someone who knows CSU speaks the truth and admits the school sucks! Thank you Tier One!

Sorry guys.I'm wrong about CSU. It does suck and I have a B.S. in B.S.

Col State is ranked as a tier one college and is #64 on the top 100 public universities in the nation.

As for their acceptance rate I think you need to look more into that statistic rather then simply comparing the school to another school such as Wayne State (which is a very good university).

is Colorado state required to admit a certain amount of students to receive its state grants?

what type of students are applying to Colorado State?

Bloomfield College of NJ has a 28% acceptance rate and is ranked tier 4?

Cheney University of PA has a 34% acceptance rate and is tier four, not even ranked nationally?

"this post is for the fool that ranks a University based on its acceptance rates and not where its graduates go".

Please explain this:

Fall 2007 Acceptance rate:
85.8 % (U.S. News and World Report)

How does this rate? Well, Wayne State University (who???), a tier 4 school, has an acceptance rate of 83.5; lower than that of CSU.

What about, say the top 25? In general, the acceptance rate is 9-23% (approximately). That indicates selectivity. An acceptance rate of 85.8% indicates non-selectivity.

CSU's acceptance rate is a joke!

Is a pretty good ranking if you ask me.

There must be over thousands of universities in this country that are not even close to that ranking.  

Being anywhere near the top 100 is a good statistic.

to mostly state universities such as Colorado State then rankings are more or less meaningless. 

There are some state schools that standout above the rest but just because a school is ranked as a top school doesn't mean that's the school you should apply to.

If that is the case then you might as well just apply to a top ten school.  Otherwise comparing Colorado State ranked at 125 nationally to a 50, 60 or 70 nationally ranked school is meaningless. 

These school rankings are usually not proficient anyway as many universities do not participate in them.  

I don't know much about Colorado State but I can honestly say if I saw a graduate degree from Colorado State on a resume I probably would be impressed and think that the person applying for the job is well educated.

Earned an MBA (online) from Col State.  Got promoted after earning the degree.

My choices (admitted) were Colorado State, University of Colorado, Mississippi State, University of Florida, Auburn.

I chose Col State because it was inexpensive and offered a quality curriculum.  Florida U was without question the highest ranked school however I would have had to pay an additional 20 grand that my job would not cover, and the program required on campus visits each semester which is a very far journey from where I'm located.
I finished my degree in four years part time and I am earning about 30% since graduating.

Negatives about the program. The program is lock step which means you really can't take any time off from the program once you've started it.  It doesn't offer a high selection of concentration electives (most online MBA's don't offer a wide selection of electives) and it requires a lot of coursework, almost 18 classes.

I have no regrets however I wish the program had more exposure to accounting course work as I will be entering a MS in accounting. 

Overall the program did what it was supposed, it brought me a higher paycheck and I paid ZERO dollars to earn the degree.

I've researched a lot of universities with online programs and Colorado State University offers a decent selection.

As far as rankings are concerned; Colorado State University is what it is; its a very large public land grant University.  It is ranking nationally and ranked as a top school in many fields of study but is it a top 10, 20 or 30, not definably not, but then again neither are a lot of notable schools.  When discussing rankings I think its important to understand a couple of points.

1. Whats the difference between a top 50 or a top 100 school really mean? Does it mean you can't secure a job? Does it mean you will be laughed at when citing your degree on your resume?  --NO-- it means none of these.

Unless you are talking about attending Harvard vs. a school like Colorado State University the argument is pointless.

Example: Florida International University is ranked as a tier four college however the program has one of the most successful graduate business programs in the country. An MBA from FIU will carry its weight in both the academic community as well as the corporate community.

The University of Massachusetts Amherst is not a top 50 school but a very good school that carries a lot of weight. 

Many great small colleges are not even ranked; colleges such as Bentley, Babson, Swarthmore, Bates, Bowdine, Elon and Haverford. Each of these schools specializes in specific styles of education such as liberals arts, finance and economics. 

When choosing a degree from a university I follow these rules.

1. Accreditation, on how many levels is the university accredited? EG, regional, AACSB.

2. For profit or not for profit; for profit universities I cross off my list.

3. Cost; Return on Investment, is it worth it for me to spend more or less.  Consider debt amounts also.

4. Where do the graduates go?  How deep is the alumni network?

5. Can I finish the program? (goes hand in hand with cost)

6. What type of faculty teaches the program?

7. Scholarships and discounts.

8. How deep is the program, too many or too little credits?

9. What is the direction of the university? what are their goals.

10. Rankings; Rankings I always consider last after I've been accepted to a few programs.  Sometimes rankings can be the difference sometimes they may not.  I've got degrees from tier one schools and degrees from their four schools.

Personally I think Colorado State is a very good school with a lot to offer.  

Schools on the same level.

University of Colorado, University of Nebraska, Kansas State University, University of Iowa, Iowa State University, Indiana State University, Temple University, Florida State University, Mississippi University.

These are all great schools, as is Colorado State.

Shame on anyone who knocks any of these schools.

I don't understand why Paul D. (who is probably the same poster as "Elizabeth G" and "Comment for @Paul")is so upset about the U.S. News ranking of CSU (i.e. CSU being ranked 125th and having an acceptance rate of over 85% which in all honesty does not reflect selectivity; in other words they seem to let just about anyone in). The truth hurts Paul D. aka Elizabeth G. CSU is a real 'Bastion of Mediocrity'!!!

Since you want to focus on a simple typo, I thought it might be interesting to revisit your spelling:

June 3rd @ 4:44 am 
You closed by saying 'nuff said'

June 3rd @ 3:00 pm
I responded:
"One more item; please post your comments in standardized English. "'nuff said" is not acceptable. Do they teach you to write in standardized English at CSU?"


Shall we conclude that CSU is for idiots because you cannot spell ‘enough’? It is the same stupid argument you used against me isn't it?

You are indeed a fool. The chances of there being another Paul D. posting is extremely slim. Chances are you are simply not telling the truth. You are also an idiot if you think for one second that a simple typo means anything. We have already discussed the fact that CSU is for a student with a 2.0 GPA (such as yourself). For your information, a 4.0 GPA is required to get into UCLA. I wouldn't expect you to know that so please check it out for yourself. You cannot argue the stats that I have presented concerning CSU. It is for the bottom 15% of high school grads.You on the other hand have presented nothing at all to back up your point of view.

"It should be noted that I graduated from UCLA: Rank 25"

And yet, you don't know the difference between "site" and "cite," which most people learn in grade school English.

As in: "I continued to site actual sources with..."

Freakin' hilarious.  You were clearly at the bottom of your class.  Let me guess...2.0 GPA?  And yet, you spend your time criticizing others on a message board about online degrees.  I'm sure that by next week, you'll claim that you're a Rhodes scholar.

Oh and by the way, that other comment was NOT from me.  I never considered "GCU" (whomever they are), and I enrolled at CSU after already completing my general ed. requirements as a junior.  

So yes, I agree, wondering why biology is on a list of course requirements is short-sighted thinking.  Just like the stupid assumption that there can only be one "Paul D" on a message board.

Congrats again, genius!  Please, go amuse yourself with someone else.  I'm tired of you now.

Paul D. said:
“Really? News to me. Care to provide proof?”

Here is the proof you requested:
Paul D. April 16, 2009 at 4:11 a.m.
I recently considered GCU, but removed them from my list due to a few concerns. One, they expect payment in full before you start a class. Yet there are other reputable online degree programs that have payment plans. Second, their course listings for different majors are nearly identical! I'm majoring in Business, so why is Biology on the list? The course listings for the majors was not that well planned or organized, and had very little differentiation.

(These are really stupid comments since most universities require payment of tuition at the beginning of the term. Secondly, the course listings being the same for different majors refer to the general education requirements; not the major courses. Are you trying to say that biology is part of the business major? Biology is part of the general education requirement. Don’t they require general education courses at CSU in addition to the major courses in order to receive the Bachelor’s degree? Of course they do! Your comments are simply stupid.) 

Here is how I responded to your April 16th 2009 post on the CSU discussion board citing two sources (U.S. News & World Report as well s Barron’s Profiles of American Colleges 2009):

@ Paul D. May 8, 2009 at 10:56 p.m.
Excited about Colorado State University Paul D.? Well let's see; U.S. News and World Report's annual University Rankings has them at number 125 and Barron's Profiles of American Colleges has them rated as a 4th tier university (they are rated "competitive". Very Competitive, Highly Competitive, and Most Competitive are higher tier schools than CSU). The school is for the C+ high school student at best. 

I continued to site actual sources with:

I hope not..... June 9, 2009 at 6:28 p.m.
This comment is directed at Paul D.
Let's look at the "selectivity" (I should say non-selectivity") of CSU:
Fall 2007 Acceptance rate:
85.8 % (U.S. News and World Report)
How does this rate? Well, Wayne State University (who???), a tier 4 school, has an acceptance rate of 83.5; lower than that of CSU.
What about, say the top 25? In general, the acceptance rate is 9-23% (approximately). That indicates selectivity. An acceptance rate of 85.8% indicates non-selectivity.
CSU's acceptance rate is a joke!

It should be noted that I graduated from UCLA: Rank 25
Tier 1 (U.S. News & World Report) and ranked: Most Competitive (top rating by Barron’s Profiles of American Colleges 2009). This is a university I can be proud of.

Actually, I have seen you post on at least one other message board on this website. You posted under the name "Paul D." 

Really?  News to me.  Care to provide proof?

Actually, I have seen you post on at least one other message board on this website. You posted under the name "Paul D." I am not confusing you with any other "Paul". My points about you and my stats about CSU were valid and accurate. You can deny having posted negative comments about other schools if you wish but then you would not be telling the truth. You would want to tell the truth, wouldn't you? I would say 'genius' but you are attending CSU.

Other message boards????  What are you talking about?  You clearly have me confused with another "Paul" because this is the only school I'm attending and thus I have no reason to have an "attitude" toward any other schools.  So not only did you fail to take me down a notch or two (whatever that means to you), but you did so toward the wrong guy!  Congratulations, genius!

My argument was with Paul and his attitude toward other universities that he has expressed on other message boards. He has been highly critical and I took it upon myself to point out to him that his choice of university is not highly respected either. I backed my comments up with real stats from respected sources (unlike Paul). Guys like that need to be taken down a notch or two.

Everyone's situation in life is different and therefore has different opinions.  If Paul thinks the university is good then let him say so.  It's fine to post a negative comment here, that's what this is for.  However, there is no reason to attack anyone who is also trying to help others with his comments.  

P.S. I graduated from Brown university.  I'm currently looking to complete an online masters degree in education.  Online is a must as I have a newborn child and live in China.  The highest ranked university I've found with a suitable online program is Drexel (ranked #89).  Does that mean I shouldn't get my masters?  In addition, price and time is a big factor for me.  The Drexel program costs double what the CSU program costs.  I can easily be accepted into either, but my choice at this point is to go with the cheaper school.  

Most of the time, a masters degree is just a "trigger" for many job placements.  Who you meet and how to deal with situations in life is what makes some people "successful" and some not.  I believe there are modes for success in any undertaking.

I actually live in California. CSU was just one of twenty or so I was looking into. There are several choices from the top 30 (U.S. News) tier 1 schools out here. These are big names that everyone knows (UCLA, USC, Cal, Stanford) and lots of excellent smaller universities like UCSD (Tier 1; rank 35th). I'll just stick with the locals I guess. CSU is just too average for me (not trying to sound like an arrogant punk but my GPA is 4.0).

If you live in the Colorado region you don't have a ton of choices. There aren't any schools in the top 75 from Colorado on the US news 2009 list. I don't think there is a school within 500 miles of Denver in the top 75 come to think of it. So if you are from this region and want an average school at a modest price CSU is a good pick I guess. I think it is a better price than the other first tier schools in the area like DU, Mines, and CU.

I was thinking about going to CSU but after reading all the negative comments I am rethinking that move. I don't understand why Paul is so upset about what U.S. News says about CSU (i.e. CSU being ranked 125th and an acceptance rate of over 85% which in all honesty does not reflect selectivity; in other words they seem to let just about anyone in). Unless they are misrepresenting the truth, which they are not, then the truth is the truth. Guess I'll keep searching:(

You're wrong buddy! I found CSU's staff to be unhelpful and rude. I laughed at your insistance that they were helpful and wonderful!

I just finished reading the comments on this board. I find them very interesting and polarized. On the one hand, Paul (I guess his name is) loves CSU and thinks it is the best thing since sliced bread and the other guy says it is nothing special, just average. That is pretty much a summary of what we have. That Paul guy says "Ad hominem attacks or stereotypes had no effect on me during my early school years, and I see no reason to change that now."
Sounds like some unresolved childhood issues to me. Anyway; 
I'm not trying to take sides but honestly, when I think about or hear people talk about great schools such as Yale, Harvard, MIT back east or Stanford, Cal Berkeley, UCLA or USC on the west coast, I never, ever think of Colorado State (nor have I heard of people talking about that school and using the word "great" in the same sentence). That is just the way it is! Sorry Paul!

Wayne State (who????), a tier 4 school, is more selective than Colorado State.....LOL!!!

You have said CSU is great. I have said that the school is not great; just average. I provided stats to back up my point. You have not. You cannot suppress others even if they disagree with your assessment of CSU. This is a forum to point out the good and bad. Your opinion is merely that; your opinion. That is all. Calling me names will not change the fact that CSU is not great; merely average.

This one goes out to the original comment in response to mine (Paul D.), from 4/16/09.

I'm not going to debate or justify my choice for an online school.  Especially with someone who, judging by your arrogant, condescending, patronizing and abrasive tone, must have earned a PhD in "Social Personality Disorder", summa cum laude, from one of those "top tier" schools that you speak of so highly.  

Statements like "The schools is for the C+ high school student at best. That describes you Paul D., doesn't it?????" make you the quintessential schoolyard bully of the comment board, and not the purveyor of critical commentary or expert advice.  Ad hominem attacks or stereotypes had no effect on me during my early school years, and I see no reason to change that now. 

Bottom line to all with more common sense and courtesy than the aforementioned troll: CSU Global Campus is an outstanding program, the classes are well-structured, the instructors are helpful and knowledgeable, the payment plan is great, and the resources are excellent.

If that's not good for you and you'd rather shoot for an online school with a lower "selectivity rate" just to make yourself feel special, do the research to find what you seek.

Wayne State (who????), a tier 4 school, is more selective than Colorado State.....LOL!!!

This comment is directed at Paul D.
Let's look at the "selectivity" (I should say non-selectivity")of CSU:

Fall 2007 Acceptance rate:
 85.8 % (U.S. News and World Report)

How does this rate? Well, Wayne State University (who???), a tier 4 school, has an acceptance rate of 83.5; lower than that of CSU. 

What about, say the top 25? In general, the acceptance rate is 9-23% (approximately). That indicates selectivity. An acceptance rate of 85.8% indicates non-selectivity. 

CSU's acceptance rate is a joke!

Enough (please note the spelling Paul D.) said!!!!!

Are you still not using standardized English? I hope you are not a student at CSU. If you are, I think that is a terrible reflection on the university.

"The top 50 represent first tier schools."

No they don't. The tier 1 national universities list includes CSU. Go look it up in the USNEWS rankings. 

The top 50 may comprise the totality of "first tier" schools to YOU, but that is an entirely arbitrary cutoff point. Again, I ask you - why not confine the first tier to the top ten, or the first 25, or the 100th ranked school? What is the significance of the number 50? Why is it those schools belonging to that cohort are praiseworthy, and those outside it are only worthy of your scorn? It's complete nonsense isn't it?


"[CSU] are considered very average by most." 

Now, can you define "very average" and back that claim with appropriate citation, or did you pull it directly from your assets as you seem to have done with the rest of your comments?

Can you say what experience you have of CSU? Were you ever a student there? 

You've never even set foot on a CSU campus, have you?

Thought not ...'nuff said.

Let me make it easy for you to understand. The top 50 represent first tier schools. That group is worthy of praise. The others are very average. CSU is not even near the top 50. Therefore, they are considered very average by most. One more item; please post your comments in standardized English. "'nuff said" is not acceptable. Do they teach you to write in standardized English at CSU?

Why go as far as the top fifty? Why not the top 25 or even the top ten? Do you respect them more, or do you share respect equally among the top 50? What about the university that occupies the 51st position? It should not be respected?

Clearly, your respect for particular institutions must vary year to year, since relative rankings vary year to year. One year an institution may be in the top fifty, therefore you respect it, and the next year it is not, therefore you disrespect it? If, in the year after that, it is back in the top fifty again, do you respect it again?

That is what you are telling us. This is the basis upon which you deem an institution worthy of praise or scorn. It doesn't make a lot of sense, does it? Yet that is the sum total of your analysis. 

. . 'nuff said

If you are satisfied with being at a university that is ranked 125th, so be it. I learned to respect quality and the top 50. All others aren't worth my time.

Colorado State University is a UNWR tier 1 national university. There are approximately 3000 degree-granting regionally accredited institutions in the US, so I guess being 125th isn't too bad. Let's see who Col-State beat-out in that USNews rankings:

University of Arkansas
University of Utah
Florida Tech
George Mason University
Hofstra University

Seems to me CSU is a solid mainstream institution worthy of respect. Alas, respect doesn't seem to be a concept with which you are overly familiar, @Paul D. I dare say they didn't teach it at the school you attended.

It is funny. No matter if we are talking about University of Phoenix, Northern Arizona University, Colorado State University etc. people at inferior universities always say the exact same thing (Elizabeth & Paul) to justify their choice.

Ranking lists serve their purpose but they are often one-dimensional.  Here at CSU Global academics are strong and the professors are of the highest caliber. If you are looking for the whole package in an online leaning platform, CSU Global is a strong and positive choice. Your experience and opportunity will be exactly what you make it just as it would be with any "ranked" institutions.  
Best of luck Paul.

Excited about Colorado State University Paul D.? Well let's see; U.S. News and World Report's annual University Rankings has them at number 125 and Barron's Profiles of American Colleges has them rated as a 4th tier university (they are rated "competitive". Very Competitive, Highly Competitive, and Most Competitive are higher tier schools than CSU). The schools is for the C+ high school student at best. That describes you Paul D., doesn't it????? It has to. You said you looked at several universities and this is the best you could come up with?

I just applied for a bachelor's degree program through CSU Global Campus.  So far, this program looks great.  The advisor was nice, knowledgeable and proactive.  The tuition is way reasonable, and you're getting a degree from a school whose history goes back as far as when Colorado was just a territory!  I also like the payment options, for those of us who don't qualify for FAFSA and don't want to take out a loan.  They have payment plans, meaning that you don't have to pay your entire class tuition upfront like other programs.  Sure, I get the hype about making sure I register for classes while my transcripts are being reviewed, blah blah blah, but no heavy pressure to do so.  The courses look very interesting and there's good diversification with the majors they offer.  Granted, the online program itself is relatively new, but of the dozen or so I've considered, I think it's the best offer available.