Nova Southeastern University

So you're an NSU graduate who didn't get a job at the University School? Perhaps it was because you can't spell simple words and that you're a douchebag.

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They won't even hire there own graduates for high school level jobs. If they won't back there own degrees what dose that say to other employers. FIU is rated as one of the top business schools in the country and allot cheaper. GO SOMEWHERE ELSE! 

The doctoral programs in business are comprehensive, multinational in flavor, and very much driven by the work you put in like almost anything else. As NSU graduates many more doctoral aspirants than most other institutions, the "franchise" will continue to grow in size, stature and brand. Unlike many "diploma mills," NSU business REQUIRES classroom attendance not just online ... the typical seat time is condensed in delivery, requiring significantly more effort by the student to do his/her work as required, and in advance. Don't come to class unprepared and expect an undergrad treatment of having it "poured in" after you've done no studying in advance. If you have no work ethic or discipline, maybe an NSU business doctorate is not for you; but stop bashing a really great institution!

This school thinks it's upper echelon, but really just a glorified diploma mill (I found out) that makes you write a lot. Employers do not respect their degrees. I spent a lot of time and money for this piece of paper and the response I usually get in interviews is "Nova? What is that? A community college?". Very depressing. I would have been better of going to Phoenix.

I beg to differ.  I have a Honda Passport and a Kia Sedona.  Both are equally crappy vehicles.  I think the comparison between Nova and Phoenix is pretty accurate.  Both are for-profit institutions with no interest in research or furthering the body of knowledge in any field.  They are both expensive, fast-track alternatives to many who don't care for the rigor or credibility of a reputable university. If a degree from either of these will get you a job, a raise, or personal satisfaction, then by all means go for it.

I can't believe people on this forum are comparing Nova Southeastern University to University of Phoenix....that's a mockery! That's like comparing a Honda to a Kia.

Great comments, Ardy. Good luck with your future endeavors!

I am not in the MSBI program but would suggest you try getting in touch with current MSBI students and asking their opinion(s).  

#1 & 4: I have found NSU faculty in general to be quite good. Some better 
then others, like any other school. They are often very busy, so make sure you have scoured all possible resources for the answer to your questions before approaching them (read: peruse the NSU website thoroughly). 

#3: This will really depend on your own abilities and determination. Again, talk to faculty/students about job placement opportunities, internships, etc.

#5: Most NSU Masters programs require students to maintain a 3.0 GPA minimum in all courses with no more then 2 grades less then a B in any of one's courses.  Failing to do so grants you academic probation for one term and then kicked out. Let that be an indication.

#6: Online courses have benefits/negatives. You have the convenience of studying at your own pace with the responsibility of teaching yourself everything. Really depends on the abilities and habits of each student.

Does anyone know anything about the MS program in Biomedical Informatics at NSU?  I have gone to the website but still have questions:

1) Are the faculty members very helpful towards the students in the Biomedical Informatics Department considering it is purely an online degree program?
2) What are the strengths and weaknesses of the program?  What would you like to see improved in the program?
3) If anyone has graduated from the program, were you able to find a job easily?
4) Do the faculty of the department care about their studnets i.e. get their students involved with their research work and provide good academic advising?
5) Are the faculty very demanding with their students, considering it is an online program.
6) Those that are in the online program, would you prefer to go the traditional route and attend classes, than doing the courses online?

I just graduated from NSU with a master in MIS. My first semester was hard and did not do well at all. The following semesters I doubled my efforts and my grades improved tremendously. I had my associate and bachelor degrees from 2 state universities. Nova is a little bit easier and more flexible than those public universities. I will never call NSU a diploma factory because they made me work very hard to get where I am at today. I know three people personally that graduated from NSU graduate schools(pharmacy, nursing, and business schools) and they are currently doing very well in their careers. I am very happy that I attended NSU. Their textbooks are the same as any prestigious schools, so if one studies hard and applies oneself success will come.

Yes it seems that the trend for online reviews leans towards the negative. Regarding your previous post Dr. Dave, I don't disagree that a certain demand exists for AACSB accreditation within corporate America. I'm sure some companies demand it for new recruits. Those companies are in the minority. 

The value of AACSB does not translate well when talking about 3 and 4 tier schools. Where you will find AACSB good to have is if you ever decide to teach at a school with AACSB accreditation. They tend to want profs that have degrees from AACSB schools. Business people hardly even know what it is. Nearly all the best B-schools are AACSB-accredited, but I wouldn't be too quick to draw a cause-and-effect relationship.

Jessica:

Unfortunately, this site appears to be an assembly of folks who have an opinion of NSU, or had a bad experience at NSU. The site doesn't appear to be a destination for NSU graduates to discuss the mertis of the university. 

With all due respect, I disagree with your comment regarding employers being ignorant to AACSB accreditation. Those companies hiring AACSB graduates know all too well of this highly regarded accreditation.

Thanks Dr. Dave for your response. I was hoping to get opinions from those who had gone through Nova's MBA internship.

Jessica:

I did not earn my MBA from NSU; however, in most cases, the office handling internships should be able to assist you.

Can anyone offer any insight on my previous question? Dr. Dave?

Dr. Dave, thank you for your reply. 

I understand Nova is still in the long arduous process of acquiring AACSB accreditation- when I visited the campus, I was informed that the school should be accredited by 2014. I am less interested in the accreditation as I have no interest in teaching (where AACSB accreditation counts) or going onto completing a PHD. Most employers really don't care or are ignorant about AACSB. 

I am strictly interested in hearing reviews about any internships offered through the MBA program and if students have had success/failure in job placement after graduation?

Jessica:

Unfortunately, NSU's MBA program is not AACSB accredited. You can view AACSB accredited university's here geteducated dot com.

I recently moved to South Florida with my husband who is in Nova (Dentistry program- I am interested in Nova's MBA program for several reasons. One of the biggest factors is the internship as I am really hoping that I will be able to find a company to intern with and take advantage of the OPT 1 yr work sponsorship post graduation. Does anyone have any insight on Nova's MBA internships? Are they with good companies? Hire alot of MBA students/grads?

I'm interested in the Master's in Teaching and Learning with the Elementary Reading Specialization. Has anyone experienced success with this program? How rigorous are the courses? Would you recommend it to other teachers? Thanks.

ScienceGuy:

It pains me to hear NSU being compared with UoP, ouch! Certainly, NSU is not a traditional research school, although it does offer several PhD programs.

Dr. Dave,

I commend you on your success.  My point was not that Nova is somehow substandard--I'm sure that the program provided many opportunities for professional growth and development.  Most people get what they want out of a degree program, regardless of where they enroll.  I am simply concerned that many Nova graduates will be in for a rude awakening when they discover that their job options may be limited by the fact that many employers will not recognize a Nova degree.  The same goes for University of Phoenix and other for-profit institutions.  They get high enrollment numbers because of their convenience, but they just don't carry the same academic weight as traditional research based schools.

ScienceGuy:

I believe your statement "that your Nova degree is not worth the paper it is printed on" is a bit harsh. I earned an EdD from Nova in 2007 and had a great experience. I found most my studies challenging, most of my professors professional and academically qualified. 

Today, I am routinely complimented on my writing prowess and knowledge of APA style. I teach at several educational institutions in multiple academic disciplines and am routinely praised for my ability to deliver relevant content to my students, and am a successful consultant. Is NSU Ivy League, certainly not? Do I believe I earned a reputable education that has benefited me personally and professionally, yes! 

I believe many get “stuck” on academic reputation and I’m not presuming that we ignore academic reputation. However, many sharp individuals graduate from NSU and go on to do great things. I reside in Northeast Florida, I can honestly say, I have had no one “snub” my NSU EdD internal or external to the academic arena. 

Interestingly, of the twenty persons who started in my cohort in 2005, only fifteen completed the course work and only four have completed the degree with dissertation to date. It does not appear that many more will complete their degree prior to the “cut-off” date of 2012. Perhaps your science background provides you with a different perception; however, my NSU experience was pretty darn good and I often recommend it to others.

I work with many teachers and school administrators who completed their graduate degrees from NSU.  Many will openly tell you that they did so because it was so much easier than the traditional route.  When I chose to get my Ed.D. from a Tier 1 Research University, many asked me why I would go through all that when Nova was so much simpler. 

The "why" is simple.  While most school systems will honor the Nova degree, most colleges and universities will not.  Yes, NSU is accredited by SACS.  Yes, they have a big football stadium.  But try using your Nova degree to get a teaching position at the college level at any public institution and you will be told in no uncertain terms that your Nova degree isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

Im looking to enter the PHD program for IS. My masters from FIT is very easy, and while I completely understand that the PHD will be anything but easy, how bad is the dissertation, and would any current (or former) PHD candidates recommend the school and the program?

i want to kmow the success rate of the students enrolled in the elementary education program.also is  there distance learning program a reliable one and do they help you

In addition...

Anyway...Before you start on a PhD or EdD, read reviews about the school and talk to some students who attend there.  Go to the school and hang out in the cafeteria or somewhere where you can actually talk to the students.  The professors are bias and will tell you anything.  They are removed from reality.  KNOW what you are getting into.  The coursework is no harder than the BS or MS programs.  I found the coursework at NSU rather easy.  AND, everything related to the last course or two you had.  Half the hours were reitterated in other courses called different things.  You buy a lot of books at NSU, some you might never even open.  Communicate with other students you have classes with as they may have had previous classes and books you might need.  Communicate.

NSU was an okay school if you did not have a Thesis or a Dissertation.  If you do be prepared to take a while to complete it, if you do.  OR, you might get a great advisor and or committee.  It is a high chance that you will not.  You do not pick your advisor and or your committee members.  You fill out an interest form early in the program and that decides who you get.

AND remember, IF you get an advisor or committee member who SUCKS at guiding you, don't waste your time with tat same person.  ASK to get another one.  BUt, remember you won't get much resistance the first time you want to change, but I don't know if you will get another change.

ANyway, maybe this will help.

Get and editor who understands your topic and field for your work and an editor for your APA style.  It will only help.

Thanks,  C...

"Dedication can turn to Burn Out under any circumstance"...

You always have these people, students, who say that the dissertation is ALL up to the desire, determination, etc. of the student.  Well, that is BS.  You can have ALL the determination and want in the world and if you have NO advice and NO assistance rom an advisor who is being PAID to help you then YOU will be lost and WASTE years of time trying to no avail.  These advisors are PAID each semester to HELP you, PAID that is...PAID...

If the advisor does not know what is expected or accepted you will spin your wheels for years.  Sit and Spin...

The dissertation at NSU, that you write, does not have to please YOU, it has to please the professors on your committee.  If ALL of them are not interested in your topic specifically, then you will NOT pass on to the next stage.  You have 3 stages.  The concept paper, the proposal, and the final.  The CP is 12 to 15 pages of a brief about what you propose to study.  The CP may not sound like much, but to egt the generally required 60 to 100 plus references you must research a lot of articles, books, disserations, etc., and I mean a lot.  This takes a LOT of time.  If you do 2 or 3 or 4 CP's before you get approved, it is a lot of reading and writing.  Specially if the advisor does not know what is expected or acceptable.  They are getting PAID to know this.  They are paid to know if a TOPIC may be acceptable by a certain professor.

You are picking a topic that is of interest to 2, 3 or 4 other people, YOUR opinion and interests are of NO consequence...If ONE of the professors does not agree, then you are back to square 1...

Dedication means nothing if you have no GUIDANCE.  Don't let the graduates who hit the nail on the head the first time give you a false sense of ease.  They hit the nail on the head ONE time out of ONE THOUSAND.  They may be good or great at research.  They may have a better sense of what is needed or applicable in their field.  May, I said.  OR, they may have just lucked out.  Luck has a big role here.  Each semester as technologies change and new information is found, the rules for dissertations change.  They become more complex when the professors gain more knowledge.  You can liken it to the child that is in the GIFTED program.  More is expected from the GIFTED children.  You are graded on a different and higher scale than the other children.  You can't just let the child be good at somehting and give them praise, you have to make things harder for them.  That is not fair.  If something is easier for them, let them do a good job and finish early, don't penalize them and give them more work.

I don't have much of a choice, if I plan to try and finish the dissertation.  If I had another choice I would surely take it.  I have spent about 70k so far on the EdD at NSU.  It would be such a waste to not try and complete it.  I wish I could find another school that would transfer my credits and grant me a degree without the dissertation requirement.  I would jump on board.  I know many other students at NSU that would too, as there are any in the same boat as I.  Many...You would not believe how many.  If you know of a school I will pass it on...

Thanks,  C

@C... do you mean to tell us you are dumb enough to pay $2450 every semester for the last 3 years with Nova stringing you along the entire time?

I have recently completed all the course requirements of the EdD degree in the ITDE department.  I have been working dilligently for the past three years on the dissertation part of the degree.  The first three years I had a dissertation advisor who was a boob and did not know what was expected by the dissertation committee.  I sent in three dissertation concept papers and got them all turned down.  I wasted my time.  I had my dissertation advisor changed, the new one is extremely helpful and available.  NOW, after three years of killing myself I am burnt out.

Anyway, the school should keep a better track on the students and who the advisors are.  The dissertation should be one the STUDENT is interested in, but NO, it has to be of interest to the dissertation commitee members.

Also, After you complete the coursework in 2 to 3 years it is a $2450 a semester fee to keep in the program until you finish the degree.

Like I said, I am ABD - All But Dissertation.  AND don't know what to do next, as the future of completing the dissertation looks bleak and unattainable.

Thanks,  C

Hello,
I am considering getting a MS in Mental Health Counseling in Nova by online. I researched many schools, but it is very difficult to find a regional accredited online schools. I found just few, but most of them are very expensive.
I would like to know more positives or negatives points about this MS program in Nova. I do not know if it is a good choice... 
Thanks

Considering the EdD OL program at NSU?  Any recent experiences to share?

is it hard to get in?? can you get in with a 85 gpa  a lot of volunteer and 2 sports, clubs, extra curricular activites and work..but bad sat?

ps i visitd and really want to go here!

I work for a company that writes research papers.  I coordinate the dissertation and thesis writing.  I can tell you without question that it is far, far more difficult to finish a dissertation at Nova than at a traditional school.  The profs do not respond in a timely manner and they are often clueless about proper methodology and statistical analysis.

Nova is not alone in this.  Walden, Capella - all of them suffer from weak instructors who are paid very little and are not paid extra for dissertation work (so they don't care), or they are paid very little so they have a vested interest in stringing you along for as long as possible.

It is easier to complete a dissertation at an Ivy League institution than it is at Nova.

I am finishing up my Masters coursework now.  

I have been looking at NSU, specifically the PhD DCIS program.  

Can anyone tell me how the comps and subsequent preparation for dissertation works?

I completed my doctorate at Nova this year, and have to say it was a lot of work yet rewarding.  The dissertation was a major pain in rear, but that would be anywhere.  I have friends and collegues who have successfully and unsuccessfully tried PHD's or EdD programs elsewhere and have failed to complete the dissertation.  There are a lot of PH's with no D's from every grad school in the US.  The profs I had at NOVA were mostly grads from main stream universities.  In 2009 Business Week ranked Nova as one of the best Grad research schools in the country.  They are moving up.  Completing a dissertation is not for weak, you must grind through it, and be highly self motivated to complete it.  I can say that anytime I had a question or needed help I got it.  You must work with your committee chair and your committee members to get the dissertation done.  If Nova were a diploma mill then all the people who have posted comments here would be called DOCTOR...

famousdavis:

I think you make many salient points; however, I believe the missing ingredient is individuality. There are poor students, median students and great students and it is this diversity of students that supports or denies an acaemdic institution's reputation. 

Since NSU is generally an open-enrollment university, folks get admitted that would not be admitted if there were some type of credible gate keeping process, particularly at the gradaute and doctorate levels. No surprise, these folks struggle, leach off the diligence of others and eventually realize there not going to make it. It is these same folks that ultimately hurt the academic reputation of the very institution they are attending. 

In my cohort, we stated with twenty people in the EdD program in January 2005. At the conclusion of the course work, five had dropped out; to date, only three have completed the dissertation and graduated. No surprise, it is the great students who have completed the program (I have no delusions regarding my status as a great student). I have found the reputation of my NSU degree is well received in Northeast Florida. 

Like you, I worked hard when others didn't, I stayed focused when others didn't, I understood what my goals were at degree completion when others didn't. NSU worked for me and I would recommend it to others... Folks are lulled into a false sence of acomplishment when they are admitted having no idea what lays ahead, a lot of hard work, dedication, and discipline. This is why even at the best schools, only about 50% of thoese who begin a terrminal degree complete it.    

Is NSU an Ivy League school, certainly not, but I believe that individuals make their own way despite the academic reputation of their alma mater.

I hit this site wondering whether Nova will ever pursue AACSB accreditation, but after reading this long thread, I thought I'd add my own 2-cents, as I'm a grad student in the business school, with just a few classess to finish up my M.S. / Leadership (to me, the Leadership track was much more interesting than an MBA, but I'm in my 40s, and would suggest younger students go for the MBA instead).

Here's my take:  Nova is a legitimate school that will give you a good education -- if you work for it.  I'm a 4.0 student but that's because I put effort into every class; I think most students aim for a 3.0+ grade, not a 4.0 every time.  In group projects, I work harder and do more than anyone else -- so I always get the "A" grade.  Other students do reasonably well, and there's always some who do very little (it's those students that I wish Nova would drop from the program for the good of the school's name).

Nobody knows about Nova outside of South Florida, and in South Florida, it's as well-respected as FAU, FIU, but those schools aren't in the same league as U. of Miami.  

I'm a bright student who was poorly motivated and made bad choices early in life.  I *wish* I had aimed to go to a top-tier school in the country, before I married and had kids.  But Nova fits my life, and it's better than not doing anything.  No one is going to be impressed to learn your degree came from Nova, but it'll be a legitimate achievement to local employers.

If you're young, work hard, take the GMAT to get the best score possible, and aim for the best school you can get into.  Keep Nova in your back pocket in case you can't get into a better school, like U. of Florida.

If you're a working professional, Nova is a good choice (a notch better than the for-profit schools).  I found most professors to be good, some very excellent with real-world experience and insight that was very valuable.  The one professor I wasn't impressed with was just ill-fitted for the course he taught -- he would have been much better in an intro management class.

If you're really trying to leverage your diploma itself, Nova's diploma won't carry you far.  If you want to learn and make your own path where lack of formal education may be a barrier, Nova is a good choice -- you will learn a lot, if you take responsibility for your own learning.

Nova isn't a top-tier school, so don't expect top-tier students to be in class with you.  That's not to say many of them aren't bright -- many are -- but you'll also be in class with a few people who can't write well, who detract from your learning if you're in a group with them.  Just know what you're getting into.

I'd recommend Nova as a viable consideration, based upon my earlier comments.  I like the school, overall.  I like what I've learned.  But I had a lot more potential that could have been uncorked if I had made better choices in life.  Maybe it's not too late for you, though.

Nova is a money pit where the professors and guidelines are different just like the underwears you wear daily. APA format? It depends on who's grading you. I've had to wip out the APA manual and cite pages of why my work was correct. Of course, its easy for a teacher to have everyone do everything so that they do not do anything. I am in the mBA program and I can tell you that Nova is a joke. We need to get rid of the antiquated Professors who still live in the world of 1979 when they earned their PhD. Nova must focus on student success and not on money success. All policies are in favor of Nova and not the students. I regret doing my degree at Nova. By the way, I have several degrees and I am very prepared for additional education. Like everything in life, its politics and money. Nobody cares about your success but you.

As an alumnus of an NSU doctoral program I have the following advice for anyone thinking about NSU for their graduate education – consider all of your options, weigh the pros and cons, and then make up your own mind (regardless of what others might think).  It needs to be the right decision for you.  I was accepted into a Doctoral program at a Tier 1 university but turned it down because it didn't make financial sense to me.

Remember, and NSU doctorate degree is not an automatic pass into academia. As has been stated before, if you intend on shooting for a faculty position in a Tier 1 school, then you need a Tier 0 (Harvard, Yale, MIT, Stanford, CalTech) degree so on and so forth.

NSU is for real.  It isn't “easy” and it certainly isn't a diploma mill.  Having gone through the program I carry fond memories of my time there.  Remember, NSU might carry a stigma because of its non-traditional nature.  However, over time, what was once considered non-traditional is becoming traditional.

A few answers and comments to questions.

NSU business school is going through the process for attaining AACSB.  the total process is a 4 year review and then a 7 year period in which to implement your plan and have it accepted.  NSU is now 4 years away (2013) from full AACSB accreditation.  

As for all the programs, I know the DBA has been so successful that UofF has now scaled back its PhD business program to now go for the new DBA program approach.  The MBA program is unique, because the day program has a wide range of students while the weekend students have much more experience and education attainment and are actually "better students"; which is not normal for most graduate programs.

As for the university it has already been stated, but it is not easy to have medical and law schools and not be a legitimate university with legitimate accreditation. 

Also, it is important to note that NSU had the third highest bar passer rating in the state of Florida over the past 2 exam years.  Behind only FIU & Stetson over that same period.  In this last year they were actually the second highest with bar passer ratings behind only FIU.

As people have said research is important.

Any comments about the MBA program. Quality of Professors? Curriculum? Students? Progam reputation? NSU or FIU? Any useful comment is greatly appreciated.

Anyone have any comments about the online masters program in speech pathology?

My daughter is graduating top tier of her class this year at NSU and has been accepted into their Med school program. I know it's a good school.

I've been searching for school to pursue a PhD in CS. I didn't know that NSU offers that for working professional until recently. I've been working in IT industry designing, developing, leading and implementing complex system for over 3o years. I also own a part-time business developing and supproting interactive and dynamic sports website. So it keeps me busy.

When I took my MS in CS at Univ South Miss, staying up til 2AM was the norm. My question to those currently taking PhD in CS at NSU, how much hours do you spend a day if you are taking two courses per semeter? I need to gauge if I can handle the pace.

Thanks

I held a faculty appointment in the Health Professions Division NSU prior to obtaining an EdD from its Fischler School, and used the credential to obtain a tenure earning position at a Research 1 institution.  My experience in Higher Ed tells me that, 1) most of us won't be able (by shear numbers) go to a "name" school, 2) snobbery abounds, 3) doctoral edu level is about what you put in to it, 4) the degree is only a "ticket to the game," 5) you've got to play well in the game ((bring $$$$ to the table), 6) stuff happens, 7) more stuff happens, 8) you can't control every outcome, 9) NSU is a tool, 10) very little is written in stone, 11) it's hard to overcome the uninformed, 12) work your butt off, 13) many start, few finish, 14) the difference between those who do, and those who don't is stubborness, 15) envy hurts, 16) enjoy the journey, 17) whose life is it, anyway?, 18) dream big, 19) enjoy the flowers, 20) I've never seen a U-haul on a hearse, 21) only your grandchildren will know anything about you other than your name, 22) who you interact with today matters.

The negative comments are kind of weird... I'm familiarized with Nova. I know it was a university known to accept the guys that could'nt make it on the top tiers 1 universities, but it has changed a lot! Do your search. 

I'm studying a Master of Science in Biosecurity at the School of Public Health of Saint Louis University, a top tier national university and I'm seriously considering on studying my Doctorate in Health Sciences (DHSc) at Nova, it has one of the best Schools on Health Care professions and they are excellent in Osteopathic Medicine, Pharmacy, Optometry, Dental Medicine, Oceanography, Physical Therapy, Audiology, etc. All of those programs received the national and respective professional accreditations. 

So, don't believe everything you read, get your facts straight with serious sources of information and then you can make a decision.

BTW:
I have seen a lot of dogging on Nova. I did visit the campus and it is a massive campus in South Florida. They have a medical school, law school, PA program, dental school, as well as tons of other academics. If anybody thinks that Nova is just another U of P, just go to their campus.

In the US they just dont let fly by night diploma mills open up medical, dental and law schools.

Hey Folks,
I am in my last semester of the BHSc program at NSU and here is the low down.

First, the program is solid. I have had to work as hard for my grades as I ever did in my previous 115 hours of college. Because of the online nature of the program, subjective tests have not been a real major part of the program. I have taken a few here and there but they are usually short and easy.

Papers: Everything is acclimated around lots and lots of writing. Each class has weekly writing assigment and there are one to two major papers per class. They are very picky on proper APA formatting and writing quality. Your first class in the program is learning how to properly write a APA reaearch paper.

Discussions: Continuous peer interaction is accomplished via weekly discussions. You must visit the discussion board often and contribute. Your participation is monitered and figured in to your grade.

Professors:
Most were good, a couple were great, one was non-participating. Dr. Kent is a wonderful professor and spends hours corresponding with you over your research. Her response to my first big paper was several pages and I spent alot of time discussing aspects of the class with her. Professor Kagen teaches a class called Health Care Education and as a ultrasound instructor this was my most applicable valuable class. She spent tons of time helping me hone in on my teaching skills. 

All in all I would rate thr experience a 7 out of 10.

I like to think the recent changes in the country (e.g., President Obama) mark a movement toward more honesty and accountability.  That being said, let's get real about Nova Southeastern University.  The place does not compare to the established universities in this country in terms of intellectual pursuits; although it does match the price.  All that matters to NSU is that (a) you pay them, and (b) you jump through their hoops with little actual thought or impact to your career or the field you are interested.  They then will give you a degree that will not improve your marketability as much as they claim, particularly from the School of Education and Human Services.  That place has some of the most ridiculous degree programs in the U.S. (see Dr. Dave's comment as an example); but it is one of the more money making schools there because it prays on mostly minority, 1st generation graduate school students.  Let's get real, let's get honest, and somebody hold this place accountable.

CC:

I completed an Ed.D in Organizational Leadership with dual cognates in Human Resource Development and Conflict Resolution in September 2007. I had a nearly flawless experience at NSU. 

I agree, many folks start, few finish. Out of the twenty people that started the program in my cohort, 15 completed the course work; we had a couple of students fail at least one course. 

To date (January 2009) only three students have completed the program with dissertation. I am beginning to believe few of those in my cohort will complete the degree with  dissertation. 

Like most education at this level, if you are not committed, are academically challenged, or require hand holding, a terminal degree is not for you! I believe this is a challenge for this type of degree program. Underqualified folks are admitted with little chance of degree completion. 

I can't blame NSU, individuals have no idea how difficult this process is at the doctorate level...

To Dr. Dave.
No negative experience, however there were some ups and downs like it happens in many other schools. I consider myself a realistic person. I do not like when people glorify something or mixing it with dirt. I avoid extreme points because they are not true in most of the cases. As of Nova, in overall, I had good time there. Every semester I've seen many new people. Many of them came with an impression that PhD degree at Nova will be an easy ride. And every semester I've seen frustration on their faces because Nova is not an easy ride. Some work needs to be done. Most of them either left the program or were asked to leave by getting lover than 3.2 GPA. This is a honest and tough reality. As of my degree, it definitely helped me in my career and will help me many times more.
Are you a current PhD student?

Nova is an excellent school. I have been very successful in my job pursuits. Those complaining may not have the discipline to complete a doctoral level of study it is difficult.

CC:

I take it you had a negative experience at NSU?

1) I flipped burgers for awhile but am now on unemployment.
2) I published in the Hamburger U journal, peer reviewed and all.  They congratulated me on what I did with the pickels.   
3) Never call it Nova, that is for the real school Villanova.  They had me picking my buggers for my dissertation and the committee just ate it up... literally. It was difficuly to write hundreds of pages about picking my nose but I defended it without a hitch!

If you want a PhD that carries respect, please stay at your current institution.  If you want a PhD that can take you to the top of sarcasm and ridicule, please go to NSU.

Hello CC:

I was seriously considering Nova so I could go to school and work concurrently but then found a part-time program at a B&M school that I could attend.
 
Some quick questions for you….

1)	What are you up to now that you have graduated? Did the degree help you gain the position that you currently have?
2)	Did you get to write any publications aside from your thesis?  Did you attend/speak at any academic conferences?  While I was considering Nova, the advisor there mentioned to me that the quantity/quality of your publications is more important than the actual school you go to.
3)	Do you know why Nova does projects instead of qualifying exams? Every other program I have looked at has them. I would think that the ‘breath’ requirement for a “PhD” degree would be harder to fulfill with a limited number of projects.  

At my current institution, I have been advised to leave work for at least a year to get the full PhD experience.  My advisor stated that attending conferences, participating in weekly research sessions is paramount to the “PhD” experience.

What are your thoughts?


PS: this is not a Nova bashing session.  I just want to know an opinion from someone that has experienced it.

Regarding ABET accreditation. I share the same wish. In my case ABET accreditation would provide more to my practice, but let’s be realistic. I looked how many universities are in ABET. Turns out to be not so many. The main reason is the accreditation process is too long (takes years), plus they charge schools too much. I guess the second is the main reason. You do not want your tuition jump, right? So, it has to come from somebody's pocket. Nova is GSCIS and SACSCOC accredited. These are more typical for technical universities. These organizations are regional and cover majority of universities. And they charge reasonable rates. By the way, some of the new programs in a few very famous and well respected schools are not accredited at all. You ask me how is it possible? Well, it is all about business, and trust me, they charge a lot more pre credit than Nova.

Oh, well! Again I hear voices of the same people who wish nothing good to Nova. I cannot speak for the rest of the university which is very big, but I can tell you about CS department and their PhD program. Somebody there mentioned that Nova is a diploma mill. Guys, when you say so please bring facts to the table. I want to see statistics. And here is the statistics I know. Look at this page "web.scis.nova.edu/dlist/webview.cfm?a=1". It contains precise list of people and dissertation titles. So, back to statistics. As of 2008 only 35 people from all 4 academic programs really graduated with PhD degree. As off 2007 only 36 graduates, and as off 2006 only 34 graduated. Do you know how many people enter CS PhD program every year? I'll tell you - hundreds (more like 400-500). I am familiar with other so called "top" schools and their statistics. I can bring names if needed. Their number of graduates are a lot higher, but no one talks about it. I guess after these facts no one has rights to call Nova CS a diploma mill. Otherwise give me facts!

@ Paststry

If you have 20 years in R&D engineering, why would you waste your time at Nova? You say Nova is Tier 2 but it is actually Tier 4.  That is why it is a waste of time for academia.  You only teach at a school on par with your degree.  I don't see too many Nova doctorates floating around Tier II schools.  I have seen plenty of PhDs leaving Raytheon to go teach at Tier II schools but they have degrees from ranked engineering programs.  If it is your goal to teach at a school with a name, then you should go to a school with a name that befits your goal.  That is my understanding of it anyway.

Dr. Dave

I didn't take offense to the theoretical versus applied comment.  I checked a few places that would transfer my credits even though they are older and I was also informed by some schools that I would be able to finish in about 2-3 years because I have the thorough background for what I want to do (20 years as an engineer in R&D has it perks).

I also talked to many schools and asked if NSU was acceptable.  Schools like Penn State actually said "probably not", but Stanford and other tier 1 private schools said it doesn't matter as long as you have research that aligns with ours and you have published.

Thanks for the info Dr. Dave.  I'm going to apply at a couple of schools and see which one is best overall for what I want to do.

Thanks again!

-Partstry

If you have an Ed.D, why don't you keep in the educational field?  You will certainly make more money than playing your hand at academia.  You will most likely do better than business persons in this economic environment.  If you do decide to get a JD for actual practice you will be spending many years before you see the economic benefit.

Hi Partstry:

I apologize for defining applied verses theoretical, I didn't know you already held a terminal degree, I meant no disrespect. Yes, you can shave off as many as thirty (30) credit hours in transfer units depending upon your previous degree and which new degree you're going to pursue. 

The problem with the for-profits (and I applied to two after completing my Ed.D) is there are so focused on profit that it takes little time in identifying this fiduciary philosophy. 

The for-profits will "nickle and dime" and if the opportunity to "make" you take a course that you've previously taken that doesn't look exactly like there's, then they'll do so. This is what soured me, the matriculation process, it was evident it was a money chase. I understand these institutions play a role in todays adult learning environment, but...

If you peruse the comments on this site regarding Argosy, Capella, NCU, UoP, Walden, and the "other" like for-profits, you'll read far more negative than positive comments.

I was going to pursue a Ph.D in Business to compliment my MBA and expand my adjunct teaching opportunities in the business arena. Since, I have decided to give law school a go...

Dr. Dave,

I understand the difference in applied and theoretical degrees (although it is my firm belief now that the Ed.D, Sc.D, and Ph.D are all applied and no longer theoretical).  I have an earned D.Sc. from George Washington University a number of years ago and have been in industry, but want to change over.  I was told Post-Docs and another Phd are the best ways to get in to academics.  I figured I would check out new non-traditional Phd programs since you can work and get the degree.  I found one from research at RMU in Pittsburgh, but is awfully expensive and the do not offer TA positions or fellowships directly.

I loved the NSU campus but I haven't really been in the true academic culture for over 20 years (lets face it, adjuncts are second rate citizens).  But as an adjunct, I at least get the inside scoop, which is why I am wondering  what NSU did to deserve their poor reputation.  I think the programs have turned around and easily comparable in terms of work to other traditional universities.

You also stated considering a second terminal degree.  Do you know if it would be quicker to finish by transferring credits or at least since you have a foundation from you past lit review that you could shave off a few years?

Thanks!

-Partstry

Hi Partstry:

No, but I understand where my NSU degree places in the academic arena. As a Florida resident, I don't plan on teaching full-time, or adjuncting at Florida State or the University of Florida. 

If full-time academia is your goal, then choose your academic Ph.D granting institution carefully, and it won't include a for-profit institution. I earned an Ed.D which is an "applied" degree as opposed to a "theoretical" degree such as a Ph.D. An Ed.D is aimed at working professionals who are going to stay in the working world external to academia. 

I currently have two adjunct positions at both the undergraduate and graduate level at two different institutions, and I anticipate more to come. I also do some consulting and the doctorate degree has helped in this area. 

Take a look at NSU, The Fielding Graduate Institute, or Colorado State University, each of these programs offers a distance learning option. 

As a MBA in finance, I believe strongly in a return-on-investment (ROI) metric. I had my Ed.D paid off in less than a year with tuition reimbursement, adjunct teaching, and consulting. Although there's nothing wrong with pursuing an advanced degree for cognitive interest, it's an expensive hobby.

For future posts, I will post under Partstry since its much easier.

Dr. Dave, I agree with you on adjuncting idea.  Thats how I got all of my adjucting except at Phoenix (seriously, if you can do Physics, they will hire you since nobody wants to teach physics there).  I've been to the campus you talked about at NSU and loved it too.  But where I adjunct, I was told that they won't hire NSU for full time.  Academic snobbery is alive and as well as ever.  This school is a Tier II though and trying to get to a Tier 1 status.  Have you experienced any backlash for the NSU Phd?

The program has changed a lot and the residency/executive/cohort style has worked well for other colleges.  I was warned highly against for-profits, but NSU is not a for-profit.  The program is ideal for what I want, but I can't justify paying that much if I can't use the degree to teach at a University.  Dr. Dave, have any of your classmates made it to teaching at a traditional university (I don't want to teach at a for-profit).

Thanks!

-Partstry

Hey Accreditation for CS:

I believe you're talking about two different issues. The first being accreditation, the second being reputation. I am a NSU Ed.D graduate (see my post above dated September 26, 2008 @ 3:33pm) and reside in Florida. I've visited the Ft Lauderdale campus, it's beautiful! 

Your perceptions are well placed. No need in earning a degree you can't use. You'll learn at many academic institutions, adjuncting is about personal competency and who you know, more so than where you earned your degree. 

I've always believed there should be a return-on-investment (ROI) for any degree. Other than pusuing a degree for cognitive interest, (and that's fine) a degree should pay for itself.

Ah!  Thanks Joe, I understand it now.

Can anyone tell me their thoughts on NSU?  The programs look great and exactly what I want, but upon talking to local colleges about hiring from there, most of them said no.  They believe NSU was nothing more than a Diploma Mill about 10 years ago.  While they admit a change has occured there and the school is getting way better, they still have a bad image of the school.  Ironically, MIT was the only place that said they don't care where the degree comes from to teach there, as long as you are publishing in top journals and your research matches their needs.  I don't think I can make it to MIT, so I'm really wondering why people think NSU has a bad image.  Has anyone ever known of someone who got a Phd there and teaches at a college/university in tenure?

DL = Distance Learning

What is "DL" in the ABET stand for above?

SUNY will be the first total DL ABET in 2010 if they are fortunate enough to get it. U of North Dakota offers DL ABET if you make a few 5 day trips for summer labs.

Can anyone tell me if Nova is planning on going after ABET?  It seems they are AACSB affiliates (This in no way implies they are candidates or going after AACSB, just that they are part of a group that is checking it out), but ABET is important for Science/Engineering and their CIS and CS programs should have it.  Without it, I won't go there.  I asked when I went to visit the campus, and the lady who was showing me around said "We don't think that ABET is important for the success of your future".  What a load of BS crap.  I talked to a faculty member later who was horrified she said that, but didn't know if ABET was in the future.  That was a few days ago.  Can anyone tell me if you know something about ABET there?

I cannot speak for DBA program and their faculty, but I can tell you that such situation does not exist (to be more correct no longer exists) in CS/CIS department. Most of the leading professors there are from outside and very well respected schools.

Hi Joe:

I completed the Ed.D in Organizational Leadership with NSU. Of the approximately twenty professors I had,only one was a NSU graduate. I can't objectively speak for the DBA program.

Oh yeah, Nova faculty are a joke.  I was looking to get a DBA and found out most of the business faculty have their terminal degrees from, guess where... Nova. lol

I applied for the M.S. in Mental Health any advice, thoughts or comments???

I'm currently a new tranfer student at NSU. I honestly wishes that someone should had stop me from applying to this school. Beside the staffs and the financial aids issues that I have to deal with and then stealing my monies claiming they made a mistakes on my students loans. Then they're favorite excuses they used is it is Nova policy. I cannot get any decent help at this school. Furthermore the students in this school are not friendly at all. Now about the tutoring lab they claims NSU have is a joked. NSU hiring new graduate students to teach now thats a double Jokes. I had to drop out of 3 classes because those who were teaching the classes was just graduates students. Who does not know the different between the ass and the head.

Thanks Dr. Dave. I touched basis with the university last week. I'll be in touch if I have any questions.

Hey Ice Man:

Programs and curriculum change, I suggest first going to Nova's website, then contact a Nova admissions representative.  If you're curious about the process, I'll be happy to answer any questions I can.

Dr. Dave, I'm also considering the Nova Ed.D in OL as well. Would it be possible to find out more from you?

Nova is a fine school. My masters and PhD certainly opened many doors for me and I would not change anything about my experience. As any part-online institution, your diploma may invite some scrutiny. Two questions came up for me - are the faculty graduates of the same school (the answer is partly yes but not all yes) and is the graduate school accredited (not the SACS accreditation but rather the more targeted AACSB or something similar) (the answer is no today).

Again, a fine school, probably the best of onlines, great experience, just the few caveats above.

I completed an Ed.D in Organizational Leadership with dual cognates in Human Resource Development and Conflict Resolution in September 2007. I had a nearly flawless experience at NSU. I grew both professionally and personally. If you think studying at NSU is going to be easy, think again, the University continues to raise the bar to entrance and is seeking AACSB accreditation (not apropos to the Education program). 

The comments regarding the curriculum are accurate. The course work is solid and demanding as are the Professors; I had only one professor out of over twenty that I had a complaint with. Don’t wait to confer your dissertation topic with the University, write the concept paper as soon as practically possible and hire an editor. I wrote my concept paper the first semester, and had my proposal written several semesters later, I completed the program with dual minors in thirty-three months. I took as many as four courses per semester, worked full-time, and taught as an adjunct. I read Monday though Friday from 5:00pm to midnight, and wrote all day Saturday and Sunday, and I mean all day, many times, twelve hours on these days. 

Out of the twenty people that started the program in my cohort, 15 completed the course work; we had a couple of students fail at least one course. To date (September 2008) only three students have completed the program with dissertation. I estimate roughly half of the 15 that completed the course work will complete the dissertation in the six years allowed by the University. Like most education at this level, if you are not committed, are academically challenged, or require hand holding, a terminal degree is NOT for you!  

The dissertation process is a lonely process. I strongly encourage you to begin the dissertation early in the process, once you complete the course work, it will be you, the appropriate databases, the library, and your computer. Your dissertation is going to be rejected several times; this is a right of passage. 

Since completing the Ed.D, I have launched my own LLC, have completed several State sanctioned Mediation Certifications, teach as an adjunct at two universities, and act as a business consultant. I am so impressed with NSU, I am considering a second terminal degree program with them. I have researched Capella, Walden, Northcentral, Argosy, University of Maryland University College and University of Phoenix. I actually completed the admission process with Capella and Northcentral. I have not pursued a degree with these two institutions to date.  

In the field of grounded and virtual terminal degree programs, I have to give NSU an A. No doubt, it’s expensive. If you’re searching for resume (or CV) fodder, a hobby, or a quick fix to your career challenges, this program is not for you; however, if you’ll embrace and make the process a personal journey, it’s rewarding with a number of surprising serendipities.

Hm, cluster or institute? If you apply for CIS or CS there is only one option - cluster. I think only ED and IT allow institute. At least this is how it was during my time. The school may change it at any time, so the best advice would be to ask admission office. In any case, the program is oriented for people who are working and live outside of Ft.Lauderdale. For cluster, you have to be on campus 2 times per semester (3 days each, Fr, Sat, Sun) - at the beginning and middle of semester. They try to give you as much theoretical information during the first 3 days. After you leave you keep constant contact with professors and aux staff. They use WebCT for this purpose. Some exams are given online or sent via email, but some of them are given during the second face to face meeting. Sure, you can stay on-campus and visit your professor every day if you wish to do so. Same professors are teaching on-campus undergrad and grad classes as well. Some of them run research projects. So, there is always an options to come in and speak with your professor or adviser at any given time. Yes, there is one more important feature they provide. As full time student you have access to their library and all IEEE and ACM sources. This is very important when you work on your dissertation. Plus, such subsection alone is very expensive. The access expired after you graduate.

CC,

Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions; I truely appreciate it. Just had one more question. I notice you can either choose the institute or cluster format for the PHD programs in the Computing school. My questions are: what format did you decide on and what typically goes on during these residencies? Can the program be taking on the ground at the main campus? Thanks again for reading.

Anyone care to comment on the Ed.D in Organizational Leadership at NSU? I'm considering them but I am a little concerned about the cost involved. Any info from current students within the human services or education specialities is most welcome. Thanks.

I meant "GPA" instead of "GPS" :-). Result of autocorrection done by my editor.

Here we go:

1) Could you comment on the course work portion of the program? What programming languages are beneficial for this program (i.e. is there a lot of java, C etc)?

There are two type of classes you have to take: 3-cr and 4-cr classes. 4-cr classes are projects. In my opinion project classes are more interesting because they involve some research. Yes, almost all classes require programming or knowledge of programming languages. Java is the primary language, but some professors are ok with C/C++. Some even use Lisp.

2) How is the communications in the classroom? Is all the interaction asynchronous or is some synchronous?

Each class has access to a special Web site (WebCT) where you enter your class virtual room. Everything is there. But it does not mean you have no real access to a professor. You can call him, email him, or even visit face-to-face like I did a few times. 

3)You mentioned you took roughly 6 years to complete the program. Is this rate of completion common or were you talking a lighter load each semester.

I would say a light one. I took all classes during 3 years. Plus 3 years for dissertation. If you are fast you can take 2 3-cr and 2 4-cr classes per semester. This is a lot of load, but you will be able to finish all classes in 2 years. Keep in mind that the classes are not easy, but they are doable. The goal here is not to finish all of them as fast as possible, but to finish on time with 3.2 GPA. I knew many students who took a lot of classes and got low GPS. The school put them on probation. They had to take less classes next semester to recover GPS.

CC,

Thanks for the candid review of the CIS program at Nova. I am interested in the same program (PhD CIS) and I had some questions. 

1) Could you comment on the course work portion of the program. What programming languages are beneficial for this program (i.e. is there a lot of java, C etc).

2) How is the communications in the classroom? Is all the interaction asynchcronous or is some synchcronous?

3)You mentioned you took roughly 6 years to complete the program. Is this rate of completion common or were you talking a lighter load each semester.

Thanks reading!

Yes, my employers partially paid for my degree. I did not calculate the total cost because for me, beside the actual school cost, it should include air tickets and hotel stay. I guess the total should end up as 40-45K. I think it is not bad!

So, How much was your total cost in the PhD in CIS at Nova and were you sponsor by someone(employer)?

A very good article for grad students. Recommend. www.cs.unc.edu/~azuma/hitch4.html

I recently graduated this school (PhD in CIS). I see a lot of negative and positive opinions. I think my opinion should be heard by other people because I actually went through all steps and actually graduated. So, I am here to defend my school. 

It took me 6 years, and during this time I met many different kinds of students. When I read all this negative opinions I can even see faces of this people because we met before. First of all, Nova CIS is not printing diplomas. This is accredited school with all strict conditions it imposes. If you go to MIT you expect it to be difficult, so why do you expect Nova to be an easy ride? 

Regarding "this school took my money". Yes, education in US is business like any other. Everything costs money. What Nova sells is education for qualified people, but they do not sell degrees. You have to work hard enough to earn it. If you took classes and you did not pass exams you get 0 credits but you still pay for the class. If you GPA is lower than 3.2 you are out. Who is guilty about it? You and only you. People are not comfortable with this idea, and they try to blame the school. 

Regarding faculty staff. Yes, professors at Nova are friendly, but they are tough because they care about quality of research and the school name. Yes, you have to convince them with facts that your topic is worth their time. After one or a few attempts many students quit because they were not able to come up with productive research topics. In my opinion this is their fault, not the faculty. They will not run after you with a list of open research topics. You have to do the leg work. I’m sorry, but this is true in any grad school whether you like it or not. 

In general, if you ask my opinion about Nova CIS I would recommend it. It is especially good for students who have families, full time jobs, and cannot attend traditional schools for any given reason. You have to prepare yourself to work hard and drop this notion of easy diploma. 

Any other questions? Just ask, I'll answer.

Does anybody have any input on the DHSc program from Nova?

I am interested in attending Nova in the coming years as I am finishing with my Bachelors in CS. I am interested in the Information Security MS degree and curious if anyone knows what the coursework is like, if there are any miminal credit hours and so forth.

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Does anyone have any information on the DPA program? Anyone enrolled or graduated?

I am in the Education Doctoral program at NOVA and the work is challenging..the interaction with professors and students is also good.  In education, having an EDD will go a long way toward school principal and superintendent positions, so it works for me.  Now, to teach at the university level?  I wouldn't recommend it. Overall I am pleased with the program as I am in the dissertation phase now.  A lot of the administrative problems you read on this blog can also be found in many other B&M schools..its part of being a large school.

NSU has really blown it - at one point they had cornered the market in terms of providing a terminal degree in Business. A DBA degree had a lot of appeal to those of us who are practitioners and wanted that "extra edge" over what a mere MBA degree provides. Instead of listening to their customers (uh, that would be their students - in case anyone from NSU is reading this!) they abuse them.  It's NOT a diploma mill...far from it.  The dissertation process was not easy in the sense that nobody cares if you make it through or not...but good grief people, if you just invested $80K and 3-4 years of your life in classes, you figure out how to make it happen!  Expecting to have your hand held is ridiculous - your are getting a TERMINAL DEGREE - this isn't kindgergarden!  However, NSU's constant failure to attend to students' needs, hire non-NSU faculty and seek broader accreditation (Southeastern accreditation is USELESS in the rest of the country) has made them what they are today - a sad 4th tier school.  Building big libraries doesn't make a University good!  Wish I knew then what I do now...oh well!

I finished my MBA in a satellite group with almost 30 people...let's just say Nova couldn't give a flip about anything except the money...that's what it is all about.  I could write a book about the total and complete lack of concern for their students in regard to just looking at this like its a business and we are customers.  Something as simple as getting an adviser to return a phone call or an email - it shouldn't be that tough, pretty basic I should think.

Sadly, some of the profs just gave people grades that had no business passing, which in turn reflects the character of some of these "students" that merely got by - that was really pathetic and even more sad being at the MBA level. Once into this nightmare its impossible to get any of the credits to transfer to another college so it was difficult to just look at the hours and hours of hard work to just go toward nothing in terms of obtaining a MBA at another institution - I know, I tried as did others.  I would advise anyone and everyone to go elsewhere. 

What's really amazing is that these people are so totally and completely resistant to change.  They couldn't care less...they actually think they are doing a good job when in reality they did and do screw up everything from tuition payments to posting your grade two months later than "policy" due to technical difficulties.  What!!?? By the time you finish this MBA Program you are so sick and tired and worn out from attempting to deal with them for 18 months that you just want it over.  They ask your opinion as if they really cared, which makes it even more pathetic...just go somewhere else and save yourself a whole lot of frustration.

Its difficult enough to have to sit in a room with a bunch of pompous egotistical  professionals (that term is used loosely believe me)and then have to deal with some of Nova's professors that acted totally out of line.  Doing their evaluations of their professors is a waste of time as they will not take a single complaint or poor rating seriously.  Instead they have an excuse for anything and everything only to continue on with their lack of concern and unprofessionalism toward their students and how they run this institution.

I am interested in a MS in Early Literacy Education. I was pleased to hear about the reading program. Is there any info on the Early Literacy Program?  Also, you said the program was very rigorous.  About how much work/time is involved per week?

I graduated from Nova in 2007 with an MS in Education (reading).  The courses were rigorous, as one would expect.  I have friends who were earning the same degree at other local universities (such as Barry) and there was absolutely no comparison in programs; Nova offered the more rigorous reading education program.  As far as the professors go, all but one professor that I had were helpful, extremely knowledgeable, and interested in my success.  I did not have a single problem in the time it took me to earn the degree!  I would recommend their School of Education to any teacher...

Nova is not in the AACSB accreditation phase. It is already accredited by the ICABE.

I too would be interested in any comments about the Education dept - master's level.

Does anyone have information on Nova's Fischler School of Education and Human Services?  But more specific, does anyone have information on the Master of Science in Instructional Technology & Distance Education degree program?  Would you recommend it? Avoid it? Do you know where I can get more 3rd party information?  Thanks in advance.

are there any current students in the [graduate] business program? I graduated from University of WI-Madison and was told bc of my GPA I would not be required to take the GMAT, which seemed unusual to me. I have been surfing the last few weeks trying to determine if going to Nova would be a good move. Any suggestions?

Please avoid the school like a disease. They rip you off! They charge you for application and fees and make money and then they don't take you. Save your money somewhere else.

The Engineer

I am a current graduate student here. Avoid the school at all costs. Their professors don't really care, and their advisors don't do any advising. You are on your own.

AVOID AT ALL COSTS

How did Nova steal your money?

Nova charges you and then steals your money. Avoid nova.edu and get better education somewhere else. Nova steals money!

Where can I find information about the NSU AACSB accredition?

A VERY good school for IT related areas is RIT. Check out their distance learning programs.

Hi everybody, I'm looking into graduate programs in information technology and I am currently considering NSU's distance learning program, specifically the masters of science in information technology (with a concentration in information technology management). If you are in the program or have graduated from it please share your thoughts and experiences. 
Finally I would like to identify the essencial difference between the above program and the master in management information systems, how do they differ and in what areas? I am seeking an advanced degree in IT (my profession) because I would like to advance my career and specialize while developing my managment skills. Is this the right choice? Alternative recommendations are welcome.

Thank you for reading and sharing.

NSU is an outstanding university from what I know. Great students do well, and marginal students who need too much hand holding fail. The professors are helpful, and the coursework, dissertation and comp exams are challenging. I did my work and got my degree from NSU. It is paying off big time especially because I learned, and can apply it. I work in industry and also adjunct for many colleges making the big bucks! NSU Business School is an entrepreneurship college, which challenges you to rise up and walk!!! Do something with your life, and make money, while enjoying what you do.

Students who don't have a teachable spirit cannot do well at NSU. NSU is now a candidate for AACSB accredition, and I am proud of the University. Most of their professors are not NSU graduates, but from MIT, Harvard and other reputable universities. NSU accepts dissertation committee members from any University, and encourages publication from its students. NSU's Phd/DBA program is not an online program. You will need to travel to FL or other states to take courses.

Check out their website and read it for yourself: www.nova.edu

I am interested in the M.S. MIS program at NOVA. Do you know the occupations of most graduates of this program?

Thanks,

j

Nursing-Education Journal Gives Thumbs Up to Online Doctorates

An article in the latest issue of Nursing Education Perspectives paints a promising picture of online doctoral programs in nursing.
 
The authors of “Twenty-First Century Doctoral Education: Online With a Focus on Nursing Education” used a matrix of learning benchmarks established by the Higher Learning Commission and the Institute for Higher Education Policy to evaluate the online doctoral program at the University of Northern Colorado.
 
They found that Ph.D. students in the online program felt their studies were rigorous and academically challenging, had ample opportunity to collaborate with other students on research and form meaningful mentor relationships with faculty members through frequent e-mail and chat-room contact, and were inspired to incorporate new learning concepts into their workplaces.
 
Online doctoral-degree programs, which broaden access to high-quality Ph.D. programs and allow nursing instructors to pursue further study alongside full- or part-time employment, may be instrumental in stemming the shortage of Ph.D.-prepared nurse educators, the authors suggest. —Paula Wasley
 
chronicle.com/news/article/3629/nursing-education-journal-gives-thumbs-up-to-online-doctorates
 
nln.allenpress.com/pdfserv/i1536-5026-028-06-0332.pdf   ORIGINAL ARTICLE FROM JOURNAL

2 classes and 1 project is alot of work. If you have 6-8 hrs a day to devote to school, then I'd do the 2 + 1. Otherwise, Id stick with 1 course and 1 project

Thank you very much you made it easy for me

How many course and project do you recommend to enroll each term?

Once agina thank you so much

Yes I do

Thanks for the info

According to your experience with Nova University, Do you recommend this university?

Btw, sorry if I was ambiguous. Obviously a PhD is a doctorate. I was wondering if any type of doctorate would do (PhD, Dsc, Ed etc...)

I did ALOT of research in a PhD vs Dsc. Many say that are totally equal. However, some say that one is more highly respected than the other. It is very hard to tell. My brother has a PhD from an Ivy league school, and he doesn't feel there is any substantial difference between the two. It really depends on who you ask.

I was looking at a degree in IS, and two schools that I found are:

Robert Morris -> Very limited residency
Dakota St. -> No residency, very cheap

Hope this helps somewhat.

Thank you for replying; yes I am looking for PhD in IS.
A professor taught me in my Master Degree program told me that it is better to have PhD than Doctorate Degree.

Thanks for your info.

Are you looking for IS? Does it have to be a PhD or just a doctorate?

Thanks for the info

According to your experience with Nova University, Do you recommend this university?
How many course and project do you recommend to enroll each term?

Is there any test for each course or project?


Thank you so much for the information.

I am currently a student in the CISD program. From what I hear, CS is the most difficult of the doctorate programs and IS and CIS are much easier. For example, a CIS or IS student can take CS courses for credit, but CS cannot take CIS or IS for credit.

So take it for what its worth.

Thank you very much for answering my questions.

Are you stsudent in the IS or CIS PhD program?

Thanks again for the info

I am currently a student at Nova.

If you can put in 30 hrs a week, I would think that a 3.25 shouldn't be very hard to get and the 2 courses + 1 project should be doable. It is a lot of work, but if you have the time and the drive and the patience it is doable.

Thank so much for the information that you have provided me.

Are you currently student at Nova University?
I reviewed the university’s web site and it stated that is most of students enroll in 2 courses and 1 project. (Total of 10 credit hours). How many hours should I dedicate for 10 credit hours each week?  I am currently working a full time job. 
Is it hard to achieve a GPA of 3.25?
Is there any test for each course or project?

I did my Masters degree online and I had to study about 30 hours a week for a class.
I found out that the online university is harder than the traditional university, but a lot of companies do not take the online degree seriously.
For me the only option I have is to go to online university.


Any advice is really appreciated?

Thanks for your reply.

- The courses in the IS field are difficult, but I'd say that CS is harder.
- Professors are usually very good, but Id do your own research
- See the website. I THINK 16 is the max # of credit hours?
- The number of study hours varies. Id say 4 hours outside for each credit hour.
- Assignments are usually large, thought out research projects
- A's are difficult to achieve, but doable. The coursework does not require you to be a genius (although it wouldn't hurt) but it is really more about time. If you are willing to work hard, then you will do well.

I am planning to enroll in  the PhD program in the IS field?
How is the  quality of  the courses?
How is the quality of the professors?
How many course can  a student take each term?

How many hours do I  need to study each week?
 
How is the assignment?
Is it difficult to have A  in the classes?


Any advice is appreciated

Thanks

I have a Ph.D. from NOVA Southeastern in Computing Technology in Education. My B.S. in Music and M.T. in Computer Science were from a traditional regional state university.

I obtained the Ph.D. while teaching computer science and information systems at the same regional university. I was not in a position to move and quit employment to do doctoral work via the traditional route. This was my only choice for obtaining a Ph.D.

I have no regrets taking the path I chose. I was able to write an $800,000 NSF grant using my NOVA credentials. I also have been published and review for credible journals/proceedings.

There is definitely prejudice from many who go the traditional Ph.D. route. It is amazing. It has been my experience that the very people who are educated and should be the most informed, do the least amount of research on distance programs when making evaluations. I call this ignorance. 

It is also a fact that most traditional universities in the U.S. offer online classes and many offer online degrees. However, there are still administrators at these same institutions that look down upon a Ph.D. obtained in this fashion. This is very hypocritical.

Here are a few interesting facts about NOVA...

- Regionally accredited
- Library (on campus, app. $15,000,000 to build, another $7,000,000 single donation)
- Medical, Dental, Law School (on campus)
- Graduate School of Computer and Information Sciences (certifications by NSA, largest IEEE student chapter in Florida, hosted IEEE regional conference in 2005)
- 2005 President of the APA (NOVA faculty)
- Miami Dolphins (training facility on NOVA campus)
- The Huizenga Business School is a candidate for AACSB accreditation (this should happen soon)
- Pioneers of online education (offering the first graduate online degrees in the mid 80's)

Any person who seriously does their homework on NOVA will know that this is not a diploma mill or substandard education.

As with any traditional or non-traditional program, a Ph.D. is minimal entrance. It is what a person does with it afterward that makes the difference.

I have a Ph.D. from NOVA Southeastern in Computing Technology in Education. My B.S. in Music and M.T. in Computer Science were from a traditional regional state university.

I obtained the Ph.D. while teaching computer science and information systems at a the same regional university. I was not in a position to move and quit employment to do doctoral work via the traditional route. This was my only choice for obtaining a Ph.D.

I have no regrets taking the path I chose. I was able to write an $800,000 NSF grant using my NOVA credentials. I also have been published and review for credible journals/proceedings.

There is definitely prejudice from many who go the tradional Ph.D. route. It is amazing. It has been my experience that the very people who are educated and should be the most informed, do the least amount of research on distance programs when making evaluations. I call this ignorance. 

It is also a fact that most traditional universities in the U.S. offer online classes and many offer online degrees. However, there are still administrators at these same instituitions that look down upon a Ph.D. obtained in this fashion. This is very hypocrytical.

Here are a few interesting facts about NOVA...

- Regionally Accredited
- Libray (on campus, app. $15,000,000 to build, another $7,000,000 single donation)
- Medical, Dental, Law School (on campus)
- Graduate School of Computer and Information Sciences (certifications by NSA, largest IEEE student chapter in Florida, hosted IEEE regional conference in 2005)
- 2005 President of the APA (NOVA faculty)
- Miami Dolphins (training facility on NOVA campus)
- The Huizenga Business School is a candidate for AACSB accreditation (this should happen soon)
- Pioneers of online education (offering the first graduate online degrees in the mid 80's)

Any person who seriously does their homework on NOVA will know that this is not a diploma mill or substandard education.

As with any traditional or non-traditional program, a Ph.D. is minimal entrance. It is what a person does with it afterward that makes the difference.

Like you mentioned, I would take those rankings with a grain of salt, but atleast you see that Nova is not a sham school.

If you choose to attend there, you will see that it is a real B&M campus, that seems to be expanding rapidly. (I think the Miami Dolphins train there.)

The school has a nice library, student Union etc.....

Food for thought.

If I get accepted.

Thanks for the link..

Here is the 2007 version.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2007/0709.natlrankings.pdf

Nova is ranked lower in this one but these rankings don't really reflect the academic quality of the institution (they use social mobility, service to the community) so it wouldn't factor into my decision.

One thing that was surprising was the amount of research grants the school receives.  Nova gets $1 million per year which is small given the size of the school.  The next smallest school in Florida got $9 million.  Just for perspective, UofF got $179 million.  I wonder how the professors fund their research.  I guess the tuition fees must cover whatever they do.  I also noticed that the Nova degree emphasizes course/project work as oppose to other schools.  Other institutions I have looked at require only 12-18 hours in course work with the rest of the time being spent on research work, a comprehensive exam and the dissertation.


Either way, as you mention, at least some research is done.  This is certainly preferable to the for-profit UofP model.
  
Like you, I am on the fence.  I am looking at some B&M school but have to find out if they will provide the flexibility I require to keep working.  With a family and mortgage, the funding that local schools provide will not keep me above water, yet most do not allow doctoral students to study part-time.

It looks like a may see you in Fort Lauderdale next year sometime.

Good luck,
F.

Frank,


Most people teach at the college/university level and need a PhD for a promotion to continue on. 


I had a VERY tough decision before starting the program, but have been very pleasantly surprised with the program. Nova is more respected than UOP, Capella etc... and many other traditional schools, but obviously is no MIT, RIT, Stanford. 
Ultimately, you will be judged on your research and papers. A Nova grad gave me some good advice. If you have a degree from Nova, and the other guy they are interviewing went to MIT, you will need to bring something else to the table. Ie publications.

With great publications, I would say that almost no schools are out of reach to teach at. However, with decent publications, I would say that you shouldn't have much of a problem teaching at 80-90% of the schools out there.


http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0609.national.html

Is a good site to check out. Nova is ranked reasonably well.

Thanks for your input current grad...it has been most useful....

I assume when you say teaching, you mean at the university level.

By question 1, I was just trying to figure out how much the faculty puts in research, which in turn determines how much work you can participate in.

I spoke with an admissions officer which I found to be very honest and open about the degree's standing in academia (Don't bother using it to teach at MIT, U.I, Stanford, etc). However he did tell me that a PhD grad is ultimately evaluated on their publications (quantity/quality) as oppose to the school they went to.
If the projects they talk about rigorous enough, they can possibly be peer-reviewed and published.

Do the professors/advisors tell you what prospects lie ahead for graduates of the program?( i.e. if you can't teach at a top tier school, what can you do?)

Cheers,
F.

I am currently in the Doctorate program in CS. (There aren't many of us, most go IS because from what I hear, it is easier)


1) Not sure

2) Most are teachers, some are application developers

3) I believe the students are just as driven as any other university, if not more so since most have alot of experience teaching, or in industry.

4) The project course is essentially a big project which you do. 40-50 page research paper etc....

5) Most of the student body seems to come from all over the US. 


I had numerous questions upon entering the program, but have been generally presently surprised. As of now, I am not aware of any other PhD programs in CS which can be completed mostly at a distance which do not come from "diploma mills." 

If you do not want to quit your job, and want a PhD at mostly a distance, then NSU seems to be far and away the best choice. However, if you want to teach at a top tier school MIT, Stanford etc.... then you should probably stick with a more traditional program.

Current Grad Student:

Thanks for your insight....

I am considering your program and am hoping for some unbiased information.  I did notice that the newly appointed faculty members are from "big name" schools which is good.  Having said that, there is nothing wrong with faculty from your home school as well.  The key in my opinion is a nice mix so that a student can draw ideas from faculty members with diverse backgrounds in terms of training, teaching methods etc.

I have a few questions that maybe you can comment on.

1) Do the faculty members have research teams affiliated with the university or is their research done independently (or with other institutions)? If so, do the students get involved with this work?

2) In the PhD CS program, what are the occupations of the students in the program?  

3) Do you consider the standard of students at the university reasonable for doctoral level work (ie is it compromised of "smart students" who chose to work instead of traditional grad school vs. people that just couldn't get into other schools)?

4) What is the difference between the "project" courses and the regular ones?

5) Where does the student body come from?  What percentage of them are international students?

I appreciate your comments thus far.

F.

Although some of what I'm hearing in this forum may be true, I have a stake in the reputation of Nova, as I will hopefully soon complete my PhD from the Graduate School of Computer and Information Sciences.  Therefore, I have a stronger sense of committment than others that have obviously blasted them here.

To comment on the point of most of the professors graduating from Nova, it is true that many of them did.  However, the practice of Nova hiring its own graduates has ceased, as I understand it by way of a newly implemented policy by the school's president.  This change took effect perhaps three years ago or so.

I guarantee that the majority of the newly hired graduate school faculty will come from prestigious, research level 1 universities.  So factor this into your decision making, but alas, the dissertation comments are somewhat accurate. But also consider that no doctoral student has ever had a pleasant dissertation experience, regardless of school.  

And finally consider that there may be many people in Nova's doctoral programs who may not truly have the suitable skills or background to pursue this level of academic work, which is why they ultimately fail to finish.

im in a masters program at nsu and i must agree..the staff is not helpful and biased in their grading..if you have the option of attending a different school, id take it. from what i hear from others in various graduate programs, they are facing the same barriers...good luck

I am currently a PhD CS student at Nova. The classes are difficult, but doable. They do not "give away" degrees at Nova. Nova is by no means an MIT, but IMHO does give away degrees that are worth far more than anything you'd get at Walden, Capella etc..

Hey Richard....

Was this experiance in the PhD program for computer science?

I was looking at the PhD CS program there (it is the only accredited PhD CS program I can find) and also noticed that many of the professors graduate from there which is never good.

You mentioned that the class component was OK.  Was the quality of the classes good?

I know you abandoned the program because of the dissertation but I just wanted to add that traditional schools do the same things to you in terms of graduation.  I know a few people abandoning PhD work because of the lack of funding / support from the school and its faculty. 

Did you tranfer schools or just quit.

Good luck

Wow, these reviews do not sound positive. Why did they all leave the CS program Fred?

Im not a CS major but I know a few and they all ended up leaving after anywhere from 1 semester to a year.The review was not positive and I have to agree with the first reply , they take your money but stall your development. Im a bio major and I have had it with them. They spend most of the money on anything non academic esp the rec center.Not all the professors are bad but the worst ones seem to be in the most important courses...which is really a hinderance. Im leaving next semester.

I can tell you a lot about this school. I was a PhD student there back to 2006. Their program consists of two parts: taking classes, working on dissertation. Taking classes is the easiest part. You can take it in 2-2.5 years. The second part is a big trick. I would even say a scam. The school makes the most of the money from your classes, and they absolutely have no interest in your dissertation or your success. Do not get me wrong. I knew many people who are very bright, energetic, but could not complete dissertation because their professors show no interest in their work. You will realize it first time when you try to fund a professor to be your lead. They just say "I am not interested". If you are lucky to find “interested” professor you will have another issue. Since they all concentrating on teaching classes, they have no time for you. You make posts, writing proposals, waiting for their replies and guess what, they reply 1 or 2 times per semester. You pay your money expecting some attention, and you are not getting it. In my opinion this is a scam. Plus look at their faculty. Most of the faculty members graduated Nova. I am not sure about their current status, but it was so about a year ago. This is a very bad sign. Take my advice, if you have chance to be accepted by a traditional school, avoid Nova! I realized it about a year ago. I left this school. They just take my money, time, and stall your development.

Anyone have any information on this school? I am contemplating entering into their PhD program in Computer Science.