Kennedy Western University

You may try contacting attorney Gary Scott at the Hirst, Applegate firm in Cheyenne, WY: (307) 632-0541. He represents Bob Patterson, as well as other owners of the school.

For more info or to find other former students check out this Facebook page: 

facebook.com/pages/Kennedy-Western-UniversityWarren-National-University-Alumni/117171474969710#!/group.php?gid=125398000824934

Dear Al:

Sorry to have to give you the bad news but your "honest and good" university was closed in March of 09 as a result of their inability to meet the basic minimum requirements of accreditation.

Unfortunately, the "tuition" you paid was wasted but we're sure that you did accomplish some useful learning from your studies.

A large group of former WNU customers is suing the owners of that outfit but for most other students it'll just have to be chalked up as an important learning experience.

We wish you all the best in your future endeavors.

Dear Sir 
I use to be a Combined BS/MS Mechanical Engineer student at your honest and good university and holding a ID No. F6805 a years ago ( when I was working at Al Khobar in Saudi Arabia.)My original diploma not received from your side and realy I need it for my career and post specially now I'm back to my original home country Lebanon I tryed several time to mail your secretary office and they denyed my intuition while all my dues was payed fairly.
Please sir is their is any way that I could get back my diploma, I will highly appreciat if you can help me for this issue and I'm ready to cooperate ( My ID still exist with me and some of the payement receipt also .
Thanking your kind assistance in helping your ex student .
Sincerly 
Antoine Al Hajjar

Education is general good term, depending how you expressed, but KWU owner(s) is JUNKER who just worried for money, and now what about all KWUers? what they are doing with their degrees?.....

You should be able to get your transcripts.

Your case may be one in whice legal action can be justified. 

Somewhere in this post there was contact information regarding a law firm representing former students in a class action suit. If its not possible you can still contact a lawyer on your own.

finished all my course work, was 25% into my final thesis... no word, no email, no phone call... i try to log into my account with no luck, phone calls were disconnected. worse part... after a month of searching, i found warren, warren university that took over would not take my credits.... absolutly worthless and disgusted!!! 

Re: Duped

I feel for you. I too am a graduate of Kennedy-Western.

Most of my anger is not directed towards the University, which really made a good go of it, but the State of Wyoming and the Accreditation Mafia which destroyed the academic freedom of us all.

I do not consider my degree worthless however. It is what you make of it.

After doing a web search, I find that Kennedy-Western University no longer exist. I'm left with three words to describe my thoughts and feelings; DISAPPOINTED, HURT, and MAD. I feel as though I was taken advantage of and nothing can be done about it now. If this was to get back to the job, Can anyone imagine the gossip amoung co-workers about this worthless degree.  Its like not having a degree at all.

Re: MIS Grad

Not everyone would say that their education was a waste of money.

But if you are among those who wish to join the lawsuite then you can contact attorney Muliha Khan. 
Her address is: mkhan@rothgerber.com and the firm's web site address is www.rothgerber.com 

I do not know if you can still join this action. From what I hear it seems to be dragging on.

I myself am not part of this action but then again, I actually found that my degree is useful. I guess its all a matter of how you market yourself and your credentials.

I graduated with a BS in MIS, I guess I was lucky to have a job already and only needed the degree to advance my career on the job.  I glad I'm not trying to use this degree today. I must say that while attending, I did see some great signs that gave me encouragement; I had a friend that was attending the University of Fl. and he said that they used some of the same text books that I useded.  Also some of the online technology used where also used by local Universities here.  So, if everything was fake, they did a good job of hiding it.  I'm just sorry my degree, time, and money was wasted and it looks like nothing can or will be down about it.  This didn't only affect the students in the State thats sueing it affects students all over the USA.  Every one that attended and/or graduated should have been contacted for some sort of class action.  The only way I fought out about current state of KWU was by doing a web search. I paid in full for a MS in MIS and only had two courses and a paper to do...now what???

Could you say that in English please?

The entire number of query to be tried is hundred.

Say, check out the "Floored" Nov 20 comment above.

I'm APPALLED at what I'M reading!

It's another example of a WN"u" "graduate" who lacks a decent command of the English language.

No decent college should award a diploma or degree to anyone with such a serious literacy issue.

Yes, that outfit really did rip off thousands of good people including those who studied hard and learned a lot but were nevertheless duped into thinking that a WN"u" degree had any value. 

 

Yes that comment made very little sense. But would you really judge all Kennedy-Western University grads by just one person? I know some people who graduated from accredited schools whose command of English is just as bad. They are not necessarily dumb, its just that communication is not their forte.

Re: Rick James B

Actually it was the State of Wyoming who I am more upset with. Kennedy-Western was not a bad school, it just became a victim of its own success.

I feel badly for all the students who were duped by this dump, but many of them have swallowed there losses and gone on to get college degrees.

Re: James

Sure, when sharks smell blood they will follow the scent.
Some people may have legitimate reasons to sue the former administrators of Warren or Kennedy. But do you really think that some are just trying to get their college loans paid off for nothing?

As a side note, I have been following this as you have. Unfortunately for the plaintiffs, it seems to be bogged down in red tape. I do know that suites can drag on for years. For those who actually have legitimate reasons for wanting their money back, I honestly feel for them.

One piece of good news to report, it is now possible for students to get their transcripts once again.

Just take a look at the current lawsuit and see how the REAL students of WNU evaluated their "education"

Just take a look at the current lawsuit and see how the REAL students of WNU evaluated their "education"

Did you actually graduate from Kennedy-Western or are you one of those claiming to have?

I am skeptical of your claim since you state "Are you saying there is a difference between getting credit for nothing (life experience) versus getting credits for next to nothing (1 simple multiple choice exam) from unaccredited universities."

If you actually took classes at Kennedy-Western then you would know better.

The classes were hard. And quite honestly if you were a student you would know this.

I suspect that this phony student who ratted out the University had sought the easiest class she could find and somehow got the answers, maybe from fellow students.

But that's neither here nor there. I think it very obvious that her testimony in front of that witch hunt was specious.

And I will continue to repeat myself, tell me one student or representative of the University who was allowed to give the other side. I repeat ONE!

I rest my case.

What exactly is your question?

I earned/passed more than 40% of my degree by just applying and being granted them for "life experience".  So maybe one hour of effort to fill out the form.

The gal from the diploma mill investigation against Kennedy Western also did so by "life experience" and some simple multiple choice exams (1 per course) where she never even read the material.

Are you saying there is a difference between getting credit for nothing (life experience) versus getting credits for next to nothing (1 simple multiple choice exam) from unaccredited "universities"

"claimed that she earned 40% of her credits in 16 hours, a claim that nobody else at Kennedy-Western could say is possible? "

KWU granted me that much credit for 0 hours of effort, that was my life experience grant, actually a little more than 40% of the degree.

Re: James

You fail to understand something. I believe that it may be true that some of us were given credits going into the program. But this statement is deliberately misleading.

The statement states clearly that she EARNED 40% of her credits. 

In other words, do you think that of all the courses you took and the tests you took, that you PASSED 40% of you classes in 16 hours?

I say it is impossible and I defy anyone to tell me otherwise.

I did so after emailing bobpatterson562@gmail.com

This is the email for Bob Patterson, former COO of Warren National University. 

Re: Brad

Well education of any kind can only server as a tool. When I take my car to a mechanic I care very little about what kind of paper hangs on her wall (note the gender neutral language here... ha ha), but rather I want to know how well she can fix that oil leak.

A degree is all about getting your foot in the door. Once you are in you still have to prove you can do what you are paid to do. In the IT Field, which happens to be my line of work, nobody is going to pay you just because you have a degree. Standford, MIT, Cal Tech or whatever it takes more than a sheepskin to keep a job. 

When I was interviewed for a position as a Network Administrator the first question I was asked was whether I knew how to set up a system and keep it running. They then asked me a series of questions. This is really where one's education comes into play. My interviewer did not care where I got my degree or what it said. He only wanted to know if I could do the things that I said that I could do.

Not asking where you got your degree is not the case in many industries.  Almost every on-line application has required this information and I have been told by recruiters that it is a red flag and an automatic disqualifier for some companies.  There are also a number of employers who require a degree regardless of your experience (20 years in my case) just because it's their policy. 

You mean that sham in which they brought some liar who claimed that she earned 40% of her credits in 16 hours, a claim that nobody else at Kennedy-Western could say is possible? And the same Senate witch-hunt in which no former students were allowed to tell the truth?

THAT Senate "hearing?"

Sorry guy, not everyone is drinking the cool aid.

I think most would be happy to accomplish getting their money back as a participant in the class action lawsuit.

No amount of revisionist history is going to change KWU's appearance before the senate in a diploma mill hearing, it failed accreditation attempt, and eventually being run out of business.

But what ever works for your self-esteem, go for it.

An interesting research project would be to determine what accomplishments former Kennedy Western Students have achieved within their careers, especially within the areas surrounding their studies at K-W.  It is not what university you attend, but what you do with the education you obtain.  Ivy league is no better or worse than land grant programs ... some good, some bad.  The diploma from a so called accredited or unaccredited "paper mill" only serves as a key to open a door ... most of the time its who you know and not what you know that increases your hiring and promotions.  Its the hands-on daily application that provides the knowledge.  With the economy as it is today more people are returning to schools for degrees, but as times change their degrees will be no better or no worse than those offered by K-W.

Southern New Hampshire University will gladly take all Warren National credits and graduates.  Contact Danielle Mullins there.   1-888-387-0861.

SNHU is regionally accredited.

You will want to email bobpatterson562@gmail.com

This is the email for Bob Patterson, former COO of Warren National University. 

Is there anyone at all, can help?

Applied for a job, but they cannot get transcripts, any help?

I just have a WNU bachelors degree, what ar ethe names of the colleges that will accept me for grad school?

Thanks in advance, 

I received a (BS) Bachelor Of Science in electrical engineering in 1996. 
So my experience at Kennedy Western was excellent.  The curriculum and text books were also excellent and I myself felt very good about the results I received.  Kennedy Western worked for me as a working professional who couldn't leave my job, that made it possible for me to reach my goal. My degree has helped me so much!!! 

Local newspaper interviews kennedy western "university" "student".  Much of the same, but still good reading.

"My talk with a Kennedy-Western degree-holder who has only recently learned just how little that degree holds for her."

cheyenneherald.com/_pdf/2011/August%202011/August%202,%202011%20page%208.pdf

To which I would ask what right does any government authority have to tell people what constitutes a valid educataion institution?

There seem to be so many people willing to sacrifice freedom at the alter of conformity. When will it end?

"Oh... and since when is it illegal to get an education?"

From the Texas law listing Kennedy Western, there doesn't seem to be any problem with thousands of institutions, just the ones that they have deemed lacking or substandard as a consumer protection measure.

So answer this one:

Do you think now that Dr Bear realizes that he made a mistake by recommending Kennedy-Western, do you think that he will refund the tuition of all those students he steered there? Or for that matter do you think that he will refund the price they paid for his worthless book?

I think he is just another hypocrite.

Oh... and since when is it illegal to get an education?

"You should believe Dr John Bear who advocated the University or the 30,000 students who graduated."

Sorry, but that is 16 years ago, and the expert has ever since called Kennedy Western "unversity" a diploma mill.

As has most states where it is illegal.

As has the Senate during a diploma mill hearing.

As has a hundred students in a lawsuit against the diploma mill.

As has the Chief Academic officer of the diploma mill itself.  Her name is easy to find, just look in the article or your academic catalog.  I have a cop.

But I don't believe it is appropriate to "out" anyone who has worked for this dump or "attended" it as it only ends in them being fired.

Oh yea,

while we are talking about this "Chief Academic Officer," maybe you can tell me what her name is.


I cannot tell you who the CAO is at DeVry either, nor could I at Kansas State where I studied as well. Can you tell me who the CAO was at YOUR school? Or did you actually attend a school?

Correct, it was the Chief Academic Officer who was quoted.  How sad is it that none of the former "students" know her.  I am sure they know the sales and marketing people, LOL

The article was in lock step with the Diploma Mill Senate investigation.  The WN"u" said that "if you could write the check, you could come to school." and WN"u" admitted people "who were truly not university quality candidates".

Other than the Chief Academic Officer of the "university" itself, who should we believe instead?

You mean to say the person whose name has, until this very day never been known who was quoted in a "newspaper" written by one guy whose prejudice against Kennedy-Western is very well documented and who refuses to print op eds and uses pejorative terms (e.g. basement dweller, Nazi etc.) to describe anyone whose opinion is not his own? You mean THAT Chief Academic Officer.

Even if this person existed, and even if she told the truth, I would say that it is a damning indictment when you consider that this supposed individual actually made a livelihood of taking money from students for a service which she knew was dishonest and then turns around and makes screws them over.

Reminds me of a man who lures a woman into sleeping with him and then once she does, brags about his conquest and leaves her in ruin.

In other words, this Chief Academic whatever, if she really does exist is a complete hypocrite.  

"BTW: That whole dog-and-pony show before the US Senate was 8 damn years ago."

And amazingly, even bit of info has been further corroborated at every turn by the Chief Academic officer, former students, exposes, without even an attempt by the "university" to challenge the findings.

No wonder the State shut it down for good.

BTW: That whole dog-and-pony show before the US Senate was 8 damn years ago.

Re: Sam

You blast a book because it was published 16 year ago (writen by an expert on diploma mills no less) and yet you will bring up a bogus "Investigation" by some self serving politicians which brough forward a slew of easily refuted allegations by questionable witnesses.

A couple of other facts to mention: 

First the University was not shut down. It was closed voluntarily by its owners. 

Second: 30,000 people graduated from Kennedy-Western. And somewhere around 100 students decide to sue. So what does that tell you? That .33% of former students are suing the college?

Now I will grant you, we all want something for nothing, which is why 100 former students want to get their education for nothing. And perhaps a few have honest reasons for getting their money back. After all, when our college closed its doors, after a relentless campaign by the accreditation mafia, a few people were left twisting in the wind. But I think there are a number who are just trying to get some easy money here.

Oh, and something else for you, Sam,

Do the people at "University" of Phoenix who are paying you to write this stuff actually know that Kennedy-Western is out of business? Seems like you hooked up a pretty good scam there.

There may have been more of the former student speaking up if we knew this lawsuit was ongoing.  I graduated August 2002 BS in Business Admin.  Which has not don't a thing for me except cost me money

Jackie Holder  Jholder001@aol.com

Lol, so they are investigated by the Senate, shut down by the State, sued by former students, but a anonymous post referencing a sentence from a book 16 years ago should vindicate them?

I can see why you guys were easily fleeced into buy a degree from this diploma mill.

Since we are talking about references to Kennedy-Western being a legitimate school, there is one piece of evidence to submit:

askmehelpdesk(dot)com/distance-learning/kennedy-western-university-transcripts-527060(dot)html

See the response from DWaterman1334 (no, I am not DWaterman)

Junior Member You might be surprised to know that Kennedy-Western wasn't always a "degree mill." I chose to study there because of what John Bear had to say about the school in his book:

College Degrees by Mail-100 Good Schools that offer Bachelor's, Master's, Doctorates and Law Degrees by Home Study
By John Bear, Ph.D. -1995

I think Dr. Bear may have changed his mind some time around 1999-2000; by that time Kennedy-Western had been in business since the 1980's and had graduated over 23,000 students.

Do an experiment and search for Kennedy-Western + PhD. You might be surprised at the number of current college professors who are Kennedy-Western alumni...

allbusiness.com/government/government-bodies-offices-public/5612858-1.html

"Oregon officials are also obligated under the settlement agreement to refrain from characterizing KWU as a diploma mill or substandard school on the Office of Degree Authorization website or elsewhere. The Attorney General's office also agreed to provide ODA personnel with a training session on defamation law. "

"either individuals in expose articles, in the student lawsuit, or diploma mill hearings"

Those ridiculous "hearings" you referred to never allowed ANY former students to testify. The only testimony heard were from a disgruntled ex-employee may have been fired for smoking dope for all we know, and someone who made a claim to have passed 40% her exams in 16 hours. Anyone who attended Kennedy knows that this cannot be done. Nobody else did it.

As for that lawsuit, a few students want to get their degrees for nothing so they latch on to this gravy train. It has not been resolved and may drag on forever.

And that other crap? A few politically motavated witch hunts here and there does not mean all that much.

Now you want some sources of Kennedy-Western as a legitimate institution? Go google that Oregon lawsuit in which some small time Fascists in that state actually tried to criminalize all unaccredited degrees and got shot down big time in court.

Oh... Sam... one more thing...

What year did YOU graduate from Kennedy-Western?

Give it up Sam.

You would not know the truth if it bit you on the bottom.

30000 people invested in Kennedy-Western University and Warren National afterwards.

And I would wager that if you ask any one of them if it was easy they would tell you no.

"What you stated is not true.
40% of the tests could be retaken and thats all.",

Even though 40% would be pathetic enough, I am simply citing what dozens of former students are representing in a lawsuit.

I have not seen any signs of success, just repeated articles about KW "u" "alumni" who are in the news for the wrong reasons, either individuals in expose articles, in the student lawsuit, or diploma mill hearings.

16 hours?  I can't see why it would take 16 minutes.

This was just published from the diploma mill lawsuit on WNU "exams":

"49. The Defendants  did not inform the students that:
e. Students could take the same test a second time, after they learned the correct answers from the first test.
f. The exams were shams; there was no exam integrity"

My question is:  Did they actually have to pick random answers the first time, or could they leave it all blank before printing the answers?  If I had to randomly click the first time, it might take twice as long.

Correction: The last sentence should read, "I will give you the exams" since this is four tests we are talking about here.

YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE!

I am please to announce my latest challenge to all you who are labeling my University as a "Diploma Mill."

You really believe that you can pass 40% of Kennedy-Western courses in 16 hours?

Well here is a chance to prove it! I will bring the books from four of my courses (I took 10 courses, not including a long final project so 4 out of 10 is 40%), along with study notes. I will then give you 16 hours to study this and then I will give you the exam. 

Any takers?

Re: Time Bomb: This individual was a public official who was under suspicion for a number of activities. Her dismissal was really not a lot different from other people in high level public positions. In other words its all about politics.

The paper was wrong in stating that the University was any kind of "Diploma Mill" and quite honestly this paper should be sued for libel.

Re: "Latest Hysterical Review", more lies and garbage from a discredited source. May I refer you to the numerous posts preceding your own. You might be interested to know that this "Chief Academic Officer" or whoever she was, was never named. It was also posted in a paper edited and published by an individual who never post letters to the editor and dismisses people who disagree with his own opinions as "Nazis" and basement dwellers.

So take your "faux-Phd" and sell it to the Cheyenne Herald. I am not buying it.

Our most recent faux-Phd states:  "The dissertation took 1,700 hours to write"

Too bad nobody read or peer-reviewed it.  The Chief Academic Officer from Kennedy Western / Warren National University was quoted in the local newspaper as saying:

"One person was there to read dissertations, and "unless blatantly plagiarized", everyone is passed."  

Re: Zam

Thank you for the testimonial. Appearantly not everything that this "Real Degree" individual is attempting to say is correct.

I think that it is a basic freedom to be able to claim a well earned degree and use it to secure employment. Anyone who thinks otherwise is opposed to the very notion of individual liberty.

All I can say is thank God for freedom!

Re: "Real: Degree

Usually those who are so quick to judge others are the ones who are most guilty.

I have no idea whether anything you say is true but I do know that many graduates of Kennedy-Western did get decent jobs. This may be because the University did operate legally and was licensed in the State of Wyoming.

"And I have a "real" "degree" which I earned from Kennedy-Western.

And quite frankly I would not want to work for you."

Unfortunately for you, we validate academic credentials and screen out the fakes before they even get to managers for review.

Got Bachelor's Degree. If people think they could have gotten it in 3 hours they need to think twice because it was more like 3 yrs of study. I guess they got greedy and starting allowing more life credits to dilute their entry process. But at the time I applied the rules were very strict and the degree has indeed help me attain employment to a very lucrative position. 

Sorry Michael, I meant to say that Dr Bear had good things to say in his book entitled:

College Degrees by Mail-100 Good Schools that offer Bachelor's, Master's, Doctorates and Law Degrees by Home Study
By John Bear, Ph.D. -1995

Anyway this is a school which graduated 30,000 students in its time of operation, from 1984 until its closing. 

Sorry to hear that Micheal. At one time it was a higly regarded University. So much that Dr. John Bear had to say about the school in his book:

College Degrees by Mail-100 Good Schools that offer Bachelor's, Master's, Doctorates and Law Degrees by Home Study
By John Bear, Ph.D. -1995

Later John Bear turned against the University for reasons known only to himself.

I cannot post the source of this information since this site uses a hyperactive spam filter, but if you Google this you might find more.

I have an MBA with KWU. I knew when I started that it was a State Licensed College and that they were working on Accreditation. I wish they would have received it as I have been tossed from some good jobs once the find out and it doesn't help that the school is closed.

This is an unverified report. I hope to get accurate data as it arrives.

Update on the Lawsuit: Our transcripts are frozen until the lawsuit has been either passed through the grand jury process or thrown out of the courts.

Stay tuned:

Re: Recruiter

Worthless to you perhaps but not to everyone. 

And I have a "real" degree which I earned from Kennedy-Western.

And quite frankly I would not want to work for you.

This is a diploma mill.  I do not understand how anyone can defend this "school" when their degrees are completely worthless.  I am a recruiter and about 90% of jobs I fill require at least a Bachelor's degree.  I wish all of you could see how many times I have to tell someone that their Kennedy Western "Degree" does not count and thus, they cannot work for us.  Go get a real degree people...this "school" is a SCAM

Re: Recruiter

I am a HR Manager with over 20 years experience and only obtained this degree because of the screening processes when conducting job search.  Let me tell you, this degree and the associated courses were every bit as challenging as other colleges I've attended. It's a shame that the graduates are the one's being harmed by the situation.

So what about the kid?

The ex employee who testified at this Kangaroo Court was really not saying anything that was all that different from how the University of Phoenix recruits. I believe a number of for-profit school have similar methods as well.

In no place in this testimony can we draw the conclusion that Kennedy-Western Universitie's recruiting methods would indicate that its value as an education provider is of any lessor value.

What he said is not only a non sequitur, but it casts his own character in a negative light. After all, it is one thing to earn money off of selling a product that one believes is of no value. But it is far worse to do so and then castigate your alleged victims to further punishment for your own wrong doing.

Now I happen not to believe this witness. But lets play Devil's Advocate and assume what he said is true. Then would he not be a hypocrite for taking money to dupe innocent students and then speak ill of the same ones he took money from?

In short, this witness is either a liar or a hypocrite.

I read all that garbage (though it made me ill to read through all those lies) and did not see one single student present to testify on behalf of the students. NOT ONE!

What I did read was a incredulous statement made by a hired gun, paid to find fault with the University and a disgruntled ex employee who, in able to get even with his former employer, made several irrelevant comments against the school, which in no way had anything to do with the quality of education.

But no where in that bogus hering were any REAL students allowed to testify.

If you pay people to lie than you will certainly get results.

And I have not heard anyone tell me yet that it is possible to earn 40% of one's grade at KWU. And please spare me that garbage about some students allegedly getting 40% or more of their credit knocked off. Even if it were true, we are still talking about actual credit hours earned through taking classes and testing.

In short, this government "witness" was probibly a liar or found some way to cheat.

You'll have to read it yourself.  Please see the information provided by Kennedy Western, one of its' students, and one of its' former employees about this cesspool.  It is all there.

Source:  Kennedy Western

Senate Hearing 08-553 BOGUS DEGREES AND UNMET EXPECTATIONS: ARE TAXPAYER DOLLARS SUBSIDIZING DIPLOMA MILLS?

Really?

I do not see it that way. And I happen to value my freedom, thank you very much.

I do not believe any of that garbage. And if you do let me ask you...

HOW MANY KWU STUDENTS WERE ALLOWED TO TESTIFY IN THEIR OWN DEFENSE????

"I have no knowledge about what this "self-reporting" was about."

Of course you have no knowledge, you fell for a glaringly obvious scam!  Anyway;

Kennedy Western provided the data directly for their diploma mill hearing on their life experience giveaways, you should read it instead of making clueless comments.  This section is on Pages 39 and 40.  
 

"We were told that every student in the Master's program is awarded between 33 and 60 percent credit toward a degree for their experience. In fact, documents produced by Kennedy-Western indicated that nearly half of all
students in the Master's programs have received more than 55 percent credit for their experience"

Source:  Kennedy Western

Senate Hearing 08-553 BOGUS DEGREES AND UNMET EXPECTATIONS: ARE TAXPAYER DOLLARS SUBSIDIZING DIPLOMA MILLS?

KW self-reported most of the damaging info themselves.  KW never even bothered to argue the findings made by the Diploma Mill investigation of them, so I don't know why anyone else would.

You neglected to mention that this bogus "hearing" was a sham.

Tell me (and I will ask this for the 1000th time...)
How many students (and I do not mean some stoolie hired by the government who was paid to tell lies) were allowed to testify and give their side of the story?

Answer? ZERO!!!

"Many of the participants are not questioning the validity of WNU or KWU or the quality of their education. "

Agreed, it has been universally known as a sham for quite some time as it was booted from Hawaii to Utah to California to Wyoming to the diploma mill graveyard.  

Being featured during the Senate diploma mill hearing, giving away 33% to 50% of graduate "degrees", and selling faux-PhD's for a fee only hastened the inevitable demise.

The suit is against the administrators of the universtiy.

Many of the participants are not questioning the validity of WNU or KWU or the quality of their education. Rather they are seeking to have the former owners and administrators fulfill their obligations.

That "hearing" in which a few self serving politicians sought to build their own careers at the expense of students at KWU and other universities was nothing less than a witch hunt. There were two so-called witnesses. One of which made a libelous claim that she earned 40% of her testing credits in 16 hours (something no other former student could verify) and the other was a disgruntled ex employee who made totally irrelevant statements regarding the recruiting methonds (which were virtually the same as other DL programs including the accredited "University" of Phoenix).

And if you are still unconvinced that this was whole dog-and-pony show was bogus, than let me ask you, just how many former students were allowed to give THEIR side of the story?

Answer: ZERO!

Dear sir , ma'am 
I was studying @ your unerversity safety Engneering / 'and I reached the level of finishing my degree , only the thesis to be graduated , unfortionatly I was little late and I was not able to hear anything from you regarding my status . I was thinking that somthing not normal , even no phone was responding , I don't know why you did that ,, I want to finish my degree ASAP as BS in safety Engneering as u promissed me ,, I did pay alot of money already to u .. Please help .. Thanks my new phon# 207 5928001 & this is my email still the same u have it in records.

I am guessing you are not an actual graduate of KWU and trying to forward an agenda. I did graduate from KWU after transferring in with a Bachelors degree. And it took two years of extremely hard work to EARN my KWU degree. And I most certainly display my diploma at work. So stop referring to this supposed degree you have as a "fake" degree. Many of us consider this insulting.

I received in 2005 a PhD. from Kennedy-Western and then I got a job at a small university in FL. They never checked my credentials and I now get paid a good salary for my fake PhD. and have for 4 years under my belt. I am now in the Pasco Community School Corp. and since I had this PhD. and had been at a university they never researched my background. Anyone can do the same thing. Go for the small universities and then work your through the system and still keep getting that better pay and recoup your money that you spent for this fake degree that took me 10 months to get. Just don't hang your diploma up in your office with Kennedy-western on it. I have all of my other college degrees and so I am qualified for my job. I just get better pay because of the PhD. So am I wrong or just taking advantage of the system? 

Indeed, the current model for higher education does need to change.  Nothing wrong with thinking outside the box!

Having students form part of the admin team sounds great idea too.

I'm eager to hear the results of the law suit.  Perhaps it will be a catalyst to spark change.

Keep writing!

For this reason I refuse to defend the administration of this school. Though I do support the school as a whole, if that makes any sense. 

But I, like yourself will defend the students. And I believe truely that we did work hard for what we earned and deserve a lot more than what we got.

You know, the largest University of its time was the University of Paris, or the Sorbonne. It was actually organized and run by students rather than a faculty. Though it was chartered by the King of France in 1257, students actually were the authority. If students, by democratic vote would not want an instructor to teach, they would bar access to the teacher. Even today, students at the University of Paris will decide on school policy.

So what is my point here? Its simple, Universities and Colleges are not necessarily just the administration but are composed of students, faculty and administration together. Maybe I am a dreamer but I think it would be nice to see institutions of tertiary return to their former selves. Maybe there can be a Distance Learning institution comprised of actual individual students who have the authority of appointing faculty, settling disputes and running the daily operations. But then, I guess it would never fly. The powers that be are too strong to let that happen.

I thank you for your time.

Ok to all of that. You seem to be a decent person so I will assume good faith here.

But my argument would not really be towards you per se.

But rather I did see numerous statements made, I would guess by others who seem to implicate that students who earned degrees (yes I said "earned") were somehow dishonest or as one person stated, are "Bozos."

There is one idiot who keeps popping up with the username "LOL" who is particularly guilty of this. And if this offends anyone than I am sorry I offended any idiots out there. Idiot, btw is an obsolete term for people of limited intelligence or as the dictionary defines:  lowest order in a former classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old. Such people are not responsible for their own condition so I will just say that this person is ignorant and not a true idiot.

And, as one poster said previously, the use of words like "Nazi" to describe those of us who take opposing views is really dumb.

I personally dislike seeing people use words like "University", "Students" or "degree" in quotes. But thats just me. I guess if people want to say stuff thats their right. I am a bit high strung I guess.

I still believe that the closure of the University was wrong and did harm to a lot of people. And I truely believe that the University and its graduates never got a fair hearing. Its ironic that this lawsuit is really pitting these two groups against eachother when they should be fighting those who shut down the school in the first place.

I will agree that the principals of Warren National and Kennedy-Western are really being asses because they refuse to acknowledge the requests of former students and will not provide transcripts or duplications of documents such as diplomas or descriptions of class work. And this is just wrong and it does not help their cause at all.

(To be continued)

There IS proof of dishonesty on the part of the owners of wn"u" and this will come out in the ongoing law suit.

For example, plaintiffs have in their possession documents from that outfit where they were told that wn"u" was accredited which was a lie.

Obviously I hurt your feelings by using the term "bonehead" and for that I'm sorry.

You must realize however, that that was in response to your statement: " ... all higher education is a scam ... "

That statement is so extremely foolish that it deserved a sharp rebuke and I delivered it.

One more thing:  Don't try to draw me into defending the accreditation cartels.  That is a different matter entirely.  My fight is against the owners of that now defunct outfit.

Also, don't falsely accuse me of harming students.  I know they don't like people who are against the "school" from which they obtained their "degree" and some are even offended by my placing the word "degree" in quotations.

That's too bad but the principals of that outfit (and NOT the students) must be held accountable for their fraudulent actions.

Let's try to keep a cool head in these discussions ok?
Trading insults is certainly not helpful.

In any court of law the burden of proof is with those making the accusation.

What proof can you offer that Kennedy-Western is dishonest?

It was licensed in the State of Wyoming.
The only legal evidence that I saw against this institution was a politically motivated Senate Hearing which was held to determine whether federal money should be used to pay for Degrees from KWU and other accredited schools.
This hearing featured two witnesses, one a disgruntled ex -employee who made several totally irrelevant statements concerning the recruiting methods used by the University (which are really not different from a number of addredited schools, such as University of Phoenix which was also implicated in similar hard-sell recruiting.)
The other witness posed as a student and claimed to have passed 40% of her credit in 16 hours. A claim which no other student had ever verified. This woman did not, if fact complete a final project, which is required by all students or complete her degree.

I would add that neither of these two individuals were cross-examined. Also no friendly withesses were allowed to testify on behalf of the University, its Students or its graduates. Not exactly fair if you ask me.

2 You indeed are a bully. Using terms of abuse such as "bonehead" makes you one. This is not the sort of behavior tolerated in any court of law or any respected forum of debate. It does nothing to enhance your cerdibility as a debater and only serves to weaken your argument.

So, the constitution doesn't allow people to expose dishonest businesses?

Tell me, bonehead, where's that part written?

You think I'm a "bully"?  Wow.  Never heard that one before.

Have a nice day.

I got some sad news for you.

This US Constitution thing is here to stay.
Some of us are not scared by bullies like you.

Ah - That's Clever, not cleaver, bonehead.

"All higher education is a scam" - ?

Man, you are so far out to lunch you don't deserve a rebuttal.

Clearly higher education is out of the question for you.

You need some very basic elemental education first.

All higher education is a scam. If you think that the accreditation mafia are out to protect your interests than it is you who needs to wake up.

Credentials are important to prospective employers.  The problem we are facing has to do with applicants falsifying their credentials and displacing honest, hard working people when competing for jobs.  

The initial resume sort is fast and is based on the face value of the resume.  Dig in a bit and we find that many fraudulent credentials are slipping through and jobs that should have gone to the qualified end up going to fraud.

The problem seems to be growing.

online.wsj.com/article/SB122671047127630135.html

I am proposing that honest credential holding people do something about it and companies stop allowing the garbage to slip through the cracks.

Check out cvpsite.com and see how you can impact the problem.  By registering you are letting employers know you hold the credentials you claim and forcing everyone else to buck up.

Many think this is not a big deal but they need to take a look at:

articles.cnn.com/2007-04-
27/world/mit.dean_1_mit-community-marilee-jones-mit-dean?_s=PM:WORLD

cbsnews.com/8301-500803_162-5283353-500803.html

nbc13.com/news/2009/jul/07/video_resume_fraud-ar-412132/

mdsp.org/media/press_release_details.asp?identifier=399

Do something about it.  Get your credentials verified and you can at least get your fair shot at the job you're after.

Credential Verified Professional - CV Professional is free to employers and closts almost nothing to do for yourself.

So, because someone goes after an outfit that ripped off thousands of people they are assaulting freedom?

It would be WRONG to remain silent.  YOU need to wake up!

For years we tried to warn you, the assult on Kennedy-Western University and then Warren National University would be just the beginning. The control freaks of the Accreditation Mafia are now going further and targetting any and all for profit Universities. University of Phoenix, DeVry, ITT Technical Institute and so on are now being targeted!

So those who come here, like the individul who posted before me are either, 
1 part of the elitist cartel who are out to crush freedom in all forms, or 
2 to naive to know that they are being used.

If you are in the second category, than PLEASE WAKE UP!

See redstate.com/brian_d/2010/09/25/for-profit-education-under-assault/

Somehow the words of Martin Niemoller come to mind here:

First they came for the S o c i a l i s t s, and I did not speak out -- 
Because I was not a S o c i a l i s t.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out -- 
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out -- 
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me

Those who are telling the truth about kw"u" are not haters.

That accusation sounds like the same garbage spoken by some about the Tea Party movement.

Those who expose falsehood usually get unfairly attacked and are not surprised when it happens either.

By the way, that outfit is not only not legitimate it's out of existence.
Yep, they reaped what they were sowing - failure.

Maybe you did not claim to pass your courses in a matter of hours. But we have some liar who got up in front of congress and said under oath that she passed 40% of her courses in 16 hours, a claim that no one else could substantiate.

And all the haters out there are using this bogus claim to bolster their suspicion that Kennedy-Western is not a legitimate University. 

If it were up to me I would have this woman sent to prison for purgery.

So you claim to be someone from the "Inside?"

Well I will take your word on faith. That is all we can do here.

But really, about this Featherly character, he is all smoke and mirrors.

Did you read his latest diatribe? My daughter could do a better job on this!

This guy is running around accusing WNU/KWU as being Nazis! Its really pathetic when you think about it.

This is not seriousl journalism. When I was in college I took oral arguments and that was the first thing we learned, if you start using Ad Hominem arguments than you already lost the debate.

Yes you are I are both anonymous. And I myeself am losing respect for the former owners of WNU and KWU, espcecially since they are ignoring their former students' request for transcripts. Maybe you are right about them being low lifes. And I will not defend these people. Certainly not until they live up to their end of the bargin and deliver what they promised to.

But for me, this argument is now and always will be about the Students. They are the ones who paid out of their own pocket and worked hard to earn their degrees. And to say that they did not accomplish something that they should be proud of is an insult.

I will you well.

I never claimed to be able to complete courses in just a few hours - Don't put words on my postings.

For reasons that you wouldn't understand I must remain anonymous and will not divulge the courses of study that I was enrolled in but let me say that I do have a lot of knowledge about wn"u" - plenty enough to know that although some students did work hard at their studies their defense of that outfit just doesn't hold water.  They can rightfully defend their own accomplishments (if indeed they really were substantial) but wn"u"s shenanigans deserve to be exposed and justice served.

Truly, my "suspician" comment does apply to you very much.

Also, a comment about the Cheyenne Herald:  Although some people dislike Mr. Featherly I can tell you that most of his writings about the "degree sellers" issue are true and he has done well to expose a lot of deceiptfulness by those who have clearly enriched themselves unjustly.

Tell me, if in fact you really were a student at Kennedy-Western, than how many classes did you pass? What program were you in?

Can you really tell me in good faith that you were able to complete any one of your classes in a matter of hours like some person claimed to in front of the US Congress?

What you say about suspicion sounds like it applies to you.

Majoring on the minors and minoring on the majors eh?

Obviously (or it should have been obvious) that the comment pointed to the fact that it wasn't a "school" that one "goes to".  There never was any place to travel to except your own computer and there never were any teachers (other than paid assistants that were seldom there when you needed help) either so the statement that there never was anything to "attend" was correct.

So ... to use the term "attend" incorrectly as you did, let me state again that I DID "attend" wn"u" and like many others have been falsely accused of never "attending" that outfit.

  You (Is that you Chey Enne?) seem to think that anyone who disagrees with you is a liar.  Yep, suspicion haunts the guilty mind.

Same comment from the Warren National University board I see.

Hmmm... maybe the admins here should combind the boards.

Oh well...

I will state the same thing I said there....


I state that it is important to determine if you attended this school because it seems that even those suing the school know that this was a REAL school and people did attend it. Your ignorance of the facts shows to me that you never attended this school.

And I would add that you should do a google search on "distance education." You see it works like this. You can attend school simply by logging into a computer or, as was done in the days of old, getting a correspondence through the mail. This is how Warren National did it and this is how University of Phoenix, DeVry, ITT and others continue to do this. In other words you do not have to go to a brick-and-mortor school any more.

The former students are suing the school's administrators for a number of reasons. Its not so much that the school was illegimate, but rather its because of the way that they operated. Mostly, people are pissed because when the school was folded, many did not get what they paid for and could not transfer credits elsewhere. Right now we also see many who cannot get transcripts. I do not know if this is due to legal reasons or whatever. But for those of us who attended... thats right ATTENDED Warren National University and Kennedy-Western University, few of us will deny that our education is real.

"You never attended Kennedy-Western so you statements are meaningless."

I attended.  It was easy.  It was a scam. I have huge student loans for a worthless degree.

Funny how anyone who criticizes wn"u" is accused of "never attending" it (as if there ever was something to "attend").

For those of you who continue to defend that defunct outfit be it known that there are THOUSANDS of former customers who are rightfully VERY p*ssed off at having their money wasted.

Sure they may have learned a a lot by their own efforts but what a shame to not have a real degree and to not be able to have any pride about their "school".

You are lying. 

You never attended Kennedy-Western so you statements are meaningless.

Why don't you admit it. You never did anything meaningful in you pathetic life so you came here to talk trash about people who actually accomplished something.

I did some reasearch on this.

Lots of people want to be able to get transcripts from WNU or KWU. In fact its a pretty hot discussion elswhere.

Well if you need to get your papers than you can TRY to get hold of Bob Patterson. Now Mr Patterson's LinkedIN Page is set to private and the only way to got hold of him is through his attorney, Gary Scott. Call Mr Scott at (307) 632-0541 and ask him nicely. Maybe if enought of us put some pressure on Mr Patterson he will find a way to get make our transcripts available.

Incidently, some of us have been sticking up for our school and not trash talking it but what are we getting in return? Its really hard to defend a school when they are not trying to help us out.

There is no way a KW"u" "grad" can prove they did anything substantial to earn their "degree", when all the evidence points in the exact opposite direction.

Rationalization will never end though.

Allow me to respectfully disagree.

You are entitled to your opinions but all I ever did was tell the truth.

I am a graduate of Kennedy-Western University. I believe that I was enriched by the experience.

You know, the word "diploma" implies that one is a diplomat of an institution. And I can say with great pride that I am a graduate with a Bachelor's degree from this school. 

And I take it as an personal offense when I hear anyone speak ill of my school or its programs.

You can freely say that the Administrators may have used deception to lure in students. But this happens accross the board. University of Phoenix also came under fire for similar tactics. I suspect a lot of for-profit colleges have had similar complaints.

But if you tell me that I did not work hard to earn my degree than and that it is not meaningful to me in my life that you are badly mistaken.

And yes, the "investigation" was not legitimate. It may have been had good intentions but it disintegrated into nothing more than a political show trial. And if you do not believe me (and I will say this for the 100th time) than PLEASE tell me why NOT ONE SINGLE STUDENT, FACULTY MEMBER OR REPRESENTATIVE or Kennedy-Western was allowed to testify and refute the charges leveled against the University and its students.

I repeat... NOT ONE.

I am not distorting the truth. You are. And unless you can answer this question I will continue saying so.

LOL2, you are WAY off base.  Let me explain:

1.  They were EVICTED many times.  That is not what happens to legitimate businesses.
2.  Wyoming was more than just liberal.  They completely missed the boat by permitting that outfit to operate before checking out their very negative history.
3.  Its a mistake to completely dismiss that senate investigation.  That happened for legitimate reasons.
4.  You're completely wrong on this one.  There was no way they could meet the reasonable accreditation requirements so they abandoned their customers and ran away.
5.  You're even more wrong on this point.  Students are seeking recovery of their losses since wn"u" clearly misrepresented the value of their "service" and "degrees".

The fact is, YOU are distorting the truths in this matter.

"1. Was state hopping after being evicted from various states,"
I am not aware of this but its not uncommon in todays corporate culture. Many legitimate businesses relocate many times.

"2. Finally settled in regulation-free Wyoming"
There were regulations in Wyoming. It just happened to have been located in a more liberal state than others.

To their credit, the WNU administration did not locate again to Mississippi or Singapore like other Non-Traditional colleges did.

"3. Was investigated by the Senate as a diploma mill"
You neglected to add that that this phoney "investigation." led by US Senator Joe Lieberman (who was later kicked out of the Democratic Party) did not allow anyone to testify on behalf of the University or its students. It was just two liars, one a government employee who made unsubstantiated claims which could not be badked up by anyone. The other was a disgruntled former employ who make specious arguments which had nothing to do with the legitimacy of KWU nor its programs. 

"4. Was run out of business as a diploma mill"
Not exactly, the Administrators had, for unknown reasons voluntarily withdrew their bid for accreditation. Then they voluntarily dissolved their University. It was dissapointing to most of us, yes but I believe it was for political or legal reasons.

"5. Now being sued by former students for the same..."
Not true. The students who are suing the University founders and administrators are not all doing so for reasons listed above. The lawsuits deal mostly with claims made to prospective students by recruiters. Some of these cases may actually have merit. But I suspect that many of the plaintiffs are motivated by money. After all, who wouldn't want a free education.


"Which truth is being distorted?"
In my opinion the truth is obvious.

Say Elena, although I agree with you (and the previous poster) that K-W"u" was a sophisticated scam, you MUST get a better command of the english language before attempting any kind of post-secondary education.  Please.

Kennedy University stole my money from Sallie Mae saying I was still student. I cancell the classes 2 months later becouse I did not like the system.  I took responsability of the 1st payment done to the this thief institution but there were receiving the the other 2 checks without telling Sallie Mae about I was not longer student.  Be careful with this on line Universities and be take names and dates with Loan companies in order to stop payments.  I was very stupid to believe in these people. I am very sad that they used education in order to still from you.

"But what I see here is clearly a series of distortions of the truth."

So the facts are that Kw "u"...

1.  Was state hopping after being evicted from various states,
2.  Finally settled in regulation-free Wyoming
3.  Was investigated by the Senate as a diploma mill
4.  Was run out of business as a diploma mill
5.  Now being sued by former students for the same...

Which truth is being distorted?

Out of curiosity, how much are your bosses at "university" of Phoenix paying you?

What a "school".  State-hopping for years, investigated by the Senate during a diploma mill hearing, ran out of business for failing to meet any quality standards, sued in a class action diploma mill suit by former students. 

Quite impressive.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."

I myself refuse to be a slave.

Take that you accreditation mafia elitists!

Re: More Thoughts For Shy Ann

I do not understand what you mean by "suspicion haunts the guilty mind" but I believe you are totally wrong.

As for whistle blowers, I would turn the tables and ask just who is watching these watchers?

Featherly is liar and a bully who engages in child like rants. He is probibly the same sort of person who beat up yonger kids for their lunch money and now he is all grown up and practicing the same kind of meanness on others.

Now I do believe in checks and ballances when they are needed.

But what I see here is clearly a series of distortions of the truth by individuals who are set to destroy the reputations of anyone connected with Warren National University, Kennedy-Western University, including any and all former students of this former institution.

I would add one final note, nobody I know who graduated from Warren National or Kennedy-Western ever said that their experience was not challanging or took time and effort to complete. Those who speak ill of the University are either people who enrolled but could not pass or people who never enrolled and have no idea what they are talking about.

If you wish to say to us that these liars and hypocrits who are slandering our school should have a right to do so than thats your right. But don't tell me that I have no right to tell the truth because I will not shut up.

The greatest advances in civilization were made by those who were told to shut up. And yes there were the David Featherlys of this world who sought to use the force of the law to silence them. Galileo, Copernicus and as far back as Socrates all stood before lessor minds and were forced to defend their ideals. I too stand before the closed minds of this world and speak the truth. I fear not punishment because I know that the truth will always succeed in the end.

Since you never attended this University and do not know what the hell you are talking about I think you should do everyone a favor and stay off this board.

Thank you.

I seriously doubt anyone is really putting this "university" on their resume.  LOL

Some former students of the defunct wn"u" have gotten the erroneous idea that they are hated by those who are exposing the dishonesty of certain organizations such as wn"u". That is very unfortunate. It appears to me that this wrong accusation of hatred comes from the "suspicion haunts the guilty mind" principle.

I have met many people who have wrong ideas but I certainly do not hate them.

And ... as far as setting legal limits on organizations or institutions whether medical, institutional, or commercial, are you suggesting that there be no legal requirements at all? - that we just let the market sort everything out?

Please, come and join the real world of intelligent checks and balances. Anarchy just won't cut it.

One more thing - Your angry tirade against Mr. Featherly says a lot more about you than it does about him.

Some people are whistleblowers by nature and I for one thank God for those in society who will not remain silent when wrongdoers continue to get away with enriching themselves through deceiptful means.

There is one thing I do hate and that is complacency.
I am amongst a large group of people (numbering in the tens of millions no doubt) who are never going away and will always be there to speak out against evil.

If you wish for us to just shut up and go away I'm sorry but you will be greatly disappointed.

Another question for all who come here to bash Kennedy-Western University/Warren National University:

Why are you here?

I will try to tone this down to a civil argument and just ask it. You and your friends in high places already succeeded in destroying our University so what else do you want from us?

Why can't you just accept the fact that some of us actually used our education to our advantage?

Why do you hate us?

You are wrong, Featherly is NOT a good man. He is a liar and bully.

In the United States, where I live and where this Featherly guy lives we have freedom of the press. And I am 100% in favor of freedom for everyone.

And while I consider David Featherly to be a miscreant who is more concerned with self-promotion than an honest persuit of the truth, I support his and anyone else's right to say what they want.

What is troubling to me is the fact that so many supposedly legitimant "experts" on education will quote this no good liar and use his opinions as evidence.

Now I want to mention something else, if you ever happen to read Featherly's column's you will find that they read more like childish rants on internet chat rooms than actual journalism. Featherly is a man who is quite probibly mentally ill and uses his paper as a vehicle to manifest his own delusions.

I personally do not care what this clown says or does in his own publication. His paranoia is his own business. If he wants to call us "basement dwellers" or any other abusive term, than he can go ahead and do so. All it does is nullify what little credibility he has. The sad thing is that there are actually many supposedly intellegent people who take this fool seriously.

End of discussion? NOT.

Featherly has simply taken up a just cause and is certainly no stranger to unjust criticism. I for one am thankful for people like him. " ... all that's needed for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing ... " (Edmund Burke)

As I said earlier, Featherly has been doing a good work of exposing many scams including diploma mills. Although wn"u" was not the worst of many, it WAS an outfit more like an online library and they were clearly guilty of unethical marketing tactics and unjust enrichment by selling a degree which in most cases is worthless if the holder tries to use it as an authentic credential.

I don't expect to see this discussion end sometime soon since there will always be some former wn"u" customers who will never admit that their degree is worthless even if the current law suit proves that they were deceived.

Re: Hi Shy

I see that we are both posting simultaneously on the KWU/WNU Articles. I think that onlinedegreereviews should combine the two boards.

Well as I said there:

It is not my purpose to shoot the messenger. But the Cheyenne Herald went well beyond simple journalism. What Featherly did in his paper was not merely giving facts or even voicing an opinion. He stated in several places that he was actively lobbying against the interests of former students. This is why he met representatives of Grand Canyon University in an effort to force them not to accept transcripts from former students.

While the satiracal post, which was deleted, may be a bit crude and tasteless, it is certainly no worse than some of the mean spirited jabs that David took against former students of WNU or KWU.

Every other news source I know, from the LA Times to the NY Times and even an opinion sheet such as the Spectator or the Nation allows dissenting opinions to be heard. But David Featherly would have nothing of the sort.

In a way, this is indicative of all academic elitists/fascists who like to bash WNU/KWU, its graduates and former students without truely understanding what they are talking about. They insist that their viewpoint is correct and refuse to hear anyone elses. It is not bad enough that they use their own media to try to destroy our school and its alumni, but they actually come to boards like this and push their agenda of intolerance.

And I will say this time and time again.. WNU and KWU before it was licensed by the state of Wyoming as a degree granting institution. It had a right to exist and grand degrees. It was a true University according to any definition.

(merriam-webster.com/dictionary/university) an institution of higher learning providing facilities for teaching and research and authorized to grant academic degrees; specifically : one made up of an undergraduate division which confers bachelor's degrees and a graduate division which comprises a graduate school and professional schools each of which may confer master's degrees and doctorates.

WNU/KWU didi have facilities for teaching and research. It granted degrrees. So it was in the true sense a University. End of discussion.

Mr. Featherly didn't focus solely on your former "school".

He has been doing a good work of exposing many scams including diploma mills.  Although wn"u" was not the worst of many, it WAS an outfit more like an online library and they were clearly guilty of unethical marketing tactics and unjust enrichment by selling a degree which in most cases is worthless if the holder tries to use it as an authentic credential.

In regards to the "Cheyenne Herald" I say to you: Don't shoot the messenger.

Correction: First sentence should read "Mr. Featherly."

Well "Wow"

My Featherly has launched a long standing campaign against our University with unsubstantiated accusations and ridiculed posters on this very board. When people send him responses and attempt to give the side of the students and graduates he refuses to print them and goes on child-like tirades. He uses terms of contempt (basement dweller, etc.). This “newspaper” he owns and publishes is really about as legitimate as a news source as any anonymous posting on this or any other board. I would say that if there was anyone who deserves to be called a hypocrite it would be him.

Now we, the graduates and former students of KWU or WNU do not own a paper. Unlike Mr. Featherly, we do not have experts who quote us and use our opinions as sources of information. We do not have friends in high places or anyone willing to listen to us. That is why I and others like me come here to defend our school. We have no place to allow our side of the story to be heard. So we come here.

Astonishing malice against Mr. Featherly.  Even more astonishing is the extreme hypocrisy by the writer who accuses Mr. Featherly of doing what he is doing.

The tree is known by its fruit, and in this case the fruit (the words of that writer) is clearly quite rotten.

Besides being the editor, publisher, cheif cook and bottle washer of the Cheyenne Herald, it seems like David Featherbrain, er Featherly cannot spell worth a dam. 

THE WORD IS "PEOPLE" not "PEOPEL!"

Its been postoned until December.

Lawsuits have a tendency to drag on, especially when a lot of money is involved.

I am no legal expert but I do know that if a corporation can prove insolvency then the plaintiffs may not be able to get their demands even if they win.

We will see.

I think that there many be many who have legitimate complaints against KWU or WNU but I suspect some may be looking for an easy buck.

Thanks for the update on a Connecticut senator and China, and whatever the other drivel is, but back to the topic at hand.

Any updates on the Kennedy Western University class-action diploma mill lawsuit?

"If China can shut down the internet than why cant we?"

prisonplanet.com/lieberman-china-can-shut-down-the-internet-why-cant-we.html

The #1 enemy of non-traditional education shows us his true colors.

And to think, he was almost the US vice-President.

"Worthless" is in the eyes of the beholder. And nobody can be convicted of having a degree from anywhere. Its just plane unconstitutional. Or at least it is in the United States of America.

You see, they may pass laws all they want but these laws are meaningless if they cannot be enforced. And if a law is unconstitutional it cannot be.

This is why when the gangsters in the State of Oregon attempted to force Kennedy-Western students not to put their university degrees on their resumes, they sued and got the state to shut up. 

And some of us are proud of our degrees and will not hide our accomplishments.

"And there is no liability associated with having a KWU degree."

Only in the many states where it is specifically illegal.  In the rest of the states, it is merely worthless.

Quite an astonishing degree of hatred and hypocrisy exhibited by the last two entries.

Plain fact:  "K-W" aka WN"u" was just a money-making scheme for a few clever unethical individuals.

Sure, some students studied hard but they DID end up with a worthless "degree".

It's that same kind of phoniness that produced the present corrupt gang now occupying Pennsylvania Avenue.

The truth WILL be exposed and again demonstrated that it was for the good that that outfit was shut down.

Thats right. Its not enough that these rougues and scoundrels launced their campaign of lies to close our college, but now they are trying to use fear to punsh honest and hard working students.

Here is some truth:
A degree from Kennedy-Western is only worthless if you want to keep quite about it.

Kennedy-Western was NEVER Bogus. It was a legitimate university operating legally in the state of Wyoming until a few self seeking politicians thought that they could make political capital by closing it. So they used the heavy handed force of the law, hired professional liars and got the thing shut.

But I for one will not be intimidated by any of this. I have known bullies all my life and I know how to stand up to them. So bullies beware... some of us are not that easily intimidated.

And there is no liability associated with having a KWU degree. And what business does a law enforcement agency have in knowing if you have a degree from here? Its all a bunch of crap that some Nazi pigs are using to scare us. And I am not scared of this scum!

The liars and haters keep comming. Not only did they shut down the University but they want us to keep quite about it.

HEY LOL AND INEVITABILIY

GO TAKE YOUR LIES AND HATE SOMEWHERE ELSE. WE DO NOT WANT YOU HERE!

That's good advice to keep your wn"u" "degree" under wraps.

That piece of paper is less than worthless.  It's a potentially dangerous liability, even for those good people who worked their butts of in studying hard to earn the thing.

"Check out the Facebook Group. Be a member!"

Nobody is retarded enough to link their real name to a bogus university!

Once you expose yourself, what is stopping a law enforcement agency or newspaper from investigating?

Please keep your "degree" under wraps.

facebook.com/group.php?gid=125398000824934&ref=mf

Join the group and network with fellow students.

"Tell me, when you applied to KWU you really thought it would be easy, right?"

They waived over 50% of my MBA and it made me suspicious for good reason.

"KWU Students earned their degrees and did not buy them."

Well, around 50% of that is true!

Admit it, you just couldn't cut it. Tell me, when you applied to KWU you really thought it would be easy, right? But then you found out it took actual work.

Well I am sorry to break it to you but some of us actually did work and finish our degrees. I wish I could say something to make you feel better but some lessons you need to learn the hard way. One of them is no one gives you anything for free.

KWU Students earned their degrees and did not buy them. Too bad for you. Maybe you can find a real diploma mill that you can fork over some money but this was not one. Maybe you can join that lawsuit and get your money back or something.

YOU are lying and as you said it must stop so please do stop immediately!

I WAS a student of that outfit and you have lied and falsely accused me by stating otherwise.

You have also stated that it was always a fight between elitists and that outfit which is another lie.  Many honest students (NOT elitists) began exposing wn"u"s deception a long time ago and finally the inevitable law suit is proceeding.

The fact that some students feel impuned by comments which expose K-W's shady history is unfortunate but you can't expect everyone to remain silent about what they know just because it might embarras some students.  Sure they may have studied hard and accomplished some useful learning but that doesn't change the facts about wn"u"s dark history.

By accusing wn"u"s critics of falsehood you have exposed your own hypocrisy.  Please, just shut up and go away, ok?

You need to understand the difference between truth and opinion.

Kennedy-Western University (later called Warren National University) was a for profit business which provided a service of providing education. Many students profited from their education and some did not. Maybe you dislike how this school did business. I cannot say for sure that their recruiting methods were all that up and up.

The real problem I have with elitists who like to trash the honor and reputation of graduates of WNU or KWU is that they are really punishing the actual victims here which is to say the students and graduates. Nobody seems to give a dam about us. And that is why I say that this whole campaign of lies must stop.

And trust me, it is all based on lies. It was always a fight between the elitists of the accreditation mafia and the University administration. And we the students were the ones who suffered.

Since you never attended WNU or KWU I do not expect you would understand this. But those of us who did need to band together and defend ourselves from the lies. That is why I am here. Its all about telling the truth. We do not have friends in high places. We do not have lobbyists or friends in congress or in the press or anywhere else. We only have our own voices. That is why we come here. We never had a chance to testify before congress but HERE is our docket. Here, on this board we can tell the truth.

As I said on numerous occasions before, I am NOT defending the accreditation cartel.  However, it is quite clear that wn"u" abused the freedom they had and used a lot of people for their program of unjust enrichment and that is NOT a lie - it's the truth.

cato.org/

We saw it all. A non-traditional private University destroyed by political interests. The elitists got their wish and academic freedom was laid in the grave.

And if that is not bad enough, they are still at it, spreading their lies, slandering us and stopping at nothing to ruin our careers and reputations.

And what is worse? It will not stop here. No no! For those of us who live in the United States and any other free nation they will continue their campaign of lies and slander.

We know who are enemies are: The accredidation mafia, their gangster elitists, the Dons of accredited universities who want to destroy anything that is not what they say is true "education," their allies in the press, the halls of congress and even private industry. 

So who is on our side?

The Cato Institute, thats who. 

Go to cato.org/ and sign up for their FREE newsletter. Better yet click the support button.

This group is really dedicated to the cause of Freedom!

I know this because I investigated all groups and these guys really put their money where their mouth is.

So people who tell lies like you are to inherit bondage?

Too bad for you!

Yes, it IS very unfortunate that more laws and rules that whittle away at our freedoms are being made every day.

It's an inevitable result of evil behavior on the part of citizens of this constitutional republic called the USA.

WN"u"s ripoff of thousands of students is just one on many gazillions of examples.

Freedom only works for the righteous.  The unrighteous will inevitably eventually inherit only bondage.

Besides forcing people into compliance with what you believe higher educations should be, what other parts of the United States Constitution would you like to see revoked? Lets see, you already restricted our freedom of speech by telling us we cannot list KWU or WNU on our resumes. So what is next? Freedom of the press perhaps? How about Habeas Corpus?

Oh hell, who needs the goddam constitution anyway. We can build a more efficient super state. Lets build those camps for those who refuse to get in line.

Seig Heil!

An "Accredited" Degree in 3 Hours May 25, 2010 at 2:01 a.m.

Google "Charter Oak State College."

Of course the accreditation mafia does not care about this fraud. They would rather harass graduates of WNU and other places where students actually earn their credits.

"Getting into KWU (and not WNU since the university did not exist under that name at that time)"

I do agree that it's confusing to try and keep track of their name and location changes.  From now on, let's just call it

Warren National "university", formerly known as Kennedy Western "university", closed by failure to meet quality standards, of Wyoming, formerly of California, formerly of Hawaii, formerly of Idaho, formerly of California.

or how about

WNu/KWu - CalHawIdaCalWyo

A great many regionally accredited institutions will accept anyone as well.

Getting into KWU (and not WNU since the university did not exist under that name at that time) may be easy but getting out is not.

Traitor Joe evidently was too stupid to know this.

Favorite Quote May 18, 2010 at 7:11 p.m.

"As Senator Lieberman said, the only basis that he could think of where someone would be turned down is if the check bounced".

The Warren National Unviersity Chief Academic Officer was also quoted as saying

"The University (Warren National) would admit anybody", "if you could write the check, you could come to school", and WNU admitted people "who were truly not university quality candidates".

This is NOT Cheyenne's "hometown paper." It is just some piece of trash written by some bigot with a king size chip on his shoulder. The entire operation is the work of one man. And if you read any of that trash you will quickly note that this malcontent has some kind of mental illness. Note that in no place in this paper does he allow opposite opinions. In fact the only time he quotes anyone who disagree with him he will use colorful terms like "Basement Dweller." Makes me wonder, perhaps this person lives in his own parents basement.

He did get his 15 minutes of fame by trashing non-traditional colleges and universities (calling them Diploma Mills.) 

Guess his 15 minutes of fame are about up.

liebermanmustgo.com/
youtube.com/watch?v=AfJunZu22VU

The truth on America's slimiest Senator!

Joe Lieberman is a joke. Does anyone believe a word that old fool says? I will wager that he does not get elected to another term.

Favorite Quote May 18, 2010 at 7:11 p.m.

"As Senator Lieberman said, the only basis that he could think of where someone would be turned down is if the check bounced".

Senator Joe Lieberman and Senator Collins discussing the admissions standards of Kennedy Western University during Senate Hearing 108-553 titled "Bogus Degrees and Unmet Expectations: Are Taxpayer Dollars Subsidizing Diploma Mills? Page 55.

It will be an interesting race to see how many clueless people will link their real name to KW"u", versus sister college Rochville University

"KWU/WNU Facebook page May 11, 2010 at 4:29 a.m.

facebook.com/pages/Kennedy-Western-UniversityWarren-National-University-Alumni/117171474969710

facebook.com/pages/Rochville-University/110029689026812?v=stream&ref=ts#!"

"An employee gave testimony, just search the document for "boiler room" "cold-call" or "telemarkting to unqualified individuals". This was all later corroborated by the Kennedy Western University Chief Academic Officer in an interview, then by a class action lawsuit."

Not buying it, sorry....

Everything you posted was garbage. But lets just focus on one of these lies...

Some goofball who probibly got fired for smoking dope on the job decides to get even and tells lies. Even if this is true it has nothing to do with the quality of education. Nothing whatsovever! A lot of schools recruit in similar fashion. Are you aware that University of Pheonix does the same thing? In fact the U of P was investigated several times for such marketing. 

This Liutenant whatever-she-calls-herself gets before congress and tells a bunch of lies. Well that does not matter. Those of us who actually earned our degrees knows its garbage. She never earned a KWU Degree so I do not believe a word she says.

The truth is that the University was closed due to political reasons. And its the students and graduates who suffered.

1 "The hearing before congress was not intended to cite Kennedy-Western as being illegitimate or otherwise."

Regardless of the intent, that was the title of the hearing and the result.  

"2 It is noteworthy that no representative of the University was allowed to testify before congress."

An employee gave testimony, just search the document for "boiler room" "cold-call" or "telemarkting to unqualified individuals".  This was all later corroborated by the Kennedy Western University Chief Academic Officer in an interview, then by a class action lawsuit.

3 "Lt. Cmdr Gelzer did not complete this degree program, but by her own admission completed only 40% of her classwork."

40% of a masters degree in 16 hours of study having no prior background = a masters in 40 hours of study, or a couple of weeks.  Not a red flag to you?

4 "This individual only enrolled in one academic program. It is possible that this program was chosen deliberately because of its lack of difficulty."

A Masters Degree in Environmental Engineering was selected for ease?  I would have gone with Underwater basketweaving or Credits for Football players.

5 "This hearing occured in 2004. If what Gelzer stated is correct, than it is possible that significant changes were made after words."

Yes, this dump was shut down, good riddance.

By any chance, do you work for BP? Maybe they can use a guy like you to fix the oil wreck in the Gulf. Get about a thousand golf balls and spare tires and Voila! Oil wreck fixed!

It's amazing how some people will defend that which is so obviously wrong even when the truth is staring them right in the face.  The latest (May 5 / 10) is another example.

My comments in the other wn"u" forum are relevant here and bear repeating so here they are:

Although I am offended when someone falsely accuses me of lying I will remain civil in my remarks as I respond to certain comments made by those who obviously are judgemental and uninformed regarding the truth.

I was a student but abandoned ship after discovering the truth about that outfit as anyone with any shred of integrity would do. I wouldn't dare present such a "degree" to anyone as legitimate credentials. One could even get into serious legal trouble from doing such a thing.

Also, one should never use the term "attended" when referring to their involvement with wn"u" since there never were teachers or classes or anything that would legitimately have allowed them to be called a "school".

The reason why any former student would defend wn"u" is obvious. It's because of their inability to admit that, other than the fact that some learning was accomplished through their efforts (which of course does have some value), their investment of time and money was a waste and it would be too serious of an embarrassment for some people to be able to admit that they made such an error in judgement.

It was hard for me to admit that I made an error in signing up with "Kennedy-Western" but when confronted with the truth I had to make the very difficult decision to quit.

Yes, there are many people in this country who lack integrity. If that wasn't the case we wouldn't have the corrupt government that we have in the White House now.
That's an entirely different subject I know but it involves the same issue of people being uninformed and lacking the integrity which would enable them to discern the difference between good and evil.

(Continued)
Now when we analyze Gelzer's testimony it could be noted that only 40% of the classwork was completed. But it still is rather odd that this could be completed in such a short number of hours. For this I can honestly say I do not know if this is possible.

I do know from discussions with graduates of Warren's programs that it is unlikely if not impossible that as many as four classes can be passed in so short time. This can leave several possiblilities fo how this was done.

First being that Gelzer lied. While I am inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt, I do acknowledge this as a possibility. Remember that tertiary education is big business, especially in the United States where many schools are privately funded. Traditional colleges and universities stand to lose a lot of money. And the pressures on finding against non-traditional institutions like Kennedy-Western were great. This would also explain why no officials, students or graduates of this school who were potentially supportive of it were allowed to testify.

The second possibility is that Gelzer was telling the truth but hiding other truths which could potentially harm her case. One of these being that the courses she chose may have been selected due to lack of difficulty. I am sure anyone who went to any traditional college knows of easy "pud" classes. I do recall my own educational experiences at such a school and getting significant college credit simply for showing up to some classes. This could explain why she states that she found answers for an examination simply by looking through the index of a text book.

Now I also understand another possibility which is that Gelzer may have found the answers for the test by soliciting them from other students.

And yet another possibility be due to the fact that all programs allow students to retake 40% of their credits. This is to say if you have ten classes required than you can retake 4. I doubt, however that the total number of hours to do this would be 16. I do not know anyone who graduated the program who would tell me otherwise.

That much said, I think that we can take this testimony with a grain of salt.

And if there are any graduates (I do not mean people who signed up for one or two classes and quit) who can dispute this with me than please do so. But before doing so, please do not be offended if I ask you to show me your diploma.


BTW:
I do not know anyone who took a course in Hazardous Waste Management at KWU, WNU or anywhere else. I do know know any students at KWU or WNU who took this course. But I do know for a fact that this course was no longer offered at the time that Kennedy-Western became Warren National. If I were to cross-examine this witness, I would give her some other courses for her to complete and see how long it would take. I would guarantee that the courses I would find for her could not be completed in sixteen hours.

Appendix:
Can Lt. Cmdr Claudia Gelzer's testimony be believed?

When discussing the legitimacy of Kennedy-Western University, or Warren National University as it was later renamed, the subject usually is brought up about the congressional hearing. While the evidence may appear to be strong in weighing against the University a few facts need be mentioned:

1 The hearing before congress was not intended to cite Kennedy-Western as being illegitimate or otherwise. Rather it was to determine if Federal money could be used to fund educational pursuits of government workers. This would not be asimilar to any corporat board members determining how corporate money would be spent.

2 It is noteworthy that no representative of the University was allowed to testify before congress. Not one! No students or graduates gave testimony. For this reason the hearing could be considered biased.

3 Lt. Cmdr Gelzer did not complete this degree program, but by her own admission completed only 40% of her classwork. I will mention why this is significant in a short while later.

4 This individual only enrolled in one academic program. It is possible that this program was chosen deliberately because of its lack of difficulty.

5 This hearing occured in 2004. If what Gelzer stated is correct, than it is possible that significant changes were made after words. It is certainly true that no graduates of any programs after this incident reported any such problems with any programs at the University. It certainly was not the case when Kennedy-Western became a candidate for accreditation under the name of Warren National University.

The Environmental Engineering program for which Gelzer discussed was in fact no longer offered at the time WNU applied for accreditation.

Continued:

But to return to our professor, he had continued to blast different schools and individuals. That is until he bit off more than he could chew.

St Luke's Medical School, a school in Liberia has sued this individual and the university he represents for libel and slander. It seems that this was actually a legitimate school and the Accreditation Mafia bit off more than they could chew.

THE SOLUTION

I do not wish to say that true “Diploma Mills” can be allowed to prosper and flourish. There are actually a number of bogus degree granting schools which sell nice looking diplomas for money and nothing else. Some will even provide the buyer with phony transcripts and references.

But the zeal to suppress such institutions has led to a orgy of oppression. Today many honest and decent people enroll in legitimate schools which happen to not be accredited. They spend money, work very hard and sacrifice only to be hounded by overzealous officials and the previously mentioned accreditation Mafia.

But there is hope left. We can reverse this trend and fight those who seek to oppress the free thinkers and the non conformists.

Remember that all great ideas had their opponents. Louis Pasteur, Thomas Edison, Nicola Tesla and many others have had their fights. They called them insane until history vindicated them.

We, who champion non-traditional education must stand firm and fight our oppressors head on.

We can do it by enlisting the support of others. Remember there is strength in numbers. The elitists want us to die quietly but we will continue the fight.

We must challenge those who ridicule us or spread lies. We must write newspapers that spread lies. We must post in message boards and blogs. We must spread the word that the cause of Academic Freedom is as basic a right as the right to free speech and a free press.

We much challenge all oppressive laws. Remember that the right to list your school on a resume is your own right to free speech. Academic Freedom is as basic a right as the right to a free press, free speech and peaceful assembly.

I urge everyone to copy and post these words and distribute freely.

The human mind is a powerful weapon! Free your minds and let liberty flourish!




The only way for evil to flourish is for good men to say nothing. Wise words indeed!

Continued

While, on the surface this report was damaging, it must be said that no representative from the University was allowed to testify on the institution's behalf. It also needs to be mentioned that this investigation was only for the purpose of spending government funds and could in no way be considered an indictment on this University. Many former students, in various places stated it to be improbable if not impossible to earn that many credit hours in such little time.

In spite of this kangaroo court-like procedure, the University continued to offer degrees and thrived. But other problems were encountered. In the State of Oregon, the legislature passed a law forbidding any individual to put the name of an unaccredited institution on a resume. KWU challenged this law and the State backed down with a compromise deal which required individuals to cite that their school was unaccredited.

Finally, the State of Wyoming, bowing to political pressure forbade all unaccredited schools from operating in their state. Kennedy-Western, now using the name Warren National attempted to be accredited but lost their bid and folded.

For the academic elitists this was a victory of a sort. Many celebrated this school's demise. A local opinion sheet, a publication whose name I will not mention due to legal reasons, even stated that the principles of this school should face criminal prosecution. This is rather hypocritical considering that this said publication (edited, published and written by one individual by the way) was instrumental in closing this school.

Academic Elitism, we must understand is the problem here. This is mainly because traditional education sees anything new or innovative as a threat. This is why a cabal of elitists will target schools and even stalk graduates and attempt to destroy their careers.

Consider a professor at a major Big Ten School. Again I will not use this person's name. But this individual is a well known “expert” on what he describes as “Diploma Mills.”

Diploma Mills, in the strictest sense are phony colleges which charge money to print and send out phony degrees and diplomas. But to the Accreditation Mafia, this definition is expanded to include any school which does not meet their standards. Usually this means a college or university which is not accredited. Almost always it is a school which uses teaching methods and degree granted procedures which are different from the norms.

Academic Freedom Under Assault

A warning to lovers of Freedom and Liberty!

Those of us who live the United States as well as all other Democratic nations of this world must understand the necessity to safeguard our freedoms. We must recognize that with freedom comes immense responsibilities.

Those who oppose freedom do so for a variety of reasons. Some are out of greed. Those who have wealth and privilege seek to maintain it at all costs. Others fight against liberty out of misguided idealism. This paternalistic notion that “we know what is best” is present thought out society and is responsible for some of the worst acts of evil ever perpetrated.

The creators of Hitler's Reich, as well as Joe Stalin's henchmen were men who were often idealists. The USSR was a nation of idealists who believed that ordinary people were incapable of controlling their destinies.

This is why I created this manifesto. I want to warn everyone of what is being done to free thinking and freedom loving individuals.

This writing is warning to all who love freedom.

Be warned before you read these words. Many would like to see these words suppressed. They will stop at nothing to do so. As you read these words, it is certain that many others are doing so as well.


Jesus of Suburbia April 30, 2010 at 1:37 a.m.

Continued:

The Accreditation Mafia are out there. They are armed and ready.

This is a document which will be passed along in secret among a few. Hopefully it will lead to a revolution of a sort. Not a bloody revolution, mind you. We will not see another French Revolution, but rather a revolution of thinking people.

THE PROBLEM

Let us first identify the problem.

Academic Freedom is being opposed by many individuals. Many are elitists. They oppose any and all forms of innovation in academia. They fear innovation.

This is not new. In the era of Galileo there were like minded people. We know them as the inquisition.

And we see similar attacks today. We have institutes of higher learning being attacked.

Some schools are Distance Learning schools. Some are accredited and some are not.

In 2004 a US Government investigation was launched to target Distance Learning Programs. In front of the US Senate, a committee met led by Susan Collins, Republican Senator from Maine, and Democratic Senator Joseph Lieberman (who was later voted out of his party by voters in his own state.)
In this committee a Coast Guard Officer claimed to have earned 40% of her credits in an academic program in a matter of 16 hours. She did not elaborate on how this was done other than reading text books and taking tests. The School mentioned in this investigation was Kennedy-Western University, which was later renamed as Warren National University.

facebook.com/pages/Kennedy-Western-UniversityWarren-National-University-Alumni/117171474969710

For and by graduates and former students.

In case anyone is interested.

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"You are right in saying that its not the paper but the person who defines success"

Agreed, and if that person uses deception to gain employment...

You are right in saying that its not the paper but the person who defines success. But I believe you do not know what you are taking about. Kennedy-Western provided real education for many. You might not agree but I believe you are wrong.

Yep, a KW"u" degree is real.  Real paper, purchased with $$$ and some academic studying.  Too bad that "Real" doesn't equal "Value".  You can call it "real" all you want but it's worthless for credentials.  Like any successful person, it's not the paper, it's the person who defines success.

Your KWU degree is not fake. If you worked to earn it that it is real. Don't believe the lies.

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I have to admit, I signed up for online classes back in 2005 and finally graduated in 2009.  I used my fake degree to get a job and actually landed a job because I also have a 2 year Associates degree in IT.  So, here's what I been doing to land a great a career.  The idea is to land a small to medium size company and preferably one that doesn't require any form of security clearance. Using the Bachelor's degree from WNU in conjunction with my Associate's degree from my tech school works great.  If all you have is the 4 yr degree from WNU, well you're kinda screwed, so those of you that are in my position have no fear you can still land a great job w/ the right amount of experience, certifications in your field  and a crappy worthless degree from WNU. - IT Ninja

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I paid $7000.00 dolars to obtain a MBA from Kennedy Western University; due to my and my mothers' unexpected illnesses i was unable to start or complete my degree. Is their a way to demand my money back? vcloud@triad.rr.com

Word on the street is that the number of students suing warren national "university" just tripled

Yes, there is a joint action civil lawsuit in progress.  I don't know if it's too late for you to join but write to Ashlee Crenshaw at Rothgerber Johnson & Lyons.  Details:
acrenshaw@rothgerber.com and their website is rothgerber.com .  Also, for more info see cheyenneherald.com . Good Luck!

Is there a class action lawsuit taking place?  My father was accepted, chose courses he wanted to take, got the books, but then never actually took the classes.  Now, he has these tremendous predatory student loans to pay back that he has paid over 7k on and only 1.5k has come off the balance.  I need to find a way to have him "withdraw" and have the monies returned to the student loan company since they kept funds without being able to.  Additionally, he was never notified of the school closing!

True, but apparently, rationalizing the fraud is an option too.

Wow, the guy who calls himself "Hey Dooshbag" sure has exposed exposed himself by the use of such vitriol.

He (she? - unlikely!) is also obviously an experienced BS'r with his statement that he makes more money than most CEOs.

That's clearly one big crock of bovine excrement.

Fortunately, most readers (like this one) can see through the crap.

It just further exposes the BS in those who defend that WN"u" outfit and attack those who who have enough nads to go after those scammers.

Can we all just do a class action law suit on them and get our money back for ruining our job futures.

Shouldn't be hard to find something better than wn"u".

I am thinking about an associates...and then go from there...

No, I've asked anonymously and no school will take any of the credits, so I would have to go 4 years to get an engineering degree, the KWU credits are worthless.  Plus ppl would notice if I was suddenly taking Engineering courses.

Have you put any thought into going back? I know my HR department is ok with my degree, but I did go and talk to them about my concerns...if I am left go, I guess I am screwed...

Been doing engineering for 25 years...not sure what or where to go now...but am thinking about going back to a fully accredited school for business/management...

Our own organization now has a modern background check so I would not be qualified for my job if someone would look, nor can I apply for a promotion for the same reason.

Engineering

am fine where I am at, by background check was a decade ago and they missed it. I'm going to let sleeping dogs lie, but am terrified to apply anywhere else.

What are you concerned about? And Back ground Check??? What was your course of study?

"What I want to know is, what is everyone else that completed their degrees from KWU doing now? Are most like me, not even aware that our degrees are now concidered worthless?"

I am fine where I am at, by background check was a decade ago and they missed it.  I'm going to let sleeping dogs lie, but am terrified to apply anywhere else.

I am a mid level 25+ year design engineer. I worked up through the ranks as a designer to a Junior Design Engineer in my company. I did the KWU thing after it was recommended by my HR department as a "good" on-line engineering school that would get me the bump to Design Engineer.  I have/had two+ years at a local community college for engineering from 15+ years ago. I signed up and found the engineering program more difficult than I remember 15 years prior.

It is now 5 years post graduation from KWU and I am finding out now that my degree I worked soo hard to achieve while working full time and raising my family is now worthless.

What I want to know is, what is everyone else that completed their degrees from KWU doing now? Are most like me, not even aware that our degrees are now concidered worthless? 

I would like to see some input from fellow students and how they are handling this situation and what their plans are for the future...

I know there are a few people out there that will scoof at us because of our choice of school, I would prefer they not throw on the I told you so comments. They are not helpful at all.

Read the above postings.  The links are all there.

Read some of the previous posts about the suit against WN"u" and the link to the Cheyenne Herald newspaper above.

The information is there for you to follow up on.

I am, or was a student of KWU, it cost me $8000.00. Is there any way to get any of the money back? I had a loan through Sallie Mae.

I had studied,i suppose,with KWU and obtained two degrees e.g BS Computer Science and MBA in 4 years time back in 1990. I spent more than $5000/= and my degrees were attested from relevant authorities and related country's embassy. 
Problem is back in my country they dont recognise my degrees as they say KWU is not an accredited university.My all time,money and future is on stake. Where should I go for help? 
any comments,email me pls....  starofluck@hotmail.com

"I wish I could fail with 40+ million dollars in my pockets."

Well, WN "u" has nowhere near that, and you are failing just fine.

I don't expect anyone with a WN "u" "degree" to be able to read basic financial statements, so I'll try to summarize:

Liabilities > Assets = Bad

65%+ of your "university" expenses are selling and marketing = Red Flag

$17M / $20M of liabilities are deferred income = Madoff sized Big Red Flag.

www.cheyenneherald.com/_pdf/March%202009/Breaking%20story%20-%20KWU%20financials.pdf

www.cheyenneherald.com/_pdf/March%202009/Breaking%20story%20-%20KWU%20financials.pdf

Yes indeed, they were crappy for their customers but certainly not crappy as a $$$ generating outfit.

Note that this writer has never defended the accreditation cartels, moron.

Your "counter point" reminds me of the old proverb: " ... a fool is known by the multitude of words ... " .

Must not be too crappie they supposedly made 46 million dollars. The statement about constitutional powers is relevant because they (federal government)stuck their noses in what is a home rule issue stupid. The federal government went witch hunting, their supposed investigator who had no investigative experience, saying how she could do the course in a day, which is a blatant lie, you have testimony from former students complaining how difficult it was to find some answers, used a military person in a congressional investigation which in and of its self is "ILLEGAL". The school was licensed by the state to issue secondary degrees, by the States Board of Regents, which made it legal. 

The quality issue is no different than the shixxx Chevy you buy versus the Honda in your driveway. Buyer be ware. You say the school was crappy. Harvard is supposedly one of the top schools in the country, so your degree from Arizona State is sub standard I take it, useless, you couldn’t have learned any thing. You are telling me there are no crappie accredited colleges or universities in this country, give me a break cave dweller. You must live some where, where there is a deep sand pit because your head is buried deep within it.

It didn’t fail because it was crappie, it failed because they refused to bow down to the accreditation Nazis who dictate who can and who can not be a member of their “private for profit club”. I wish I could fail with 40+ million dollars in my pockets.

The only thing that is going to happen with this law suit that is pending is that the attorneys are going to walk away with a pocket full of money; the former students are going to maybe be given a small portion of their money back, if they are lucky. The school will come back under a different name and probably accredited with a different regional accreditation agency and will operate like DeVry University out of the upstairs of some Micro Soft office building or some other companies building rather than the lower level of a former J.C. Penny store and all will be good. Which in my mind, why build a multi dollar building when you can buy another failed business building or rent it. Then again some schools like to show off their monies in different ways. Big schools like big elaborate buildings and halls as a status symbol to make you think you are getting your moneys worth in an education.

You're basking in irrelevancy.  WN"u" failed because it was a crappy outfit.  Period.  End of story.

So simple even you might be able to grasp it.  The constitution's statement about federal powers is irrelevant.

"Ever hear of self rule, 10th Amendment of the Constitution, read it."

I am missing the part of the 10th Amend that says diploma mills are cool?

Nice discussion on accreditation but that issue was only one of many regarding the failure of K-W/WN"u".

If that outfit was operated in an ethical and honest manner it wouldn't have crashed and burned the way it did.