Grantham University

navy student September 19, 2006 at 3:01 p.m.

Dissapointing to say the least. No other school will touch my Grantham credits. I attended Grantham for two semesters. Now I am transfering because I am tired of trying to contact the school and my instructors for help and not getting return phone calls or e-mails. Their customer service is severly lacking. Now, I am stuck with two semesters worth or worthless credits that no one will touch.

Student #060723 October 19, 2006 at 1:18 p.m.

Huh? I have never had a problem getting through to faculty and staff. Problems have been solve quickly. As far as non-transferable credits, do your homework. There is a laundry list of schools that will accept credits from Grantham. You will be amazed at some of the schools on the list. Why does one go to school in the first place? Hopefully it's for self edification. Just my 2 cents.

Student November 2, 2006 at 7:36 p.m.

No, actually you cant transfer your credits. Most legitimate schools will not accept credits from Grantham. Call your local school if you dont believe it.

Wrong Masuss November 5, 2006 at 4:48 p.m.

You are dead wrong. Call around. Tell the school that you have credits from Grantham. They will tell you that they do not accept them. CHEA aggreement or not, they will not accept credits from Grantham.

Read what is said:

If an Institution is in HETA, What Does This Tell Me?
An institution's membership in HETA tells you that its transfer decisions are not made solely on the basis of the accredited status of a sending institution and that the institution has agreed at least to consider transfer requests from other institutions. Each HETA member institution has an interest in cooperative efforts to assure and enhance student mobility.

What if an Institution is not in HETA?
The institution has determined, as of this time, not to become part of the transfer alliance. If an accredited institution does decide to join HETA, it will be added to the directory.

What Does HETA NOT Do?
HETA does not assure that transfer requests from one HETA institution will be accepted by another HETA institution. It does not, as of this date, include all institutions that might accept your transfer credit. HETA is voluntary and, for example, an institution may not yet have chosen to join HETA. HETA does not make judgments about the academic quality of individual institutions.

It does not say that they WILL accept credits, only that they will CONSIDER it, and most WILL NOT accept Granthams.

serious student December 3, 2006 at 6 p.m.

This is too funny. Grantham keeps getting proven wrong no matter how they want to spin it.

John December 14, 2006 at 4:15 p.m.

James is the voice of reason. It's Nationally (DETC) accredited, and most Regionals won't take the credits.

Since this is a review site, I encourage all Grantham students to fill out a review if that want to be heard.

Scott December 17, 2006 at 5:50 p.m.

Write reviews! So others know!

seen a lot of blogs... January 8, 2007 at 4:22 p.m.

Happy New Year! I am not an advocate or a critic for DETC Accredited places of learning. I am just a 55 year-old guy, with a family, that has been working since he was 16, suffered through several company closings (anyone remember Singer Business Machines, or International Teleprinter Corporation (ITC), or how about RCA Tube Division) and never had the opportunity (read that as money) to attend a "brick & morter" college. I have personally talked to many employers, including my current one which by the way is providing tuition assitance for my studies at Grantham, and while not the best choice, Grantham University is at least respected and recognized. Maybe I can't transfer my credits to another college, but a BS from Grantham is still a BS on my resume. And let me tell you, in this day and age, "Job Security" is defined as how fast you can find another job. I know my degree from Grantham at the very least puts me in the running for that next job. The critics all have a good point, when your young set your sights high, plan to move and advance your degree(s). You are going to need to, competition is fearce, and its more international than ever. Grantham is not for everyone. But I can honestly say, I have learned a great deal, I believe I can present myself professionally during an interview and I can "talk the talk" in the field of data communications and networking. For those in Grantham, decide where you want to be, what are your goals? And then do it. Learning is what you make it. Grantham can be a fine resource. Here is an interesting site... http://distancelearn.about.com/od/accred...

Summer January 23, 2007 at 7:32 a.m.

Grantham's credits will NOT transfer, so you people that don't believe it then go right ahead and earn a degree with Grantham, and watch your world crumble!! Most students find a friend that goes to Grantham and cheat on all tests including Proctor exam...its a total joke!!!
Understand that a diploma means much more when recieved with pride from a prominent and reputable university!!

Grantham should be SHUT DOWN!!!

True, except for one point February 3, 2007 at 3:24 a.m.

I live in Louisiana. If you want a state job, a nationally accredited degree will simply not work. It actually states right on the job description that a degree from a recognized REGIONALLY ACCREDITED school is required. This is the same in many other states as well. Grantham will not tell you that when you are getting ready to enroll. Do your homework guys.

Mary February 7, 2007 at 2:07 a.m.

I hope most of ou tht read these posts are takinig advantage of the inside information placed upon you.

joey February 7, 2007 at 5:52 p.m.

YES it is a complete waste of time...and your credits wont go anywhere....sorry for your loss. All the staff there are generic and money hungry.......please seek other educational universities!!

RIPOFF February 9, 2007 at 7:11 a.m.

This goes out to the person "NO SERVICE"---You can file a complaint with RIP OFF REPORT (www.ripoffreport.com). This will get the word out, and file a report with the better business bureau immediately!! Lets do all we can to help our Military. Let's ban together to make a change!

to ME~From ITS TRUE February 22, 2007 at 6:59 a.m.

Evidently you haven't read the ripoff reports, because if you have then your questions would be answered!!! So many people are gone and have gotten fired. Everyone is tense around here........

to IT'S TRUE February 22, 2007 at 8:42 p.m.

Yep, sounds like business as usual, just a different location. I'm still having problems finding a single solitary school to accept my Grantham credits. Most just laugh when I tell them I have credits there, really, they laugh. I'm glad that I didnt come up. I'm making way more money now than I ever did at Grantham. Jobs are plentiful here now. Did you come up from Slidell or are you from KC?

TOO SO ITS TRUE February 26, 2007 at 4:49 a.m.

SORRY you have been taken for a fool by Grantham...it's a daily occurrence...Hope you go to a reputable college with top notch credentials!! Hope you read RIPOFFREPORT and pass the word along!!

It's not just here February 26, 2007 at 6:21 a.m.

You can read a lot of good information here:

http://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/to...

and here:

http://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/to...

and here:

http://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/to...

and here:

http://confuzioncityscomments.blogspot.c...

and here:

http://blogkc.com/archives/2005/09/kc-lo...

As well as on many military/college chat boards. Grantham really is getting a name for itself.

Former Student February 27, 2007 at 5:55 a.m.

You know I have read the reports and have seen MANY of your names on them. I do believe that you are former employees and have probably been wronged. So get a new job and move on. I have had bosses that I did not like but don't sit around blogging about them.
About the school, yes it is a paper diploma, but it also sits nicely on my resume under my MBA from Pepperdine. My degree from Grantham did advance my education and work status. I received a BSEET at Grantham and was accepted to Graziadio School of Business at Pepperdine University. I completed my MBA and have worked the entire time. I suspect many of you who complain about your working conditions have not completed a degree and are unhappy with your minimum wage jobs. It is not the fault of the man who only gives you a few grains to eat. It is the fault of the man who does not learn to grow the grain himself!

YOU AMUSE ME February 27, 2007 at 11:31 p.m.

Too Former Student I am sure you are with Grantham, and I agree that only Grantham would stoop so low as too TRY and insult former or current employees wages. Grantham University is a shameful University lacking the proper credentials to call itself a TRUE University for higher education. Grantham staff sickens me, so instead of you all surfing the internet to find numerous comments that are true about your diploma mill school-you should get regionally accredited...PLEASE spend your time getting proper acreditation then come back on this board and speak the truth!!

Rate 'em! March 5, 2007 at 6:50 p.m.

Due to the power of modern technology, you can rate your professors at Grantham. Or

http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/SelectTe...

2 Former student March 5, 2007 at 7:30 p.m.

Grantham Degree incredible...? YEAH RIGHT!! Did you just make that up? It's incredible how generic this school is...It's incredible that students don't research first b4 signing up with Grantham.

Former student again March 9, 2007 at 1 a.m.

First of all I don’t know any of the names you all have listed as working for Grantham. I can not say they are good, bad, or whatever. I can say that my degree, GMAT, and my work experience got me into Pepperdine. I never said that a Grantham degree was "Incredible". I personally think that my degree from Grantham was a more of a tool to get into a Masters program.

What cracks me up is that I keep seeing the same names pop up on these forums. Jason from San Diego... I know you, I was in the Navy with you. I also know that you told me that the BSEET course was too difficult for you and you were going to change to the BSEM. I guess that was too tough for you too so you take your frustration out on Grantham.

Again, I can not speak about the business portion of Grantham, from what you all have said, they must have problems with personnel issues, but as far as a B.S. degree it gets you in the door. I would not recommend a M.S. Degree from Grantham just because there are many other, more prestigious Universities that offer programs for working adults.

Out-side looking in March 11, 2007 at 3:38 p.m.

Lets take a few minutes to review the facts boys and girls.

Rip off report dated 1/22/2007 11:17 am

A message from an employee who states, “GU is no good”
Five days later at 2:52pm (1/27/2007) the message was modified- apparently it didn’t get the attention it was seeking

The second person joins in (ID “truth hurts”) on 1/27/2007 at 1:01pm. Decides that they want to join in on the bashing. They also decided to modify their message at 2:52pm (see the trend here). They sign their message with “truth hurts”

On 2/6/2007 at 5:03pm- it appears the first message wasn’t getting the job done. Decided to add some extras bashing. A couple of hours later (7:35pm) they decided to modify their message. This time they signed their name to the message

Same day- the second person joins in. Time of the message was 6:44pm. Decides to add a spin on things by adding some names to the main event. Get this, at 7:35pm they decided to modify their message (see the trend here) This time they decided to sign their name with TH (truth hurts, where have we seen this before? see above) and their name

I am no PI, but this sounds like two individuals who were fired and are very unhappy.

News Flash- Facts are that everyone hates management in one way or another. Get over it people, move on.

Now boys and girls, let’s review some other facts.

Whether a Nationally or Regionally accredited learning institution accepts each other’s credit that is up to the gaining learning institution. So get over it!

As for the other GU employees looking for new jobs. Get on with it. I am more then sure they are not holding you down with straps. Perhaps if you were doing your job, your university would be a better place to go to.

In closing boys and girl. If you don’t like how McDonalds makes your hamburgers, go to Burger King where everything is served your way. That is the American way

Outside looking in~Hi Management March 11, 2007 at 8:37 p.m.

Nice try. I don't know what G.C stands for. But, if you haven't noticed, GU management hasn't responded to a single statement on these sites- I don't blame them. Who has time to waste with people like you. Move on friend!

Management or not March 11, 2007 at 10:19 p.m.

The above piece was a good write up. It makes total sense. Rose who ever you are, you are awesome! The author of "Hi management" get a life.

To Rose March 12, 2007 at 12:34 a.m.

That is exactly what this thread is about. Getting on with your life. This is why the thread was started, so people don't waste their time getting a degree that will not work for them in the long run. I've done some research, and I have yet to find a school that will accept Grantham credits. I use to be a student, and I can't find a school that will touch them. I wasted two semesters and a lot of money and time to find this information out. Now, I'm spreading the word so others can do their own research without blindly enrolling in a degree program. I have never told anyone NOT to become a Grantham student, I simply tell them what their Enrollment Advisor will not.

Simply said, DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE YOU ENROLL. Don't expect a sales person to give you the straight skinny when it's simply a numbers game to them and their goal is to enroll as many people as they can each month.

Jason

Great site here March 13, 2007 at 2:29 a.m.

I just found this site and there is even more great information about Grantham. 8 pages of it going back about a year and a half.

http://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/to...

To Peperdine graduate March 17, 2007 at 3:47 a.m.

To the Former Student that says they got into and graduated with a Masters Degree from Peperdine, I have to call the bullcrap flag on you my friend. This is the e-mail that I sent to Pepperdine University:

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 3:35 PM
To: GSBM Malibu Admissions <gsbmadm@pepperdine.edu>
Subject: Enrollment

Dear Sir or Ma'am,

I am just completing my BSEET degree from Grantham University, a DETC National accredited university. Would this meet your requirements for entrance into your MBA program? Your assistance is greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

****

(As you can see, I put down a BSEET degree, just like Mr. Former Student said he had.)

This is the reply that I received today:

Dear ****,
Thank you for your interest in the Graziadio School of Business and Management. We require completed undergraduate degrees from regionally accredited universities, so an undergraduate degree from a
nationally accredited school would not meet that requirement. I hope this helps and let me know if you have any further questions.

Take care,
Marc

Marc Endrigat
Graziadio School of Business and Management
Full-Time Programs
1-800-726-9283

So I say to you, Mr. Former Student, you are a LIAR and a DECEIVER. This is proof positive that a Grantham Degree will not get your into Pepperdine University. I left Mr. Endrigat's information so that anyone can verify this information if they so choose. Please do not post any more lies about Grantham being accepted by this university. It will not be.

Student March 17, 2007 at 7:53 p.m.

I have found all of these posts interesting in one way or the other. I have been spending a lot of my time researching Grantham to ensure I am receiving a degree that I can use in my life. I have fallen upon forums such as this in the past bashing Grantham, and I almost quit because of it. Good thing that I am not a sheep following the flock. I was at work (I am in the military and I work with civilian contractors) and I was speaking with a GS-15 about college. I told him my concerns about my school being a rip-off. He asked what school I went to and I told him "Grantham". He then said,"I have something interesting to show you in my office." I followed him to his large corner office to find a wall of degrees. This man had three masters degrees from University of Maryland, Texas A&M, and Colorado State. All of these Masters degrees were attached to the Bachelors Degree he also had on his wall. It was from Grantham University.
For those of you that are trying to dispell hope to those of us trying to balance family, work and an education...STOP!!! I am truly sorry that Grantham wasn't the right school for you, but it is for others. For those of you attending Grantham with concern, remember one thing. If you finish your Bachelors at Grantham, you won't have to worry about trying to transfer credits.

To Student March 18, 2007 at 12:15 a.m.

Are you going to make me send e-mails to those three schools as well to prove you a liar also? Oh well, I have some extra time, so I will. Thank you for the challenge and I'll report back when I have an answer.

PROOF March 19, 2007 at 3:01 a.m.

GOSH another school denying Grantham credits!! WOW A school right in the same state as Grantham was. This is so interesting and informative. I'm sure that was Grantham staff that lied....but anyway NEXT SCHOOL ON THE LIST TO DENY GRANTHAM CREDITS (drum roll please)

To Matt who wrote a review above March 21, 2007 at 2:52 a.m.

So you put your name down? Big deal. I could put my name down as Freddie Mercury. That doesn't make it true. You can put down whatever name you want, that doesn't make you a verifiable student. For all we know, you could be another Grantham employee trying to put out the flames. You may feel what others are writing on this board are true, or false. That is up to the individual to decide. That facts are being presented by actual e-mails from actual Universities that are saying they WILL NOT accept Grantham credits for transfer or as prerequisites for a Master Degree. This can be verified by e-mailing the school in question and getting a response directly. We can not verify your information, nor do you present facts to back up your claim of transferring into a "prestigious school" where you earned said Masters Degree. What school did you attend that accepted your Grantham bachelors degree? I would like to be able to independently verify this information by contacting the school in question directly. Lack of a response will prove that you are lying.

If you read posts on ripoffreport.com, you can see that both current and former employees and students are posting there as well. The information is out there for anyone and everyone. We are not asking you to take this information at face value. We are presenting the well documented information and asking any potential students to be very cautious and research this school before enrolling.

ANONYMOUS March 25, 2007 at 1:21 p.m.

Everyone has made some valid arguments and I am sure that the word about Grantham has spread. On a separate note, I just checked the Better Business Bureau website with a Grantham University search. There has only been one complaint filed against Grantham in three years and it was a contract dispute. The complaint was dismissed after investigation. Instead of using this website to post your concerns, why not go to the people who can take the proper action. Good luck.

federal government April 2, 2007 at 5:06 p.m.

Several of my friends like to get drunk and surf ripoffs.com and reply to the posts with anything that comes to mind. It is a game to them. That is the trailer park of websites.

Any legitimate complaints need to go to BBB.

Do not even attempt to tell them that you are made because you were fired. Ex-employees love to make up things about why they could not cut it.

observer April 2, 2007 at 5:50 p.m.

The customer service at Grantham has to be improving since
the former employees that are crying here have been let go!!
Grantham definitely made the right choice.

To everyone who responded "today" April 2, 2007 at 10:16 p.m.

What school did you transfer your credits to? I doubt I will receive an answer because you Grantham employees know that I will send an e-mail to them and post the response.

Notice that all the responses were posted within an hour and a half of each other. The same Grantham employee I think? To all looking at enrolling, do your homework. Read the posts above and the responses from other Universities. The proof is right there, all you have to do is read it, and do a little research for yourself.

Sounds good April 3, 2007 at 1:53 a.m.

I'll let you know what USC tells me.

To miserable April 3, 2007 at 2:08 a.m.

Go right ahead!! Want me to give my instructors name also with references. What a miserable individual you are!!

GRANTHAM PLEASE April 3, 2007 at 4:55 a.m.

Obviously we have people from Grantham posting responses here. Like everyone is saying research for yourself about this school. Ex-Employees and current employees hate the day they ever landed at grantham for work im sure. It amazes me how people have so much to say BUT in defense to Grantham but haven't the slightest clue! It matters who's sleeping with who at Grantham because I don't want to go to a school that lacks morals and standards. If anything customer service has gotten worse at Grantham. Noone is there to answer the phone and I never get called until they want more money from me.Tons of schools will not accept Grantham credits and most of us "LIKE MINDED" individuals understand that from experience.

EX-STUDENT April 3, 2007 at 11:17 a.m.

My wife and I both are graduates of Grantham Univerity. I transferred my degree into Averett University which allowed me to recently achieve my MBA. My wife transferred into Capella University and received her Masters and now she is in the doctorial Program at Nova Southeastern University.
All in all it was a great fit for us.

Proof has been posted April 3, 2007 at 11:49 a.m.

Anyone can SAY that they were able to transfer their Grantham degree to a Regional school and got their Masters. There is documented PROOF that, in most cases, that is simnply not true. Proof from actual universities with verifiable contact information has been posted saying that they WILL NOT accept a Grantham degree. I hardly think that my "mental state" has anything to do with me looking out for my fellow Military Service Members.

It all comes down to this: Do you want to spend the time and money on a degree that is not looked highly upon and not accepted when you want to further your education OR, do you want to spend the same time and money on a a degree that will be accepted at MOST other schools. Schools like Fort Hayes University, San Diego State online, Old Dominion online, etc. are Regionally Accredited and WILL be able to be transfered. Dollar for dollar, they are VERY competative. They WILL NOT charge you $250 a credit hour for a class that no other school will touch.

It's been said on here before and I'll say it again: I'm not telling anyone NOT to go to Grantham. That is up to you. I'm simply saying that any potential student needs to do a little research before dropping their entire GI Bill or TA into a school that may not fit into their plan. The Grantham employees that are posting here seem to be very passionate about attacking others. Be that as it may, do your homewoork on this school. You will find out a lot.

ALL A DREAM April 3, 2007 at 5:45 p.m.

Focus on the facts instead of focusing on who are employee's or ex employees. This is maddness. Facts and research speak for themselves. Some people are making a mockery out of what is fact here. If you have done your research you will know that most allegations that have been made about Grantham are reality. Just call the school, look on other sites. Everyone can't have a vendetta against these people.... The only mental conditions I detect are the people on this board that are living in a dream in hopes that there degree will actually take them somewhere. most school that have been named for taking Grantham credits aren't any that people have ever heard of. When its time for an employer to hire u or a school to take your credits, they will ask the same question. "WHO IS GRANTHAM?"

General Comment April 3, 2007 at 6:51 p.m.

Good enough for the Department of Education of The United States of America and CHEA means it is good enough for me.
To miserable ex-employee, How much experience do you have accrediating educational programs?

National Accreditation April 3, 2007 at 10 p.m.

What is really funny is when I was hired, they explained National Accreditation to me. This is what they told me.

You know when you pick up a Star magazine or Readers Digest they have that art school in the back? The one where you draw either the pirate or the turtle and send it back in. They are Nationally Accredited.

What do you think would happen in you received a degree from that "online" art school and went to Disney or Marvel or even your local newspaper to get a job? They would laugh you out the door.

Victor April 3, 2007 at 11:25 p.m.

Like any other product or service, there is nothing to please everybody at the same level. all the opinions are personal opinions and they do noit reflect the true reputation of the school as well as its educational parameters. In my case, I've completed 12 credits already with Grantham. in my initial contact with the educational advisors/sales people or any name you want to give them, they were professional and had all the patience in the world to answer all my questions and to clarify all my concerns. I did the same with other online universities before I start spending my money. Now, that several months have passed, I can honestly say than Grantham University meets the expectations I had, the courses and books are appropriate and the faculty is accesible. The books were compared with local university books, since i used their libraries to study; the indexes, chapters and lessons run parallel and similar topics are reviewed.
Also, it is important to have in mind that when people expresses their discomfort with a service or product-in this case with Grantham- in a very rude way, are people that are not interested with their education at all, their ignorance and lack of goals to succeed is revealed in their words. Grantham University is highly recommended for those who like challenge and are determined to accomplished all tasks-no half/ways- for a good recognition. In regards to credits accepted by other universities, it makes sense that other places won't take all the credits because they would not make any money by enrolling you in only a few credits. Yes, shopping around is the best, and you will find universities that give credit to 50%, 60%, 70%, and 80% of your credits. The rest has to be in accordance with their particular policies and curricula so you can adhere to a new student body, a new study house, and a new institution. I'm aware of that, and I'm already shopping around for those places that gives me the best. I have nothing bad or disappointed to say about Grantham University but the pleasure of better myself with a top notch courses that are already put in practice at my job, where lots of materials have contributed to several training meetings. Keep it up, enjoy Grantham or any other university; education is good!

Former employee and student April 4, 2007 at 2:15 a.m.

You have no clue what you are talking about. Grantham flat out lied to it's Slidell employees, multiple times. You can believe all the lies that your employer is telling you, the truth is out there and has been out there. Forget that Grantham credits are worthless at MOST OTHER universities, the school treated it's Slidell employees like dirt. Fact: The school gave each employee only a few days to move to KC after the worst disaster to hit the United States....ever. If you were not willing to leave your home and family, you were fired. That is the fact. On their own website, they said that they would hold jobs for those not able to come up right away. The truth was, within a week, those who could not come were receiving termination letters. Then they said that Grantham would be returning to LA. Yep, another lie. The list goes on and on. Personally, I'm glad that I stayed because I am earning a nice living making quite a bit more than Grantham was every willing to pay it's employees.

I'm not bitter with Grantham, I understand how a business works. I understand how Grantham felt that their employees were just numbers, just like their students. Look at the way they run their departments. Students are just numbers to them. "We need X amount of TA's today". I remember hearing them say that. Don't make your goal for the week and catch hell from them. I use to work for admissions and I got sick and tired of the way we were treated and the way we were expected to deceive potential students just so we could make our goal. I transfered out of that department and actually took a paycut to do it. I was happy to make less money just to be done with it.

Appreciate last 2 posts April 4, 2007 at 2:35 a.m.

Choice is yours to make about Grantham. I can care less whether you take this free information that so many have offered for your well being. the choice is yours. Don't say you were not warned.
You can lead a horse to the water but you can't make him drink it!!

Outsider looking in April 4, 2007 at 4:49 a.m.

Some interesting information here to be sure.

What I find most interesting is that all of the individuals who are saying that Grantham credits will not be accepted by other schools are posting what look like real emails from other schools confirming that claim. The individuals who are posting that they had no problem transfering credits have posted nothing proving it, just expecting everyone to take their word for it. Come on guys! Out of all the people that claim that their credits transfered, is there not one of you who can come up with something, an email, a website, something from the school you transfered to that says that they will accept Grantham credits?

And to the supposed Department of Education employee that posted earlier, you said "Why does anyone send e-mails to schools trying to get in?". Are you a complete idiot? These are online schools we are talking about. This is the online degree review website. Grantham does not even have a campus. How else is someone suppose to get information from an online school? If this is who the Department of Education is hiring, we are all in trouble. Plus, no Department of Education employee would claim that any legitimate school will give you credits based on your resume. Please, you are only showing how ignorant you are.

To Victor April 4, 2007 at 11:27 a.m.

Finally a voice of wisdom on this forum.

To all you employees April 4, 2007 at 12:20 p.m.

If you truly believe in your school and the product you sell, why dont you post your names and extensions so potential students can contact you directly to ask their questions? Get off the breakroom computers and take a few of their phone calls.

2 "General" April 4, 2007 at 5:42 p.m.

Grantham doesn't have good benefits at all. We were told health insurance would be free when we first were hired, but once we were hired...Grantham pulled us in the conference room and told us that we would have to pay fully for it. What benefits do we have-half off ice cream and pretzels? We work hard everyday here, and these students only wish they knew exactly what actually goes on here. These students want so much not to believe there choice for higher education is stiffing them in every way. Hold on to your pipe dreams, because Grantham doesn't mind taking your money and using it to buy BMW's, F150 trucks, lavish homes in Virginia and 400,000 dollar homes in Kansas City!!

General April 4, 2007 at 7:29 p.m.

Senior management overhaul is due! Pay and treat Employees well. Take these steps and watch Grantham flourish. It would be as good as it was in 2004.Maybe better!

Field Marshal April 8, 2007 at 3:06 a.m.

"Admissions Reps (Read: Salesmen) were making about $14 and hour plus commission"

Last I heard, Instructors (to use the term very loosely) are paid $15 per hour.

Robert April 10, 2007 at 4:06 a.m.

Wow, I'm sure they are able to get top tier college professors paying $15 an hour. That's who I want teaching me university level course work, someone who get's paid less than a waiter. Oh wait, they don't do any teaching. It's up to you to teach yourself, they just grade (if you want to call it that) your papers when they get around to it. What a pathetic excuse for a school this it.

Recent Graduate April 12, 2007 at 10:52 p.m.

I just got my Computer Science B.S. from Grantham, and I'm surprised by all the comments I'm seeing here. I've been interviewing with prospective employers for more than a month now, and have three separate job offers on the table, all the way from $45k a year up to $65k. I've got almost no experience in the field, and so this is a great start for me. None of these folks hiring me has even raised an eyebrow at my degree. All they wanted to know was that the university was accredited, and once they knew that it was nationally accredited, they were fine with it and accepted the degree. Regional and national accreditation are basically the same thing; they don't indicate anything separate really.

To Recent Grad April 13, 2007 at 4:10 p.m.

Congrats to you!

Computer Science degrees of any type are in demand.
Some HR departments are not very savvy, as long as you have "A DEGREE" of any type.

2 GENERAL April 14, 2007 at 7:38 p.m.

You know what........Not one single employee care's whether you get a worthless degree from Grantham period!! We as employees have the inside scoop and wanted to share it to current students and students who are looking to possibly enroll! It makes us no difference if a college won't except your degree, because it's not taking or putting any money in our pockets!

Inform everyone April 18, 2007 at 4:01 a.m.

Grantham is accredited through DETC. DETC has guidelines on how they process complaints.
From the DETC Web Page:

If you have a complaint about a DETC-accredited institution, please contact Adriene Crossland adriene@detc.org, Assistant to the Director of Accreditation.
202-234-5100 Ext. 105

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Another Education Assocation to complain to is:
American Council on Education
One Dupont Circle NW
Washington, DC 20036-1193
(202) 939-9300
Their website is www.acenet.edu

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For Service Members & Veterans:

Those Servicemembers having problems with Grantham should also complain to these people.

Servicemembers Opportunity Colleges
1307 New York Avenue, NW
Fifth Floor
Washington, DC 20005-4701

soc.aascu.org/

800-368-5622
202-667-0079
FAX 202-667-0622

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Don't forget to send your complaint to the VA if you used your GI Bill:

gibill.va.gov/contact/contact.htm
1-888-442-4551

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Also, you might want to send your complaint to the U.S. Dept of Education - Inspector General Hotline:

ed.gov/about/offices/list/oig/misused/index.html

E-mail your Grantham Complaint to: oig.hotline@ed.gov

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It is my opinion that complaining on Ripoff report and posting on internet forums might warn potential students; it does NOT force Grantham to act. Complaining to the RIGHT people (The Government and Military) will make them respond. Since the majority of Grantham Students are Military, it's important for them to seek help from their respective services if they're having problems. If enough complaints are processed, DETC COULD revoke their accreditation, which could cause a chain reaction: The military and the VA GI Bill won't pay for an unaccredited school, which would eventually force Grantham to change their ways for shut down.

GOOD LUCK!

An instructor April 19, 2007 at 6:43 p.m.

Just want to ask that former students stop generalizing. I work for Grantham as a part-time independent contractor (instructor). I answer my students' emails within 24 hours, and my tests are difficult to pass. Students have to correctly write essays. So, open book or not, means nothing. You are bashing an entire population with some hard-working people. We don't discriminate in this country by race or religion. Let's not generalize an entire group of professionals into the joke you've made of them... I came on this site after my google search of "Grantham benefits" (looking to see if they offer medical benefits if full-time employed) and this came up. How sad. Stop grouping people into clumps. My students email me all the time that I am helpful and courteous. I am kind, and respectful to my military students, especially...

I am disappointed to read all of this nonsense...anger is fine. Take it to the right places.

Let's show a little kindness in return.

WOW April 22, 2007 at 3:13 a.m.

I have heard that Grantham is moving back to Lousiana. Anyone have any news on this?

Note to Instructor April 24, 2007 at 4:36 a.m.

Kudos to you for being professional in the face of this mess. Check out www.higheredjobs.com , you can adjunct for a regionally accredited school starting at a bare minimum of more than double your current salary. I understand if you needed to do it to get something on your CV, but I would upgrade to a better school.

"I work for Grantham as a part-time independent contractor (instructor). I answer my students' emails within 24 hours, and my tests are difficult to pass... I am kind, and respectful to my military students, especially..."

this crap is funny April 29, 2007 at 6:59 p.m.

Any one who would waste their time money on a non-regionally accredited degree is a certified idiot.

I can't say it any simpler than that.

Any college that does not have regional accredidation that trys to pass it self off as a legitimate school should be shut down and its managers/founders imprisoned for fraud.

If you want a respected degree but must attend online, find a state supported college that also has a ground campus.

Waste of money is right May 3, 2007 at 7:24 p.m.

Grantham is a huge waste of money and time, especially when you can get a degree from a reputable, Regionally accredited school for less cost and be treated better while doing it.

The word is getting out May 6, 2007 at 3:26 a.m.

http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread....

This is just too funny. More and more people are reading about this school and can make a judgement for themselves, not just what a sales guy at Grantham is telling them.

Just a Guy May 7, 2007 at 9:07 p.m.

KC,

Let me put it to you this way. I am an executive recruiter and have been for 15 years. I also teach HR at the collegiate level both online and traditionally.

If you sent me a resume with a Grantham degree on it, I would immediately toss it in the trash, as would every other recruiter I know.

If you apply for a masters program at a regionally accreditied school trying to use your Grantham degree they will not accept you.

For anyone considering higher education avoid schools that are not regionally accredited. Grantham has NO CHANCE of gaining regional accrediation. Save your Time/Money AVOID THIS SCHOOL!!!

Correction on Accreditation May 16, 2007 at 2:56 p.m.

"Now do your lessons no matter what school you go to. Grantham is a great school and will have Regional Accreditation shortly. It's accreditation now is good"

Grantham is NOT a candidate for regional accreditation, they are not on the list, sorry.

They are also far from being a great school. They are nationally accredited, and a bottom tier DETC school at that.

Regional NO!!! May 17, 2007 at 6:19 p.m.

Everyone knows you can't really get a higher learning type education out of Grantham...Most people are in the Military and just want to get something, some type of Degree! Problem is, they dont research b4 enrolling in this school....Grantham said last year that they would have Title 4 funding by June 2007...Well I must inform you....they don't!! Regional Accreditation...umm NO not going to happen besides it takes years to get this certification....and actually you have to have Title 4 funding in order to apply for Regional Accreditation!!!!!!!!
Please take your education elsewhere and STOP Enrolling with Grantham

No need to improvise, adapt, and overcome..... May 27, 2007 at 7:58 p.m.

Just go to a good school that will appreciate what you did for your country.

Here is the deal. I'm a Veteran. I used GI Bill benefits at Grantham, and I got screwed, big time. The truth is, and they wont tell you this when you enroll, is that you will only be considered a "part time" student while enrolled at Grantham because of all the time they give you to complete your semester. This means that you will only recieve "Half time" pay for your work. IF (and that's a big IF) you complete your semester early, you MAY get your benefits retro. Here is the clincher, you have to depend on THEM to complete your semester, IE: you need to have papers graded, you need responses from instructors, you need your proctor exam sent to your Proctor, and then wait for it to be graded (and Grantham is slow with all of this). Long story short, I was never able to complete my semester early because of all the incompetence that Grantham is full of, so, I only got half time GI Bill benefits. That's about $500 a month. Now, I had to pay $250 a credit hour for five three/four credit hour courses in a semester. So, you pay over $4250 for a semester but only receive about $3000 in benefits because Grantham wont answer your questions in a timely manner or send your proctor exams out on time. Don't even get me started if you need an extention to complete your semester because of their foul ups. You end up OWING money back to the VA.

Look into Fort Hayes State University. It's all online, it's Regionaly Accredited, and you are considered a "Full Time Student" from day one with a traditional semester time frame. All that, and your degree will actually mean something when you are done.

the patriot May 28, 2007 at 1:30 a.m.

I'm glad to get some feedback on the VA benefits matter. I decided to take it a step further. By sometime Monday, I'm expecting a response from the Missouri Education Dept, BBB, Dept of Education, etc to get any and all information they have on Grantham whether its complaints, investigations, reports of wrong doing, etc. Thanks for the feedback and I will look into FHSU as a backup.

Figures May 28, 2007 at 3:32 a.m.

It figures that even Grantham staff are cheating on their exams. It also figures that Grantham did not fire them. Just goes to show you that they do not care about anything except making money.

Question???? May 29, 2007 at 3:31 a.m.

are the 3 amigos's from slidell or kc? if they are from slidell are they going back home? from ripp off reports everytime a employee from slidell gets ready to leave they get in trouble. something always come up? now if we are talking about cheating how come they were not fired? HUMMMM managaement don't have proof. if they investigate them they will have to do it for all including managment. how can you cheat on the proctored exams the questions come from the course guide word for word. no cheating is needed just pay attention to the questions. any sane person can pass it.

Why do you think they are fazing student services out and on june 4 student progress will be sending out porctored exams?

This is how easy it is to cheat at Grantham May 29, 2007 at 12:26 p.m.

If you are paying to cheat....go ahead
If you are serious about a good education ...then do the right thing by taking your exams honestly.
"Cheating" hummmm life presents itself with may opportunities to cheat. People do it all the time. The real question is why?
Again, if you are serious about a good education....then you won't have to cheat

a thought to think about May 29, 2007 at 2:49 p.m.

I work at Grantham and I know all who are being investigated and its hard for me to believe that the 3 Amigo's cheated. they took their exams at the school infront of the director himself or if not him some upper manager with authority. They all are in different degree programs. This is what i think happened. According to policy when you get your Associates Degree you get a 2% raise and $2000 after 90 days Bachalors 5% and $5000 in your upcoming check. Think about it. If they had completed their Associates them they are still waiting for their $2000 and if they complete their BA within the 90 days then that will be $5000 in their next check so that would be a total of $7000 managment would have to approve for each of then a whopping $21000. but what really pissed them off they are leaving and going back home in July. Not to mention the others they are investigating. when you start talking about money being given that is when they want to investigate why!!! See his real motives comes from an Employee who was awarded his BA and got all his money and Monday morning he quit. He got his degree an left and is probably making more money now and is at peace. So why not stop eveyone else from doing the same thing that he did. so they called them all cheaters. What better way to not pay someone for doing what everyone will need to have to work at grantham "A DEGREE"!!! Yes that is right. It will be a requirement. If you don't have a degree you will be let go. Just blow your mind!!! i know all of granthams dirty little secrets.

SUPPOSE to be seeking is the right term June 1, 2007 at 12:37 p.m.

Grantham is famous for big promises and little return. They have been seeking ABET and Regional Accreditation for YEARS. They will keep on seeking while their students suffer.

UoP student June 16, 2007 at 1:58 p.m.

Just yesterday I received a message on my home phone and an email to my military email address from Grantham University. A little over a year ago I started looking around for schools that offer degrees online because I am in the military and work crazy schedules. I am an online student with University of Phoenix and have been taking classes with them for one year and plan to continue my education until I graduate. I honestly do not remember inquiring of Grantham University, but if I did, then why did it take them a little over a year to get back to me? If this is an indicator of their customer service, then I am not impressed.

. June 24, 2007 at 8:11 p.m.

Grantham was losing employees AND students at a rapid rate when I was still there. I can only imagine what is going on now. A lot of students were very upset with all the problems they were having before their move. From what I understand, they are having even more problems now.

y July 4, 2007 at 4:47 a.m.

Former adjunct, good for you for trying. Good for you for not taking long to get a clue. Good luck, you are off to better things.

former graduate July 6, 2007 at 10:22 p.m.

Overall: I couldn’t use my degree for progression in the Air Force. I know I will have problems in the civilian world.

Materials: “GOOD”.

Teachers: Need improvement. They need to be held accountable for not meeting student’s needs (i.e. responding to emails). I had an instructor tell me to hire a tutor. I struggled through math class on my own...no help! BTW...not all instructors were bad. Dr. Sutter was great and there have been other good ones. If you’re out there “thank you!”

Institution: Leadership needs to wake up and smell the coffee. You need to listen to its students, instructors, and staff for advice. It’s called process of improvement!

Support: I gave them a "6". I rated it not for the 3 bad instructors I had but for the majority of the instructors that pushed me, emailed me back to do better, or study harder. Thank you! I did learn a lot from them. Overall, the adjunct instructors I had were very knowledgeable and supporting. Grantham should listen to them and take some advice.

Value: It’s poor! I have not advanced in the Air Force with this degree. I have applied for State Jobs in IL...no luck there. It looks as if the only job I can get is the one I currently have. Wake up Grantham...you students need both Regional and ABET accreditation. I have been told by Grantham, We’re obtaining both since 2001. It isn't going to happen...bad on you for not keeping your word Grantham...shame on you!

Use of Technology: It could use improvement. I t does use very good technology for software via distance learning. I think using some hands-on circuit breadboards, multimeter, and a hand-held o-scope would be very beneficial. Also, use video for instructing students on-line.

My comments about cheating: I want to say I never cheated and for those that did...shame on you! You know Grantham’s "Code of Conduct" and its policy about cheating. It’s like any other school; if you’re caught you get in trouble. That should fall more on the person than Grantham because you can not get through life or your next job if you’re a cheater.

I would like to see from Grantham: Obtain Regional and ABET at the same time. Offer a Master's program for Engineering. Start an undergrad program for Electrical and Computer Engineering, Biomedical Engineering, and Biomedical Engineering Technology.

My final comments: Grantham if you can hear me...you know my thoughts since I constantly email about "what my expectations are from you" so wake up and smell the darn coffee. Also, for current Grantham students if you’re going to complain this is a good place, ripoffreport, and the Better Business Bureau. My advice to students is complaining to Grantham’s President, Dean and Provost and let them know just how you feel about the school. Also, let them know you’re unhappy and if things do not change for the better and soon you will take your money elsewhere. . Grantham…its time to act now before it’s too late!

Investigations July 11, 2007 at 4:39 p.m.

I have seen comments on here saying that Grantham is being investigated. It always is written " I heard that gratham is being investigated by...." Name your source. Where do you see this? I can not find a single document or anything saying Grantham is being investigated. That would be like me saying that I heard Grantham is joining MIT's engineering department. If you dont reference a real source then I have to assume your pulling it out of your chair warmer.

Who cares? July 19, 2007 at 5:52 p.m.

Who cares if Grantham is being investigated. They stink, non the less. Investigation or not, people ARE dropping out and going to other school. Grantham enrollments are down and keep going down. Their service stinks, their accreditation stinks, their management stinks, their education stinks. A school where you teach yourself??? Yeah, right.

Unhappy with GU July 20, 2007 at 6:25 p.m.

I know I am preaching to the choir here, but it does make me feel better. I began taking classes with GU in 2002 while still on active duty. No, I did not research them. Quite simply, I felt their program had the flexibility I needed to finish my degree.

I actually received an email through the Base from the Top 3 organization stating that several schools, including Grantham, were offering scholarships to the military to cover the cost of 25% that was not being paid by TA at the time.

I enrolled and 4 years later finished my BS in computer science. Soon after that I was looking for a new job and the fact that I had a degree, even from GU, was a major factor in getting the job. Did my employer care where the degree was from? I don't think so; he was hiring me for my experience. However, it is a requirement in this company to have at least a BA or BS degree.

I am currently enrolled in their MBA program and my BIGGEST complaint is the lack of customer service. Like MANY of the post I have read here, GU is only interested in the next semester and the next student AND the money...That’s it. It is nearly impossible to get someone on the phone. They rarely return calls or emails. It is simply terrible. SO after five years, once this semester is finished, so am I. I am looking at transferring (assuming they will accept the credits) to American Military University's MBA program. They are nationally and regionally accredited. My wife takes classes there and it is like night and day compared to Grantham.

Needs Regional and ABET July 21, 2007 at 8:11 p.m.

Grantham used to call me every day about enrollment. I told them sure i would enroll if you are regionally and ABET accredited. There was silence on the phone. SIr, we are obtaining regional in 2008. My reply, I was told back in 2002 Grantham was seeking this and as of today--nothing!

I know they're accredited by the US Dept of Education but many people don't understand nationally accredited. Many believe it’s a lower standard of accreditation--its not!

I think Grantham needs to upgrade to regional and ABET and be done with it--stop milking the students and get the job done.

Wright August 2, 2007 at 2:59 p.m.

I liked everyone's comments, bad ones and good ones! Grantham is not for everyone, and you can say the same for any school you go to. But, I have been enrolled in Grantham since 2005 and they have done a great job! 1 out of 10 they are a 8. My goal was just to have a degree that I did not have to pay for! And that is all I wanted! I been in the IT business for 20+ years and I have found several useful things that I have learned at Grantham. And, it reflects in my job (example: more pay, job satisfaction, just to name a few). Good luck for those who are still searching for an education!

Military Targets of Theft August 3, 2007 at 2:38 a.m.

WOW if you students don't read what the ADJUNCT Instructor went through with Grantham then you have been brainwashed too....IF you students dont take the time and will to want and earn a reliable degree then you too should be taken for your money like all the rest

??? August 4, 2007 at 2:30 a.m.

ok... your comment was idiotic. I hate grantham. I can easily do the work. I just choose to go somewhere were I actually learn something and not from little course guides.

the person above needs a clue or 3 August 7, 2007 at 4:24 p.m.

Is that why you hang around here? You couldn't hack it? To do the work at Grantham does not mean you have to have great intellect. Why would I solve engineering problems? I am not an engineer.

Capital letters are your friend. Is that your stellar GU education at work?

Which dept. do you head?

you are a liar August 9, 2007 at 2:08 p.m.

I am soooo convinced someone with your "skills" makes 100k. I am far from broke and obviously have a better education from a real university.

You know you are a GU clone, who really has nothing to say. That is why the above will be your supposed last comment.

Obviously a liar August 9, 2007 at 3:28 p.m.

You stated no more replies too.

Admittedly I only make 60k, but at entry level, I am happy with that. I have only been at my job 4 months.

Congratulations on your salary obviously you need it to feel you are worthwhile.

Big hugs to you.

Real Alumni here August 9, 2007 at 11:33 p.m.

Hello Old Vet. I'm a relativly young vet myself. :) Only 33.

I can say with all honesty that my Grantham degree has gotten me no where that my military experience did not already put me. My boss flat out told me that he hired me because of my military background. He also told me flat out that had I applied and only had the Grantham degree listed with no military background, he would not have even called me back. I asked him why that was. He pretty much told me, "Why would I hire someone who only had to take open book tests to get their degree? I want someone who went to a real school.". It looks like he read up on Grantham.

Truth be told, I have been past up and past over by former employers because of this degree. I know I have lost job opportunities because of it, and I know that I have lost job promotions because of it. I even tried to transfer to another school half way though because of the negative feed back I was getting by potential employers, but no other school would accept any of the credits I earned from Grantham. Not just one or two courses, but every single course I took. None of them would transfer.

If I had to do it all over again, I would not go with Grantham. Take a look at Fort Hayes State or Old Dominion. They have great, totally online degrees that employers will take seriously. They are not self paced like Granthams are, but they are real courses, given by real instructors, earned from a real University.

Best of luck to you Old Vet, and thanks for your service.

Wrong August 12, 2007 at 5:01 a.m.

"Most individuals don't understand accreditation. the same accrediting bodies that give regional accreditation are the same accrediting bodies for the national accreditation."

Very misleading. Regional accreditation is a more stringent, more accepted level than national is by far. Trying to say they are virtually the same thing is misleading at best.

Tim August 23, 2007 at 4:28 p.m.

I have a question. Is it that Grantham is that bad of a school or is it the national accreditation that's the problem? Are there any national accredited schools with good reputations that students wouldn't have problems with when transferring credit?

to tim is right August 24, 2007 at 5:29 p.m.

The answer is the most honest answer about the "university" here.

I was staff. I liked the sound of an unanswered phone. I did not have time to consistently answer it or return voice mails. So I didn't, part of that is because I had too much other work and didn't have time for students. Sounds strange, considering the University should be about students.

Curious August 30, 2007 at 2:16 a.m.

I have read all of these posts and I am curious why some say the degree is worthless. I e-mailed 3 employers and asked them if a Bachelor's degree in EET from Grantham was sufficient to apply for a job with them and they all said that it was. They all said that they only ensure that the degree is from an accredited organization, whether it be nationally or regionall accredited they didn't care.

To Trisha August 31, 2007 at 2:17 a.m.

If a used car salesman was trying to convice you that the baby poop green Pinto was the most prestigious car on the market today, would you believe him? Probably not, because you did your research on cars before you went shopping.

When the Grantham used car salesman tries to tell you that Grantham is one of the most prestegious degrees on the market today, he/she is trying to SELL you something. Do your research. Contact other schools. See what they say. You will be shocked by the answers you receive from them when you mention the name "Grantham".

Grantham Admission Advisors are nothing more than salesmen. The following is taken directly from the Admissions Advisor job posting on their website. These are two of the "skills" that they require:

Meeting and exceeding pre-established sales / enrollment objectives.

Advanced understanding of consultative selling, uncovering buying decisions and understanding customer needs.

In other words, they are salesmen, NOT advisors and NOT enrollment counselors. They need to meet goals, or they are fired. That's the long and short of it. You are just a number in order for them to keep their job. After you enroll, you will continue to be a number, just under Student Retention now. Aint life grand at Grantham.

To Trisha August 31, 2007 at 5:59 p.m.

Without a doubt, look into Fort Hayes State University. They have a campus in Fort Hayes KS. but you can get your degree 100% online. Regional Accreditation, great staff. It's not self paced, but the instructors actually instruct you. I have no affiliation with FHSU, but have a few friends that went there and they were VERY happy with the experience. Even better news, they are cheaper than Grantham on tuition.

another guy September 3, 2007 at 11:19 p.m.

I say for all you DRANTHAM students if you do leave do the right thing and let upper management know why you're leaving. I think Grantham needs to rethink its support for its students (e.g. Abet & regional accreditation). This should be its #1 goal before 2008.

Do YOU & the other students justics let them know why you're leavibg, going to a better school because that';s what will make them change.

Good luck!

Trisha September 8, 2007 at 3:13 a.m.

Psychology. Thanks for any help. A friend of mine mentioned American Military University and said it was a great school. I haven't heard of it. I looked at Argosy University but it was too expensive.

grantham student September 12, 2007 at 12:33 a.m.

Shahaila "Shay"

I think 6 years is enough time to obtain both ABET and Regional. I started way back when it was said by the school every year they're working on both and NO RESULTS.

Its a great school and they can obtain both if they want too. I think its going to take a loss of students to make it happen so management can rethink its strategy.

I would recommend it however; for engineering w/o ABET and Regional your degree means very little to outside agencies that know about both accreditations and governement jobs trying to hiring you.

just my two cents.

soon to be former grantham student September 15, 2007 at 9:35 p.m.

Former Student,

I agree my electrical engineering degree has no weight for obtaining an Air Force Comiision because it lacks both regional & Abet accreditation.

Unless the obtain these in 2008 I am leaving and going to a school that offers both.

Pareto's law states that 80% of your problems & students will leave unless you fix the 20% (e.g. regional & Abet accreditation).

Sorry GU...you need to "Man up" and fix those two things.

So proud September 18, 2007 at 2:06 a.m.

So proud ryan that you represent our country.

You aren't funny and you are pathetic.

prospective Employee September 19, 2007 at 12:30 a.m.

Of the employees that have posted here were any of you Student Progress Reps? I have been offered a job and would like to know what I would be possibly making an hour an to know if it is worth it. Or should I just walk away from any offer. Thanks

run fast September 19, 2007 at 2:36 a.m.

I was a Student progress rep. At 10.00 an hour and the ridiculous management. You can do much better at McDonald's. I am sure you are qualified to work at a much better place.

Grantham Student September 22, 2007 at 8:40 a.m.

I currently am attending Grantham University and will be completing my degree after next semester. I have read everything on here and most of the threads are things that I have been concerned with myself. However most of the posts on here are misinformed at best. First of all, transferring credits from school to school is never the approach you want to take in the first place. I started my degree when I was in the Marine Corps and until I started with Grantham I was taking classes at whatever school was where I was stationed at. Because of this I now have 5 schools that I have to get transcripts from whenever I need them. As far as transferring credits in the first place. Here in Arizona there are 3 major public schools. University of Arizona, Arizona State and Northern Arizona. University of Arizona will not accept transfer credits for degrees from the majority of classes at the other two schools. It is a matter of curriculum, and of course money. However with that said, I have spoken with multiple state Universities about Law School once I graduate from Grantham. All of them so far, while stressing that the demand for higher LSAT scores would be needed, would take a bachelors degree from ANY accredited university, National or regional. I have also spoken with my own employer and multiple Goverment agencies about employment, in specific the CIA and FBI. My own employer, Texas Instruments, stressed the quality of education that is demonstrated by distance education schools, regional or nationally accredited (Ie. University of Phoenix - regionally accredited). They see these schools as subpar compared to traditional schools. With that said I have been offered a promotion to management after I graduate. As far as the Goverment, while the FBI's website does state regionally accredited schools, the recruiter assured me that a nationally accredited school would suffice for the degree requirement as well, and would be seen just as any other degree.
The best advice that I can give is that if it is available to you go to a traditional school. Grantham's quality of education cannot touch these schools. However, if you are unable to do this, then Grantham is a fine school. What you put into it is what you get out of it. The classes that I took seriously I learned a lot from, the other classes I took the tests, took my A and moved on. If you are considering Grantham then I do recommend it with those cautions, it is an excellent way to complete a degree. The accredidation is there so you are safe knowing that you won't be fired from your job for having a fake degree. Finally once you start your degree with Grantham, finish it. In the end it will take me two years to complete my degree. Once I have my Bachelors the doors are open to me. I plan on continuing my education with possibly other Bachelors degrees, more probably advanced degrees.

Shay September 24, 2007 at 12:48 a.m.

6 years is not always enough time. They were in the process of moving to Kansas City to become regionally accredited because the accrediting agency in that part of the country is more linent with online schools then the one in Louisiana was. Which is why they were moving "part" of the campus up there before the hurricane. I am not saying that it is good or bad. I just know that for a lot of my students it was a good fit. They wanted it either for their Military promotions or to promote within the company they were at. The same company that paid for their education. I know that many many really good employers not only accept the degree but will also pay for it. I know this, not because Grantham told me this, but because I actually got the payment receipts from the employers. My point is that there is so much more out there for the people who worked for Grantham. It is a stepping stone. Use it to your advantage. I left on bad terms with them, but I would never say that students do not get something out of it. Because I believe that the ones who are going into it for the right reasons do get what they came for. I just want to know why anyone would "sell" something or work for something they do not believe in. Doesn't that make you a fraud too?

BS September 24, 2007 at 7:24 p.m.

As I read through the posts, I'm curious..It was suggested back in February that all the people bashing Grantham should contact the Better Business Bureau with their "legitimate" complaints. If all of the negative things I have read about Grantham are true, how come there are no new complaints listed on the BBB site? Could it be that the vast majority of accusations against Grantham are untrue? (Please don't tell me to check some other "bashing website" for the "truth". When I read it on an established, respected website, I'll believe it.)

To BS September 25, 2007 at 10:55 a.m.

About 50% of the negative comments are from the one person that answered you.

TO BS September 25, 2007 at 3:21 p.m.

If you think the BBB is respectable, a GU degree would be perfect for you.

. September 25, 2007 at 11:35 p.m.

Uh, because they are accredited by the DETC?

to Just a guy September 26, 2007 at 2:37 p.m.

Here's a good example: www.cooks.edu

Accreditation not recognized, useless degree. Open-book coursework, no proctored exams. They have never changed the answer keys, so "students" just swap answers; they never actually have to read anything.

I watched a guy get promoted to Engineer, then ultimately Branch Manager with a degree from Cook's. I think he clears 90+K a year in that position. His friends are all engineers, all degrees from Cook's. The sad part is, once everyone found out Cook's was a complete sham (we call it the "Cookie-cutter" degree), the company was powerless to do anything about it.

Mr. B September 30, 2007 at 9:16 p.m.

You cant tell me that someone gets a bogus degree and cant be fired. That's crap. If an employee of mine tells me he has a degree, first, I check up on it. Then, if by some weird ripple in time and space I hire him thinking he has a "real" degree and I find out otherwise, he's gone. Let him say otherwise.

outsider looking in... October 7, 2007 at 5:17 p.m.

To Mr B & Mr E,

FYI...

Grantham is accredited according to the US Dept of Education. Cooks EE program is not so you can not compare these two universities fairly. Grantham is DETC accredited and by law that is no different than a regional facility. Both are not Abet accredited but both do have all the requirements listed for students taking an abet accredited program. This is good!

Grantham does offer proctored exams, not all tests or quizes are open book as mentioned above, and the exams are online. Online tests, you can't swap the answers with other students; once you exit the exam you're test is done so Grantham makes those tests very difficult and hard to cheat on. Honestly, in my opinion, it doesn't matter what univeristy you attend if you're a student if you want it badly you can find ways to cheat to get ahead. Personaly, I believe sooner or later those people will get caught since you can't cheat your way through the job and promotions.

I think employers on here SHOULD give Grantham students a chance...you would be surprised at what they can DO. E.g. I have seen its students build complex ciruits using workbench and troubleshoot those circuits with simulated o-scopes, DMM, etc... Today's technology those simulated oscope made by tecktronix was the same model we use at work. I was so impressed at how realistic it was. Also, math Grantham students study Calc 1,2,and 3 or discrete math, etc (other include physics 1 & 2, C#,C+,C++ all of these with lab exercises). The labs include software such as Microsoft project, Motorola M68000 Microprocessor Developer System, Motorola ASM68K/EMU68K, Microsoft Visual Studio.NET (C++) and more.

My recommendation since I am in management is that you always do your reserach. Most important is accredited univeristies by US dept of Eduucation so if a college is not listed I think its a diploma mill. Abet is another I don't think a college should have the accreditation but its more important it follows Abets critera which Grantham has both of these characteristics.

My point is hire the best qualified candidate no matter where he or she hailed from college. Trye expereince I knew a gentleman hired that graduated from Clemsen Univeristy and was a citadel graduate but was not worth the price we were paying him. Actually my boss hired an online engineering techologist or applied enginner and he was able to get the job done. Bottom line for me is can you get the job done!

so I would interview and hire someone from grantham to give them a chance. It's an accredited university so I would hope you would do the same.

However; I agree a degree from cooks is not accredited so i would have a difficult time with hiring that employee.

Please do not take offense this is just my two cents...

Take care,

Mr. C

Mr C October 8, 2007 at 11:41 p.m.

My point is Grantham University is a legit and accredited college. I would have no problem hiring an individual that graduated from there...must have a positive attitude.

In your case; I see your point and what a waste. Attitude is everything!!!He might of graduated from USC but it means nothing to me if he can;t get the job done. Good lick with that!

BTW...in your case that guy who was an USC graduate really means University of Cook's instead of Carolina. lol!

Sorry for offense to all other USC graduates but this guy does sound like wasted space to me. I would be ashamed if it were me.

just my two humble cents.

Mr. C

Mr. E October 9, 2007 at 3:02 a.m.

Thanks for that, whatever that was.

To Outsider from other Outsider October 10, 2007 at 12:55 a.m.

"My point is hire the best qualified candidate no matter where he or she hailed from college"

I absolutely agree with that statement. I always say that the degree gets you the interview, you and your experience get the job. I personally couldn't tell you where most of my peers graduated from.

That being said, we are one of many large employers that require degrees to be regionally accredited (a higher level than Grantham) as a quality control check.

Many of our positions require professional licensing. Grantham, because of their DETC accreditation, does not qualify in the vast majority of states to be licensed.

For the same money and same effort, you can find a quality distance program that is regionally accredited.

Matt Kimbrell October 10, 2007 at 6:13 a.m.

I think there is one or two people who get on here every day and write terrible things about Grantham to defame them for whatever reason. I don't know why you have such a bad feeling for them, but it is ugly. I am putting my real name and will tell you I am from San Diego and work at Camp Pendleton as an RF Engineer/Program Manager. I graduated from Grantham with a BSEET then from Pepperdine with a MBA.
I wish there was an IP monitor on this site so that you could see that the same discruntled man/woman has been making the majority of the comments. I personally believe it is the same "Jason" that wrote in the ripoff report and that same "Jason" that was on the Grantham online blog via the student/alumni portal saying they were DROPPING OUT of grantham. All I have to say about "Jason" is that you will never finish your degree if you continue to have that attitude.

To all October 10, 2007 at 12:50 p.m.

I wish we did have an IP monitor here. That way you can see how many Grantham IP addresses are posting here. I would bet that over 75% of the "Grantham is great" posts are from employees and management of Grantham itself who monitor all these boards and try to do damage control.

Mr. C October 11, 2007 at 11:58 p.m.

Mr. F

I can assure you that I am not an employee of Grantham University. I simply wanted to give my advice from my management's point of view.

I know people working at TI that are not licensed engineers. Honestly, as long as the college is accredited you can still work as an engineer ut without the license you do not have the title.

just my two cents...

Good luck to everyone!

Mr. E (cont) October 12, 2007 at 12:34 a.m.

Curriculum: Challenging, if not just cruel. The worst classes (time & energy-wise) were:
Precalculus
Calculus I (These 2 will make or break your adventure with Grantham)
Calculus II
Programming in C (labs were a nightmare)
Discrete Math
Programming in C++ (labs were a nightmare)
Physics I (open-book did not save me, I failed the final exam and had to retake)
Physics II

I will admit, I did not enroll in Grantham's EET program with good intentions; I did it to get promoted quickly in my current job. I figured with all of my transfer credit and electronics knowledge I would have the program stitched up in about 6 months. Not only was I wrong, but I thought there for a time I had bitten off more than I could chew. Making the full-time deadline is a challenge into itself, let alone getting past the administrative delays. Now I am in semester 7, 2 years total investment.

So, there it is. A bit of background, and maybe enough to convince you (as if I really care what your twisted, bitter, hateful mind thinks) that I do not work for Grantham.

To To all October 12, 2007 at 11:06 a.m.

O.K. let them find out. I work as an engineer for one of the largest defense contractors and they have always paid for Grantham courses. Yes, the ABET accredidation would certainly help the school and students. That way the graduates could test for professional licenses or apply for many Master Degree Engineering Programs. To those who say the degree is worthless, it hasn't been worthless to me.

Mr. E October 15, 2007 at 11:11 p.m.

LOL.... who are the bigger idiots? Those that use what's available to succeed in their given situations, or those that spend their time spreading lies, trying to rationalize washing out, or getting fired?

Honestly, move on. Go to UoP, maybe you will have better luck there (teaching, rep, student, whatever).

. October 17, 2007 at 2:52 a.m.

Wow, the Grantham employees are out in force today.

Blah October 18, 2007 at 3:29 a.m.

See? Even unbiased statistics tell us that you are a moron. Scientific proof that the insipid and unmotivated will fail no matter where they attend. Stop blaming GU, put on that paper hat, and play your role in this life. SOMEBODY has to take my order, it might as well be you.

"Would you like fries with that?"

Keep saying it to yourself, and you should make managment in no time.

Ha! October 18, 2007 at 2:24 p.m.

Yes, I can only imagine the phone calls....

Hello, I am some guy wanting to attend your school/work for your company, but I won't be actually applying until I finish a 4 year degree. I just wanted to know.... will you hire me/accept me?

What a crock. I would laugh too.

Also, who attends ANY University with intention of transferring to another school? It's like dropping out is already part of the agenda. Make a plan, and stick to it. If the service sucks, bitch, but stay the course.

I too have felt the pangs of intransferrable credit, but it was from regional to regional. These problems you bring up have nothing to do with Grantham.

References October 18, 2007 at 11:56 p.m.

Web Sites for Distance Education
Distance Education & Training Council
detc.org
The national accrediting commission for educational institutions that offer post-secondary distance learning and home study non-degree and degree courses through the master's degree level.

Adult Education and Distance Learner's Resource Center
geteducated.com
They offer the Virtual University Gazette, a free email monthly that describes new academic and corporate distance learning programs and features on distance education.

Distance Education Clearinghouse
uwex.edu/disted/home.html
Distance education news plus more links.

Peterson's Education Center
petersons.com/distancelearning/
Use on-line databases to search for your ideal distance learning course; read articles on various distance learning topics.

United States Distance Learning Association
usdla.org

Wierd October 19, 2007 at 1:31 a.m.

The above taken from
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/busp...

Now, I thought the Federal Trade Commission is a legitimate source of data, but of course, you will refute that as well.

Funny, they don't plug any of the hate blogs as credible resources.... I wonder why?

MAYBE BECAUSE ONLY DROP-OUTS HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY.

Those that finish, move on to get jobs. I seem to be the only graduate that has picked up 2 promotions because of this BSEET... I guess I am the lucky 1 guy that Grantham delivered it's promises to.

OH wait, thats right... I WORKED MY ASS OFF to finish, and solicit the right company to accept it.

You will have so many people around you tell you that something cannot be done; why join in?

This will be my last post here, as the narcissistic fountains of negativity that reside here will never admit the truth: THEY DROPPED OUT UNDER THEIR OWN ACTIONS.

Drop dead, get bent, and go push a mop.

John October 22, 2007 at midnight

Not that is some funny stuff. After all that chest beating he outright admits to having to search for a company to accept his Grantham degree. He would have had no problem if he got his degree from a reputable University.

Another Grantham rejection October 26, 2007 at 6:27 p.m.

From: Sam
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:43 PM
To: Wendy Stewart
Subject: Transfer Credits

Mrs Stewart,

I was planning on taking some online classes with Grantham University over the next two months. Specifically, the computer science track specializing in Information Technology. My plan was to transfer to Miramar College for the spring semester. After reviewing some forums online about Grantham I think its incumbent upon me to see if Miramar College will accept credits from Grantham University.

Is there anyway you could tell me if Miramar College will accept Grantham University credits? The following accreditation of Grantham is provided.

Accreditation - Grantham is accredited by the Accrediting Commission of the Distance Education and Training Council (DETC). The Accrediting Commission of the Distance Education and Training Council is listed by the U.S. Department of Education as a nationally recognized accrediting agency.

Grantham University
www.grantham.edu
Founded 1951
Street Address:
7200 NW 86th Street, Suite M
Kansas City, Missouri 64153

Again, I would very much like to enroll in the spring semester but would like to transfer a few credits from Grantham University. If this will not be possible you would save me a lot of time and eventual frustration.

Thank you for your time.

Samuel

..................and the answer is..................

Hi Sam,
I forwarded your email to our Evaluations department as they are the ones who review incoming coursework to Miramar and this is the response they gave:

We would not accept coursework from Grantham University. The reason being that although they are accredited by DETC, we only accept coursework from schools that are accredited by a regional accrediting bodies i.e. WASC (Western Association of Schools and Colleges), MS (Middle States Association of Schools and Colleges), etc.

If you have any additional questions, please let me know.

Wendy Stewart

San Diego Miramar College

Transfer Center Director

Drew October 30, 2007 at 9:16 p.m.

I've only done two courses through Grantham so far. The other day I decided to do a little bit of research so I typed "Grantham reviews" on google and all the sudden I see ripoffreport.com as one of the first entries. I'm glad I came to my senses before signing up for more courses. I've looked around and so far, it looks like American Military University, and Liberty University will accept these credits. They both cost the same as Grantham but are regionally acredited, and military friendly. Good luck to all.

ex-employee November 20, 2007 at 4:49 a.m.

Sounds like nothing has changed and I started there years ago. It will not get better until management is changed.

soom to be ex-employee November 21, 2007 at 12:04 a.m.

Not all of the Admissions Reps are like "used car salesmen" I happen to care very much about my students.The reps that are like that unfortunately are the ones with the highest numbers because they got their enrollments by desperate means, they lose their payraise if they don't meet goal so some of them stoop to low levels so they don't get a paycut. Depends on if your one of the favorites to be handed leads and go to bases.There is no way to honest way to move up in the company.

d3c0y December 19, 2007 at 4:14 a.m.

I just read through all the postings... I still see now hard evidence for either side here. Not one person provided irrefutable proof (ie scanned documents or uploaded files) for or against this school. I put no faith in sites like this, for all we know the yeas and nays could all be 2 separate people in some sort of exuberant show, although highly unlikely but I see this did occur to some extent. The fact is I believe successful graduates wouldn't bother researching a topic like this or happen upon "forums" this these. Therefore they would not come across this highly questionable site. I honestly feel like I'm wasting my time reading this and now replying. Unfortunately this slander and these rebuttals will delay my enrollment to Grantham but will not rule them out. I guess you could say that all this junk here will ultimately make me a more informed individual.

I love this site! December 19, 2007 at 6:40 p.m.

This site is great. It gives me a say-whatever-I-want-and-get-away-with-it card. Whenever I am frustrated with my studies at CSUN, I can come here and bash this school, it's staff, and online education as a whole and suffer no reprocussions of any kind. 90% of the negative stuff I post is absolute garbage, and I can get the Jerry-Springer crowd to join in. I love it!

Hell, I don't even go to Grantham, but I just love getting you guys good and worked up. Keep on keeping me entertained!

Tired December 20, 2007 at 2:15 p.m.

Get the G_Damn ABET accredidation Grantham!! You have been lying about it for too long. So it takes some work and money, you are a business so improve your business.

Minyan December 31, 2007 at 4:14 a.m.

Why do you base the value of a school on the acceptance of its credits? I went to school to work, not the pipe dream of 5 years from now.

Anonymous December 31, 2007 at 8:26 p.m.

Or, the lies you keep attempting to spread have no validity, and your efforts to shame this university are in vain. All this lip service, and still no new complaints with the DETC, or the BBB.

Find another crusade, Jason.

What's the problem? December 31, 2007 at 10:01 p.m.

I ran across this article from military.com:

http://education.military.com/finding-a-...

Grantham meets the requirements they list (DANTES, DETC, SOC), so whats the big deal?

If you are in a position to go brick and mortar, do so. If not, go to an accredited school. A degree is a degree. The only thing my employers have ever asked is "is your degree accredited?"

If you have a beef, lawyer up, or go to the DETC, CHEA, or BBB and file a formal complaint. How hard is that?

With enough complaints, an accreditor will investigate, or pull. If you want to fight a battle, you really should use the right ammunition. This site has accomplished no more than wasting a lot of people's time.

Marty January 1, 2008 at 10:49 p.m.

I've never had a company ask me if my degree was accredited. They would simply ask me where I got my degree.

Don't worry though, I'm sure they would put your resume listing a Grantham degree in the same pile as someone else with a degree from a well known, reputable university. I mean, why would they not, right?

Experience January 3, 2008 at 12:51 a.m.

Yep, experience......one more thing you don't get at Grantham University.

Grantham University.....where the only thing "hands on" is the keyboard while you are taking open book tests.

Thanks for proving my point.

the new guy January 4, 2008 at 11:48 p.m.

I just heard about Grantham today. As someone planning on getting out of the military, and continuing my education... I was very excited to hear what they had to say. So, what I need is... to hear from someone who actually took/takes classes through Grantham (Preferrably someone from the Air Force) who can honestly tell me what they think. All I need to know is, can this degree really help me get a good job so I can support my family, and can I really use my CCAF degree towards a Bachelor's degree? Thanks!!

the new guy again January 5, 2008 at 9:02 p.m.

Thank you very much for taking the time to leave a response for me. As I said before, I just heard about Grantham yesterday, so I'm still exploring my options. But I feel extremely encouraged at how inexpensive and convienient this program seems at the moment. For the time being, I can't forsee any reason to go farther than a Bachelor's degree, and I can always utilize GU again if/when I do decide to go a step farther, so transferring credits isn't very high on the priority list. Honestly, I don't see a downside. So thanks again for your honest opinion. I will definitely keep your opinion in mind when I do decide how to get a degree.

Why? January 5, 2008 at 10:16 p.m.

Why does the top-rated online university on this site:

http://www.onlinedegreereviews.org/colle...

Share the exact same accreditation as Grantham, but not nearly the bad press that is found here?

The more I read on this blog, the more it really does sound like 2 or 3 "Hater's of the Year" posting over and over again. Can we please hear the opinion of someone else?

OK, please explain January 5, 2008 at 10:51 p.m.

Ok, now that we have established that your individual experience was negative, can you please provide more detail?

What was your degree of choice? How many classes did you take with grantham? What were they, or which specific instructors did not provide assistance? What led you to stop going? Did you try getting help from the student forums? Where are you now, since deciding to persue other options?

Thank you!

Thanks! January 6, 2008 at 12:56 a.m.

Thank you for the background, you have been very helpful.

I don't necessarily agree with everything you have stated, however.

"None of the schools I have spoken with would accept a Regional degree as a pre-req for their Masters program"

-I sincerely hope you meant National.

Your timeline places your enrollment with GU around 2003, am I correct? When did you graduate from your current school? Which school did you wind up settling in after getting "burned" at GU?

Also, I completely agree with you about the BSBA and ASBA programs at GU, UOP, and the like. GU started out as Grantham College of Engineering, and they have seriously forgotten where they came from in the persuit of the almighty dollar. I am sick and tired of every University cashing in on the cheap BSBA program; it has to be one of the easiest programs to get accredited by distance education, and the lowest overhead versus tuition revenue. I hope that any future readers seeking a BSBA or ASBA stick to regional programs (The same for BSCS, and BSCJ), as the whole field seems to be a massive money-grab. I personally would like to see the GU Business College get shut down, so they can focus their attention and staff back to the engineering students.

Again, thank you very much for the background. These posts, I believe, provide people the means to make a more informed decision, versus the "GU SUCKS!" or "GO GU" posts we see littered throughout. The only means for which people have to sort truth from fiction in an anonymous site is through ample detail.

not a grantham employee January 8, 2008 at 11:24 p.m.

PART I:

There are many regional to regional colleges that don't accept transfer credits today. As for the transfer of credits, this has become an old chestnut ("Are you still beating my dog?") of mine. The sine qua non of an institutions quality is not its credit transfer, hence your comments to DETC being a "lower level accreditation"--absurd. Seriously, no one is talking about Grantham but the majority of posts have been about its accreditation.

The real issue has nothing to do with academic quality and more to do with anti-competitive business practices of the receiving institutions (usually regional schools).
In the world of distance learning, it’s a fair statement to say that DETC accreditation is far more stringent and far more thorough than any other accrediting agency for evaluating a distance learning institution. Those CEOs whose online universities which enjoy both DETC and regional accreditation have repeatedly testified that DETC accreditation is the more stringent review.

Having said this, does it mean DETC accredited School Grantham is superior to MIT or Harvard or Penn State? Of course not!

CHEA has the HETA transfer agreement, whereas institutions, these members, don’t discriminate and will consider credits from nationally accredited schools. The list of schools increased to more than 300 and growing. DETC recently did a survey and found that graduates that attempted to transfer credits and degrees, 70% were very successful.

As to the real question "Is regional better than national?" I find to be the wrong question. Nothing makes them better. "Better" is a term that makes a judgment comparing one agency against another, and such a comparison really is impossible. Further, many people feel that the regional agencies accredit many as a house-hold name, famous institutions like Duke and Stanford, it automatically follows that this means the accreditation of these prestigious agencies is somehow "better" than the newcomer nationals.

??? January 9, 2008 at 3:01 a.m.

"DETC recently did a survey and found that graduates that attempted to transfer credits and degrees, 70% were very successful."

So for the same money, same program, same degree, go to a Regionally Accredited institution and get 100% acceptance.

Doubtful January 9, 2008 at 2:53 p.m.

I find that very hard to believe.

%%% January 10, 2008 at 5:13 p.m.

"DETC recently did a survey and found that graduates that attempted to transfer credits and degrees, 70% were very successful."

So for the same money, same program, same degree, go to a Regionally Accredited institution and get 100% acceptance."

There is no such thingg as 100%! This is not true, many regional to regional credits don't transfer. I have not seen hard concrete proof that states all regional to regional coleges transfer 100% credits. How would they make money?

Sorry, that fish doesn't bite!

True January 18, 2008 at 3:21 p.m.

"This is not true, many regional to regional credits don't transfer. I have not seen hard concrete proof that states all regional to regional coleges transfer 100% credits."

The ones that do not transfer are 1 of 2 reasons.

a) The credits don't match the curriculum of the new school, and can be applied to gen eds instead.

b) If you have too many credits to transfer in, you may have problems. Most will require 30+ credits in residence to graduate.

Maybe a better way to say it is that all Regional credits will be considered, but may not match up. Some National credits will be entirely discounted.

What a moron January 20, 2008 at 2:20 p.m.

In one of the reviews above, someone said:

"I've read comments about cheating. Cheating is going to and does happen at any college you attend. Is is easy at Grantham-No! The tests are taken online and Granthams policy is you're not allowed to use text, notes, etc."

Yep, because the Grantham police watch you when you are online.....and they KNOW when you are cheating. Please, they allow cheating by not checking up to make sure proctors are even real people. Anyone can make up an e-mail address and sign a name and Grantham will sent the test right over. As was said above, it's all about the money there. They could case less about your education.

Some employers know this already. The rest are learning....slowly.

reply: moron January 23, 2008 at 10:57 p.m.

This is in response to the individual that posted comments "what a moron"

I like researching and this is what I found in the student handbook. See excerpt below.

"Acceptable proctors include schoolteachers and
principals, librarians, clergy members, education officers in the military, or an education or human resources officer at the student’s workplace."

It doesn't mention anything about sending it to yourself or another email. That sounds absurd! Sorry, I must agree with the moron because I don't see any of the proctors listed above as person's that condone cheating.

My opinion is at any college you attend cheating is going to happen. However; what I have seen Grantham is taking steps to prevent it. taht deserves kudos! It appears the college is doing everything it can to prevent this type of student behavior.

Sorry, your post has no strong facts to prove your point..

this is my two cents!

Harvard February 3, 2008 at 4:55 a.m.

I love this school.. I am lazy, dont like to do much, and love easy grade, the way I see it, If I am not studying to be a doctor, I just need a piece of paper, what better way to do it then Grantham. Amen.

mickie February 8, 2008 at 8:05 p.m.

I'm always having trouble getting what I need from this school. They sure enough call when they want your money though. Do a lot of checking around before enrolling.

Another Grad February 18, 2008 at 7:44 p.m.

Greetings,

I am a AS EET Graduate from Grantham University, and I have 3 more assignments in 1 class to finish my BS EET. I am considering a second BS in Computer Science from Grantham as a result of my positive experiences.

I concur with the above post, and have nothing but a high opinion of anyone who completes a degree online.

I recently served as a guide and mentor to a collegue whom is considering a BS in CS via distance education. He asked of all the universities available, and if there was one program I would recommend. I told him of AIU, Fort Hayes, and all of the other programs available, and in the end he settled in on GU.

The worst offenders of high-pressure sales (from his recent experience) was Univerisity of Phoenix (5 calls per day) and American Intercontinental University (4 calls per day). At no one point did he say he felt pressured from the SPR at Grantham, and of all the universities he contacted, Grantham was the most informative as to what his options are and how to proceed, without signing up. I was especially surprised to hear this, as one of the primary complaints toward GU is their "used car salesmen" techniques.

On a side note, I am especially pleased to see the author of this site add an IP log to this blog. Good going, keep up the good work.

They invented post-its March 9, 2008 at 4:35 a.m.

I used to work for this school. It was interesting to find that they were very interested in that military dough. As a matter of fact, most other students didn't even matter. There were people there who knew more about what money was avilable to military personnel than some of the military personnel did. I remember asking one of the "sales managers" if the students experience was the most important thing. He said no, it's their status so we know they can pay. I guess it is a business though. It's a shame people have to check up on education too just like everything else they purchase. What you are taught in school is supposed to help you feed your family. Not slam you. All the car salesmen terms flying around were a little strange. So many of these people had sold cars! Anyway, with all the turmoil, I wouldnt go to school there. Eventually I was asked to leave as I hadn't sold enough cars, I mean enrolled enough students. When I think of that place, I keep hearing the word rape. Also, I only witnessed sexual harassment once so I can't say that it's rampant.

more research from another accredited body... March 10, 2008 at 11:31 p.m.

Here's another quote from research I found.

"Does accreditation guarantee that credits and degrees can be transferred to another institution?

No. Transferability of credits and degrees is a matter determined by the institution receiving the credits. Transferability depends on several factors. Among them are: the institution at which credits or degrees were earned, how well the credits offered for transfer mesh with the curriculum offered by the institution to which the student wishes to transfer, and how well the student did in the courses. Accreditation speaks only to the first of these factors and, therefore, cannot by itself guarantee transfer of credits; however, many institutions choose to accept transfer credits only from accredited institutions so that transfer of credits from an unaccredited institution may be excluded. Some institutions have specific agreements with other institutions guaranteeing transfer of credits. Anyone planning to transfer credits should, at the earliest opportunity, consult the receiving institution about the transfer before taking the courses for transfer, if possible. For additional information, see Commission Policy 2.5 Policy on Transfer and Award of Academic Credit.

...Accredited Institutions. Accreditation speaks primarily to the first of these considerations, serving as the basic indicator that an institution meets certain minimum standards. Users of accreditation are urged to give careful attention to the accreditation conferred by accrediting bodies recognized by the Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA). CHEA has a formal process of recognition which requires that any accrediting body so recognized must meet the same standards. Under these standards CHEA has recognized a number of accrediting bodies, including:
1. Regional accrediting institutions.
2. Certain national accrediting bodies that accredit various kinds of specialized institutions.
...

You can read all about it and more here:
http://www.nwccu.org/Search/search.htm?s...

As you can read, The Northwest Commission on Colleges and Universities (NWCCU) will accept credits from a national accredited body along with the North Central Association
Commission on Accreditation and School Improvement (NCA).

That's two of the six that accepts transfer credits from national accredited colleges. Please do your research before you post ignorant comments that regional is better when it’s honestly a different form of accreditation based on a specific region. National is nationwide accreditation.

Again, please do your research before you postfiction on here.

Job March 13, 2008 at 10:14 a.m.

Grantham is a wonderful university. It is DECT accredited which is NATIONAL accreditation. That is better than anything out there. It is NATIONALLY accredited by the DOE. DUH! I didn't have any problem transferring my credits to an AACSB university. All of you are just a bunch a slackers who couldn't hack it. I really feel sorry for all you tards that apply for government jobs without checking the applications first. If you want a government job then get a regional degree. I didn't have any problems getting a job with a FORTUNE 500!! If you want a cutting edge business degree then go to GU!

reply to fiction March 14, 2008 at 11:06 p.m.

Fiction?,

What I have stated is factual research. Its not propaganda but your pretty good at laying it on "thick". I have done the research and posted it for all to see the "TRUTH". You and others that bash Grantham are merely propagandists. you use your lies to bolster regional accreditation when it clearly states regional & national accreditation is two differeent types of accreditation. Show us where it states that regional is better than national--please prove your point instead of ignorantly posting fictional opinions.

FACTS are what matters not your opinions! The folks here must have the true facts in order to make the best judgement on his or her education choices.

Sorry fiction? but your facts have been BUSTED; it does not appear to me that Grantham is as bad a school as you made tried to make us all believe. Devil's advocate--I'm sure it has its good and bad points--that's every college! The TRUTH is what I've posted and you can read it for yourself.

Don't Bother March 16, 2008 at 8:30 a.m.

"Ready the e-mails" along with numerous (if not most) posts will waste his, and more tragically, your time in debate. If you are currently in study, do not waste your time here. This is a pointless discussion, with fruitless results.

Get the name right! March 18, 2008 at 12:39 a.m.

DETC

Distance
Education
Training
Council

prospective student March 18, 2008 at 6:36 p.m.

Ive read nearly every post on this forum and it appears to me that for all the bashing of GU there have been no real alteratives offered. Its been said that if your looking forward to getting your masters then this may not be the school for you, so seek regionally accreditated school. For all my research online i've found hundreds of regionally credited school in computer science or business administration. But it seems that there is a real lack of any distance learning BSEE programs, nationally or regionally credited. It seems that the major you select has a real affect on whether your degree from GU is accepted by prospective employers. If your going for a BSIT or MBA there are much better alternatives than GU but for a BSEE there just are not many options online.

Btw any refrences to a regionally accreditied entirely online BSEE program would be appreciated.

Funny, huh March 19, 2008 at 12:45 a.m.

I find it funny that someone will post a "grantham is great" post and then a few minutes later, someone else will post a "I agree with your statement" post. Same person? I think?

Job March 20, 2008 at 6:08 a.m.

Go to Grantham! DETC is just a good as regional if not better. It is the accreditation for all future online programs which traditional schools are offering in boat loads. GU has been around almost 60 years and are leaders in higher education. You get out of it what you put into it. If you are too lazy then please do not garnish the e-halls of GU. We do not want you if you think you are going to get an easy ride. The support is excellent as they respond almost immediately with any queries you might have. The instructors leave great feedback which helps you better your work. This is not like a BS online program like UOP, these tests are proctored so you can't cheat. GU is the real deal!!

Fact check on isle 3 March 20, 2008 at 5:51 p.m.

"It is the accreditation for all future online programs which traditional schools are offering in boat loads."

It is the past accreditation for correspondence programs, mostly vocational. Regionals need to broaden their scope to cover more distance ed programs, given the feverish pace of technological development and the obvious need for distance delivery methods.

"The support is excellent as they respond almost immediately with any queries you might have. The instructors leave great feedback which helps you better your work."

Hit and miss at best. I have had good SPRs that hold true to your statement, but I have also had really bad ones that I had to fire. Instructor support is great, provided that you are dealing with Dr. Nancy Miller, Dexter Malley, Michael Cruz, or David Monahan. These instructors have apparently written the majority of the GU coursework, and are extremely competent and eager to help.

But then there are the bad ones; I will not name them here, but there are quite a few. Over 1 week to answer questions (I am being generous), with little to no resolution without higher staff intervention; retaliation grades (which is unprofessional, but occurs anywhere).

Overall, the asychronous model appears to be based on student participation and independent study (duh), with little to no intervention from the instructors. I am OK with the concept, but some topics (Signals & Systems, Calc II, Control Systems) just didn't click as fast as I think they could have with some additional lecture.

tic tac March 21, 2008 at 7:46 a.m.

Jack... you are wrong about DETC.

Read it and educate yourself.

http://distancelearn.about.com/od/accred...

Online EE March 21, 2008 at 6:34 p.m.

http://le.suny.edu/bee/courses.shtml

Good luck!

tic tac March 22, 2008 at 5:25 a.m.

Wrong thread EE... this is Grantham which is a far cry from SUNY.

DETC is real, but sub-optimal March 22, 2008 at 1:40 p.m.

http://distancelearn.about.com/od/accred...

The Bad – Trouble Transferring

"The biggest problem with DETC accreditation is that regionally accredited schools don't view it as their equal. While credits from regionally accredited schools may transfer to other regionally accredited schools easily, credits from DETC accredited schools are often looked upon with suspicion. Even some schools with DETC accreditation view transcripts from regionally accredited schools as superior. "

piggy back off that March 22, 2008 at 4:09 p.m.

I saw on about.com how trye is this...

"Is online education as effective as classroom study?
60% of online students graduate and receive degrees. In tests of cognitive achievement, online students perform as well as or better than students enrolled in traditional classroom programs."

In todays society,I have attended oth B&M and online and I must agree with this statement.

tic tac March 23, 2008 at 2:58 p.m.

@piggy back off that...

I found your article about onine education... read the very bottom mate.

http://phoenix.about.com/cs/education/a/...

"Information and answers to questions provided by University of Phoenix Online"

ROFLMAO!!!

Thats good! March 23, 2008 at 4:46 p.m.

UOP providing answers, that is hilarious!

Have you guys noticed the UOP logo and google ads that have appeared on this page? What gives? Is the owner taking UOP blood-money now?

Can the site remain unbiased when receiving ad monies from institutions that it swears to deliver information on, good or bad?

We shall see.

tic tac March 26, 2008 at 11:29 a.m.

How am I busted? I'm not allowed to go to other forums? Yes sir you must be right! Hahaha

I went to CSU which also has DETC so I am uniquely qualified to comment on it.

Griffith Letter March 27, 2008 at 1:32 a.m.

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION
OFFICE OF POSTSECONDARY EDUCATION
August 30,2007
To Whom It May Concern:
I have been asked by Mr. Michael P. Lambert, Executive Director of the Accrediting Commission of the Distance Education and Training Council (DETC), to write a letter
explaining the recognition the U.S. Secretary of Education has granted DETC.

DETC is currently listed by the U.S. Secretary of Education as a nationally recognized accrediting agency. DETC has held that status continuously since 1959, just seven
years after the then U.S. Commissioner of Education began to fulfill a statutory requirement to periodically publish a list of nationally recognized accrediting agencies
that the Commissioner/Secretary determines to be reliable authorities regarding the quality of the education or training provided by the institutions and/or programs they
accredit. The current scope of the Secretary's recognition of DETC is the accreditation of postsecondary institutions in the United States that offer degree programs
primarily by the distance education method up to and including the professional doctoral degree.

In order to be recognized by the Secretary, an accrediting agency must demonstrate to the Secretary's satisfaction that it meets the Criteria for Recognition, which are stated in Federal regulation. The Criteria do not differentiate between types of accrediting agencies, so the recognition granted to all types of accrediting agencies-regional, institutional, specialized, and programmatic-is identical. Only the specific scope of
recognition varies according to the type of agency recognized.

If you wish further information about the scope of DETC's recognition by the Secretary, the accrediting agency recognition process, or the Secretary's Criteria for Recognition please feel free to contact me.

Carol A. Griffiths
Accrediting Agency Evaluation Unit
Accreditation and State Liaison

1990 K STREET, N.W., WASHINGTON, D.C. 20006
www.ed.gov

LOL, hopeless March 27, 2008 at 3:22 a.m.

Whatever. Your word, or the Secretary of Education... hmmm. That's a tough one!

I am starting to think the DETC is only looked down upon by you, and the other haters here. My employer has no problem with it. The VA has no problem with it. The Sec Ed has no problem with it. Therefore, I have no problem with it.

Why? I already got my promotion March 27, 2008 at 4:06 a.m.

Why the hell would I waste time and money on a RA degree (when I don't have either) when I can take a NA degree and get promoted for less cost, and relatively less time (no commute, that is a HUGE consideration). I can hang with what I have learned (classes, experience), and once I put 5 or so years experience under my belt the paper will receive little weight when applying for a new job.

Your educational snobbery just doesn't apply to the average guy. They have families. They cannot work, commute, live, and go to a remote campus.

The DETC has provided a legit accreditation for working people to advance in their careers. What else have we got if not this?

If you do not have a family, a job, or a life, then by all means.... GO TO A REGIONAL SCHOOL AND STOP THE BLOGGING!!!

tic tac March 27, 2008 at 9:28 a.m.

It looks like I have an admirer/imposter... you wish you could be me apparently. lol

James March 27, 2008 at 6:48 p.m.

Good link to some useful information concerning accreditation.

http://www.elearners.com/guide-to-online...

Catching Liars in the Act March 29, 2008 at 6:16 p.m.

To the person posting as Student: March 17, 2007 at 7:53 p.m.

You are LYING. You stated that you are in the military and work with civilian contractors and you spoke to a GS-15 about Grantham University. A GS-15 is not a civilian contractor. Any GS employee is a federal employee that works for the federal goverenment and they are not contractors. I know this because I am a federal government GS employee. So stop lying and putting government employees in the middle of your bogus Grantham degree. Here is what I will tell all of you. I am a government employee that works as a tech rep along side military personnel. There is one military individual that works in my division that is taking classes at Grantham. Almost daily this individual tells me how many problems that he has had with this school. I have even seen some of the course material that he has from Grantham and I must admit that it is bogus. Their course cirriculum will never meet Regional Accreditation status. He showed me a report that he had written that he recieved a grade of an A on. I was shocked. Grantham had the format prepaired for him and all he had to do was type. Totally bogus! When I was in college I remember writing 10 to 15 page papers and reports that had to be formated using APA or MLA formatting. The sad thing is that even though he knows that this school is bogus, he trys to encourage other military members to enroll. Im not disgrediting online education because I completed my degree online with a REGIONALLY ACCREDDITED university. Grantham University is Nationally Accredited and believe me, Regional Accreditation is a higher standard. I have seen the cirriculum from Grantham and believe me, the National Accreditation shows very clearly. If you are going to get your degree online or through distance education at least go to a Regionally Accredited university, which Grantham is not.

@Liars March 30, 2008 at 12:29 a.m.

Sir,

I think that is what he meant by it. I too work w/ a GS9 and I too attend Grantham. I can testify we are required to use APA style in writing papers. Yes, in my masters program that all we did was write pages of papers and I had teachers that were easy and many that were tough.

My wife goes to a B&M, RA, and is not an online person. She doesn't want to comprehend the materiel, in my opinion, she likes to be spoon feed as many B&Ms do to students. Its all about experience and a college degree helps get you foot in the door. I have been checking out USAJOBS.com and the government will take either RA or National accredited degrees to include Grantham.

My boss went to a B&M school and consistently I am showing him up as the subject mater expert. It’s a shame as he claims to be an engineer but knows nothing about today’s technological advancements. I'll put my Grantham degree up against anyone who thinks they know computers/electronics...I can run with the heavy hitters--even with my degree from Grantham.

I bet your coworker has not even tried to contact Grantham about his problems. You see many like to complain especially on the Grantham forums but do nothing to try to resolve complaints. Myself, I am very outspoken and I had no problems while attending the university. I am checking into taking the CCE exam for engineers this fall.

Honestly, RA and national are not too different based on my research. RA is based on regions and national is across the US. I can provide it too. I challenge anyone from a RA university to take all 90 of my RA credits from a RA college in IL. If RA is so much better and accepts credits from other RA schools with ease please take me on--prove me wrong!

I bet I get no-one from a RA school that will accept all 90 credits for an EE or EET degree. Why? Colleges have to make money too. I am sorry but RA is not better.

Unbelievable March 30, 2008 at 11:17 a.m.

Most GS employees are idiots. I work with them too. Why do you think they have to hire the Lockheeds, the Raytheons and Boeings to get any decent engineers or projects done. If you want to push paper and pretend your hot sh__t then work for the government. Last time I checked the pay is low and the pensions from back in the old days are gone. I know for a fact the big 3 D-contractors are still promoting Grantham grads. You guys make me laugh.

Catching Liars in the Act March 30, 2008 at 5:50 p.m.

Catching Liars in the Act,
Bottom Line, Grantham is not Regionally Accreditted. As far as contractors go. Lockheed,Raytheaon, Boeing, L3 Vertex, require engineering degrees from Regionally Accreditterd Universities that are accredited by (ABET),which Grantham lacks. As far as government pay, your an idiot if you think that we are poorly paid, As far as retirement; good pension, and TSP that is matched. Bottom line is Grantham is a scam. I don't know why you Granthamers don't want to concieve to the fact that the degree is not what you thought. The university I have my degree from does not have one complaint on Websites such as this. That is because they are a traditional(REAL) university. Why would you sign up with a school like Grantham when you can go to many of the traditional universities that offer distance education? I will tell you why, because traditional universities will not just take anybody and Grantham will. How do you think that I found this Website? It was the poor Granthamers that work under me that showed it to me. Their is a reason that people on this site are complaining about Grantham. As for the guy a couple of post up challenging anyone on his knowledge of computers, I have seen plenty of people who think they know computers but when you start talking to them about software engineering or computer engineering,or the mathematics used behind Cryptograhic algorithms such as Quadratic Sieve Factoring or Gaussian Elimination equations, you know, the typical mathematics and science behind computers; things they dont teach at Grantham, then you find they know zilch. Speaking of Math, I have personally seen Grantham goers taking pre-calculus exams and sitting their using software programs to factor the equations for them. That is a total joke. This kind of crap would not happen at a traditional university even if you are taking an online program because the proctoring is monitored. Since you mentioned contractors, I happen to know a few site managers for some Raytheon, L3Vertex Aerospace, and Lockheed contracts. I am going to give them a call to see just how many Granthamers are employed with them. In the mean time, you should consider going to a traditional university that is Regionally Accredited and has ABET Accreditation for their engineering programs. Their are plenty of them that offer distance education that will be respected and valued. Enough said!

Grantham SAT requirements March 30, 2008 at 8:25 p.m.

Folks,

I did some research and found that Grantham does have SAT requirements. see below:
A home school student who wishes to enroll at Grantham University may apply for admission as a non-degree seeking student and may enroll in no more than four (4) credit hours (undergraduate coursework) per enrollment period. Exceptions may be granted by the Provost for students wishing to enroll in more than four (4) credit hours. The prospective student must also have demonstrated one of the following:

ACT with a minimum average selection index of 18
SAT with a minimum average selection index of 440 Math and 440 English
PSAT with a minimum average selection index of 147
Demonstration of successful completion (grade "C" or higher) of college coursework in which college credit was earned
Provide state verification of minimum 11th grade level competency
Any applicant who is beyond the age of compulsory school attendance and has not completed secondary school through home schooling must meet one of the above criteria to establish eligibility to benefit from instruction at Grantham University. No student below the compulsory age of attendance (17) will be permitted to enroll until it is determined that enrollment won't be detrimental to the student's success. For persons not meeting the requirements for enrollment, a record will be made showing the reasons for acceptance. All exceptions to the above guidelines will be based on review and approval of the record by the University Provost. Students must attain high school diploma or equivalent before being allowed to enroll into a degree program.

I wish folks would do research before they make claims that Grantham doesn't do this or does do that...present only true facts people.

@Grantham is easy....that's why March 30, 2008 at 8:47 p.m.

Bull s**t. Half of the griping around here is from "students" who couldn't do the work.

I personally have failed exams, and I went on bashing crusades as well. Then I realized I just didn't study and prepare enough, and I managed to pass.

Grantham has a 30% retention and graduation rate, period. If it were even close to the case you present, it would be much higher, and there would be no griping here. There have been no lawsuits, complaints with the BBB or DETC, or Federal Investigations. University of Pheonix cannot claim this, and they have the largest online student base in the nation.

If the author of this site were to include anonymous reviews for the brick and mortar schools, you would find the same Jerry-Springer garbage that is littered across EVERY online review.

Also, the "regionally accredited" nugget on the job postings is supervisor specific. I have found listings that specifically list ABET, I am not challenging that fact. However, had I the time to attend a B&M, that is RA and ABET, I would have (and, I may still, after my kids grow up). Between 40+ hours a week, raising 2 kids, and acting as a sole-breadwinner, I just couldn't give up more time in commuting or classwork (lectures). Grantham provided a means to learn, and try to get more competitive in my current title. Even with 6 years of systems engineering experience, I could not hold the title without some form of Bachelors of Science. Now I can.

And, for the record, I have met MORE than my fair share of airheads with RA degrees from great schools. They come in with a chip on both shoulders, and ultimately accomplish nothing. Most of them hold out for that cherry Government job to open up, and park until retirement. In my opinion, more power to them. In the meantime, work still has to get done, and the rest of us have to pick up the slack.

LOL, strike a nerve? March 30, 2008 at 8:58 p.m.

Aww.... did poor little Govt Doosh get his feelings hurt? I am sorry.

I sincerely hope the next administration thins the turds a bit in your ranks. Let us see if your retirement follows the pink-slip.

Spell check on isle 4 March 30, 2008 at 9:12 p.m.

@Catching

prepaired
formated
disgrediting
ACCREDDITED
babel
accreditterd
concieve
their (wrong form)
obviousely

Where did you go to school?

Catching Liars in the Act March 30, 2008 at 9:29 p.m.

To LOL, strike a nerve?
Well I guess we will just sit back and see what happens when the next administration comes in. Thinning out highly unlikely. But in the event of such actions, I will have no problem finding a high level job with my degree from a Regionally Accredited, traditional(Real) university. The only person who's nerve was struck was yours when you read all of this information on your worthless degree from Grantham. What you need to do is stop wasting your time reading this because the word is out that this school is worthless. Spend more time trying to find a Regionally Accredited university to enroll in. Or are you affraid that a real university will be too hard for you to get into. Let me know if you want to know more. For that matter, all of what you have read on this site about your university being a paper mill should be enough.

30% retention/graduation rate March 30, 2008 at 10:19 p.m.

That's pretty freaking sad if you ask me. That just goes to show that people are either:

A: learning that Grantham is a waste of time or,

B: are sick of getting the Grantham run-a-round and are leaving.

It does not say that Grantham is a tough school.

Oh, and I use to work for Grantham several years ago and while they may SAY that they have enrollment requirements, in reality, the only requirement is payment. Thank you, but try again.

@nope March 31, 2008 at 11:39 a.m.

I couldn't have said it better myself.
And that too is all I'm going to say

Job March 31, 2008 at 11:42 p.m.

That's a lie... DETC transfers two thirds of the time according to their own study. It might not transfer to Harvard but it will into 3rd tier schools.

proof was already posted April 1, 2008 at 3:26 a.m.

Anytime that anyone has posted on this board that "so and so will accept Grantham credits", an e-mail has been sent to that school and without fail, every one has said that they WILL NOT accept Grantham credits. That is a far cry from 2/3. Oh, and Job....."DETC transfers two thirds of the time according to their own study"? According to THEIR OWN STUDY!?!?!? Yeah, I'm sure that's not biased. Jeez.

USMC OCS April 1, 2008 at 4:28 a.m.

http://officer.marines.com/page/Officer-...

"Does it matter what college I attended?
The program is available to students or graduates from any accredited four-year college or university. "

Called them up, Grantham is a go.

Go elsewhere April 1, 2008 at 5:07 a.m.

Whatever your major is, there is an online program from a regionally accredited school, for the same price or lower, without the myriad of problems that Grantham has.

To Proof April 1, 2008 at 8:33 a.m.

You sir, are a liar. That is why the names of the contact people at that school were left in the e-mail, so anyone could call or e-mail and get the same information. I stand by what was posted because I am the one who e-mailed every single school that was quoted as taking Grantham credits and each one verified that they would not.

So, what position do you hold at Grantham?

List of successful transfer schools April 1, 2008 at 2:23 p.m.

Here is the short list of schools Grantham students have successfully transferred to, mostly for acceptance into master's programs:

Kaplan
University of Southern California
Fontbonne
California Polytechnic
Harvard (Special circumstance, high GMAT and career got him in)
William Howard Taft University
Nova Southeast University of Phoenix
American Intercontinental Online
Touro College
Capella University
Argosy University
Strayer University
Jones International
Colorado Technical University
Western Governor's University (is NA and RA)
MIT (Sloan school of management, SDM)
Louisiana Tech
Kansas State
Southeastern Louisiana U
Cleveland State U
City University (Wash.)
Liberty University (Va.)
Bellevue University (Neb.)
Salve Regina University (RI)

I am sure there are many, many more; these are the schools my fellow alumni have had success with. The long list can be found here:
http://www.geocities.com/elsupremo1two3/...
Many thanks to "Virus" for researching these.

I looked into moving on to CSUN, but California public schools will not accept a NA degree, but the private schools will.

If you have a school in mind, these are the men to speak with:
Michael P. Lambert, Executive Director
1601 Eighteenth Street NW
Washington, DC 20009-2529
Phone: 202-234-5100
Fax: 202-332-1386
Email: detc@detc.org
Web: www.detc.org

Gary R. Sutter, Ph.D.
Provost
Grantham University
e-mail: sutterg@grantham.edu
(w) 800-955-2527 Ext. 252

Mr. Lambert has been instrumental, along with Dr. Sutter, in getting students accepted into many institutions. Before you enroll, make absolutely sure the school you intend on transferring to will accept the credits.

And, for the last time (psycho), I do not work for Grantham. I am an alumni, and satisfied customer.

You really have to come up with some new ammunition.

at it again April 1, 2008 at 11:46 p.m.

Boy Oh Boy! The Grantham spin doctors are at it again. Just take a look at that list of schools. You have got to be kidding me. I guess the emails that were sent to the reputable schools just did not cut it. First off, why should you have to go thruogh the trouble of getting someone from detc.org to represent on your behalf just to get a reputable institution to accept your Grantham credits? How rediculous! That really says alot about Grantham University.

Sam April 1, 2008 at 11:56 p.m.

I feel I've been fortunant to have found Grantham University. I've never been to college (except for USMC "university", but that's another story), so I can't compare GU to a "brick & mortar".

I will be completed with Semester 4 in about the next couple months. The BSEET degree has guaranteed a promotion to me at my job.

I'm 43 years old with 3 daughters and a wife and a 40+ hour a week job and no way could I go to a B&M school. Even if I had the time for a B&M school, I appreciate more the ability to go at my own pace with GU.

Maybe I have been luckier than most, but the SAs and Instructors (except for a couple) assigned to me, have been superior.

I am no way trying to diminish the importance of other's troubles that have been posted on the board, but I feel GU has been the best way to obtain a home-study degree. Furthermore, I have learned a lot more in mathematics, electronics, chemistry and the other courses offered in my curriculum.

I've had to get some issues resolved and each time it was resolved to my satisfaction. I just think the way it's "gone about it" determines the end result. I always say, "You get more flies with honey than with c.rap."

As far as accredidation; it fits fine with my life's situation. I would highly recommend Grantham University to another.

at it again April 2, 2008 at 12:10 a.m.

The last two post are evidence that the spinsters at Grantham are watching and instantly try to post a rebutall. I wonder how much pay the average Grams spinster makes hanging around eyeballing this site.

The spin Dr.s April 2, 2008 at 12:34 a.m.

Grantham actually has computers in it's break room for employees to post rebuttals to places like this and ropoffreport.com and others. They check it all the time. It's funny to watch. Most employees don't believe the hype, they just need the numbers or DeAnn will fire them.

A vet April 2, 2008 at 5:36 p.m.

@ Spin Dr.

Sir,

Don’t you have better things to do then post ridiculous gossip? You still have no concrete proof other than you own words...others on here HAVE NOT proven any points that regional is better than national. I hope you’re not referring to the 2 year college that posted they don’t accept regional—it is posted on the website. My question is this… Why would you want to transfer to a 2 year community college for?

Also, I’m sorry but regional to regional don’t always transfer credits either. I’ll bet you my paycheck that if emailed they wouldn’t accept my 49 credits from Florida State (its regional). I wish you folks would either prove your point or move on; you wasting up bandwidth here on your childish nonsense.

Also, when you post fiction here it degrades the primary use intended for this website and you’re degrading out military members who attend the university. I will stop you here when I say I am NO way an employee of Grantham or “spinster” as you’ve pointed out others in here.

What do you think you're doing? You should stop and think that Grantham has to be a good school or why else is it supported at the DoD and dept of Ed levels.

You should be supporting our troops and the fact that they decided to go back to college (yes, grantham too) if not you're degrading them and its very unpatriotic of you, sir.

Thank you.

to a vet.....from a vet April 3, 2008 at 12:17 a.m.

First, it is not fiction. MANY e-mails have been posted here by various schools saying that they will not accept Grantham credits. That is nothing new. I do not think that Grantham is a good school.

Being a former employee and a former student I can tell you first hand what they really think of active military. They are a meal card, nothing more. Get as many active military to send in TA as you can. Oh, and ignore the Vets because the VA will only pay half time and most will not enroll when they find that out. Vets are more trouble that active students with TA.

Being a former student I can tell you that EVERY SINGLE school that I have approached asking about my Grantham credits have denied EVERY SINGLE credit I had earned there. I had some community college (RA) courses that I had taken over 15 years ago that they did accept. What does that tell you?

Being a Vet myself, I would like to see other Vets and active duty guys get the most out of their HARD EARNED TA and GI Bill benefits. There are a lot of good RA schools out there that will treat you with the respect and honor that you deserve. Grantham is not one of those schools.

And another thing.... April 3, 2008 at 1:11 a.m.

QUOTE: "regionally accredited do not have the same garbage posted about them"

The blogosphere is still young, give it time. I have found sites for my old college (HPU) with some of the same garbage.

Check out any university on this site and you will find the same niche posting negativity here.

This is why no one hands a megaphone to the retard in the crowd. The legitimate claims get drowned out in the static. What a shame!

"I dropped out of college... YAY"

know you April 3, 2008 at 1:29 a.m.

@ A vet
Your quote "I wish you folks would either prove your point or move on; you wasting up bandwidth here on your childish nonsense".

Don't worry about bandwith because networks are engineered by real network engineers that graduated from regionally accredited universities which teach the proper mathematics to figure bandwith and latency solutions for networks. If you were really affiliated with FSU as you claim you would know that. Your either a Grantham student or graduate.

The Challenge April 3, 2008 at 1:53 a.m.

Please post one legitimate regional university that will accept Grantham's credits or Bachelors. I will gladly send that institution an email and see what the response is. Why do I get the feeling that the answer will be no. I know why! because it has been done before and the rejection emails have already been posted as proof that real universities know the Grantham scam.

Network water-head April 3, 2008 at 4:23 a.m.

"teach the proper mathematics to figure bandwith and latency solutions for networks"

Idiot. This is why blogs are so easy to set up. Only space is a factor, not bandwidth, or any of the buzzwords you threw out there to try and sound smart.

So far we have occupied only 453,120 bytes of this guy's web server. That is a drop in the bucket for 18 months of (very) active blogging. Ah, the wonder of cheap storage.

In reality April 3, 2008 at 5:18 a.m.

The 50/50 rule expired a short time ago. You will see many online universities applying, and gaining RA. "Non Respected" by you, sure (I think you have made that clear), but respect is defined by the individual presenting themselves. If you know your stuff, and kill them at the interview, the education is only validation of that fact.

If you are entry-level, do not go to Grantham. I cannot stress that enough. Let me repeat it: IF YOU ARE ENTRY LEVEL, DO NOT GO TO GRANTHAM!

If you have experience in the field, be it in field engineering, or are a technician looking to move up, Grantham is a perfect opportunity to do so. I can only speak of the BSEET, but the courses offered were genuine, challenging (if not just cruel), and completely relevant in every way to electronics and computer programming. I would not able to do the things that I do at work if I didn't have the Grantham foundation to build on. These principles took me out of electronics maintenance, put me in field engineering (AAS), and carved a spot for me in engineering (BSEET).

But, then again, I read a lot of other books too. I will concede the point that the Grantham curriculum only accounts for about 1/2 of the crap I have packed in my head. I am continually learning through whatever means available, and that comes out in the interview as well.

The Technical Director for our organization himself stated:

"A undergrad is a undergrad. All it shows is an ability for problem-solving. It is up to the person to move from there."

If you want a degree that will set you up for life, fire off that application to Yale, Harvard, or wherever. I think if you had the scores to get in, you would not be wasting your time here.

know you April 3, 2008 at 6:02 a.m.

@ In reality
Actually I'm just sitting in my dorm room here in College Station. My parents took my American Express away so that I could not have any spring break fun so I thought it would be cool to blog a little. Your school still sucks though according to what I have been reading. Hopefully when I graduate I will have Grantham grads as competition when interviewing for jobs. Why are you onliners so frustrated with us real university goers? Oh well, see ya next year.

Patriot card is lame April 3, 2008 at 4:57 p.m.

"Pretty insulting huh? Pretty crappy way to treat the people that you SAY you are trying to help and are out their risking their life. If you want to put money in their pockets, go right ahead, just expect to be trated like that every step of the way."

Nice try. I have overseen the research, and enrollment of a coworker into GU's Computer Science program. I pleaded with him to explore all of the alternative schools listed here, and explained the shortfalls of the DETC acreditation to him in great detail. After all was said and done, he enrolled at GU anyway. Perhaps it is merely because he witnessed my promotion as a result of the GU BSEET, it is a known quantity to him.

At no one point was he made uncomfortable, or felt any pressure to enroll. He was pressured, however, by AIU and UOP on a daily basis.

I have been keeping a close eye on his studeies, mainly to get a feel for any confirmation of the tactics mentioned here. So far he has no complaints, and his SPR and intructors have been very helpful.

The emotional appeal you have presented is lame, and downright pathetic. I don't think a RA can set up shop in Baghdad or Basra, bub.

@ Patriot card is lame April 4, 2008 at 12:56 a.m.

Funny that you pleaded with him to explore other schools after you went there yourself. That says a lot.

More name calling April 4, 2008 at 2:08 a.m.

Yep, more name calling from Grantham employees.

I find it funny that you, and people like you, are quick to say that the e-mails posted are "fakes". I figured you would, that is why the contact information was posted with them for all to see. I really do not care if you believe them or not. They were not posted for you, they were posted for others that were looking into this sham of a school. I'm sure that many potential students have read them and, hopefully, most contacted the other schools to verify the information. See, unlike you, I don't expect people to blindly follow the information that I post. I actually WANT them to follow up and find out for themselves. I encourage them to contact the other schools and ask the questions. I want them to contact potential employers and see what they think of this school. The more potential students that read these posts, the more potential students will be able to make informed decisions about their education. So, you can lead the chearleading section if you want. I'm glad that you do because it makes more people wonder why you feel to need to put down and call names at the people who do not feel like you do. Keep up the good work.

and even more name calling April 4, 2008 at 3:08 a.m.

Keep up the name calling, it just goes to proove my point. Thanks. Calling people who figure out that Grantham is a bad deal and want to transfer out are "traitors"? You really have issues.

70% transfer rate? You need to check your numbers.

Call them fakes or forgeries all you want. They are there for anyone to follow up with. Again, keep up the good work.....rah rah rah Grantham.

Good for you April 4, 2008 at 3:17 a.m.

I'm glad you do. Keep following it. As for me, I believe what other schools and employers think about a school, and Grantham is very low on their list. The DOE can say that everything is equal, but they are not the ones doing the hireing or transfering credits, so until they do, you are out of luck.

The word is out, there are more to come April 4, 2008 at 3:24 a.m.

"No fair padding the numbers DeAnn and George"

Nope. The alumni have caught on to what you have been up to, Jason, and are doing something about it.

Yin and Yang....

Also, out of luck?
I am an engineer now. I win. Woot!!

Good job George April 4, 2008 at 3:33 a.m.

Tell him like it is George. How's that new baby of yours?

OK George April 4, 2008 at 3:42 a.m.

Keep up the good work. This guy is a lieing turd and should be ran out on a rail.

Jason April 4, 2008 at 4:26 a.m.

Look, I give up. I have tried everything to warn you idiots of Grantham, these are all of my posts:

navy student September 19, 2006 at 3:01 p.m.
John Maxwell September 25, 2006 at 2:14 a.m.
Student November 2, 2006 at 7:36 p.m.
Wrong Masuss November 5, 2006 at 4:48 p.m.
rip off November 7, 2006 at 2:47 a.m.
Robert December 16, 2006 at 7:35 a.m.
Robert January 21, 2007 at 4:57 a.m.
Summer January 23, 2007 at 7:32 a.m.
Easy to cheat at Grantham February 6, 2007 at 4:11 a.m.
RIPOFF February 9, 2007 at 7:11 a.m.
TO : Former Student February 27, 2007 at 12:56 p.m
Yeah right March 1, 2007 at 8:25 p.m.
2 Former student March 5, 2007 at 7:30 p.m.
to Former Student March 6, 2007 at 1:50 a.m.
Jason March 9, 2007 at 12:53 p.m.
Hi Management March 11, 2007 at 4:20 p.m.
It makes no sense March 12, 2007 at 12:20 a.m.
To Rose March 12, 2007 at 12:34 a.m.
To Peperdine graduate March 17, 2007 at 3:47 a.m.
BS March 17, 2007 at 10:22 p.m.
To Student March 18, 2007 at 12:15 a.m.
E-mail from another school received March 18, 2007 at 5:34 a.m.
PROOF March 19, 2007 at 3:01 a.m.
Found another e-mail - from ripoffreport.com March 20, 2007 at 11:10 p.m.
To Matt who wrote a review above March 21, 2007 at 2:52 a.m.
To Student - Caught in a lie March 21, 2007 at 11:29 p.m.
To everyone who responded "today" April 2, 2007 at 10:16 p.m.
Sounds good April 3, 2007 at 1:53 a.m.
GRANTHAM PLEASE April 3, 2007 at 4:55 a.m.

Jason April 4, 2008 at 4:30 a.m.

I tried starting this on RIPOFFREPORT.com, and the chronicles, and even brought it to the student forum. My handle was Jsn_Dwyn. My Yahoo Instant Message acct is jsn_dwyn, please feel free to contact me.

I am sick and tired of people defending this sham of a school. Get real people!!

know you April 4, 2008 at 4:57 a.m.

@know you
Your quote "Hopefully Grantham grads will be interviewing you when you look for a job. Bring it, it will be me. You better study, and you better retain something useful.

From what I have seen about your rant on bandwidth, you are nothing more than a parrot for buzzwords. I really hate those.

Good luck in your studies at College Station" You have got to be kidding me right. First off I noticed you said studies at College Station. FYI College Station is the city and Texas A&M is the university. Do you think that your worthless booger paper degree from Grantham is going to stand a chance against a Texas A&M University degree.That has got to be the funniest thing I have heard all semester. Stop fooling yourself. As far as my rant on Bandwith, If you want me to, I can change my major from Computer Engineering to Chemical Engineering. Grantham doesn't even have a school of engineering. You can bring it, as you stated you would to a job interview if you want. Your Grantham degree will just be used to wipe the boogers from your nose from all of the crying you will be doing when you are laughed out the front door. As far as mommy and daddy taking away my allowance, daddy just agreed to upgrade my platinum American Express to the American Express Plum Card. Just face it, your school and degree are worthless. So just get over it. Your school doesn't have any entrance requirements. They simply take anyone. What a joke. national accreditation+no entrance requirement+no ABET = paper mill^2*toilet paper/booger paper

A&M is awesome! April 4, 2008 at 5:09 a.m.

"FYI College Station is the city and Texas A&M is the university"

Duh, I didn't want A&M to pop up on a search for Grantham.... but now that the damage is done...

"As far as mommy and daddy taking away my allowance, daddy just agreed to upgrade my platinum American Express to the American Express Plum Card."

Plum is business..

And, I would not be interviewing against you... I would be interviewing YOU. I like A&M, don't screw that up.

Boredq April 4, 2008 at 5:14 a.m.

"I find it really hard to believe that you are a student of Grantham and have that much time to copy and paste all of that"

I just graduated, and I am having a hard time adjusting to a no-homework lifestyle. I committed 3 hours a night, plus 16 hours on the weekends for 2.5 years to finish this.

I figured while I am in transition, I might as well troll here.

GU S O E April 4, 2008 at 5:19 a.m.

http://www.grantham.edu/academics/colleg...

Grantham started out as Grantham College of Engineering.

Bring that chip April 4, 2008 at 5:31 a.m.

Come on out to Edwards. We shall see what you are capable of.

I have nothing but respect for A&M, what the hell are you doing on a 2-bit tabloid site?

I dunno April 4, 2008 at 5:42 a.m.

refer boredq above.

my two cents April 4, 2008 at 11:58 a.m.

Sir,

The generation these days just don’t do his/her homework. I never said whether or not I was currently enrolled at FSU; I only stated I took classes there. I took your advice an emailed some universities which I will post on here.

This one came from University of Dallas Texas. I also emailed a few others.

Dear Sir or Ma'am,
I am in the military and I am just completing my BSEET degree from Grantham University, a nationally accredited university by DETC. I am thinking of applying for admissions into your university and would like to know what my requirements would be for entrance into one of your graduate programs (e.g. MBA or MS)? Your assistance is greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

Dear ****,

Thank you for your interest in a graduate program here at UTD. I’ve outlined our admission requirements below:

You can apply online here:
Can't post website, not allowed

Admission information for degree seeking

* An official GMAT score report ( Graduate Management Admissions Test) or GRE, no more than seven years old by date of application is required of all applicants who do not possess a Doctoral degree. Currently, our competitive GMAT score is a 580 and for GRE a 1240 (verbal and quantitative only).

* Official transcripts from all colleges or universities attended, certified, signed or stamped by the Registrar and sent directly to the UTD Registrar are required of all candidates for admission. The transcript from the degree granting institution must show conferral of degree. Two copies of each transcript are required from all applicants. For admission consideration, the undergraduate grade point average will be calculated based on the last 60 hours of undergraduate academic course work (on official transcripts). Transcripts must also be submitted from any graduate programs in which the prospective student was enrolled. A resume detailing the applicant’s employment history since high school is required of all applicants.

* Letters of references from 3 people (employers, community leaders, teachers, etc), are required of all applicants.

* An official TOEFL score report (Test of English as a Foreign Language) completed no more than two years prior to application to UTD School of Management is required of all international students. Our required TOEFL score(s) are: 213 computer based; 550 paper based or internet-based 80.

* One page essay outlining the applicant’s academic interests and goals is required.

Please let me know if you have further questions.

Thanks,

Nikki/SOM
Phone 972-883-2750 Fax 972-883-6425
The University and Advising Office now requires that ALL REGISTRATION REQUESTS be transmitted from the student's UTD email account.

in reality on april 3rd April 4, 2008 at 12:45 p.m.

You are correct in your comments. There is only a couple of reasons to attend this university. Number 1 is the reason you have stated. The other is if you cannot attend a traditional university because on your life situation. Family or out of the country. I work for one of the Big 3 D-contractors and they have reimbursed me for every Grantham credit I have taken. It has made a difference in my ability to perform my job as an engineer. I really can't see how anyone can't cheat. If you do find a way, it will be discovered at your first design review. It would be nice if Grantham would get the ABET accreditation. It is possible for them to achieve this.

in reality on april 3rd April 4, 2008 at 2:06 p.m.

O.K. slip of the the keyboard. I meant to say can cheat not can't cheat. Have your fun but I am well rewarded every two weeks and with job satisfaction.

More Details please April 5, 2008 at 8:19 p.m.

I saw this post on ripoff, I am curious of what the circumstances really are.

Grantham has reformatted their completion timelines, that is a fact. You can do any number of classes, sure, but you only have 8 weeks in which to complete the classes.

I have heard this restructuring is a reflection of their efforts to gain Title IV approval (which was approved 2 months ago by the DETC)

Refer: Title IV above, and do a search for Grantham in the document

I highly doubt they would restructure without a legitimate goal in mind (duh), we shall see what they are plotting.

I really don't think 8 weeks is enough time for the majority of the GU BSEET curriculum; I managed to do it, but I have no life.

@clinton April 6, 2008 at 9:16 p.m.

I agree w/ you 100%

Grantham is a real good university for both working, transfer, & freshmen students. I graduated from GU and have had nothing but positive remarks due to my new degree in BSEET.

Thank you GU and I too am a better person having attended this college.

Nicely done! April 7, 2008 at 7:48 p.m.

Outstanding work sir!

Puzzled April 8, 2008 at 1:33 a.m.

I don't understand why people care if others cheat on the proctored exams. They don't count towards your grade anyway. They are to gage if you have learned the course work or can look up the answers, as it would be in the real world. Doesn't affect your grade, so cheat away!!! I personally want to learn the information, so I don't cheat. Ya get what you put into it.

@Spin on April 8, 2008 at 2:12 a.m.

Whatever nutjob! You have admitted to being a fired employee, failed student, and to having an agenda. No matter what is posted here, we can expect you to retort with utter negativity, armed with only doubt. We get it already, you hate this school.

An extension to: Improvement in service

I got my transcript today, which is the only thing my employer needs to promote me. I sent in the request on 3/25/08, and received it today in the mail (4/7/08). Not a bad turnaround at all. I will post when I receive my diploma.

Are any Grads here going to attend the commencement ceremony in June?

retort with the truth April 8, 2008 at 2:29 a.m.

"...............we can expect you to retort with utter negativity, armed with only doubt."

You forgot to add "....and the truth."

@ Spin , @ funny...your bull is called! April 8, 2008 at 11:30 a.m.

Sirs,

Here is the entire email message excluding my personal info. Go ahead and email them, waste your time, Grantham is a legitimate school that FSU accepts as transfer credits for its graduate programs.

Thank you for contacting our office. Sorry for the confusion. If you have already completed some graduate course work we can transfer up to 6 hours towards your graduate degree program.

If you have further questions please let me know.
Sincerely,
Rae S.
Office of Admissions & Records
Florida State University
PO Box 3062400
Tallahassee FL 32306-2400
Phone: 850-644-6200
Website:
-----Original Message-----
From: John.doe@hotmail.com Date:
Monday, April 07, 2008 10:52 AM
To: FSU Graduate Admissions (graduateadmissions@admin.fsu.edu)
Subject: RE: Questions about transfer credits

Mrs. Rae,

Thank you for taking the time to email me. I am not sure I quite understand; so you will accept my bachelor's degree plus 6 hours of course work for transfer? Or FSU only accepts 6 credits from my BSEET? I am confused.

I guess I really need to know do I qualify to be accepted in FSUs graduate programs. If so please let me know...

Thank you

V/R
John Doe

-----Original Message-----
From: FSU Graduate Admissions
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:37 AM
To: John Doe
Subject: RE:'FSUEmail=849-789' Questions about transfer credits

Thank you for contacting our office. I can only speak to graduate programs at FSU. If you wish to pursue your Bachelors here I can transfer your information to an undergraduate officer.
As for the graduate program, you can only transfer 6 hours of course work. You will need to fill out the application, pay the fee, and send us your transcripts. We also require GRE scores.

If you have further questions please let me know.
Sincerely,
Rae S.
Office of Admissions & Records
Florida State University
PO Box 3062400
Tallahassee FL 32306-2400
Phone: 850-644-6200
Website:
-----Original Message-----
From: John.doe@hotmail.com
Date: Thursday, April 03, 2008 11:00 AM
To: gradadms@admin.fsu.edu (gradadms@admin.fsu.edu);
admissions@admin.fsu.edu (admissions@admin.fsu.edu)
Subject: Questions about transfer credits

Dear Sir or Ma'am,

I am in the military and I am just completing my BSEET degree from Grantham University, a nationally accredited university by DETC. I am thinking of applying for admissions into your university and would like to know what my requirements would be for entrance into one of your graduate programs (e.g. MBA or MS)? How many credits transfer or what is the max amount FSU will take if I want to finish my BS with you? Your assistance is greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

V/R

John Doe

@ nice April 8, 2008 at 3:59 p.m.

Do you honestly believe I would give the whole world my name and email. That's dumb...ever heard of id theft.

The email is not forged...email them yourself...waste your own time.

I wanted to prove my point and I did. You sir...still haven't!

thanks,

JD

526K and counting April 8, 2008 at 10:10 p.m.

Over half a Meg, and still no "hard" evidence out there. At least UOPsucks.com can site specific job postings that exempt UOP grads from applying.

This e-mail nonsense gets nothing accomplished; there are too many other factors that would get someone denied for admission. There are too many schools and employers out there for either side to say "majority" or "few"; how do you accurately sample a pool of data that deep without committing a lifetime (or fortune) doing it?

The real way to fight is by complaining to the DETC, BBB, or CHEA if you really have a legit complaint. If you can get a school's acreditation pulled, then you have killed the school. Look what happened to www.cooks.edu

Looks Like Proof April 9, 2008 at 12:02 a.m.

The Caught in the act posting above is sure proof based on what I have been reading. All of the emails that were sent to real universities and the returned rejections from those schools plus the information above that came from Florida State's Website. It clearly states that you have to have a Bachelors from a regionally accredited institution in order for it to be used as a credential to get into graduate studies at FSU. Grantham is nationally accredited so what everyone is saying about there credits or degree has simply been proven. Stop kidding yourselves into believing that a Grantham degree is worth the hardwork or must I say easy work if the claims of cheating and junk curriculum are true as many have claimed here. If you persist on distance education why not go to a traditional school that offers online education. To me it just seems more logical. Stop getting scammed by Grantham because it seems as if the degree won't be accepted so why waste the money.

fact April 9, 2008 at 3:04 a.m.

@ caught
You can say what you want but the discretion is pretty much layed out in front of you by them saying the following:

subject to minimum standards adopted by the Board of Governors of the State University System of Florida. In order to meet these minimum standards, applicants must have, or be a candidate for, a bachelor's degree or equivalent from a regionally accredited institution and meet at least one of the following criteria:

Do you honestly think that those standards are going to be altered. If that is the minimum standards required then a Grantham degree does not meet those requirements because they do not have regional accreditation. Those rules are what they go by and I highly doubt that they will bend them for Grantham so get over it. The degree will not transfer to a legit institution!

JD here April 9, 2008 at 11:24 a.m.

All I am going to say to you naysayers is email FSU yourself and you'll get the same email as I did--if your honest.

I've proved my point.

A Grantham alumni April 9, 2008 at 12:05 p.m.

I must say my experiences with Grantham were above any other college I’ve attended. I give them a 9 rating out of 10! I did my research before I entered the school and found it is accredited. As a military member, the DoD or jobs I’ve looked at in the private sector doesn’t care if my degree is regional/national accredited but only that its accredited. Is one better than the other—my opinion is NO!

I had no problems with instructors, the materials, or had the opportunity to cheat. I made some good study buddies on the forum. My proctored exams were scheduled at the base education center--I couldn’t cheat. I have in the past attended a B&M school and honestly, any student who has attended a B&M knows you can cheat if you wanted to.

Sooner or later no matter what college it is if you cheat you will get caught—even at Texas A&M. Could I easily cheat while attending Grantham-NO! The tests were not open book and randomly generated. My tests were graded by computer and grades were posted.

The subjects are not easy (physics 1,2 and calc 1,2, etc)...B&Ms teach from power points/lectures. Online, your lectures come from the book and instructors. I felt I got my money worth.

It’s ridiculous how dumb those posts have become. The guy here is posting all kinds of crap about Grantham. You should be ashamed, dude!
Grantham is legitimate and I’m proud to call myself an alumni. Folks don't listen to all the negative hype this guy has posted on here--he's ignorant!

A quote from comedian Ron White about sums him up, "You can't fix stupid!"

Semper fi!

its proven... April 9, 2008 at 2:55 p.m.

dude!

FSU clearly emailed JD and accepted Granthams credits. national is accepted by most schools...its been proven!

to: it's proven April 10, 2008 at 1:27 a.m.

Funny how you accept "JD's" single e-mail without a question but refute the MANY e-mails that were posted saying that Grantham credits would not be accepted.

You employees need to try better than that.

that's right again April 10, 2008 at 3:58 a.m.

Oh, and one more thing!
Grantham spin doctors, please utilize the spell check tool option on your workstations. You folks are giving away too many clues when you try to refute wrecklessly.

@ all active duty and retired military April 11, 2008 at 11:11 a.m.

Please read page 6 of the link provided below. This may or may not help any active or retired military members attending a university accredited by the DETC. Thank you.

http://www.detc.org/military/downloads/2...

Most? April 11, 2008 at 1:56 p.m.

How is 30% "Most"?!!!!

Gotcha! April 12, 2008 at 6:07 a.m.

Hello Lin, former employee and failed student. I have finally tracked you down (it was pepperdine that gave you away)

Here is Lin's e-mail:

Simplisticreign@yahoo.com

BWAHAHAHAHA

to:Gotcha! April 12, 2008 at 12:43 p.m.

Wow, you really are a detective on par with Holmes. What gave that person away? Was is the fact that she PUT her name down or the fact that she PUT her e-mail address down?

You employees are really reaching now. The lady put all that information in the report. Do you think you are some great clue finder because you were able to read it AT THE TOP OF THE REPORT????

Besides, everything that she wrote was true, including the e-mail from Pepperdine that she posted.

You really are a retard.

To Lin April 12, 2008 at 3:23 p.m.

"You really are a retard."

It all makes sense now. No one would take hate blogging this far except a woman scorned.

This is why I don't hire women in general, NA or RA. They screw up, get fired, and take on some damn fool crusade to try and get "even".

Find something better to do with your time, Lin.

Grammar April 12, 2008 at 7:17 p.m.

"which is holds National Accreditation"

That didn't help.

1 more thing (sorry) April 12, 2008 at 7:24 p.m.

JD's e-mail seemed genuine, and assumed nothing. THAT is the way to approach a registrar. The only way he could have really peaked her attention was to include a copy of his resume, and transcript.

no difference April 12, 2008 at 9:28 p.m.

Since the Grantham degree holders and Grantham employees think that grammer played a part in the type of response that was recieved, why don't we send them another email. There was nothing cold about the way the question was asked. It was straight forward. The sender wants to know if a Grantham degree will get them into a Masters program at FSU. As far as specifying which national accreditor, that doesn't matter. National is national no matter what accrediting body it is. The obvious thing here is that Grantham credits and degrees are hard or nearly impossible to transfer to legitimate regional schools.It has been proven in all of the emails that have been posted.

Logical errors April 12, 2008 at 11:57 p.m.

QUOTE: "The obvious thing here is that Grantham credits and degrees are hard or nearly impossible to transfer to legitimate regional schools. It has been proven in all of the emails that have been posted."

Your sample pool of data is nowhere near deep enough to make that claim or draw that conclusion. The DETC has sampled the data, successes and failures alike, for a result of 70%. They have published the findings, and the DOE concurs.

Your claim is biased, as the successes are omitted to support your claim. Additionally, this site is biased as Graduates will not waste the time to blog about a school they are happy with.

Logical fallacy: Hasty Generalization
Reference: http://www.fallacyfiles.org/hastygen.htm...

JD move on April 13, 2008 at 4:10 a.m.

You can say what you want and do all of the name calling you want, but the fact of the matter is the last email to FSU is REAL. Legitimate regionals are not buying the Gram Scam. So move on JD. Since your Bachelors will not transfer to a legitimate regional, maybe you should consider graduate studies at Grantham.

Thats strange April 13, 2008 at 5:32 a.m.

There is no such creature as a "standard national accreditation transcript". Each school is free to offer whatever classes it chooses, it is the delivery method, bookeeping, and curriculum that is judged.

A BSEET from GU parallels all that I have seen from other schools offering the same degree (ITT, DeVry, UOP).

Also, it is apparent, and had been for some time now, the e-mails you so boringly like to quote are nothing more than 2-bit forgeries laid out in Outlook format. An e-mail is no more credible on a blog than my claim as President of the United States.

Furthermore, why the hell do you focus on the DETC as much as you do? That horse has been beat over, and over, and over again throughout every school on this forum. The DETC has backed Military-friendly schools for a very long time now (to include Marine Corps Institute, a factor in promotion in every enlisted rank). You are not attacking Grantham, the employer that fired you and the school that kicked your retarded butt out (deee dee deee), but every DETC school out there.

But, keep marching on with that megaphone of yours.

"I got fired and kicked out of college, YAY!!!"

saxinthecity April 13, 2008 at 12:12 p.m.

It appears that anyone associated with Grantham are negative liars.

I would advise all military to run far away from these second-rate, money-grubbing so-called schools and save their money for actual college. It is a waste of time and money to "pretend" you are going to college, when, in fact, you are only throwing your money away. [Don't be fooled by the those who think they are getting a head start on their education. They would be better off using their tuition to play the lottery. Truly!]

Military folks should concentrate on doing their military service NOW, and put off their education until they are out of the military when they can give full time to their studies. You will have a much better experience if you plan on getting your degree from a State University. Many colleges now expect students to get their first two years out of the way at their local Community College, and then transfer the credits over to a State University for your final degree, but your degrees (AA or AS from the Community College and BA or BS from your State University) will be GOLD. There is no problem transferring credits IF you check with both schools as you go along. Use the student services officer at the University to make sure your CC credits are transferable. It only takes a 5-minute meeting to make sure you are on track. From then on, you can do it on the phone.

Understand that almost all core curriculum (English, history, algebra, psychology, sociology) is transferable, however if you take a class in under-water marble-stacking, it may not be transferable for a computer science degree. Many folks who "gripe" about having credits that are not transferable have changed their major, and neglect to realize that certain classes are not associated with all degrees. Yes, English applies to ALL degrees, but square-dance class does not transfer to Economics. Sorry, but you have to be responsible and reasonable. Don't act squirrelly and then complain to try to get sympathy. You usually won't have to choose a major until your second year, but once you pick it, understand that if you change it, it might cost you in time and money, if some of the classes are not transferable. [I had no problem transferring over every single class, but then I made sure they were all transferable BEFORE I took them, and I stayed with the same major. I had no desire to make a career out of school. I took 15 to 18 hours, and went summers and was out in two and a half years (with honors).]

Forget this Grantham business, and Apollo, and ITT, and University of Phoenix. All they do is advertise and take your money. GO TO A STATE UNIVERSITY

Guys! Think of your favorite SPORTS STARS and check where they went! Then, check out the schools where they went. [Try for the best and forget these "matchbook cover" outfits. Stick with the real thing, and keep trying until you make it. You will most probably "fit" the school that accepts you.]

Traditionalist Propaganda April 13, 2008 at 10:18 p.m.

And the two above posts illustrate the battle between traditionalists and onliners.

Education is at a turning point, a gold-rush in my mind. SUNY was given a heap of money to produce a 100% online, ABET and RA BSEE program. It is supposed to receive said accreditation once the first graduating class cycles through in 18 months.

Once that program is online, I intend on enrolling (transfer acceptance or no). Until then, there are no options available for the electronics career fields (face it, State-ran universities have a hard-on for the EE and will not specialize). This is why the for-profits are so appealing. That damn "or military equivalent" nugget is such a hard point to get across due to the varying depth of the military technical fields, but everyone understands a BSEET coupled with military experience.

Like it or not, the B&M's are going down. With campus rapes, robberies, and shootings, who the hell would want to deal with that crap?

Traditionalists, as I like to call them, can be expected to resist change. That is what you are here for, and that is absolutely fine. Conservation is also a good thing, but I have to believe that a delivery method that doesn't require a commute, parking fees, and navigation to a classroom so some jerkoff can read off of power-point slides while stupid people keep asking stupid questions.

In either case, I wish anyone pursuing a degree the very best, either B&M or Online. I don't understand (aside from the anti-competitive angle) why anyone would be so hell-bent on stopping a guy (or girl) from picking up a book and learning something new.

Real April 14, 2008 at 3:05 a.m.

@ Traditionalist Propaganda
Nobody is saying that online education is not the way to go. Like the "Thank You" post said, if you are going to consider distance education, enroll into one of the many traditional schools that offer online education. Some of the top universities in the nation offer 100% online degree programs. Why get scammed and pay all that money to Grantham for something that will have no value. As the person above stated, "Take your chances and roll the dice" if you want but it will be a very expensive gamble. Even if you using TA from the military to pay for it, still its your time invested as well.

Aaron April 15, 2008 at 8:24 p.m.

Just as an FYI... I had gone to a regionally accredited brick and mortar school, when I tried to transfer to a local school who is regionally accredited by the same organization, they would only accept 30 of my 90 credits. Another regionally accredited school accepted 60. It all depends on the school.

When they transfer credit, they lose money. Really the only time you need to worry about Regional Accreditation is if you don't plan on finishing your degree at that school. If you go to grad school, some may accept it, some may not, I haven't really looked into it. For the EE program, regional doesn't really matter as much as ABET, just as ABA for law school.

Grantham Sucks April 16, 2008 at 2:52 a.m.

Please folks,
Grantham is a low tier Nationally accredited business, not a university. That is why I know that half of you Grantham grads here blogging claiming to be engineers are liars. Just like the Propaganda person a few post up. He is the one who posted ABET sucks! He is the one that keeps giving all of the lip service about SUNY. What you should have done is gone to regionally accredited school that has ABET accreditation to begin with. Im so glad that my agency only hires engineers that graduated from regionally accredited schools. That is a great way to filter out the Grantham riff raff. You Grantham students and grads need not sit around and hold your breath for ABET accreditation because it wont happen. If it were it would have happened a long time ago. Grantham is a scam and everyone knows this.

The Honest Truth April 16, 2008 at 2:22 p.m.

Also,

The reason I keep plugging SUNY is because in 1.5 years, it will mark the first, and only, 100% online BS Electrical Engineering degree program that is RA and ABET accredited. That is the program I am holding my breath for, as they have a great deal of financial backing and attention. I can't wait!

? April 16, 2008 at 11:39 p.m.

So why troll here if you have no online experience to speak of? This is a Grantham review page, and you have no background on the matter; have you simply come to bash those that follow an alternate delivery method by principle alone?

sup April 17, 2008 at 1:55 a.m.

What kind of programing is required for helos?

Great! April 17, 2008 at 4:06 p.m.

I don't understand exactly what you are getting at....

I worked I-level on 53's, 46's, Cobras, & Hueys. We had the occasional CDU pop in from C-130, but my old unit was meant for rotary wing support, my MOS was specific to Comm/Nav (RADALT, IFF, TACAN, COMM, etc).

The Marines are still the only branch to do component-level troubleshooting on the older avionics (APX-72's, 100's, ARN-105's). I beleive it was a product of our budget; we just couldn't buy new equipment, so we fixed what we could and took the cast-off's from the Navy when they upgraded.

What Service/Unit were you with?

ABET April 18, 2008 at 7:38 p.m.

ABET does not come easily.

Deadlines and Due Dates

The ABET accreditation cycle is approximately one-and-a-half years from beginning to end. The following is a brief outline of the activities and important dates that occur during this cycle. Contact us for more information.

January

Institution requests accreditation evaluation for program(s). Deadline to submit request for evaluation visit to take place in fall is January 31.

February - June

Institution prepares self-study. Self-study reports for evaluations visit to take place in fall must be received by ABET headquarters no later than July 1.

March - June

ABET commissions assign visit team chair(s) and visit team members. Visit date(s) is chosen.

July

Institution submits self-study. Deadline to submit self-study for evaluation visit to take place in fall is July 1.

September - December

Evaluation visit(s) takes place on institution's campus. ABET team presents factual findings orally on campus. Then, following a 7-day response period for the institution to report errors of fact or observation, the team finalizes and submits its preliminary findings and recommendations (called a "draft statement") to the leadership of the appropriate commission for editing.

December - February

Draft statements are edited and sent to the institution for response.

February - April

Institution responds to draft statement(s) within 30 days.

May - June

Final changes are made to draft statement(s) if necessary, based on institutional response. Statement(s) is finalized.

July

Annual Summer Commission Meeting held. Commissioners review final statement(s) and determine final accreditation action(s).

August

Institution is notified of final accreditation action(s).

to ABET April 22, 2008 at 6:19 p.m.

ABET is a PROFESSIONAL ACCREDITING BODY... not national. Learn the difference before you sound like an idiot again.

Grantham is not a joke! April 22, 2008 at 10:44 p.m.

Hello all,

I’m a Grantham grad and currently serving our great military. I've been reading many posts here and I am disappointed at all the Grantham bashing going on here. I was just accepted to AT Sill University, school of health care management for the PhD program—its regional accredited! I had no problems with transfer credits—all were accepted. I’m actually pretty psyched about it and thinking of using my GI Bill to help finance my education.

I did it using a master’s degree from Grantham University and I had no problem applying or being accepted. I'm not here to knock down people, the school, or even accreditation—that’s not me. Actually, I want to give my honest assessment for other students on this site who are looking to apply here. I am proud to have graduated from a national accredited school. I would recommend Grantham to everyone; I had nothing but positive results.

just wanted to share that with you…

Take care all,

TJ

sorry April 23, 2008 at 4:43 p.m.

Sorry dude,

I mispelled it; try ATSU or AT Still University. It appreas to be a good school so I'll be trying that for a while and probably go onto teach somewhere--thats the plans!

Good luck!

TJ

tic tac April 24, 2008 at 7:10 a.m.

DETC isn't recognized in Texas, they call it "substandard."

to ABET retard April 26, 2008 at 5:28 a.m.

CHEA Specialized and Professional Accrediting
Organizations 2007-2008

Second on the list...

http://www.chea.org/Directories/special....

From the website...

"ABET accreditation is assurance that a college or university program meets the quality standards established by the PROFESSION for which it prepares its students... ABET accredits postsecondary degree-granting programs housed within regionally accredited institutions. ABET accredits programs only, not degrees, departments, colleges, or institutions."

It only accredits programs INSIDE regionally accredited schools. It won't touch nationally accredited schools because they are substandard.

To: For Jason April 27, 2008 at 1:51 a.m.

Wow, you guys at Grantham are getting really desperate. You mean to tell me that you are trying to convince people that every negative post on this site is the work of one person? You guys really do have a damage control team in place. If you don't have time for postings, why do you always seem to pop up after some truth has been told and all you do is name call and attack. Truly pathetic.

Anyway, Say hi to DeAnn, George and Tom.

TO: Sorry, AKA Jason April 27, 2008 at 2:26 p.m.

Moron 1. a mentally retarded person with a mental age between 7 an 12 years or an intelligence quotient between 50 and 72. 2. A particularly stupid person.

Which one are you? Not all the statements posted are true, that is fact. Jason who is the Navy has compile his list of posting. It is very clear he is unhappy with this school.

For us people who are serious about education, you morons have cluttered this blog with useless information.

Jason Who April 27, 2008 at 9:47 p.m.

Who is Jason and why is he being blamed for exposing this pathetic school's scam tactics. It makes no difference who Jason is because he is not the one that is responsible for all of the negative postings here. Please folks! You Grantahm students and grads are being scammed or have been scammed I should say. Grantham is a joke and that is the bottom line. The word is out so just face it, Your school is worthless and is not respected in society. National says it all. Believe me Im not Jason. How pathetic! Gratham = not respected in the real world. So get over it and move on

to: please April 27, 2008 at 10:16 p.m.

Yep, more typical "Grantham employee" BS. Is that all you people can do is name call?

Here is the typical Grantham response:

Grantham student: "I'm not happy with the way that Grantham is doing......XYZ."

Person above: "Yeah, well, you are a stupid head. Everyone else is happy with Grantham. You're a moron and are ugly and smell."

Grantham student: "Um, no, I'm not. I'm just not happy with the way I've been treated. I can't transfer my credits and no one at the school is helping me after I've paid all my money."

Person above: "You are the only one having problems. Everyone else is happy. Not only that, you're a poo head and can't even tie your own shoes. Oh, and you still live with your mom."

Geez man, get a life. People actually have a problem with your school and instead of having an intelligent discussion and trying to fix the problem, all you do is name call. If this is how you treat all of your problems, it's no wonder so many of your students are unhappy.

to above April 27, 2008 at 11:42 p.m.

Yep, I'm convinced that Grantham is right for me now. Good job.

You're one to talk! April 28, 2008 at 2:14 a.m.

"Geez man, get a life. People actually have a problem with your school and instead of having an intelligent discussion and trying to fix the problem, all you do is name call. If this is how you treat all of your problems, it's no wonder so many of your students are unhappy."

Every retort you have in your arsenal begins with "Yep, more grantham employees _______".

You have not provided any evidence to support your claim, and so many of us have profited from this degree program (BSEET). We get it, you had a bad experience working for them, and studying under them. I am sorry you were fired, and subsequently had to adjust your study goals.

I have never had a single problem with them, neither through professional advancement via my current employer, nor with the faculty and program. The course material was in no way outdated (Modern Control Systems and Signals & Systems Theory actually came with MATLAB 2007a, fully registered).

Abandon this foolish crusade, it is simply not working. You have exposed yourself as a fraud, and your attempts to discredit this business are in vain.

above posting April 28, 2008 at 2:46 a.m.

You are more of a moron than the last guy. You are not only a moron, but are stupid too. I love Grantham as does all of my friends. We have had nothing but good results from our Grantham degrees. In fact, I receive a huge promotion and pay raise because of my degree. You are dumb. Please don't post your anti-Grantham hate here. Obviously, you failed out and are trying to get even. You are ignorant and ugly.

Here we go again.... April 28, 2008 at 3:30 a.m.

Quote: "kind of school you work for"

again with the "Yep, more Grantham Employees _______"

Dude, I don't work for fricken Grantham. Any positive poster is immediately discredited with "grantham employee." This tactic reveals your intentions and bias; this is why you are a fraud.

Curriculum April 28, 2008 at 3:26 p.m.

You cited the following classes:

Applied Mathematics
Linear Systems
Electromechanical Energy Conversion
Digital Systems Engineering
Computer Applications for Electrical Engineers
Thermodynamics
Advanced Digital Systems
Digital Signal Processing
Solid-State Devices

And I can personally validate the following WERE included in my studies:

Solid-state devices (EE221, EE220)
Digital Signal Processing (EE380, EE381, MATLAB included)
Advanced Digital Systems (CE220, EE490)
Linear Systems (EE490)
Applied Mathematics (MA113, MA141, MA302, MA312, MA315)

The paranthetical references are the Grantham courses, here are the names:

EE221 - Solid-State Circuit Analysis Lab (Multisim)
EE220 - Solid-State Circuit Analysis
EE380 - Signals & Systems Theory (MATLAB, differential equations based)
EE381 - Signals & Systems Lab
EE490 - Control Systems (Linear Time Invariant Systems, differential equation based math, outch!)
MA113 - Mathmatics for Basic Circuit Analysis
MA141 - Precalculus
MA302 - Calculus I (Derivatives, Integrals, Limits, etc)
MA312 - Calculus II (Partial derivatives, multiple Integrals, vector calculus, various multivariable calc)
CE220 - Computer Technology (nasty low level, really detailed as to the inner workings of Modern PC's down to t-states)
MA315 - Discrete Mathematics (great intro for program complexity and logical reasoning)

Also, I was required to take:
CS263 - Programming in C (Visual Studio 2005, I wished they had used Borland Builder)
CS265 - Programming in C++
CE262 - Microprocessor Systems Engineering (chipset-based assembly languages, along with all of the low-level IO calls, and DOS interrupts)
CS216 - Computer Networks (7-layer OSI model, and basic networking techniques using star-wired, parallel, and parallel star-wired network topology).

I have ISBN's if you need them.

The only outdated (in my opinion) class I was unhappy with was EE136 (Antennas, Transmission Lines, Microwaves). This was a great intro to source to load impedance matching using Smith charts, waveguide, and the characteristics of RF as it applies to radiation and reception through free space. The manual for this class was a Grantham-based loose-leaf booklet (approximately 600 pages), but I have heard the new text has been updated (if anyone has the ISBN, please post it here).

The rest are missing, but this is a Technology degree, NOT an engineering degree.

BS Electrical Engineering = Theoretical Engineer
BS Electronics Engineering Technology = Applied Engineer

I really can't stress that last point enough to the people reading these posts. If you are a white-board kinda person with focus on theoretical engineering, DO NOT GO TO GRANTHAM.

The only beef I have with these folks is the ABET issue. My employer does not seem to care, but I know it will jam up the works later if I don't rack up at least 5 years of experience before my next move.

To Joe April 28, 2008 at 9:05 p.m.

If it were a Electrical Engineering curriculum, I would totally agree with you.

I have sait it numerous times, so what is once more. If you have no prior electronics experience, DO NOT GO TO GRANTHAM.

Simulations only (NI multisim, MATLAB, etc) reinforce experience. If you are just starting out, DO NOT GO TO GRANTHAM. GRANTHAM WILL GET YOU KILLED. They do not cover safety for neither you, or your equipment.

There is only one class of people that should take a curriculum like this on, and that is prior experience military (or civilian) that are trying to shake the military equivalent off of their resume. If you are changing careers, fresh out of high-school, or have no electronics experience DO NOT GO TO GRANTHAM. The curriculum assumes enough background that you will have a difficult (if not impossible) time succeeding in your studies.

"The best they could do is send you a circuit board and tell you how to soder it!"

-I think Cleveland Institute of Electronics uses this method. Breadboard & components, mail in the result.

To Joe (Again, Again) April 28, 2008 at 9:12 p.m.

The above was taken from the CSU site, here is the link:

http://www.onlinedegreereviews.org/colle...

To Joe April 28, 2008 at 10:03 p.m.

I think he means what area—power, controls, telecom, or signals. Electronics is sometimes referred to as electrical and electronic engineering. The distinction is that electrical engineers are usually concerned with using electricity to transmit high energy(power transformers), while electronic engineers are concerned with using electricity to transmit information (NIC).

Honestly, who are we to place limits on how universities use technology. I must agree that online simulation is the safest and best way to perform all labs. You will get all the time to put everything you leanred to practice once you get hired. Any idiot can solder and you don’t need a full semester soldering 101 to figure that out. I believe labs are important but how the method of delivery is achieved is not. The bottom line is did the information or lab do what it was intended to do.

The Army use simulation for weapons training and have had tremendous results so should we go back to the old ways of training since online simulations are substandard—I think not! Also, the Air Force ill be using digital 3D dental xrays to train doctors in dentristry. It only makes sesne—why expose patients and staff to low energy radiation in order to achieve training when an online simulation performs the same results.

Just my two cents…

WUP April 29, 2008 at 12:12 a.m.

@ above posting

You stated:"We have had nothing but good results from our Grantham degrees. In fact, I receive a huge promotion and pay raise because of my degree"

So what, now you run the milkshake machine instead of the fry cooker at your local Dairy Queen. BIG DEAL! Your really going places with your Grantham credentials.

Grantham Rocks! April 29, 2008 at 1:14 a.m.

I went from flipping burgers to soldering circuit boards with my Grantham degree!

To Joe April 29, 2008 at 9:37 p.m.

Joe,

I'll answer your question...

"Hell, you can't even do DUT, CAD, or SPICE. Do you even know how to design a circuit and know that it works?" Yes, I can! You don't need a laboratory to do that; all you need to run SPICE and other CAD design programs is a your computer. Have you used those programs before? Yes!

"How do you do that online?" Grantham uses a newer program, SPICE is an old program used to design electronic circuits. It's called Electronics Workbench Multisim. I've used both programs and I prefer Electronics Workbench Multisim because it has more components to choose from, #D breadboards, oscopes, function generators, and more. It has everything you would use at work or in a electronics laboratory,

check it out!

OK, list a few for us! May 2, 2008 at 8:14 p.m.

@WUP

Since you are an authority on the worth of a school and the degrees it offers, can you please suggest a few for the following areas of study (ABET and RA only, please, since national is a joke):

Computer Science
Electrical Engineering
Mathematics
Physics

Please note that only 100% online formats will work, and the RA applies to all, whereas the ABET applies to the 1st 2.

Thanks!

So True May 21, 2008 at 3:25 a.m.

So true it is. Sorry, your National Degree does not hold the same weight at an RA degree. Fact.

The Answer May 21, 2008 at 6:17 a.m.

@ list a few for us!
You cant get those degrees 100% from a RA or ABET affiliate, which leads to the fact that because Grantham attempts to offer some sort of engineering degree online makes them a total joke. This is the fact that remains to be seen over and over here and that is all there is to it. Grantham is a total waste of time!

RA Bubba May 21, 2008 at 11:32 p.m.

Grantham is a worthless National Accredited school that offers credits that will not transfer to a respected Regional Accredited university. Regional Accreditation is a higer standard so Grantham degrees are a waste of time and money. There you have it. The truth is out. From what I have been reading from these postings it seems that the Grantham scam has been exposed for quite some time now. Please! Grantham employees and distressed students stop defending this scamster school.

Old Tune May 24, 2008 at 4:53 p.m.

You have been playing that angle for so long.

-GU students/Grads already have jobs, and are looking for promotions. I got mine.

-Fresh off the street/straight out of college recruits are anybody's guess. I have met too many worthless EE's straight out of school for that argument to hold any weight. It is interview performance and background that win me over, not name-brand.

A more realistic scenario:

Applicant A, with no experience and a RA degree walks in for a job you just opened.
Applicant B, whom has a good track record, experience in your organization, and newly graduated from GU applies for the same job.

"All things being equal, who do you think will get the job? If you are honest with yourself, you know the answer."

Employers will bet on a known quantity vs. an unknown anyday. Get over yourself.

And I think the point has been made, time and time again; If you are fresh out of high school, or have no experience in the trade, do not go to grantham.

This kind of school, along with all of the NA's, are career builders, not career starters. If you want a new career, then definately go to a RA school.

yeah right May 25, 2008 at 2:47 p.m.

"I don't give a hoot whether you graduated from MIT or Grantham."

Then you would be the first guy I fired in my company. That is just too funny. You would pick a Grantham grad over an MIT grad? You sir, are grasping at straws now. That is funniest statement I have heard on this board up till now.

Errr, No May 28, 2008 at 5 a.m.

"Applicant A, with no experience and a RA degree walks in for a job you just opened.
Applicant B, whom has a good track record, experience in your organization, and newly graduated from GU applies for the same job."

Unfortunately, the real choice is usually between two candidates of similar experience, but only one holds a recognized degree (not Grantham)

Gun HOOOO! May 29, 2008 at 11:13 a.m.

Grantham Univeristy.... didn't George Bush graduated from there???

Agreed May 29, 2008 at 4:01 p.m.

@Joe

" Grantham grads with some apprentice experience know the basics and can make sound technicians but these people will not be leading design teams."

Absolutely, nor should they. A BSEET is not the same as a BSEE. BSEET grads should focus on application, not design & theory. If you want to design, go BSEE. If you want to execute design, go BSEET.

Why does everyone keep lumping these unrelated programs together and comparing them? Grantham is a glorified trade school, not a theoretical engineering state-funded university. We really are stuck on comparing apples and oranges in the name of defaming a good tech school.

Title IV May 29, 2008 at 7:38 p.m.

They just got Title IV, we shall see.

no Title 4 May 30, 2008 at 12:27 a.m.

Title for my AZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ....u keep living in a dream world if you wanna. Grantham continues to have loyal dummies right by their side...u foolish rats...wow! so gullable...please do your homework

Joe May 30, 2008 at 2:51 a.m.

@no title 4

If the school is accredited by a DOE recognized agency (DETC) they should be eligible for Title IV IIRC.

Joe May 30, 2008 at 7:35 p.m.

It looks like I was right.

I'm a GU grad June 1, 2008 at 11:57 p.m.

Let me say that I am military and have graduated from GU. In my opinion GU is a great school. Its no MIT, Yale, or Harvard but its still a great school.

I tell my kids not to complain about anything unless you;ve trued it. I suggest many of you that say the program is bad then take a few classes an see for youself.

I am in the process of applying for my PhD and will be taking the FE exam in NC soon. A lot of us military as you can see on TV don't have the time to take tradional classes. GU has been around supporting the military since WWII and in my opinion supporting us vet's I saluate you.

I ask you folks to please stop the nonsense. Grantham IS accredited and not a rip off; its a great school and I've used what I have learned on the job in the military and have been recognized for my educational benefits. Again, I am a recent grad and I can tell you this is a great school.

I'm proud to say I graduated from Grantham University!

take care,

Bill

Analog? June 2, 2008 at 1:58 p.m.

@Joe

I don't know where you get the idea that the BSEET is comprised of mostly analog theory, but you are incorrect.

If anything, Digital systems were emphasized throughout, with computer programming to boot.

The only Analog theory I recall was in Control Systems, with the study of Linear Time-Invariant systems.

Also, I hate to kick your soap box out from beneath you, but you have not taken a single course with Grantham, nor Columbia Southern University. Why do you insist on commenting on curriculums that you know nothing about?

Also, you keep citing Citadel; I hate to burst that bubble, but Citadel has spawned the worst engineers I have ever encountered. Perhaps it is the additional conditioning offered by the USAF OTS, but I have not met a single grad that was worth more than moving heavy objects from point A to point B.

Honest Review From First Hand Experience June 2, 2008 at 6:58 p.m.

This is directed to anyone interested in an honest review of Grantham University. First off, I want to make it clear that I am not a Grantham employee. I am sure not a field engineer. I am a First Class Petty Officer in the United States Navy. A Legalman for any fellow Sailors posting on this site. My first two years in the Navy I attended Vincennes University (Regionally Accredited) and graduated. My next two years in the Navy I attended Grantham University and graduated. Therefore, I feel because I have attended both a Regionally and Nationally Accredited University, I can provide some honest insight.

Reading Assignments - I found no difference between the amount of required reading for either schools.

Homework - I found both school's homework assignments equally difficult.

Exams - I will state for the record that Grantham University's open book exam policy needs to be looked at.

In closing, if anyone is honestly using this site to decide if Grantham is right for them, remember this. If you have any future goals to transfer to another university after Grantham then simply DON'T ATTEND GRANTHAM. Everyone posting on this site has provided adequate evidence your credits WON'T Transfer. On the otherhand, those of you and this is directed to active duty military member's who need degrees to advance in their CURRENT field, by all means enroll in Grantham, finish your degree, advance to the next higher paygrade, and be proud of your accomplishments. If anyone has any intelligent responses to my post, please address to James. Out of respect for myself and the other active and retired members posting on this site who protect the freedoms you all enjoy, please limit your bashing of my post.

@ James June 3, 2008 at 3:57 p.m.

James,

I am not sure how long ago you graduated from GU but they have revised its policy a few years back about no "open book". The exams are taken randomly online.

Also, GU credits DO transfer. I have a Masters degree with them and ATSU or FSU (An RA) is willing to accept my credits if I transfer into a PhD or Masters program.

I'm not bashing you but I thought perhaps you didn't know that GU credits will transfer and no onger open book. Also, please keep in mind that if you graduated from the Citadel and tried to transfer credits someplace else you could have just as hard a time--the univeristy has the final authority to accept/deny credits.

Mr. Citadel Guy (sorry no disrespect I don't know your name) Grantham does offer advanced math e.g. trig, Calc I,II, differiential equations, fourier analyisis, etc.
I have to also disagree with you math is math and PI ahas always been PI since roman times. I do agree that application is very important and like many colleges GU has an instructors to help you with the math and software called MatLab. This is similiar to what many univeristy students who are studying higher level math use today.

Also, I noticed on Citadels cirrculum they use analog theory too. Solid state electronics e.g. op amps are they not used for analog and digital circuits too?

just my honest points...

GU is a good school and I encourage anyone who wants to attend--Attend!

Joe June 3, 2008 at 11:44 p.m.

I'm sorry... 3 week watered down courses.

They are all one person! June 4, 2008 at 6:48 p.m.

All of the students reps, "instructors", and staff all lead to the same mail server inbox. Beware!

Terry's Part 2 June 5, 2008 at 12:26 a.m.

So why don't you guys stop messing with these folks. This site is for online degree reviews and clearly neither of you two or the disgruntled employees never attended this school before--your opinions are not factual and degrading to other students.

BTW, I'm not a student or employee of Grantham either just a simple engineer that like to fight for the underdogs--Grantham students keep you chins held high and don't ever believe your degree is worthless or "watered down"

good luck!

Terry

Electronics Engineer June 6, 2008 at 2:52 p.m.

Citadel Guy, I am a supporter of what Grantham is doing, and I support your last post. I am a Grantham alumnus in BSEET. I had served in the Navy for 8 years. I was able to get a government electronic engineering,(YD-02 on the NSPS program equiv. to GS-13 step 5.) position with the Department of the Navy; USMC, because of my balance of degree and experience. This position is a degreed engineer required position. Because I did not go to an ABET school, I fell under the "or" catagory when hired. That means that you must have a degree and experience.
Here is the link
www.opm.gov/qualifications/SEC-IV/A/GS-P...

Hey it would be great if I would have had been able to drop everything and attend classes at a regular lecture based school, but I worked hard and completed a challenging course load, as mentioned above, with no instructor to "teach" me. I had to break open the books and learn this stuff on my own.
I would agree that Grantham is not for someone who is coming out of high school, or trying to make a carreer change, but with prior expereince and the degree check mark in the box, Grantham was and is great for me.

I think the argument about transfering schools is superfluous. If you made the decision to complete your degree and choose Grantham, why would you need to transfer? I am sure they are some extraordinary circumstances, but in general it is always best to just stay at the college you are at to finish your degree, because transfering classes from school to school at any school will cause some class transfer problems. Why keep beating that transfer drum?

Now applying for Masters programs is another situation. I was able to get into a Master of Science in Systems Engineering at NPS (Naval Postgraduate School), but I did not look anywhere else; The Navy is paying for it.

Also, why would a "Citidel" guy even be trolling on the online degree review site for Grantham University. It would be interesting to know because I work with alot of Citidel guys on my "compound", both USMC and USMC retired. My boss is a Citidel guy and he never had a problem with my Grantham degree.

Roto Rooter June 7, 2008 at 10:31 a.m.

I think the Citidel Guy "Joe" is full of the Crap that I have clean each day for living!!!

to Joe June 7, 2008 at 7:03 p.m.

What do you expect from an untimed open-book tested university Joe? Of course people aren't going to learn anything when all they have to do is look it up. It's like using a calculator to pass a long division test.

@Joe I'm not picking on you... Part2 June 7, 2008 at 7:07 p.m.

So Joe give these guys a break...you're making us EEs look stupid. They’ve stated the fact in several posts that they’re school is legit and accredited…really…what’s your problem?

Regards,

Terry

to Joe June 7, 2008 at 9:56 p.m.

You are right on. ANYONE can get into Grantham with no background, no testing, no SAT/ACT scores, etc. The only thing you need is a credit card. As a former student, I can tell you that e-mailing the final exam and letting me take it open book was pathetic. EVERYTHING was open book and most were untimed (IF you had a Proctor that did his job). Most guys in my shop that went to Grantham just had their buddies Proctor their exams and they gave them all the time they wanted. Pathetic. Grantham only cares about their money, not the education of their students. This was obvious by the way they only called when there was money to be paid and they did not follow up on questions in a timely manner. I would never hire a Grantham grad over someone who went to a real school, and by "real school", I'm not discounting online schools. Schools like Fort Hayes and such are real online schools. Grantham is not.

To Joe June 8, 2008 at 3:51 p.m.

Joe,

"I am not here to paint Grantham grads as stupid. If they were incompetent they never would have made it through the military. They make great technicians but that shows the value of the degree is that of an ABET accredited AS."

Yes, you are trying to paint the students here as stupid. If you would do your research on Abet you would see Grantham does meet its outcomes/requirements. see excerpt from Abet 2009 standards for EET.

"Objective
An accreditable program in Electrical/Electronic(s) Engineering Technology will prepare graduates with the technical and managerial skills necessary to enter careers in the design, application, installation, manufacturing, operation and/or maintenance of electrical/electronic(s) systems. Graduates of associate degree programs typically have strengths in the building, testing, operation, and maintenance of existing electrical systems, whereas baccalaureate degree graduates are well prepared for development and implementation of electrical/electronic(s) systems.
Outcomes
Graduates of associate degree programs must demonstrate knowledge and hands-on competence appropriate to the goals of the program in:
a.
the application of circuit analysis and design, computer programming, associated software, analog and digital electronics, and microcomputers to the building, testing, operation, and maintenance of electrical/electronic(s) systems.
b.
the applications of physics or chemistry to electrical/electronic(s) circuits in a rigorous mathematical environment at or above the level of algebra and trigonometry.
Given the breadth of technical expertise involved with electrical systems, and the unique objectives of individual programs, some baccalaureate programs may focus on preparing graduates with in-depth but narrow expertise, while other programs may choose to prepare graduates with expertise in a broad spectrum of the field. Therefore, the depth and breadth of expertise demonstrated by baccalaureate graduates must be appropriate to support the goals of the program. In addition to the outcomes expected of associate degree graduates, graduates of baccalaureate degree programs must demonstrate:
a.
the ability to analyze, design, and implement control systems, instrumentation systems, communications systems, computer systems, or power systems.
b.
the ability to apply project management techniques to electrical/electronic(s) systems.
c.
the ability to utilize statistics/probability, transform methods, discrete mathematics, or applied differential equations in support of electrical/electronic(s) systems."

I learned in my studies with granthm it takles more disciplin to study online than a traditional school. I am great at researching stuff. So I want to make sure your educated on what the REAL requirements are before you go telling me that my schools program is the same as an AAS--I think not!

take care,

JD

former proctor June 8, 2008 at 7:52 p.m.

I have been following up on this because one of my guys is a student at Grantham. I'm a LT in the the Navy and the Division Officer in my shop. I had one of my junior Petty Officers come to me and ask me to proctor one of his exams. Always happy to help out a sailor better himself, I agreed to do it. I filled out the form he gave me and faxed it back it. Shortly thereafter, I received an e-mail with the test. No one at the school contacted me for verification that I was who I said I was. I gave them my personal e-mail address and that is where they sent the exam. After I proctored the exam, I faxed it back to them, and again, no one from the school contacted me to verify that I had indeed proctored the exam and followed the rules. I can see how the student a few posts above could have cheated. If I was dishonest, I could have just handed the test to the sailor and told him to give it back to me when he was done. This really gave me a bad taste in my mouth.

Joe June 8, 2008 at 8:37 p.m.

@To Joe

GU is open enrollment which means no ACT/SAT is required. If you do take the ACT/SAT and meet a minimum score you can opt of two remedial classes but you don't have to take it and just opt for the two dummy classes. The TOFEL is for interntational students or illegal aliens that can't speak much English. Considering there is no minimum score required for entrance it is indeed open enrollment. The website says so.

The proctor is chosen by you and can be anyone of your buddies or coworkers... there is no quality control at this school.

To Joe June 8, 2008 at 8:54 p.m.

What is funny is that the above post @ you was probably a Grantham employee. I have gotten more bad enrollment/student info from actual employees than on this board. Pretty sad that the advisors are that bad. What does that say about the rest of the school?

To Joe June 8, 2008 at 9:20 p.m.

Yeah, I know. My wife just completed her Masters from a traditional school, but she did'nt have to have ANY discipline for that. Good thing she did not go to Grantham, right?

Proctored Exams June 9, 2008 at 12:02 a.m.

TRUTH: There is NO oversight in the proctored exam process. I had to pick a proctor who was known for integrity, just to get my collegues to take me seriously.

The proctored exam process is most definately broken. I have had fellow students produce the current proctored exams in e-mail. If it were not for this, I would not have actually passed a few of my exams. I barely made it through the classes.

It sounds as if the time limit will be enforced via internet. I support this idea, but it just has too many holes. I do not understand why they even require Proctored exams anyway, almost all of the other NA's do not, and still have the open-book policy for testing. What a pain.

My point is, it is easy for those that need to cheat to pass a class to find a way. I used the same proctor for 6 semesters straight, and Grantham only contacted him by e-mail.

At the same time, most of the exams given were difficult enough that the open book, as well as a fudged time limit, will not save you. You really do have to know your stuff to pass these classes, and that is why I had to cheat on 2 of them. My proctor didn't know. Of the 26 classes I took, I will always wonder if those 2 I cheated on should have taken me out.

To Sonya June 9, 2008 at 12:15 a.m.

First, the same can be said for you. If you are happy with your degree, why do you feel the need to defend it?

For me, I want others to get truthfull information before they enroll. I want them to know the pitfalls that the sneaky and pressured sales people at Grantham will not tell them before they enroll. DeeAnn has them so scared that they will loose their job that they will do anything to enroll someone. If Grantham is right for you after you have checked everything out, then for it. Just know what you are getting into.

Second, you are dead wrong. Having a degree is not the only thing that matters on a resume. Employers look at the school you graduated from. I know several that would never hire anyone from Grantham based on their reputation alone, let alone that they are a NA school. Other employers will not hire anyone with an NA degree no matter who its from.

Stop trying to convince people that Grantham is such a great place and it's for everyone. It's not, and only a Grantham employee looking to save their job would say that it is.

Not So June 9, 2008 at 1:47 p.m.

The SUNY program has massive amounts of funding, and was designed around ABET requirements. That being said, it will be another year + minimum before they can apply for ABET accreditation (first graduating class must cycle through). After that happens, it will be a year or so as they go through the accreditation process.

Keep in mind, this is a non-profit state University, and it will still take 6 years from program design to actual ABET stamp.

I absolutely agree with you, however, about the open book testing and proctored exam process. There is complete lack of control here. The exams were pulled from the student guides (which was a good start), but the online tests were based on the old guides. All a guy has to do is ask around, and the old guides surface. I hear that some of the courses have been changed, and a 2-time login is in effect (1 view, 1 attempt), and proctored exams for a lot of the classes have been tossed out entirely. The only catch is that you have only 1 attempt at the final exam, and if unsuccessful, you must retake the class. I believe that is complete crap.

Overall, I believe the program and asynchronous model is worth it to the student. That "any time, any place" benefit is just too good to pass up. Yeah, you take a risk with the NA junk, but a guy even considering Grantham is not in the position to attend a B&M.

Joe June 9, 2008 at 9:27 p.m.

The link I provided is the self assessment TAC candidates must provide to ABET for review to show where they are and what they are going to do to improve. Provided in the document they must reveal their admissions and testing procedure. When ABET reviews open book and open enrollment you can kiss ABET good-bye unless they are going to change it. No 100% online program has ABET and doubt if Grantham would ever qualify with traditional schools going online having a problem getting it.

Joe June 10, 2008 at 5:41 a.m.

I have an ABET evaluator on my hiring staff who I placed there to pick her brain over this very thing. I already consulted her opinion on Grantham and it is worse than mine. She DOES speak for them.

@Joe June 10, 2008 at 7:20 p.m.

" have an ABET evaluator on my hiring staff who I placed there to pick her brain over this very thing. I already consulted her opinion on Grantham and it is worse than mine. She DOES speak for them"

Ok, now that's a stretch.

I am convinced that you are nothing more than another hater, who spent considerable effort to try to build credibility on this, and the CSU blog.

Be that as it may, I do agree with a great deal of what you have expressed. I really like the idea of anyone with sights on engineering spending time in the Technician ranks proving themselves, and witnessing the destruction an overly-elegant "I'm smart" design can cause. We practice that mentality here, and even try to weed out the interns.

This is not a pointless blog (I really hate to retract my statement, but there it is), as it serves as a 10%-30% accurate anecdotal account of individual experiences at with Grantham.

As a Graduate, and an Engineer, I have provided nothing but the truth as I know it; not "spin" as stated above. I have already been promoted twice because of this degree, and I already made my tuition monies spent from the GI Bill back with the increases in pay.

At this point, I am even. Color me up, I am out!

@Joe June 10, 2008 at 11:04 p.m.

Joe,

please get your facts right. You said, you worked for a defese contractor designing missiles or waepons and such. Why would you need an Abet evaluator on your staff?

I think you and she are full of crap. Abet does not say anywhere about not accepting 100% online colleges. If that were true SUNY 's new 100% online program would be out the door. I think not!!!

Joe, please, please stop posting here. Your posting facts that do not support your claims--that's outright lying to people.

The fact is unless you have attended grantham folks you can't make any decisions about the school. In my opinion, its a great school and I recommend it to everyone.

bye

Joe June 11, 2008 at 2:23 a.m.

I run a department of 224+ people. I have a select # of engineers on my hiring staff to help me make those decisions. One of them is a volunteer ABET evaluator who holds a low opinion of engineering programs from correspondence colleges. If you think that is a minority opinion at ABET you are only fooling yourself. I'm for real unlike the rest of this anonymous board.

"I am starting to think Joe is NO engineer at all but a grantham flunk out that couldn't hack the challenges and studies at grantham. Joe, why not just say you hate Grantham because you bailed or are you another disgruntled employee."

I hold a BSEE and an MBA from The Citadel. I still have my old email account if that will satisfy your whining. Shoot me a quote at craunj1@citadel.edu and I will repeat it here if you require verification.

Racial slur? June 11, 2008 at 5:02 a.m.

"who holds a low opinion of engineering programs from correspondence colleges"

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

ALL online colleges are bad now?

To Joe June 11, 2008 at 12:11 p.m.

Sorry you have to put with up with all this. You come here with your opinion and facts based on your experience and all you get is typical Grantham attack. This is the way it was working for them and this is the way it is when ANYONE has ANYTHING negative to say about them. First it's the "you are wrong" approach, then they go to the "this is war" and attack you personally and professionally. I'm surprised that they dont start calling your "Momma" names as well. As I said, this is typical of Grantham management. I know the truth as do others, My Grantham credits I earned 3 years ago have gotten me no where in furthering my degree. Credits that I earned 15 years ago at a community college are still transfering into real schools. What does that tell you?

NARTE June 11, 2008 at 6:33 p.m.

www.narte.com/

-THE certification for EMI/EMC technician and engineers.

The testing for certification is open book, open note, and open computer, with a proctor.

This a highly valued certification in my field, and it follows the same format as GU.

Joe June 12, 2008 at 12:05 a.m.

I found my cheese partner...

The FE exam is not open book. The only reference material you can use during the exam is the NCEES handout and the test is timed. I don't have a problem with that kind of test. A Grantham student can't even sit for the EIT exam since their program isn't accredited by ABET.

If you are a PE then you know that doesn't have much to do with engineering in my field. It is a qualification I have little use for as well as most electronic engineers. If you want to do civil engineering, government HVAC/power systems, consult, or testify in court then be my guest. I am a manager of engineers now... I obtain the certifications I need to do my job the best it can be done. An MBA is far more valuable than an MS in my position.

You really should check your facts before you attempt to call people out.

FE June 12, 2008 at 3:33 a.m.

Someone remind me, what is the FE and why should I care?

PE June 12, 2008 at 9:34 p.m.

Hi folks,

I agree 50% with Joe on this staement. "The FE exam is not open book. The only reference material you can use during the exam is the NCEES handout and the test is timed. I don't have a problem with that kind of test. A Grantham student can't even sit for the EIT exam since their program isn't accredited by ABET."

Joe is right that its not "Open Book"; its actually a pretty tough test. Actually, NC, SC, FL and other states do allow accredited EETs to sit in on the exam. You'll have to check the site for more details. I can tell you my home state of IL does not but EETs are becoming more recognized in be able to take the exam. Graduating from a school that teaches calc does help.

I too would not recommend taking it unless you know that doesn't have much to do with engineering in your field. It is a qualification I too have little use for as well as most electronic engineers. If you want to do civil engineering, government HVAC/power systems, consult, or testify in court then take the test. My employer does not offically recognize me as an engineer (it doesn't really matter to me since I get paid as one) without passing the PE, I personally think for either its overrated.

LS June 13, 2008 at 6:07 p.m.

Grantham is fine. I agree that customer service has been bad in the past. They have recently hired better student advisors. Now they call me too much to see how I'm doing. As far as transfer credits go they will transfer to some schools. One major one is University of Phoenix.

James June 13, 2008 at 6:42 p.m.

I have to agree with JS here. As a current student customer service in the past especially after Katrina was bad but Grantham was the only school in Southern LA to keep its doors/students going to school.

They're very military minded and I have had great support from faculty/instructors in my math/electronics classes.

"Now they call me too much to see how I'm doing." I totally agree...they call me at home and at work.

As afr as transfering classes I've double checked with the universities that a previous student posted on here with FSU and ATSU and yes my credits will transfer into a MBA program. I'm excited because I am going to try to take the EIT exam as an EET then finish my MBA or perhaps my PhD.

Anyways...I am proud that i found Grantham because being in the military I couldn't afford the time or money to go to college plus take care of my family and pets. Grantham has treated me pretty good and I've had no complaints which is why i'm surprised at all the ones I'm hearing here--simply not true!

bye,

James

answer @James June 13, 2008 at 9:16 p.m.

Yes, there are two ways to take the EIT:

1. Exam waiver: The Fundamentals exam may be waived for an engineer or surveyor who has earned an advanced academic degree and/or acquired many years of work experience. Guidelines vary greatly for each jurisdiction. Please check with your licensing board and/or review licensing requirements.

2. It depends on your state. What state do you live in?

let me kow and I'll tell you whether you qualify or not.

James

James answer June 13, 2008 at 10:07 p.m.

This was a tricky one at first but then I found it.

According to NYs PE Form 2 states "Note: If you attended or graduated from a program that’s NOT ABET accredited and/or if you attended a graduate program, ask your school to attach an official school transcript or marksheet to this form." So they'll accept nonAbet or Grantham college.

Part B. states that EETs CAN sit in for the EIT exam. see link: www.op.nysed.gov/pe2.pdf

i'm no expert since I'm not from NY but I'd say yes you can according to NYs FE rules/regs.

My recommendations for all are: 1. get an FE study guide and study your butt off. 2. Email: op4info@mail.nysed.gov and tell them your interested in taking the FE exam. Some states have prep courses for it although they always have disclaimers.

good luck!

Sorry James June 14, 2008 at 6 a.m.

Sorry James.....look again....

www.fsu.edu

University-Wide Admission Standards
Admission to graduate study at Florida State University is within the jurisdiction of the University, subject to minimum standards adopted by the Board of Governors of the State University System of Florida. In order to meet these minimum standards, applicants must have, or be a candidate for, a bachelor's degree or equivalent from a regionally accredited institution and meet at least one of the following criteria:

Earned a minimum 3.0 grade point average in all work attempted while registered as an upper-division student working toward a bachelor's degree, or
Earned a minimum score of 1000 on the combined verbal and quantitative portions of the GRE or a minimum score of 470 on the GMAT (College of Business applicants only), or
Earned a graduate degree from a regionally accredited institution.

...............notice that pesky little "regionally accredited institution only" line. Sorry.

James answers June 14, 2008 at 4:42 p.m.

I am not B U S T E D, you must be very young and naive.

Did you read this before you actually posted the excerpt? Have you read the previous posts already where someone sent an email getting accepted to FSU? Please read the fine print. It says FSU admission is within its jurisdiction that means FSU makes the final decision. Honestly, you make me laugh do you think colleges are going to turn your money away--I think not! Next, in the passage it says “a bachelor OR equivalent from an RA”…. If FSU only accepted RA which it does not it would read “a bachelor AND equivalent from an RA”... My recommendation is that you Grantham students submit your application to an FSU admission officer and see. Also, the last line doesn’t make sense to me…why would you submit an RA graduate degree if you’re seeking an RA graduate degree.

Again, let’s breakdown this sentence further shall we.
“Bachelor’s degree or equivalent from a regionally accredited institution and meet at least one of the following criteria:
Earned a minimum 3.0 grade point average in all work attempted while registered as an upper-division student working toward a bachelor's degree, or
Earned a minimum score of 1000 on the combined verbal and quantitative portions of the GRE or a minimum score of 470 on the GMAT (College of Business applicants only), or
Earned a graduate degree from a regionally accredited institution.
...............notice that pesky little "regionally accredited institution only" line. Sorry.”

Now that you understand the definition of the meaning between “AND” (means both) and “OR” (exclusively one) we shall proceed. It states you must have “bachelor's degree OR equivalent from a regionally accredited institution AND meet at least one of those requirements. E.g1. If you have a BS from Grantham and a GPA 3.0 = you can apply/good. E.g2. If you have a BS from Grantham and a GRE score of 100 = you can apply/good. …notice that the little pesky statement line does not factor into the equation Joe.

In my experience, transfer credits are up to the college to decide the college has final authority jurisdiction.
Next, answer to @James. “So it doesn't automatically qualify you for the exam here. I have to submit transcripts to see if they will meet their standards. “It does not say you’re disqualified!

mentoring by James June 14, 2008 at 4:48 p.m.

All,

if you want to find out if you qualify as an EET to sit in for the exam go here.

www.ncees.org/licensure/licensing_boards...

This link is to your states licensing boards.

Never take "NO" or let someone else who is not the best qualified tell you can't do something. I agree with the person above anout doing your own research and homework. Ask the board your questions the worst they can say is "NO" but what if they say "YES". Its GMP (good management practice) especially if you want to become professional engineers that you will try, design, and fail just never give up.

Good luck and study hard.

James

Joe June 14, 2008 at 8:49 p.m.

Sorry James but you must have a problem with reading comprehension. It clearly says they must meet the minimum standard of having graduated from a regionally accredited college.

"In order to meet these minimum standards, applicants MUST have, or be a candidate for, a bachelor's degree or equivalent from a regionally accredited institution and meet at least one of the following criteria:

www.fsu.edu/students/prospective/admissi...

There are no if, and, or buts about it James. It says you MUST have a regionally accredited degree. That word is pretty final partner. Like I said... can you spell B-U-S-T-E-D?

@Joe part 2 June 15, 2008 at 1:59 a.m.

Joe,

I think my so called BUSTED point has already been proven..what about YOU? Here is an email from the school that was posted sometime ago from another student wanting to apply to FSU--He was accepted.

"Here is another University that admits Grantham’s degree’s into its graduate programs. See what Univ South Florida (USF) admissions had to say about admissions for all its incoming/transfer students including Grantham University. I told you they would accept these folks credits!!!

Subject: RE:'FSUEmail=849-789' Questions about transfer credits

Dear ****,

Thank you for contacting our office. I can only speak to graduate programs at FSU. If you wish to pursue your Bachelors here I can transfer your information to an undergraduate officer.

As for the graduate program, you can only transfer 6 hours of course work. You will need to fill out the application, pay the fee, and send us your transcripts. We also require GRE scores.

If you have further questions please let me know.
Sincerely,
Rae S.
Office of Admissions & Records
Florida State University
PO Box 3062400
Tallahassee FL 32306-2400
Phone: 850-644-6200
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Subject: RE: Questions about transfer credits

Mrs. Rae,

Thank you for taking the time to email me. I am not sure I quite understand; so you will accept my bachelor's degree plus 6 hours of course work for transfer? Or FSU only accepts 6 credits from my BSEET? I am confused.

I guess I really need to know do I qualify to be accepted in FSUs graduate programs. If so please let me know...

Thank you

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dear ****,

Thank you for contacting our office. Sorry for the confusion. If you have already completed some graduate course work we can transfer up to 6 hours towards your graduate degree program.

If you have further questions please let me know.
Sincerely,
Rae S.
Office of Admissions & Records
Florida State University
PO Box 3062400
Tallahassee FL 32306-2400
Phone: 850-644-6200

How many more schools do I have to email to prove the point that Grantham credits, a nationally accredited university by DETC is accepted by many regional accredited universities."

I think I've proven my point so far and if i wanted i could enroll into FSUs graduate programs with a Grantham University degree...sorry Joe you LOSE this one!

James

at it again June 15, 2008 at 5:12 p.m.

I have already sent an email to FSU and it clearly did not accept Granthams credits. It is posted up further in this thread. James, you are a Grantham employee or student not wanting to accept the fact that Grantham is a joke and a scam. Why is it that your doctored email is the only email that says the FSU will take Gratham credits? That is not the response that I got when I emailed them. James, stop spin doctering please! Grantham is a joke man. Why would someone want to go to Grantham when there are real schools that offer distance education and that are regionally accredited.

The simple answer June 17, 2008 at 4:40 a.m.

For the same time and money, you can get a regionally accredited degree without the quality problems at Grantham.

No, you really can't June 17, 2008 at 5:07 p.m.

"For the same time and money, you can get a regionally accredited degree without the quality problems at Grantham."

The challenge has been presented, a few times now, for someone to provide an ABET and RA accredited degree program that is 100% online for:

Computer Science
Electrical Engineering
Mathematics
Physics

And not 1 program has been offered. To date, the only one I know of that is close is SUNY, and it will apply for ABET come next year.

As for the next poster,

"Grantham and your spinster tactics, I smell Scam! Scam! Scam! and so does everybody else including FSU."

This qualifies as trolling, I believe.

Joe June 18, 2008 at 10:26 p.m.

Jamie is full of it and I will put an end to this now. I emailed FSU Graduate Admissions myself...

Date: Sunday, June 15, 2008 07:19 PM
To: gradadms@admin.fsu.edu (gradadms@admin.fsu.edu)
Subject: Minimum requirements for acceptance

I was thinking about applying for FSU grad school but it says under the minimum requirements you MUST have a regionally accredited degree. I have a nationally accredited online degree from Grantham University under the DETC. Does this disqualify me from possible acceptance since it isn't a regionally accredited degree? It is accredited by a recognized agency of the USDOE.

Sincerly,
Concerned Applicant

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Reply

Florida State University would not recognize your degree from Grantham University. I hope you are able to find an institution that has more flexible admissions criteria so you can continue your studies.

Sincerely,

Kay Hollis
Office of Admissions and Records
Florida State University
PO Box 3062400
Tallahassee, FL 32306-2400

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So James... you can cut the BS because you have been B-U-S-T-E-D.

WTF? June 19, 2008 at 5:47 a.m.

"So FSU grad admissions just told me to take my crappy CSU degree and go somewhere with more "flexible" admission standards. I can't even get into this publicly funded graduate program with a CSU degree. Florida State just spit on me... it feels like crap even though I was pretending. It sort of lets me know how CSU grads feel when they are turned down for so many of life's opportunities. You have my sympathies."

Taken from the CSU blog. WTF game are you playing here, Joe? What EXACTLY is your stake in all of this?

@Joe June 19, 2008 at 4:40 p.m.

Sure we believe you since you've been so honest and forthcoming thus far. I was with you until now...you almost had had this skeptic convinced.

shame on you Joe.

JB

@Joe June 20, 2008 at 1:34 p.m.

I'm not the copy-cat...you are Joe!

Stop blaming me for your childish pranks and lies.

You the one that's a lamo, pal. Get a life!

JB

Joe June 20, 2008 at 4:45 p.m.

Yeah... I copy-cat myself. That makes a whole lotta sense. I'm just trying to keep my words as my own. If you think I would sully my name by doing so then you don't know common sense. I have put myself out here using the same ID throughout and proved my alma matter. None of you have gone so far to be authentic. Cut the crap and get back to the issues. Everyone knows it doesn't make sense to do so under my name when all I have to do is write someone elses. I guess your illogical brain never bothered to think of that contingency... not surprising.

Your whining is rather annoying :yawn:

Joe June 20, 2008 at 7:05 p.m.

You didn't send me jack squat dirt bag. Here's the proof.

img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cithg5.jpg

hahaha... take a hike loser.

Joe June 20, 2008 at 8:51 p.m.

Sticks and stones... you're attempts to assassinate my character failed. Get over it. Nobody likes a soar loser.

Jason June 21, 2008 at 3:03 a.m.

You went to The Citadel. You're alright in my book Joe. Thank you for serving your country. It looks like you have a crazed fan club of stalkers. Anyone who stalks you on a forum must be the one who need to get a life.

Grantham=Diploma Mill June 21, 2008 at 7 a.m.

This blog is full of Grantham advisors attacking anyone who criticizes the school. BEWARE!!!

Pack of lies June 22, 2008 at 4:35 a.m.

"Grantham employees attack anyone"

Employees.... NO.

Did you really think this idiot shaming crusade would go unchallenged? Grantham is a good, tough (if not unnecessarily so) school.

The sad part is, I am defending attacks from the same doggone players, over and over again. I should spend my time more constructively, like looking at p0rn. At least then there would be SOME kind of reward.

As long as Grantham has the DETC, CHEA, DOE, VA, and SOC on their side, they can do no wrong. If you want to bring this school down, go after their accreditation. Write letters, write congressman, hell, write the BBB. Until that happens, STFU. This is a waste of your, and more tragically, MY time.

I am a veteran. I am a Alumnus. I work in DOD R&D; I approve of this message.

another vet June 22, 2008 at 9:51 p.m.

Unsupported lies? I think they have been supported. When you Grantham flag wavers have said that "such and such school accepts my credits" proof has been posted to the contrary. I hardly call that unsupported. As a veteran myself, I have to question a school that is so universally UNaccepted by other schools. I have seen time and time again so many schools and employers say that they will NOT accept a NA degree. That tells me a lot.

To Grantham employee above June 22, 2008 at 11:34 p.m.

I never completed by degree at Grantham because their customer service was so piss poor and no one was accepting their degree. I did, however, complete my degree at Fort Hayes with a 3.6 GPA and they were great. They did not accept any of my Grantham credits though, so what does that tell you?

@Oh and.... June 23, 2008 at 12:56 a.m.

Typical.

Also, who the hell cares about FHSU? They're a liberal arts college, with overspecialized curriculums. No wonder you couln't get anything to transfer.

I see why you completed your studies there; it must have been a breeze compared to the asynchronous model.

The simple answer June 23, 2008 at 1:30 a.m.

For the same time and money, you can get a regionally accredited degree without the quality or accreditation problems at Grantham.

Joe June 23, 2008 at 8:47 a.m.

The SUNY program is a full fledged BSEE... it is a bit more than a BSEET and has been formed to follow EAC-ABET standards taught by the same professors who teach the approved ground programs.

@Joe June 23, 2008 at 7:35 p.m.

That is the program I am really holding my breath for; as soon as it gets an ABET stamp, I am in.

I wasn't trying to imply that the SUNY BSEE is the same as a BSEET, if that is the way it sounded, you have my aplogies.

Gran Scam June 24, 2008 at 5:20 a.m.

Grantahtm is pathetic. Staight up tird paper is what their degrees are all about. A Grantham degree is good for pet clean up and that is about it. No matter if its Online or on campus you should go to a real university. You are better off enrolling in a real university instead of dealing with Grantham and its problematic National Accreditation.

my 2 pennies... June 25, 2008 at 11:56 p.m.

Guys/Girls,

I don't see Granham or SUNY ever becoming Abet accredited.

Here's why...
1. college must be regional accredited
2. must provide a facility for labs

The #2 according to Abet can't be achieved yet. Are they right or wrong?

I personally think Abet is overated; I can say that because I graduated from a school that was TAC so I have some experience. I think with new technology and the way its growing everything is now online simulations. You can and its being done to simulate physics, biological sciences, computers, and electronics labs.

Abet is out to make money while still in the old mindset that tradittional is better. I have had military training and while at tech school I spent 1 full year with hands-on which is more than any college will teach these days. I think folks that already have experience in engineering should have that experience credited towards lab experience...I amy be wrong but that's how I strongly feel and I am a realist. I knw by the time my grandkids goto college it will probably ALL be online- MD, nursing, engineering, etc. Its scray but eciting at the same time because I hope i get to see that new technology.

anyways...just my 2 pennies...

good luck!

To Joe June 26, 2008 at 9:03 p.m.

Your above statement that reads:

"About the only schools that will take these credits are listed here. The list isn't very impressive.

www.chea.org/heta/search.asp#ser", is not a true statement for all the schools on that list. I'm not a troll here but three schools that I attended are on that list: Grantham, Troy, and American Public University System (American Military University) and neither Troy or APUS would accept my Grantham credits. Most of my undergrad work was from Troy and APUS. I finally completed my undergrad degree from APUS and I'll finish my grad degree in the Spring from the U of Georgia :)

Adjunct Pay June 28, 2008 at 1:47 a.m.

I read somewhere that they pay $15 an hour as an independent contractor for instructors, so minus 15.3% for both FICA's, 28% for Federal, and 5% State Tax, that is about $7.75 an hour, which gets you the quality of "instructors" that you could expect.

Mike B. June 28, 2008 at 7:46 p.m.

"Your above statement that reads:

"About the only schools that will take these credits are listed here. The list isn't very impressive.

www.chea.org/heta/search.asp#ser", is not a true statement for all the schools on that list. I'm not a troll here but three schools that I attended are on that list: Grantham, Troy, and American Public University System (American Military University) and neither Troy or APUS would accept my Grantham credits. Most of my undergrad work was from Troy and APUS. I finally completed my undergrad degree from APUS and I'll finish my grad degree in the Spring from the U of Georgia :)"

Every bit of this is so true. Trust me, I learned the hard way!

Grantham grad July 1, 2008 at 11:43 p.m.

I regret going to this school just about everyday. I decided to go after I got out of the AF and used my GI Bill. I wish I had saved it for something better. The BSEET program is a joke. With open book tests and unlimited time I breezed my way through it. When I hit the job market the only opportunities anyone was willing to offer were tech positions. The thing is I had that job before I started the program. No one respects this degree. Engineers chuckle at you while you get no leg up on the competition. I hate this school and the stigma it has placed on my potential. I didn't go to college to do the same thing I did before I went.

Your river is cried July 2, 2008 at 9:38 a.m.

I don't work in those kinds of fields. I want to be an eCAD engineer which is a TECHNOLOGY job.

Joe July 2, 2008 at 7:34 p.m.

That is the reality of the job market Grantham grad. I hire ECAD Design Engineers and require them to have at least a BSEE. I don't take BSEET degrees for that job. It is a designing job which a technology degree will not prepare you for. Most of the technology jobs out there are technician level. If you wanted an engineering position you should have gotten a BSEE. I suggest you go back to school for an MSEE as those are the people who are my ECAD Engineers. You also need to gain experience DESIGNING the circuits... not just servicing them. You might have a hard time moving up as an applied engineer as that requires BSEEs as well. Go back to school and then reapply. An MSEE will get you the job you want.

Grantham Grad July 3, 2008 at 5:02 a.m.

Grantham told me my degree would prepare me for eCAD engineering. They said it was a better degree than the BSEE and encompassed cutting edge strategies that would prepare me. My enrollment advisor said my programing in C and Java would compliment my experience with Cadence Allegro. Electronic Workbench was bunk but Cadence Allegro meets the industry standard for PCB design. I was lied to people... can't you get that? This school is a fraud.

Joe, where would you expect to find an online MSEE accredited by ABET? They don't exist.

Clueless, I know what an engineer is and a technologist. The engineer is the boss while the other is the lacky. I am tired of being the lacky.

Grantham Grad July 3, 2008 at 5:28 a.m.

I guess the truth is too much for you. If you are happy making $15 an hour then keep cursing. I want to get salaried and run my own team. The only way to do that is to be promoted to engineer. I am tired of technician jobs and being bossed around by people who have the same level of education and less experience than me.

@Grantham Grad July 3, 2008 at 3:35 p.m.

Did you ever voice your complaints to Grantham?

I only say this because I agree with Joe you complain too much and complaining to the wrong people will get you nothing. Heck if you feel that strongly about it, take legal action.

Now, I'll educate you about Abet. People with MSEE graduate degrees are not abet accredited...no grad degrees are by abet. I agree with the person above that Abet is overrated and getting a job is all about your attitude plus doing your homework. I'm sorry you feel you got shafted but the truth is your attitude is very poor and you have no confidence that you can do an EE job. Like go said, go back to school and get some more so you can qualify for eCAD or find another eCAD position that accepted EETs.

Next, I am not sure if I agree 1005 with Joe about his view of BSEET and BSEE. I have friends that are BSEETs (very knowledgeable too) and some are PEs. This really all goes back to the EEs not understanding what EETs can do.

I also disagree with the statement EETs are technicians. According to Occupational handbook (BLS.gov) a technician is someone with a 2 year degree not a 4 year. So, Joe our government does not discriminate between these two. If you have an EET that meets EE requirements then they can be hired too.

Folks, (EET or EE?) what's it matter as long as you can do the job, right. This has been a debate that EEs have had for years. My EE friends take field engineer jobs because they get paid more than doing EE work. Honestly, EEs feel go to school for one or two extra classes and get paid less. You both learn the same electronics both theory and applications but EEs might take an extra math class--it’s that simple!

Technologist July 3, 2008 at 3:46 p.m.

"If you are happy making $15 an hour then keep cursing"

As a Technologist, I make $37 an hour. I have only been out of the military for 6 or so years, so I am happy with that at the moment.

EE vs EET July 3, 2008 at 11:11 p.m.

Most states don't allow technologists to become PEs. Those that do require them to be ABET accredited. No one from Grantham will ever be a PE so that debate is moot. Engineering positions require BSEEs, not BSEETs. Even Field Engineers prefer EEs over EETs. Everyone takes EEs while only some take EETs. Some even offer the position to people with GEDs if they have a lot of experience so it isn't really an engineering job. EE is the superior degree in all situations.

EE vs EET July 4, 2008 at 4:25 a.m.

I can prove it by showing Field Engineer job postings that require an EE, not an EET. Any job posting you find accepting EETs also take and prefer EEs. I didn't say you couldn't get a job as a field engineer without an EE so your point is moot. States that let technologists become PEs require their degrees to be ABET accredited. NCEES is the holy grail of PE rules... read it.

www.ncees.org/licensure/licensure_for_en...

EE vs EET July 4, 2008 at 2:53 p.m.

Name a state that will let a Grantham grad become an EIT if you are so confident.

try looking up NC July 5, 2008 at 6:04 p.m.

Once again, I have to do all the work for you. You'll fall under option 3, EET graduate (note: option 2 is for engineering degrees that are not abet)of NCs board.

A. Education and Experience

The experience required is dependent upon the educational attainment of the applicant. The greater the engineering educational level, the less engineering experience required for approval for seating for examinations and eventual licensure. The following levels of engineering education and the experience requirements for each are those required by North Carolina Statutes and the Board:

(1) College Graduate, ABET Accredited Engineering Curriculum.

Those applicants with a degree from an engineering curriculum of four or more years, and which has been approved by the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology, may take the Engineering Fundamentals Examination (Exam I) at the time of graduation from their college or university.

After successful completion of the Fundamentals Examination, and upon completion of a minimum of four (4) years of progressive engineering experience, applicants are eligible to apply for the Engineering Principles and Practice Examination (Exam II).

(2) College Graduate, Non-ABET Accredited Engineering or Related Science Curriculum.

Those applicants with a degree from a Non-ABET approved engineering or related science curriculum of four (4) or more years may take the Fundamentals Examination (Exam I) upon completion of four (4) years of progressive engineering experience following graduation from the college or university awarding the degree.

After successful completion of the Fundamentals Examination, and upon completion of a minimum of eight (8) years of progressive engineering experience, applicants are eligible to apply for the Engineering Principles and Practice Examination (Exam II).

A curriculum not accredited by ABET, but which contains adequate course work in engineering and scientific principles, would be a curriculum of this nature. The Board will determine the acceptability of such curricula on a case-by-case basis.

(3) College Graduate, Engineering Technology.

Those applicants with a degree in engineering technology from a technology curriculum of four (4) or more years may take the Engineering Fundamentals Examination (Exam I) upon completion of four (4) years of progressive engineering experience following graduation from the college or university awarding the degree.

After successful completion of the Fundamentals Examination, and upon completion of a minimum of eight (8) years of progressive engineering experience, applicants are eligible to apply for the Engineering Principles and Practice Examination (Exam II).

So, I'll ask you again...have you ever taken the exam?
As a Grantham grad...you should apply and take it.

Felix July 5, 2008 at 9:26 p.m.

We have a fraud here and it is "Just a Guy" and the other names he seems to use.

I just looked at other college reviews on this website, and he has the same message on a few:

www.onlinedegreereviews.org/college/nort...

and

www.onlinedegreereviews.org/college/univ...

and

www.onlinedegreereviews.org/college/kenn...

and

www.onlinedegreereviews.org/college/gran...

It starts with:
"As the growth of online education continues I do not understand why anyone would even consider an online university that does not also have traditional on-campus programs."

On the UOP board he is an ex-employee of UOP, on another he claims to have been an executive recruiter for 15 years, and a professor. Same writing pattern, same anti-online university sentiment - same person. The pattern on the other forums is the same thing that occurs on this forum: he complains and other students defend their program, and he argues using different names.

This person apparently has an issue with online degrees.

It doesn't matter what you say to these "characters", they apparently have a hidden agenda, and it is to discredit online colleges that have no brick and mortar campus. It's very sick.

I will post this on the other boards as well.

I have contacted the webmaster of this forum.

Joe July 5, 2008 at 11:18 p.m.

NC only requires a HS diploma to become a PE... WTF?!?

@Joe July 6, 2008 at 12:05 a.m.

Joe,

I just wanted to clear up two things with you, sir. I'm impressed with your knowledge of computers and computer languages so I wanted to talk with you.

1. This site uses mostly HTML and not JavaScript. Yes, it does have some but it’s mostly HTML source code. You'll never get the IPs because every time you post you’re logged into a database that tracks your posts by ID numbers. (E.g. your last post ID = 8790). This identifies you so the administrator can cross reference your IP then looks it up using an ip tracer program. Honestly, most folks use proxy services or find anonymous/elite IP address to prevent crackers from learning their IP address.

2. BTW...I proud to say I graduated from Grantham's EET program. Do you have any engineer jobs available other than technician because I'm over qualified? Seriously, let me know! I can work on your computer/electrical design team.

It's good to network.

Not really July 6, 2008 at 1:57 a.m.

Its only a handful of states that let you get a PE without professional accreditation for your degree. Even NC says the board will still have to review your degree if it isn't ABET and they will never let Grantham grads become PEs. You can't name one person who graduated from Grantham that became a PE and never will. They will laugh your application straight to the trash can. The old-timers clause is exactly that. It is for professionals who have a lifetime of experience and pass the tests. Grantham grads are so incompetent they could never pass the exams so no need to worry. We won't have these incompetents ruining our profession. The test is way too hard for them unlike their open book, unlimited time tests.

Just A Guy July 6, 2008 at 2:51 a.m.

OMG!! I've been tracked down and outed by the dynamic duo of Joe and Felix!!

Felix has turned me in to the online degree nazis!!

They're coming to take me away because I say "bad things" about online degrees!!

I'm SOOOO SCARED!! ROFL

Felix July 6, 2008 at 3:33 a.m.

You have been outed for being a moron and a very, very, lonely person.

You need mental help.

Admissions to FSU July 7, 2008 at 7:12 p.m.

Greetings,
I was reading some of the blog material about Grantham and FSU acceptance. FSU is a school I would really like to attend after Grantham for my MBA. I was distraught at first from all the bad hype I've heard on here about Grantham and an email I received from FSU. However, an extra 5 minute email and a little bit of persistence paid off.
I want to “debunk” the notion that Grantham credits (DETC) can be approved for an exception at FSU! FSU even was so helpful they gave me a contact person which I am going to contact about enrollment as soon as possible. Honestly, Grantham is not a bad school as folks on this blog have made it out to be. It strongly appears many of the negative tones are based on ex-employees or students that had problems with Grantham. I like many; many other students have NOT had any problems with Grantham. I wanted to find out for myself if Joe was right and solve this myth of not being able to transfer my Grantham credits—I can. Folks please stop telling lies and start using supporting evidence to back up your claims. If you have had a bad experience and are a student with Grantham then you’re the best person to post a comment about the school. I’m a student and I have nothing but good things to say about Grantham. See my email message below…I spoke to the same lady as Joe did.
"Dear Jerry,
The department or college can approve you for an exception. You can contact Lisa Beverly (lbeverly@cob.fsu.edu) in the College of Business.
If you have any questions please do not hesitate contact us.
Jermaine Williams
Graduate Officer
Office of Admissions and Records
Florida State University
P.O. Box 3062400
Tallahassee, Fl 32306-2400

Phone (850)644-6200
Fax (850)644-0197
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry
Date: Monday, June 23, 2008 07:39 AM

Joe July 7, 2008 at 8:08 p.m.

Thanks for taking the time to reprove the point. Jamie is a staunch advocate of DETC to the point of sheer ignorance. He will lie openly on a blog just to make people believe his position. Since he was honored by and gives speeches for the DETC and works for a DETC affiliate it is no wonder he is so unobjective to the point of dishonesty. I think it is elitist of FSU to outright reject DETC degrees but all the University of (insert state here) reject them from what I have seen. If you're looking for an AACSB accredited online MBA you have a few options. Someone mentioned Missouri State while Drexel offers one as well... take a look at this list too. You might need to check if they require a regional degree or not. Stay away from the second half of the page starting at Walden... they are not AACSB.

www.allonlineschools.com/search/aacsb-ac...

George Washington is ranked 54th in the NATIONAL list and does not say it requires a regional degree. FSU is ranked 112 so you know GWU is a leap ahead. I would seriously check out their Global MBA because it is HIGHLY selective and respected. If you do go make sure you have high GMAT scores. They only take 100 out of 800 applicants

@Joe July 7, 2008 at 8:44 p.m.

Joe, Did you read Jerry's email?

How did he reprove your point...actually he disproved it!

The lady clearly did not know anything or that FSU accepts national accredited degrees. Once she asked the question and found out otherwise did she point Jerry into the help he needed. She clearly states that FSU WOULD make an exception and this proves Jamie's point that Grantham's DETC credits can be accepted. I think its time you admit you were wrong and that you misread Jerry's email...

Go Jerry and thanks! I too am a grantham student and I think its great you did your homework...what degree program did you say you were in? Also, good luck in your studies and applying to FSU.

Also, Joe thanks for the link I didn't know about AASCB and how important that was for MBA. Just goes to show you can make an old dog learn new tricks!

take care,

@Joe July 8, 2008 at 3:55 p.m.

Joe opinions vary and yes, he did prove you wrong!

Your claim was that FSU ONLY accepted regional and not national accreditation. At first, the lady said, FSU accepts only regional too but when challanged she told a different story, didn't she. Hey, make me a PROVISIONAL student the bottom line is FSU will let me apply and accept my national accredited credits so i can complete an MBA with FSU. Who's duh now!

Joe July 8, 2008 at 6:11 p.m.

"Your claim was that FSU ONLY accepted regional and not national accreditation."

Yep... that's the claim and that's the truth. They don't accept national accredited graduate credits or undergraduate degrees. Being a provisional student is not acceptance to a degree program. Maybe you should take the time to learn the difference. They still have to reapply after taking 15 credit hours making nothing less than a B at any time. If they are able to meet that requirement then they can exempt the regional accredited degree and reapply to the program and hope they get accepted. Having your NA degree exempted does not mean they accept it. You are putting 15 credit hours of gradaute work in it's place. Seems like a big waste of money to take an extra 9 credits. Only 6 of the 15 will count towards the degree. That is even more out-of-state tuition they will have to pay. There are plenty of AACSB online MBAs that will take NA degrees right off the bat and not make them be provisional students. GWU is ranked 54 in US News, takes NA degrees, and offers a highly selective AACSB MBA.

Poor service July 26, 2008 at 1:34 a.m.

Grantham has the WORST service of ANY online school !!!!!! STAY AWAY !!!

whatever August 27, 2008 at 5:22 a.m.

Grantham Grad is posting the typical Grantham spirit script that they are teaching their employees to come on here and post. Just face the fact that the school is a scam and that's the bottom line.

@whatever September 12, 2008 at 9:04 a.m.

"The bottom line is Grantham has no complaints filed against them."

Bull honkey... you didn't even bother to check liar.

Also, some perspective September 12, 2008 at 3:47 p.m.

Searching the local UOP and DeVry,

DeVry had 5 complaints, just in the KC area.
kansascity.app.bbb.org/report/31020002/?&language=1

UoP has 1.
kansascity.app.bbb.org/report/99120969/?&language=1

Given the fact that DeVry has so many locations (as does UoP), this will make it difficult to track down every complaint, across every zip code. Grantham has 1 location, so it is convenient to use this as a litimus test. If you start to see a great number of complaints filed against this school, that would add a lot a validity to the claims posted here. I guess only time will tell.

Ceremony September 23, 2008 at 1:16 a.m.

youtube.com/watch?v=c-valUBOcg8&feature=related

Other Schools October 4, 2008 at 6:40 a.m.

Does anyone know what other online universities pay their faculty? How much training is provided at the other schools?

@whatever October 25, 2008 at 9:07 p.m.

I guess I struck a sore spot. I'll tell you again. Posting on her does nothing but filing a ligit complaint will DO even more. I think that's what you should do if you have a legit complaint or let it go brother.

just my opinion

@ original whatever October 26, 2008 at 3:34 p.m.

You're to ignorant to understand that I agree with you.

What I was saying and that you failed to comprehend was simply "do something about the school or shut you piehole".

Quit complaining on here it's wasting everyone's time.

BTW...I already graduated from a regional school, but I don't see a problem with either accredited body (i.e. regional or national). Onmy job, we hire graduates that have degrees that are simply accredited and not a diploma mill.

Gosh, I can't believe they let idiots like you post here. You ruined my whole day; I dislike stupid people.

Here we go again October 27, 2008 at 4:22 p.m.

Great, this little hemorrhoid has come back. Flame on!

There is a difference November 10, 2008 at 1:10 a.m.

Ask any Regional school and they will tell you the difference. Most will not accept National. Most will giggle at you if you say you have Granthem credits.

Hooked on Grantham worked for me! November 10, 2008 at 6:42 p.m.

Ladies & Gents,

I have monitoring/participating in this blog for about a year now, and I must say, there is enough personal accounts to back both sides of the arguments.

-Grantham transfers have been rocky at best, but have proven successful with a little determination and diligence. Although I appreciate that not every institution is created equal when it comes to accepting credits, the fact that the basics (i.e. maths, physics, electronics, english) do not carry over is unacceptable.

-Grantham service is lacking, I think primarily due to the 100% adjunct staff. I witnessed first hand the utter neglect of the lesser staff, but then when I received attention from others (Cruz, Malley, Miller) it was a different school experience entirely. This, again, is unacceptable. To have one extreme or the other should not be the case; I would settle for mediocre across the board, so at the very least I knew what to expect from all.

-Grantham degree acceptance is hit and miss. I have been very fortunate in the fact that I work in a field that is more experience and aptitude based than acedemic. When I explain the Grantham experience, and delivery model to traditional engineers, I feel like I am constantly having to justify why I chose that route. Luckily, I now have a year of experience under my belt, and I can testify the background provided by Grantham's BSEET left me well-prepared for the challenges of my current position.

-Retention (for me anyway) is also hit and miss. The classes I cared about stuck like glue, and I can recall most of what I have learned. The classes I didn't, not so much. I constantly find myself having to review the subject matter (Calculus, Physics, Chemistry) to try to keep it fresh in my head.

All in all, I don't regret attending, and finishing my BSEET with Grantham. It was, by far, the hardest 2.5 years of my life, and I am glad that it is over. With this last year's increase in wages (I earned 95K this year, up from 70K before I graduated), I washed the tuition investment, so now I am in the money (thank god!). I have received numerous awards for my exploits since my promotion, but Grantham didn't do that; I did. I hate the idea of lending any credibility to this school, or it's staff. I would not reccomend it to anyone in the future. I appear to be more of the exception than the norm for this school, and that is simply unacceptable.

Take this as you will, I am sure the hemorrhoid will jump all over this.

... November 11, 2008 at 1:16 a.m.

The thoroughness and rigor of the DETC review is greater in terms of student protection, what the outcomes of student learning are and how they are determined, then the regional accreditation process. Yet, through monopolistic practices greater student protection is held in lower regard than lesser quality, larger oversight accreditation. Actually, this is a sad commentary on the state of higher education in America and illustrates the true political nature of the issue rather than a discussion on educational quality and outcomes.

Illustrative, I recall that day when little Japanese car companies where held in low regard in comparision to the large, “high quality", American car companies. Only those who could not afford a quality car purchased a Japanese car. Then, over the years the real facts emerged and Amercan car companies are still striving to catch up with the quality offered by the little, Japanese car companies. I love my Toyota!

what are you saying November 11, 2008 at 3:32 p.m.

"If you have a job that is going to send you there, fine, but dont expect just any job to open it's arms to you if you go there thinking it will get you hired over someone with a Regional degree. That simply wont happen"

What world do you live in? Of course, people with a national accredited degrees will get hired too. It happens more than you think and your not going to change that. The only way that would happen is if HR specifically asks for a hiree with a regional accredited dgegree. I ask you how many interviews have you been to where someone asked you that--none!

to "what are you saying" November 12, 2008 at 12:46 a.m.

I've seen far to many "regional degree reguired" on job posting for it to be chance. You live in a dream world. If an employer has two resumes in front of them and one has a National degree and the other Regional, who do you really think they will hire?

dream world November 13, 2008 at 1:05 a.m.

Yep, you live in a dream world. The national will be thrown in the trash and the Regional will get the call.

EETs November 14, 2008 at 3 a.m.

hi,

I've been reading many posts about a EET being a techncian. I'm an EET or applied engineer at we are not labeled simply "technicians". Tech's according to bls.gov are rated according to a 2 -year degree. See attached from bls.gov website, "Many 4-year colleges offer bachelor’s degrees in engineering technology, but graduates of these programs often are hired to work as technologists or applied engineers, not technicians."

in addition, this is what my Hr used when I was hired on my company as an engineer and not a technician. So, I want to make it clear that EETs are engineers and tech's.

Joe November 14, 2008 at 6:02 a.m.

Ahh, the DETC vs RA debate again. I have little faith in RA since they accredit junk schools as well as DETC. If one looks at some of the names on their list you can see some of the worst: UOP, Walden, Ashford, Capella... ect. RA is no gaurantee of quality but neither is DETC. DETC schools that were listed as diploma mills a few months before suddenly gain accreditation when they did little to change. If one is to judge which is better you can see who accepts what. DETC schools will take any RA credits submitted. RA schools will often not do so. If you apply to a DETC graduate program you will be accepted, there is no gaurantee in an RA school unless it is for-profit. If you try getting into FSU, ASU, UT, or any of the online graduate programs from the better state schools you will have a hard, if not impossible, time getting accepted.

When it comes down to it, there is only one accreditation that really matters... professional. In many professions you cannot even hold a job without out it. It is important in so many fields, engineering in particular. ABET is a hallmark of the profession as it tells employers that you have met the standards of the industry in your preparation. As an engineer, your career will progress much faster if you have ABET on your resume and in many states is the only way to advance. If you live in a state that does not require it you must have several years of experience to make up for it. I cannot think of a single DETC school that carries professional accreditated programs which is why many employers pass them over. In this time of economic hardship it will become even harder to find a position without it.

Do yourself a favor and look for the following program accreditations...

Engineering = ABET
Business = AACSB
Education = NCATE
Counseling = CACREP
Psychology = APA
Nursing = CCNE
Law = ABA

a few comments November 15, 2008 at 5:56 p.m.

Ok,

First, "accreditation that really matters... professional" that's only true if you plan taking the FE, PE, or any other certifications required by engineers. In addition, let's be totally honest here because all schools are "for=profit". If no schools were then you could attend school for free. I've always smiles whenever I hear that misnomer catch-phrase used by colleges to scam students to believe otherwise.

Secondly, any school that is RA or NA is considered by ACE a respected college. Additionally, regional colleges are prohibited by law and ACE from discrimination against those accreditors. I suggest that you do the research and compare the two types of accreditors to see which is really the "gold-standard". In essence, if national accreditation was so bad that means that there are many Ivy League schools that suck. Why? DETC is the gold standard and not regional for distance learning accreditation. Regional is more for students that attend onsite. If we remember some years ago the majority of Americans didn't think that distance learning would take off as great as it has had. I bet 20 years from now it will be even better, more affordable, safer, and efficient than traditional learning.

Lastly, I don't know too much about Grantham but to post that its credits are worthless and it’s a rip off is a bit naive on your part. I ask you, "How do you know this"?

Truth again November 15, 2008 at 7:16 p.m.

@ a few comments

First off, a few comments and Hoooked on Grantham worked for me are the same poster

Second, you have no clue because of your quote

"if national accreditation was so bad that means that there are many Ivy League schools that suck."

I want you to tell me what Ivy league school holds National accreditation. You have got to kidding right. Also all universities are not for profit because real traditional universities operate off of endowments that are recieved from different organizations for the school to perform scientific research and development. Several industry leaders and federal agencies funding these schools for research is how they make money. The money that these schools make from tuition and endowments are reinvested into the school and not dropped in the pockets of stockholders the way that Grantham University and other for profit shools do. A university can be private and still be non profit. Or a university can be private for pofit such as Grantham which is a total scam and a joke. Also, National accreditation is not Golden. Please stop kidding yourself. Grantham just does not have the respect that real universities have so accept it for what it is which is a scam at best.

Good day now!

Hooked on Grantham worked for me! November 15, 2008 at 7:45 p.m.

Almost forgot,

"The only reason that you went their is because they take absolutely anyone with $50 to spare for the applicaiton fee. "

The real reason I went was for a shot at a promotion. My supervisor at the time recommended it (he has an associates from GU, and then transferred to UOP for his BSBA), and I when I started in '05, there weren't as many accredited programs available for EET. Things have changed quite a bit in the last few years!

... November 15, 2008 at 8:20 p.m.

Hello,

First, I am not the same guy as ‘Hooked on Grantham’. Also, DETC ‘is’ the gold-standard for distance learning since it’s been around longer accrediting distance learning institutions while regional accreditation has recently jumped on board with it.

Secondly, there are some interesting differences here:
1. DETC 'is' expert in distance learning technique and specializes in accrediting distance education instruction.
2. DETC has over a half century of experience in doing this. That is more than anyone can say for regional accreditation.
3. DETC evaluates institutions completely every five years, while regional accreditation is conducted once every ten years. Between five-year reviews, DETC does a comprehensive subject specialist curriculum evaluation of every new program before students may enroll, while regional associations do not.

Lastly, I now can see why you didn’t graduate from Grantham. Please, use spell check because you misspelled many words, have a fragment, and no supporting sentences in your recent post. You really need to ‘stop’ scamming everyone in here.

Good day now.

... November 17, 2008 at 12:56 a.m.

@listen...

First you're the one that doesn't know what you're talking about. You said, "Only eight Ivy League schools and Air University is not one of them". Thanks, I needed a good laugh…I guess MIT, Stanford, UoI-Champaign, etc. are not Ivy League schools, huh. Please stop using "Wikipedia" as your viable data source of data. Secondly, stop to referring me as a student or an employee; I’m not. I am a guy that posted his opinion and I am very knowledgeable about RA and NA. So, you’re trying to humiliate people on here I am not going to be one of them. Especially, from some young snotty nose kid that probably dropped out of this school and is so bitter that he is trying to find ways to attack the school. I think you’re going about it the wrong way. Basically, I find your comment’s very funny as well since you jump to conclusions without verifying any facts or have any knowledge about your statements. How do you know that RA is better? That’s because you don’t and there is no hard facts listed (facts that compare or contract the difference between the two) that says RA is better or a “gold-standard”. It’s all hearsay. Hey, I got a bridge in London to sell you…are you interested? What if I told you that this bridge is the “gold-standard” and I graduated from Harvard then would you buy it? Listen, I’m not picking on you but if you understand college rankings at all then you know that all “Ivy League” colleges are posted on “US News Report” (which is more than eight schools as you have posted) and AF Institute of Technology and AF Academy (#1 ranked Ivy League college in the West) which are subdivisions of what is called Air University are among them. I stand but what I said that RA is no better than DETC/NA. Also, many colleges are beginning to shift to DETC just wait and see. Lastly, no matter how colleges get there money there all out to make money. So, please stop kidding yourself, and scamming people here.

Listen is right November 17, 2008 at 4:55 p.m.

@Ivy know it all.

You can say what you want but there are only 8 Ivy League colleges and MIT and Stanford are not original Ivies.Ivy Plus, which is a term used when referring to MIT and Stanford,does not count.Sorry, but Air Force Institute of Technology is not included either. Anyway, this does not change the fact that Grantham is a for profit ripoff with the lower standard National accreditation and and no ABET. They will take anyone that submits an application. If you want a respected degree then go to a traditional school that holds Regional accreditation from one of the 6 Regional accrediting bodies. Grantham is a joke, so just move on to new business.

... November 17, 2008 at 9:18 p.m.

I'm not a grantham grad or employee. Oh, did I hit a nerve because you must be a grantham dropout.

what a story. November 18, 2008 at 12:33 a.m.

I agree with you (I got him to bite).

I'd be pretty pissed too if that happened to me as well (that's college for you). I think he's going about it the wrong way though. He is scamming people to believe something that aren’t entirely factual. I don't know about Grantham's business practices but don't tell me something you can't prove with hard core facts.

If "hooked on Grantham" story was a success then he should not give up and not take "no" for an answer. It's the same fundamentals as in the business world and all colleges will take your money--that's a fact!

I can't believe this but after reading his story I do feel bad that things didn’t work out for him. You know, that’s life, but keep moving forward because when one door closes another opens.

Glad to hear your story was a success and I wish both of you the best of luck.

Missing Link November 18, 2008 at 2:45 p.m.

@What a story

The only thing I can't put my finger on is if he used to work for GU. I read on the chronicles web site (so a search on "It's not just here "), and a similar story has been leaf-letted across the web.

2 Semesters, Employed by GU, and let go after Katrina. He pretty much swears a "blood oath" to bring down GU. This is the only way I can understand such persistence, and vile contempt, is if this hemorrhoid is that guy.

A normal drop-out would carry on, and forget the whole ordeal. Only someone whom felt so wronged would carry on this long.

Need Job November 19, 2008 at 4:46 a.m.

Is Grantham hiring right now? Maybe they need more spinsters to help out with the holiday rush!

Joe November 20, 2008 at 9:50 a.m.

"In addition, let's be totally honest here because all schools are "for=profit". If no schools were then you could attend school for free."

There is a big difference between the for-profit and non-profit models of education. For-profits only have one bottom line, shareholder profit margins. Non-profits only incentive to increase enrollment is to fund further betterment of their facilities and quality, thus increasing prestige. One would think a for-profit model would want a quality product that ranks up there with better non-profits but this costs too much money. If they tried to compete on quality they would go out of business. That is why they are reduced to spamming email, pop-ups, banner ads, and marketing ploy review sites. Even worse are open enrollment and pushy sales people. Non-profits don't do this because their reputations are good enough to attract quality candidates, so much so that they can weed through applications and pick the best, thus increasing their prestige further.

You might argue that sports is a marketing tool used by traditional schools, in this you would be right. Fortunately for us one's team ranking does not effect the school's ranking. Ivy League has not so good teams but offer some of the best educations. Heck, even my alma mater of The Citadel has crappy sports teams but that doesn't stop it from getting a good ranking. It has it because the academics and atmosphere are conducive to a good education.

The bottom line of a non-profit is about institutional betterment by quality of academics and student life. They gain their enrollments through prestige that is earned... not faked or coaxed by shifty sales or spam advertising. They do not owe anyone anything except a quality education and campus life to the students who attend because their future depends on it. For-profits are not worried about being top education providers because they know they won't, they can't afford to break the stigma and it will take a for-profit school with the vision to invest enough to compete with ranked non-profits before this will ever change. The first thing they can do is get rid of open enrollment, second they can hire more better and tenured faculty, third they can stop the ridiculous ad campaigns that give all online schools a bad name, fourth they can meet all professional accrediting standards like all good non-profits have, finally they can sacrifice a little short term loss to implement these changes. If just one of these schools ends up on the US News National Ranking, they will be the for-profit school everyone will flock to first.

Curious II November 20, 2008 at 6:28 p.m.

"The first thing they can do is get rid of open enrollment, second they can hire more better and tenured faculty, third they can stop the ridiculous ad campaigns that give all online schools a bad name, fourth they can meet all professional accrediting standards like all good non-profits have, finally they can sacrifice a little short term loss to implement these changes. If just one of these schools ends up on the US News National Ranking, they will be the for-profit school everyone will flock to first."

Come on SUNY!

Joe November 21, 2008 at 8:35 a.m.

@Curious

In Michigan anyone can take the FE exam. In fact, many people go out-of-state there to sit for it as it looks good on the CV. In many other states experience can be substituted for a degree. There has been a drastic relaxation of criteria over the years for the path to PE as states want ETs to be on a level playing field if they prove themselves capable. I don't really have a problem with it if they can pass the exams. Getting a passing score in the FE means alot in the industry. If a Grantham grad wants to take the FE it is pretty easy in most states, if not they can hop on a train to MI and take it no questions asked.

"Come on SUNY!"

SUNY is a public university system but it might be the first online ABET accredited program... a model for-profits can follow.

Lisa November 22, 2008 at 12:15 a.m.

My husband went to Grantham (against my advice) but it seems to have worked out okay for him. He was in the military for 20 years and wanted to get out of the technical side of his field and more into a management position. Often what he felt (and sometimes what he was told) held him back was that he didn't have a degree.

So, he went to Grantham and got his degree and is now in management. He feels that Grantham provided that "check in the box" that employers were looking for.

I still think he would have been much better off going somewhere else but it worked for him....but only in his specific circumstance. (Plenty of work experience in his field, just needing a college degree to get a managment job.)

Just for sake of comparison, I went to a Big East University (on-campus) for four years. I always laughed about the quality of my education, but compared to Grantham, my university was stellar!

So, I guess if you are a person whose employers just need a check in the box of "some degree, any degree" then Grantham will stand you in good stead. Otherwise, if you are in a field where they will actually LOOK at where you got your degree from, you are in trouble.

Hey Joe November 23, 2008 at 7 p.m.

Since I have some time, I was thinking of putting some interdisciplinary studies (Math/Physics) on my resume. I ran across Ellis University (ellis.edu/difference/accreditation.php).

Since they are covered by the NCAC and the DETC, would this be a safe bet?

I am going to see how much of my SMART stuff and Grantham BSEET will apply to the physics/math BS, I will post my findings here!

Joe November 24, 2008 at 9:45 a.m.

@Lisa

What position and kind of company does your husband hold after Grantham and doing 20?

Becca November 24, 2008 at 7:51 p.m.

My husband has been in Grantham for a year, and I currently attend a traditional college. With a swing shift, my husband had no choice but to do an online college - or no college at all. He uses his Tuition Assistance (National Guard) and gets his GI Bill. I wish we had know about AMU before Grantham. I am not sure if the credits will transfer. AMU is a regionally accredited school. Does anybody out there know? Anyway, Grantham has worked for him so far. In the end, he will have a degree that has not cost him anything. In fact, he will have been paid to go to school. He is pursuing a business degree. I don't think this school is a good choice for a technical degree.

I attend a Regionally accredited school (Math Major). My school is a higher education than his, no doubt. For instance, I completed in English 101 what he did in English 102 (essays in MLA formatting and such), but overall there isn't that much difference. I definitely don't like their Proctored Exam policy. An entire course should not be put at risk for one test. Who hasn't bombed on a test at one time or another? So far, my husband has passed every test, but I get nervous each time he takes one.

Grantham has made a lot of changes in their policies in the past 6 months. Are they trying to get Regionally Accredited?
Also, my earlier question, does anybody know if American Military University accepts Grantham Credits?

Joe November 24, 2008 at 11:13 p.m.

AMU will take all his credits as long as they apply to the course listings and do not exceed the transfer maximum. AMU is far better than Grantham as they have faculty with military experience that give degrees in military/security related fields for which they are excellent. If your husband is not getting a degree related to the military/security field AMU does not have a stellar reputation. There are plenty of traditional schools he can take his Top-Up money that are on the SOC list and are online. He does not have to limit himself to Grantham or AMU with all the quality degrees being offered these days.

Campus rocks November 26, 2008 at 4:46 a.m.

What is all this Grantham lip service about? If you want to be and engineer then get yourself enrolled in a real school and get off your lazy behinds and get on over here on campus with the rest of us. You online wanna be engineers are crazy. Besides, the partys are great and spending mom and dads money is even better on campus. Sorry that your fake school is so bad though. I will let you guys know how many jobs I turn down when I graduate. Later dude

WGU warning November 28, 2008 at 4:56 a.m.

They are fine for finalizing a degree but don't try transfering. They won't.

Miki November 29, 2008 at 4:19 a.m.

I didn't invent the University tier system.
There are RA bottom feeders and there Hayward's and Yale there. When a person makes a decision about education he has to take in to account the cost, the residency etc.

My wife had 80% of her teaching credential completed at state university RA, the we had to relocate. She tried to transfer her credits to another university accredited by the same RA agency in the same state.
The University refused to accept more then 15% of her credits. The excuse was the classes didn't exactly matched.
The real reason is they want to sell as many classes as they can.

Miki November 29, 2008 at 3:54 p.m.

California Board of Psychology

The Distance Education and Training Council Accrediting Commission (DETC) is a National Career-related Accrediting Organization. The California Board of Psychology would accept a degree in psychology from an educational institution that is accredited by the DETC.

Sincerely,

Marsha Guzzi
Licensing Analyst
California Board of Psychology
2005 Evergreen Street, Suite 1400
Sacramento, CA 95815-3831
www.psychboard.ca.gov

Miki November 29, 2008 at 4:17 p.m.

One more post to show how DETC is evolvinng.
Onlu couple of years ego DETC accredited up to Masters degree only.

Now:

From the DETC website:
Policies, Procedures and Standards

The Commission voted to give final adoption to the following changes (these are effective June 7, 2008):

C.9. Policy on Degree Programs - definition of Professional Doctorate

List of Professional Doctoral Degrees Acceptable for DETC Accreditation

The DETC wishes to exercise its scope of activity in the area of professional doctoral degree accreditation in a responsible manner. It also believes that certain professional doctoral degrees are not within its scope of activity. It therefore reserves the right to limit its scope of activity in reviewing professional doctoral degrees to the kinds of institutions and the types of programs for which it feels adequate public acceptance exists, appropriate distance education standards have been developed, and which it believes it has the competence to evaluate properly.

The Accrediting Commission will accept applications for only the following professional doctoral degrees for DETC accreditation:

Doctor of Business Administration (DBA)

Doctor of Education (Ed.D.)

Doctor of Physical Therapy (DPT)

Doctor of Occupational Therapy (DOT)

Doctor of Arts (specified fields) (DA)

Doctor of Science (specified fields) (DSc)

Doctor of Ministry (D.Min.)

Doctor of Public Administration (DPA)

Miki November 29, 2008 at 8:33 p.m.

Hey its a free country, I provided info for these who hold DETC accredited degrees. I'm not GU graduate but one of my degrees is DETC accredited and I never ever had to defend it. I did my homework and from the beginning knew exactly what I'm getting.

Regionally Accredited degree with Professional Accreditation from name recognized university preferably B&M university or college will have the highest level of acceptance nationally and abroad.

Saying that I'm a hiring manager with foreign degree (RA equivalent) and DETC accredited degree.
Our HR organization has to verify if degree is from university with recognized accreditation. As far as me I look at the candidate and what he / she brings to the team.
Usually during the interview process our candidates see number of highly knowledge interviewers. If the job is in Engineering or Technology field then technical interview reveals a lot about the knowledge of the candidate.
HR also has all of prospective employees to take CBE.
We contact minimum 3 references preferably 2 former managers and 1 peer etc.

I hired people with degrees from ITT, Devry, UCLA, NYU, Grantham, Cleveland Institute of Electronics / WC, MIT, RIT, CU, CSU, CCU etc and foreign educated professionals as well.

Some hold valuble vendor certifications or PMP designations etc.
I will repeat some of the best of the best here are former US militry.

Professional = Education + Traning + Experience.

I hired people with degrees from ITT, Devry, UCLA, NYU, Grantham, Cleveland Institute of Electronics / WC, MIT, RIT, CU, CSU, CCU etc and foreign educated professionals as well.

Some hold valuable vendor certifications or PMP designations etc.
I will repeat some of the best of the best here are all former US military.

Professional = Education + Training + Experience.

I can see where DETC accredited professional Doctorate will not be AT THIS TIME welcomed at RA education providers. But there is incresing NA higher education providers etc.
Turf wars :-)

Miki November 30, 2008 at 3:19 a.m.

Joe,
So a person with Engineering Technology degree from RA ABET accredited college like Excelsior can't get a job as an Engineer with your company as well.

So the person who wants to work at companies that require only ABET accredited Engineering Degree goes to University or Institute or college that offers ABET accredited Engineering program as simple as that.

ABET Engineering degrees require residency, ABET is not accrediting Distance Learning Engineering programs at Bachelors level.
I think ABET takes very serious the Lab requirements etc.
And they are beginning to flex so we may start seeing DL Bachelors of Science Engineering degrees.
There is a bachelor of science in electrical engineering offered by a distance from the University of North Dakota. It requires that you (or the company you work for) be a member of their consortium.

If you want to study medicine and get licensed then you study AMA accredited program.

The same if you want to be licensed as PE ABET accredited degree is required.

DETC accredited Engineering Technology degree today is not
the same as degree in XXXXXX Engineering. But what do you do if you are a consultant or a military who is deployed or simply can't attend traditional university?
So your degree is good for 90% of the companies but you get the opportunity to earn fully accredited and recognized degree.

Now go the Monster.com or DICE.com or IEEE.org and check how many employers required ABET accredited degree.

For persons who must have XXXXXX Engineering Technology degree ABET accredited by DL can try Excelsior College.

Joe November 30, 2008 at 5:03 a.m.

I take BSEETs with ABET for design potential. They will never be senior engineers without further quals but they make it on the team. They go on to project management. We are not baised against technologists but they lack design fundamentals that you get with an EAC-ABET degree.

"The same if you want to be licensed as PE ABET accredited degree is required."

Not anymore... most states have exemptions. Unless you are a Civil Engineer or graduated from a Non-ABET school, a PE is not a necessity. For someone from Grantham, it is a must if they want to get into the higher end of engineering. I suggest they do it before 2015 because the NCEES is going to be making the standards tougher nation wide.

About the only thing you will find on monster or any of the other websites is an applied engineer, that isn't really an engineer, but a glorified tech who still has to run diagnostics.

Miki November 30, 2008 at 10:32 a.m.

Here is a job opening with one of our groups in OH.
We will consider experienced engineers with accredited bachelors degree masters degree preferred.

Job ID: W1529972
Location: , OH
Salary: $80000 - $110000
Date Re-Listed: 11/26/2008
Job Type: Full Time
Hourly: 45 - 55

Degree Required: Bachelor of Science or equivalent.
General Comments:

SR. MOTOR ELECTRONICS PROJECT ENGINEER BLDC MOTOR CONTROLS / DRIVES.
BSEE (min) plus 3 years of experience (min) designing Motor Controls for BLDC, SR and PM machines. H1B sponsorship not considered. Position is now available due to promotion. IDEAL CREDENTIALS: The successful candidate should possess . . . . . >> either a BSEE (or higher) or a similar engineering technology oriented degree >> a minimum of three (3) years of experience engaged in the design and development of Motor Controllers including both the HW and related programming >> calls for knowledge and/or experience with micro-controllers and DSP devices, power circuit design and related electro-magnetics >> must possess solid written and verbal communication skills >> regulatory agency knowledge for line powered drives You will be part of a talented engineering group designing and developing custom electronic controls for Brushless Motors, Blowers and Fans for such high-end applications CAT Scan Machines, Semiconductor Processing, Business Machines, Environmental Air and Fuel Cell Systems to name a few. COMPANY PROFILE:: Our client is a well-recognized leader in the design and manufacturing of Blower, Motor, and Pump products for a wide variety of applications. They continue to be a leading global supplier of Brush and Brushless DC Motors, Pumps, Controllers, Brushless Blower Systems, and Regenerative Blowers. Their design expertise, exceptional customer service, and state-of-the-art ISO 9001/9002 manufacturing enable them to provide high quality custom design products in cost effective packages. REASONS WHY THE RIGHT CANDIDATE WILL LOVE THIS JOB:
Economically strong company with increasing sales and growing profits.
Custom design offers varied and challenging work in a fast-paced environment.
Talented Engineering Group with experienced management and good visibility
Stable environment with low turnover and a history of internal promotion
Located in a picturesque mid-western river community offering low COL, a major university and lower than average crime statistics.
Competitive compensation and good benefits. Please send your current word.doc formatted resume for consideration. Complete confidentiality will of course be observed. We will contact all viable candidates for an initial telephone interview within 48 working hours of receipt. We also have other positions that may interest you. Don’t hesitate to forward you information for a confidential review and evaluation.

NCEES has set a target date of 2015 November 30, 2008 at 3:57 p.m.

It's a difficult thing to tabulate precisely, because every state has different laws and regulations, and they are subject to constant change. However, I think you will find that while all states currently prefer ABET-accredited engineering BS degrees for licensure, only a few states strictly require them. Most states have loopholes of varying size, particularly for those who get engineering MS degrees without an engineering BS degree (note that ABET does not normally accredit MS degrees). Again, this is not a particularly common route to PE licensure, but it does exist.

Furthermore, NCEES (the national council of engineering boards) has formally recommended that the MS degree, rather than the BS degree, should become the standard for engineering licensure in the future. The new NCEES licensure model explicitly allows people with non-engineering BS degrees to become PEs, if they subsequently obtain an approved engineering MS. This model would be more like that used in fields like law or medicine. NCEES has set a target date of 2015 for adoption of the new model by state boards nationwide.

blah blah I call bull November 30, 2008 at 4:56 p.m.

You Grantham backers can blah blah all you want. The school is total garbage and is not respected. Someone mentioned their Algebra from IL wound not transfer to FL. That is because the credits were probably over ten years old so you can stop the BS right now. Schools like Grantham get laughed at behind closed doors so just accept it. Grantham employees,grads, and students can come here and rip and roar all they want about RA credits will not transfer to other RA schools but nobody is buying it because it is a total lie. You guys sound like a damn car dealership trying to sell a car. Just get over it. If you want a real respected education then go to a real respected Regional university. People go to Grantham because they can't get accepted into a real university. I don't want to hear the "I work full time and online is the only way so thats why I chose Grantham" story because real universities offer online education. The thing is at a real university even in the online program you still have to be accepted. People go to Grantham because they take all applicants who apply. Now you come on here trying to sale the Grantham hoop la and it makes you sound like a car salesman. Grantham sounds like it is a business instead of a university just like all the other for-profit ripoffs. If Grantham was of any kind of quality, at least some of their credits would transfer. Guess what? None of their credits will transfer to a legitimate university so that should tell you something right there. Not respected and no value! Bottom line!

Miki November 30, 2008 at 6:09 p.m.

blah blah or who ever you are.

You are wrong about DL degrees in Engineering. RA is not sufficient and most of them ABET accredited anyway and there almost no such a thing as DL BSEE degree ABET accredited.

I listed one and it has restrictions.
Now our military personnel or busy consultant who is traveling all the time have a fiew choices.
1. Go for EET instead EE, then there are EC, TESC and some others. You then can take classes from any RA university and EC will take the credits toward the degree.

Or study in DL DETC or other NA degree.
Go to the best school you can for your situation.
You can also post some links to DL ABET EE degrees that we don't know about.
Bushing and bad mouthing is easy, why not be constructive and post some valuable alternatives.

@blah blah I call bull November 30, 2008 at 9:51 p.m.

I'm the person that posted about my RA credits not transferring. It's not "bull" and no they're not over ten years old. I did have to end up repeating the same classes. In fact, all RA schools "are" out to make money (doesn't matter whether your RA or NA); the schools have the right to accept whatever credits they wish.

Stop BSing people and yourself...it's a lie.

blah blah I call bull December 1, 2008 at 12:54 a.m.

@ Mikki + hi + Algebra B.S poster = on the Grantham payroll.

You can ramp and rave all you want but the evidence of Grantham not being respected has been delivered. Stop trying to get readers to buy into your b.s that National is just as good as Regional because it is not. Even if Grantham were to suddenly gain Regional, they would still be a for profit ripoff like the other for profit Regionals that have open addmissions and are in no way envolved with research and development and all they care about is making money. So they will take anybody that applies just as Grantham does. I don't need to mention the other for profit ripoffs because you are well aware of who they are. Preach on all you want but these days people want degrees from schools that are respected. That is one thing that Grantham is not. No respect and no value!

... December 1, 2008 at 6:56 p.m.

Mikki,
The bottom line "is" RA is no better than NA or vice-versa. First, a school that offers engineering online and is accredited by DETC is a reputable engineering school. It’s been proven by graduates who have transferred credits and are now performing in the engineering field.
In fact, it’s silly for Joe and Mr. Blah Blah to post that RA is better than NA. Neither ne has hard-core facts to disprove it. They can not compare or contrast the two. Simply, Joe and Blah doesn't know or understand the real facts.
Additionally, Joe and Mr. Blah Blah (the same guy) are ex-Grantham university dropouts that are disgruntled about the school. They've been deliberately trying to discredit the school and anyone that shows them the facts they try to discredit—not me. I don't see any problems with NA schools that offer engineering classes online--it’s the way of developing technology. Next, I see schools like Grantham are at least embracing this technology and it scares many "traditionalists" that can not accept change-- engineering is all about change—those two need to get use to it.
Lastly, I agree with you that if a graduate of the University of Illinois (the Top Engineering School in the country) can't get a job down south as an instructor—that’s ridiculous. My opinion is that there should be no-more RA or NA combine them and have Abet accredit all (both RA and NA) accredited engineering degrees. Also, I’m not a Grantham employee, spinster, or whatever. Finally, Joe, what is your job position a Raytheon because I’m finding that your company really doesn’t care if the degrees are Abet/the persons a PE?

Correction on Accreditation Part 2 December 1, 2008 at 7:06 p.m.

Will the credits a student receives from a DETC-accredited institution be accepted by a traditional college or university? What dictates this?

There is never any guarantee any accrediting association can offer that a student's credits will transfer to another institution. This is because each institution reserves the right to make its own decisions on which credits to accept and which to refuse.

The fact that some regionally accredited colleges refuse to accept credits from another school solely because it is not regionally accredited flies directly in the face of national policies advocated by American Council on Education (ACE), the American Association of Collegiate Registrars and Admissions Officers (AACRAO), Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA), et al. The real issue here has less to do with the academic quality of the sending institution, and more to do with anti-competitive business practices of the receiving institution. Competition is heating up in higher education, and there are forces at work to control the inroads being made by "upstart" operators. Congress, the Department of Education, and the Department of Justice have been looking into this anti-competitive practice by higher education, and we suspect we will see significant activity in the coming months on this matter.

I know first-hand the quality and the rigor of the academic degree programs of the DETC institutions. Each DETC institution program is evaluated by several professors who teach at regionally accredited institutions. These professors are asked to respond to over 200 questions about the programs they are evaluating. There is no question that at the end of this process, the DETC program is comparable to the quality and rigor of a similar program offered by a RA college.

So, when you look at the reasons provided by a college for rejecting DETC credits, "That it is not offered by a regionally accredited institution," the reasons boil down to prejudice, ignorance or anti-competitiveness. Or better put, it is the result that the receiving institution person simply does not accept DETC accreditation as being legitimate, despite what the Secretary of Education or CHEA has decided.

The challenge DETC graduates face in transferring credits is to convince the receiving institution that their academic work is truly legitimate. I am happy to say that of the DETC graduates who try to transfer their credits, about 70 percent are successful today. This percentage will continue to increase as the hundreds of thousands of DETC institution alumni are able to convince skeptics that DETC accreditation is a "real" accreditation, and that people can place their faith in it.

Lastly, Congress doesn't even believe one is better than the other. See HEAAmendment2007 that congress passed prohibiting regional accredited schools from this form of discrimination.

Miki December 1, 2008 at 7:55 p.m.

The truth is that there is an accreditation discrimination.
Wile we know legalities and declarations that NA is as good as RA unfortunately in the field, practically the situation is not so.

Efforts are made to close the gap. but official standing is not the same as the one in reality.
NA degree holders face accreditation discrimination.

RA is older well regarded as Gold standard.
NA especially DETC are getting there.
In my humble opinion its just a meter of time.

ABET accredits Master of Science in Flight Test and Evaluation program at unaccredited California state approved National Flight Test Institute.

ABET may look in to accrediting Engineering residential programs AS and BS level at NA school.
This is political and standard related. Most DETC Engineering degrees are Distance Learning.
As far as ET then there will have to be changes made tot he content and curiculum of the programs.
There is more I'm sure but I don't know all the reasons and history.

0 percent financing available December 2, 2008 at 1:17 a.m.

@ Miki

Are there any factory rebates available with that Grantham degree because you sound like a car dealership commercial trying to make a sale. Who cares about your huff and puff because Grantham has neither ABET or Regional. So cut the b.s short because we all know the scoop about Grantham. Word travels fast about low tier universities and low quality education these days.

Joe December 2, 2008 at 1:42 a.m.

@Miki

Raytheon cares about ABET and as I posted before a PE will increase your income and employment according to the NSPE.

jobs.myspace.com/a/ms-jobs/list/q-Raytheon+ABET

BTW... the only name I go under here is Joe. I am not the only one questioning these schools. I couldn't care less about RA/NA accreditation. If you had followed my posts you would know I think they both only say you are not a diploma mill. If UoP can get regional accreditation then it isn't all it is cracked up to be.

Back at you December 2, 2008 at 3:46 a.m.

jobs.boeing.com/JobSeeker/JobView?reqcode=08-1026728

Apparently your competitors are beginning to see the light.

Who would want for a craptastic company like Raytheon, anyway?

Really December 2, 2008 at 4:25 a.m.

@ Hear Hear

Even the UoP will turned down Grantham credits. So that says it all. One for profit rip off won't scratch the back of another for profit rip off.

Aaaaamen,brother

So What December 2, 2008 at 7:20 a.m.

@ Lie

So what if they do take them. Both schools are for profit schools(businesses) with no rankings. So what if they exchange each others garbage. Big deal! I am sure that there are other for profit ripoffs that will take Grantham credits also but that is nothing to brag about. It is clear that all of the legitimate schools turn them away.

@Joe December 2, 2008 at 5:34 p.m.

Ya, I know. Fricken warmungering profiteers.

I work for a service contract to the same folks, and Raytheon is a teammate. No one I have talked to "enjoyed" working for Raytheon, mainly because of the "just another number" mentality when dealing with middle management. Lockheed Martin has the same bad press, but moreso than Raytheon.

When posting the Boeing example, I was trying to show that they are open (ABET preferred, not required) to the idea, and that is all I need to at least have a shot (if I so desired, I like my job right now) at being considered.

Whatever December 2, 2008 at 6:37 p.m.

@ Back at you

These DOD contracters kick out very lucrative paychecks for quality educated people and the Grantham riff raff is weeded out by the required ABET. I crossed over to Federal Gov some years ago but I have worked for several of these companies- Sikorsky, L3, Raytheon etc. No matter how crappy you make think they are, when you are making $85000+ dollars a year you learn to live with it. Now, get out there and get yourself an ABET accredited degree and get a piece of the pie.