Capella University

Joanne August 29, 2006 at 11:47 a.m.

I am in the clinical Psy.D. program and it has been a great experience. While there is much work and a high level of organization required, the content of all the courses is excellent. I am almost done with all the course work and there has not been a professor that has not been a knowledge resource.

Angie December 27, 2006 at 7:02 p.m.

I am currently enrolled in the Ph.D. program in Education, Postsecondary/Adult Ed. emphasis. I think their best features are the support staff and advisors, the residencies (those are a blast), and the highly skilled and trained faculty. I have been in the program since March, and they do transfer a fair amount of MA or MS credits, as long as it was earned from a credible institution and as long as the GPA earned was fairly high. Courses run 10 weeks long (it used to be 12), and can be very rigorous, especially if the courses are part of your core. Electives aren't as challenging. I have learned an incredible amount since I began and already have some research for my dissertation, though I will not be starting it until the fall of '07.

If I had my choice, though, I would go on-ground. I guess it's just my preference. I have four young children and teach over a full-time load at the college level, and no programs are near me that would fit with my insane schedule. I feel like people need to be more open minded that the "Doctors" of the future will be, primarily, not so much the privileged elite who can afford Ph.D. work on ground in terms of time and cost, but those who have found a way to fit it in to "real life". The Ivory Tower needs to make some more space for those who traditionally wouldn't be able to earn their Ph.D's. Capella gives those people the opportunity.

Dawn March 5, 2007 at 6:08 p.m.

Thanks for the comment JAG. I also agree! I am in the process of researching online schools with traditional campuses, and I have had the "Capella experience." I entered Capella in May 2006...and I do regret it! If you want to go to a school that you can easily get by in, then Capella is the perfect choice! Who wouldn't want to turn in all of their assignments and automatically get a 100 with little to no effort?! I can say that the ONLY thing that I have learned from the experience is NOT to seek out schools such as Capella, Walden, and NCU. No need to waste your money or your time. Take it from someone that had real first-hand experience with Capella!

DuDE March 26, 2007 at 6:18 a.m.

Peeved,

You don't HAVE to pay ANYTHING!!! They cant't FORCE you!!!

Truth April 10, 2007 at 7:03 a.m.

The Associated Press and CBS News have just announced that Capella University's Financial Aid Director, Timothy Lehmann, is under investigation for receiving kickbacks from a student loan company. CBS states: "In a letter to Capella's president, Cuomo's office asserts that Capella's financial aid director, Timothy Lehman, received $13,000 in consulting fees from Student Loan Xpress while the company was one of the school's 15 recommended lenders."

What a scam.

Dr. J May 15, 2007 at 10:05 p.m.

I have attended traditional, non-traditional, ground, and online courses over a 20 year period, culminating in a Ph.D. with a double major from Capella. I have taught over 365 college courses at the state university level, and other for profit schools. I find Capella to be Superior to many schools in this country, when the STUDENT seeks to learn. My three children just finished college, with only ONE, really loving the subject they graduated in, and absorbing the knowledge. In my 20 + years of taking classes, CAPELLA classes rank as high as MOST of the best of any school I attended, to include Hopkins, Heidelberg, Georgetown, Maryland, etc; however, you have to READ, WRITE, and go beyond the minimum to understand any course. You are the reason that you did not learn, and someday you will understand that.

VNova grad May 24, 2007 at 9:37 p.m.

I wouldnt not attend Capella for sole reason that it is a for profit institution. I think online education is great but I also think it does matter where you get your online education from. Capella vs Drexel, Capella vs Rutgers, Capella vs Northeastern, Capella vs NYU, Capella vs Penn State....you get the point reputation counts a lot. Most employers will tend to go with students from schools they've heard of and can prove that are both regionally and nationally accredited(AACSB).

The reputation of most of these for profit colleges is very low amongst most employers and especially reputable universities.

Completely useless May 29, 2007 at 7:25 a.m.

A degree from Capella is little more than an expensive piece of useless paper. This university is the place to go if you can't cut it anywhere else and enjoy getting laughed at by potential employers. Their faculty are the bottom feeders of higher education and students are sub par to those found just about anywhere else. Their reputation is similar to that of other schools of their ilk - a place where losers can buy a degree. Even some of their deans have bought degrees from other for-profit online schools. Fortunately, Capella's graduates are now getting laughed at by real universities and HR departments everywhere.

InfoSecstudent June 6, 2007 at 4:45 p.m.

The financial aid director, Timothy Lehman, is released from employment from Capella due to him knowingly violating university's Code of Business Conduct. There was an internal investigation as well as external and the guy is now gone. So that doesn't affect my financial aid or my education.

I love Capella and would highly recommend it. I have two degrees from major universities and I work at a major university. I just don't have the time to attend classes and tend to a small child while working full time. It is so convenient and all the staff I've communicated with have been more than helpful to me. I feel I'm getting my money's worth even though I could have gone to a cheaper school. The experience has been so worthwhile for me, especially since I'm totally changing careers.

InfoSecstudent June 6, 2007 at 4:59 p.m.

Capella is accredited (fully) by a legitimate accrediting body, it's public information that can be found by anyone.

INFO FOR THOSE interested in IA:
I'm also glad to say that they've completed the evaluation process for the NSA's designation of Center of Academic Excellence for Information Assurance and this further validates their CNSS certification which they already had. So the CAEI is a VERY new designation that took a couple of years to garner after they applied for this. This was another confirmation for me to choose the school.

Finally, I have had classes with some VERY intelligent and accomplished students who can run rings around just about anybody I've met on an academic level. Anybody who would bash the education at Capella by downing students, haven't taken a course at Capella. The students I've learned with are very sharp and challenging in discussion which makes the learning experience richer. If anyone would like to learn more about my learning experience can email me directly at eruditediva@gmail.com

InfoSecstudent June 7, 2007 at 1:58 p.m.

I assume you're speaking of accreditation through The Association to Advance Collegiate Schools of Business. I was referring to accreditation that determines the school legitimacy such as Capella is accredited with The Higher Learning Commission and is a member of the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools (NCA), www.ncahlc.org.
Which is really important to know since the Higher Learning Commission is recognized through the Dept. of Education (HLC is a regional accrediting body) and THAT is what I was concerned with regarding ANY school because schools can lose their accreditation (no matter if for profit, not-for-profit,private or public). Capella is hardly a diploma mill even if it is an open door institution. Again, I have two degrees from major Unversities and my learning experience at Capella is just as productive and vigorous. My career is in higher education so I felt comfortable with what I found out about Capella regarding accreditation and other information regarding the curriculum of my interest.

Additionally, I think that the business world may have folks who are just not well-versed on these type of learning institutions and can't know the level of competency of students from these institutions. I attribute much of that to a lack of knowledge but that will certainly change. Additionally, I know people who have prospered in my field with associate degrees from open-door, technical schools such as two-year institutions/technical colleges. I've worked in that kind of institution as well. There really is no valid reason to discourage people who attend legitimate institutions regarding their learning experience, especially when competent individuals come from those learning environments.

Finally, I have also found that some recruiters from these major businesses are simply ignorant and don't even know when/if a school is accredited. I know this first hand and it further supports my position that if the view is negative regarding these institutions and learners from them, it is because of such ignorance.

LifeLearner June 12, 2007 at 10:33 p.m.

To Disagree InfoSec. I work for IBM and there is no place mentioned that "IBM will no longer pay for its employee's education at schools that are not accredited by AACSB". So I don't know what you are talking about. Because I work on the road and they paid for mine at Phoenix.

Daniel June 14, 2007 at 3:19 p.m.

Here is the PHD program I was accepted to at Nova
http://www.scis.nova.edu/Doctoral/Academ...

Here is the Dsc Program I was accepted to at Dakota St.

http://www.departments.dsu.edu/gradoffic...

Could I get everyones input into which program is better?

Nova is a national 4th tier school, while Dakota St. is a regional 3rd tier. What does this indicate about which school is better?

Thanks everyone
-Dan

I Need Help June 20, 2007 at 2:58 p.m.

Trying to make a decision between two MBA programs both are from the same underlying University, UMass. One is at UMass Amherst and the other is at UMass Lowell. Both are fully accredited nationally and regionally. UMass Amherst is in the top 70 rankings of best MBA programs, UMass Lowell is not. However UMass Lowell is almost $600 cheaper per class then UMass Amherst, which is the better decision?

UMass Amherst or UMass Lowell?

biginagua July 5, 2007 at 3:16 a.m.

I have just completed two classes at Capella. The classes were excellent and taught real world skills and concepts I could immediately apply to my workplace. Comparing the cost of one online course at Capella to one course with AMA (American Management Association), it appears to me that Capella is a better deal. Note that AMA classes are not accredited either and the cost per credit hour surpasses Capella. Those who are being critical apparently do not have any experience with the classes at Capella and/or any real world business experience. I would put what I am learning against any Ivey Leaguer...I'm not scared! Hah!

Sele July 6, 2007 at 3:09 a.m.

How will a employer know that you have earned a online degree. Will the degree have online on it, or will it appear as a traditional degree.

for sele July 10, 2007 at 3:22 p.m.

Online degrees will become more and more common as the years go on, many of the top universities already offer them. It really all depends on where you get the degree from if you're going to do it online and it also depends on the job you're trying to get.

go where you want August 1, 2007 at 7:27 p.m.

Do what you want, it doesn't matter. Somewhere, someone will hire you. Hell, with Capella, you can be the most educated man or woman at the Kwik Mart.

Leroy S. August 6, 2007 at 2:51 p.m.

I think what we need to realize is that school is what you make of it. Sure there are some success stories and failure stories for every school. So you can get a good job from a "for-profit" school. However, I teach at a for-profit and I can tell you, the calibur of students is bad. Since there are no real admissions critera and everyone is accepted, if you go to a for-profit, you are going to work much harder to overcome your image. These schools ARE known for outputting some students (and when you look at the ratios compared to most non-profit, it will be much higher).

That said, I hold a Doctor of Science degree from a private non-profit university. I have to fight the fact that the Sc.D is the equivalent to a ph.D (in fact, I had the option of choosing a phD or Sc.D). My degree is from MIT, and I still have to do this. Imagine getting a phD from a for-profit. You will never be able to teach in tenure with it. Its not respected at all by any respectable schools.

So your $120K a year job is an accomplishment by you, not your school.

online Ed.D of Ph.D. August 10, 2007 at 3:28 a.m.

I have been searching high and low for a "brick and mortar" that offers doctoral degrees in ed. leadership online. I have come across only one--Nova Southeastern Univ. Any others??

Leroy S. August 10, 2007 at 4:21 p.m.

In response to "Ed.D of Ph.D"

First, you should know the Ed.D is a Doctor of Education and a ph.D is Doctor of Philosophy and they are seperate. So you can't get an Ed.D of Ph.D.

But I don't fully understand your question. If you are looking simply for a school that offers a phD online, I would never reccomend any. A phD fully online is rarely respected.

Second, if you want a phD from a brick & mortar in leadership, you can search petersons. I think Robert Morris University in Pittsburgh PA and CMU in Pittsburgh both offer leadership degrees.

Finally, if your asking specifically for a doctorate (either phD or edD) in Educational Leadership Online, that may be a really hard find. It sounds like an online school that created it to try to stabalize online education. Your better off getting a standard leadership Doctorate and you can always specialize your dissertation to be online. That is my highest reccomendation here. You should never have a very specific phD like that. A phD is usually broad and your dissertation is your speciality. This is changing with IVY's latelty, but even they say its the same degree, just some extra seminars you take.

Kenyan August 11, 2007 at 2:31 a.m.

I am new to the USA and I am a graduate of a university in Africa with a bachelor's degree. I am trying to identify a university that can accomodate my many needs including:

1. Foreign degree: I have my bachelors degree from a university which is hardly recognized in thE US. It is dificult, and may take many months to get my official transcrips sent to the school of my choice.
2. Different Name: I have changed my name after graduation. All my legal US documents and pasport show my new name.
3. Work & Family: I am working full time and have a young family that needs my support.

I came accross Capella, Phoenix, Liberty and even Belford Universities. Most of them do not have the degree of my interest: Master of Social Work but they offer alternative courses that are very close such as counseling.
What do you suggest I should do? Please help.
Kenyan

Neuro Online August 12, 2007 at 4:45 a.m.

I know so many PhD students that sacrificed family, friends, marriages, with a payoff that depended as much on politics as ability and work. I had a neuro professor at the U of IL college of medicine ask me to finish my PhD with him. I turned him down and went to Capella. I will not slave 14 hours a day to be at the whim of a professors budget and politics again.
Now I spend time with my 1 year old, and can help my wife who is a 2nd year medical resident. Rather than adding stress to her work day, I do my work late at night.
Online learning is becoming more popular, and oddly it is the brick and mortars that are supporting it. Today the universities are striving to meet online demands with professor who know content, but not online delivery. And it would be better to piggy back on the reputation of a B&M university. However the fact that you cannot tell an on campus degree form an online will eventually give support to the purely online formats.
Face it anything that doesn't involve a lab science can be taught online. The only reason to pay $500 a month for your kids dorm room is so they can live away from home and get drunk often. Online learning is safer(1 in 4 college women are sexually assaulted) oftentimes cheaper, and more convenient. It is only a matter of time before the online degrees from some schools(watch for accreditation from any online school) is accepted, or even the norm.

Just wondering... August 13, 2007 at 2:57 a.m.

If Capella does such a horrible job, what are the thoughts of so many Majors, Lt. Col. and Col. going for their Ph.D.'s at the school? This is actually a fact, but I am wondering how everyone feels about our military leadership? Frankly, online education is here to stay and as Neuro Online indicates, B&M campus schools clearly are moving in that direction. Even Texas Tech has a Ph.D. online now. At any rate, 10 years ago you wouldn't have caught Penn State dead offering a MBA online. However, what do you know, they do now. It is only a matter of time (with some residencies) that Penn State and others offer Ph.D.'s online. Once they do though, it will go one of two ways for Capella. Either it will make them stronger, validating their delivery method or it will shut them down because Tier 1 schools are now offering Ph.D.'s online.

Just wondering... August 14, 2007 at 2:08 p.m.

Leroy S.,

I can appreciate you point of view on this issue and thank you for taking the time to reply. I look at this very objectively, even though I entered Capella 3 semesters ago. I still question my decision at various times and on both a conscious and sub-conscious level as well it seems. I enjoy researching and writing and I depend on a few past professors for input from time to time (B&M campus for my MBA) because I am not sure I am getting the feedback I need at Capella. My writing has been historically strong, but I think in order to overcome the stigma of Capella I will have to work extra hard.

I guess time will tell, but I do agree with you, Capella’s acceptance rate is unacceptable. When US News and World Report has an N/A next to acceptance that has to make even a semi-intelligent person worry. Other universities that are B&M and have a heavy online following such as Regent University at least have their acceptance rate for the Ph.D. program at 60%. I am looking into Regent right now because I think that while it is still online, the university has a better overall appeal.

At any rate, look closely and choose wisely because Capella is convenient, but convenience alone cannot dictate and should not dictate your choice.

Confused August 15, 2007 at 5:05 p.m.

What about the IT Security Program? The NSA has accredited them. I wanted to my phD there in that. I got accepted and ready to go for september. Is this degree respected and will I be able to teach at a University with it?

ITSec August 22, 2007 at 9:31 p.m.

I must thank you all for your informative and constructive criticism, compliment and recommendations regarding choices of schools for further or continuing education.

I have Bachelor's and Master's Degrees in Computer Science and Management Information System (MIS) from local B&M Universities in Maryland and Virginia States respectively. In addition, I have had more than 20 years of work experience in both Telecom and IT fields. About 18 months ago, I had an admission at the Kennedy Western University for a PhD in Technology Management but could not register for classes due to two issues:
(1). Kennedy Western was not accreditated and had bluntly refused to go for it.
(2). My employer refused to pay for my classes on the grounds that I currently hold almost all certifications in both Telecom and IT industry - therefore, my position does not require a PhD degree as a tactical way to short change me on tuition benefits.

Throughout the months of June and July, I was wrestling with adminission councellors from Capella and I end up in their Business and Technology Department for the same Post-graduate degree. So far I have not registered for any class but from what I have been reading from the reviews, I think, I might be better off seeking admission for an online Post-graduate education from any of the reputable B&M Universities in my region. I just thought Online system would be appropriate for me hence I would only need a laptop and ISP account while constantly on travel across the globe.

kenyan August 28, 2007 at 3:18 a.m.

Just Wondering,

I am new to the USA and I am a graduate of a university in Africa with a bachelor's degree. I am trying to identify a university that can accomodate my many needs including:

1. Foreign degree: I have my bachelors degree from a university which is hardly recognized in thE US. It is dificult, and may take many months to get my official transcrips sent to the school of my choice.
2. Different Name: I have changed my name after graduation. All my legal US documents and pasport show my new name.
3. Work & Family: I am working full time and have a young family that needs my support.

I came accross Capella, Phoenix, Liberty and even Belford Universities. Most of them do not have the degree of my interest: Master of Social Work but they offer alternative courses that are very close such as counseling.
What do you suggest I should do? Please help.
Kenyan

Robert L. Johnson August 28, 2007 at 7:48 p.m.

I like the talk between Leroy S. and Just Wondering.... But like Leroy S. I must agree Capella has a dishearting name in academics. It would be very very very very hard to get a job in acadmics with a FOR-PROFIT degree UNLESS its for another FOR-PROFIT school. The whole ZERO admissions criteria even for a phD?? Come on now. Your probably in class with people who can't make it anywhere else. A doctoral degree isn't one of the degrees that should be "in anyone's reach". In order to earn one, you should study and write tons of admissions essays to a real school. No wonder its laughed at in acadmia!

Careful August 31, 2007 at 5:10 p.m.

Careful

Just an FYI for everyone attending Capella. Capella is not different from ITT or Pheonix. They are a business selling education. Their admissions people are sales people and willing to do whatever they can to get you in. They have open enrollment so there is no "admissions". Everyone gets in. I have heard of people who got in without a diploma from a high school or GED.

This open enrollment makes their degrees seen as the bottom feeders degrees. It is not taken serious in many industries and not respected at all in acadmia. They are expensive and the education you are recieving, may be good, but since your in class with the guy who still eats paste and is as smart as a rock, your degree is watered down.

Your better off at a community college or finding a public non-profit school that has online courses. Capella's bottom line is the almighty $$$, that means they don't care what happens to you as long as you pay. Seriously, don't take care of financial aid by the first class and see how long it takes before they lock you out until its taken care of.

Just Wondering... September 6, 2007 at 6:32 p.m.

It is as I have said before; it is really up to you. It is a matter of opinion and if you read the entire thread, you will find varying opinions. I have attended B&M campuses as well as online campuses and the key difference is behind the scenes, in the administrative offices. The real issue is not so much the “for profit” label as it is the “let anyone in” label. The problem is that when you make a school a publicly traded company, you make the school a business and school and business does not add up.

I consider myself intelligent and I would like to teach. I also know my back is against the wall with a degree from Capella. I will have to find a way to overcome it and one of those ways is to do your best to research and publish. In reality, a degree from Capella will be just that, a degree. In order to accomplish anything beyond this will be up to you and the work you put into it. It is to bad, but a degree from Capella will probably take another 20 years before real ground is made on the acceptance stage.

I would also like to share with you the teacher’s perspective from the school. I get the distinct feeling when talking to the teachers that they even look down on Capella a bit, especially the ones they employee with degrees from the University of Minnesota, University of California-Berkeley, etc. Some of the academic advisors are achieved degrees at the University of Minnesota in education and I can even see some nose snubbing from those people. Therefore, within the confines of Capella you even have nose snubbing, so it does make one wonder just how high and thick the wall is that you are being backed up against.

Just food for thought.

Careful September 6, 2007 at 7:26 p.m.

I can't stand the review I just read. It was well written and well argued. The thing I absolutely hate is when these schools call STUDENTS anything but that, and professors/teachers the same. Like Capella calls students "learners". Phoenix and ITT call their students "customers". Phoneix has "study groups" and "facilitators". These words actually get them out of certain educational requirements by using them (at least in Phoneix, they do not need qualified instructors because they don't instruct, they facilitate!).

Education in general is snobbish, no doubt there. My biggest complaints are like others here. 100% acceptance and the recruitments (aka admissions) practices. Finally, the idea of a business running a school.

Anyone ever see the Simpsons episode when the company takes over Springfield Elementry????

Just Wondering... September 6, 2007 at 11:33 p.m.

Careful,

I can respect your opinion and I do agree with you on the point of the acceptance rate. These schools need to get picky. Honestly, even if Capella reduced the acceptance to 50% it would be an improvement.

On the other point, I guess I have not given a lot of consideration to the nomenclature used by these schools to describe students or professors. I have not found documentation that the label they put on students or professors makes a difference when considering educational requirements. I will have to research that point a bit more.

Thank you for your thoughts.

UoP is Better:

You bring nothing to the discussion with this post. If you want to make this proclamation, please do so intelligently and not with drivel.

Just Wondering... September 7, 2007 at 1:31 p.m.

http://www.onlinedegreereviews.org/colle...

So, look at this link associated with this page. Further, if you use this site as a comparison (which it appears you do), then you will note the score for UoP is 6.7 and Capella is 7.2. In either case, those scores are useless, but it appears you put some credence in them.

Finally, I know you are a fraud when you compare a degree from ITT, UoP, Capella, or any other school of the sort to MIT. My, my, that is just plain crazy talk.

Just Wondering... September 7, 2007 at 1:50 p.m.

Leroy...

Good to hear from you. I do stay away from administration and I actually have a phone conference with a professor that is well published and full time with Capella. She actually wants to help me publish a paper (I am sure it will be a co-publsih), but that is certainly exciting. I do believe Capella will, over time, be mroe accepted. But as any one knows, the world of academics in reference to change takes time.

Leroy S. September 7, 2007 at 5:52 p.m.

Again UoP is Better, I leave you to yourself.

Just Wondering... your on the right path and you already know what your up against so your in good shape. It depends if you want to go into Academia or industry when your done. Industry will be much more accepting especially if you start your own practice. Academia is very snobbish and will be for quite some time. It is still humorous for me to watch friends I know in academia. Some are tenure, so they are better than the assistants on tenure path, others are full professors, so they are better than tenure! Even better is the difference from the Ph.D's to the D.Sc's to the Ed.D's to the Psy.D's! Ph.D's are the cream of the crop it appears. But all of them are equivalent in every way. In fact, I have friends in accrediations who said all those programs can easily change with a one form transfer request (meaning all they have to do is request to change the D.Sc to a Ph.D and its done!)!

So it really does not matter where your degree is from once you get in. But I do know a Capella Ph.D who is looked down upon even once entering tenure track. S/he is having some problems and other facutly are making it obvious. Once s/he confronted the other faculty, s/he found out it was because her school has no acceptance criteria and s/he did not get her dissertation fully published in journals. So acadmics is snobbish, but they do their research and you had better have some good publications to back your intelligence before entering.

Online education September 9, 2007 at 2:12 p.m.

Anyone pick up on the sarcasm? I know you did, which is great! I know not everyone is doing it, but don't diminish people for trying to improve. Capella, UoP and others may not be the greatest, but the blind ripping on these schools does prove one thing, scholars can't even live by the old adage, "Don't judge a book by its cover." In other words, scholars claim to be open and objective, but from my experience, this is more lip service than anything else.

A Ph.D. from Harvard generally sees things one way and one way only. Anything outside of their narrow view cannot possibly be worth looking at with more intensity. I chose Harvard, but I am not calling out Harvard graduates. I am merely using one train of thought.

To all of those who say you wouldn't even look at a candidate with Capela on their resume, shame on you! You are openly lumping all of the candidates from that school into the category of "dumb." To me, this is foolish and demonstrates your ignorance as well. Locking out individuals based on their education is just plain stupid and tells me one thing, you are to wrapped up in your own self worth to look past anything other than what you know and are unfamiliar with folks. I will be honest, I know of a few colleges that won't even consider Penn State graduates if they know that they didn't actually live in the area at the time of their education. Frankly, this type of discrimination is unacceptable and proves that our academic community is not as bright as they claim to be under may circumstances.

Ronald McDonald September 10, 2007 at 1:38 a.m.

I got my degree in a Happy Meal.

Online education September 12, 2007 at 1:41 p.m.

UoP is Better,

I am not sticking up for UoP or any online school based on the fallacy that enrollment numbers or advertising dollars constitutes a good program. These arguments are not valid for this discussion because they only prove that students go to the school and that they saw an ad. In reality, online educators appeal to another market outside of what B&M campuses traditionally have focused on in the past. If you are educated, you should remember this concept from any basic marketing class.

What I am saying is merely that online education offers another delivery format and should not be chastised for doing so and nor should the student.

Thank you for your time.

Comment September 15, 2007 at 8:01 p.m.

Capella University is a "for profit" university.

Mary September 18, 2007 at 3:42 p.m.

I am presently a student at Capella taking my first class in the Human Services-Counseling MS degree program. To be honest, I wish I could figure out how to transfer to a brick & mortar college and still keep my student loan. I'm terribly disappointed. The vast majority of the other students in my classes are barely literate; how they got through a Bachelor's program and passed is anybody's guess! I thought I would be in a class with other educated, literate, articulate adults and that we might disagree but it would be done with some level of intelligence. Boy was I wrong!

I know it is possible to have a high-quality online education, as I received my Bachelor's degree from Corban College, a private Baptist college with extremely high standards. While the people in my present class are just now learning how to write according to APA standards, I learned it during my Bachelor's, while also serving an internship, writing a thesis, compiling a portfolio...all of which I understand I will "learn" later on at Capella.

Does anyone here know how what is left of the student loan I received through Capella could be transferred to a different institution. I am already committed for the next quarter, but after that I will transfer out.

BTW, I had a 3.94 grade point coming out of Corban, and so far my grade at Capella is a high A. So my complaint comes from true disappointment with the program and not "sour grapes".

Mary

Just Wondering... September 25, 2007 at 12:38 a.m.

Mary,

You should be able to terminate your student loans with them and submit your FAFSA application with a different school code, thus transferring the remainder of the money for the year to the new school. Call the DOE if Capella gives you any problems (which they may).

Just Wondering... September 26, 2007 at 2:57 a.m.

The APA certification got the best of them. Perhaps this is going to go the other way, which I mentioned earlier, Capella becoming extinct. Only time will tell.

Similar to Mr. Rogers Neighborhood September 27, 2007 at 6:01 a.m.

Don't believe all these lies. Capella is at [sic] par with Mr. Rogers’ Neighborhood!

Dr Kate September 29, 2007 at 10:28 a.m.

I've loved reading some of these comments against online schools. Re: Worthless daring anyone to take their online degree and get a job at a "real" school: I just accepted a job offer to teach undergrad bus students at one of the top 25 bus schools in the US...so there. :( You shouldn't discount online degrees if you don't have one. My doctorate research is under review at one of the major academic journals right now. I plan to continue my research and to teach as a full-time adjunct in this school's bus program.

Why didn't I go to a "real" school for my doctorate? Because they won't even talk to anyone over 30 who applies to those programs. They also wouldn't consider offering me a tenure-track position for the same reason. Their faculty are judged on their research productivity, plus teaching. My practical experience isn't valued in that stream...yet. I'm still planning to get enough research publications that I can go to the Dean and request consideration for a tenure-track position. Probably won't happen just due to my age. But I do have a 4-year contract full-time.

What do my students always praise me the most for in my reviews? My practical experience in the working world that I bring to my courses. I think the bricks and mortars of the world are starting to realize the value of having scholar/practitioners onboard.

Last comment in response to the comment regarding going to a "real" school's online program rather than a for-profit like Capella. The school I am going to work for has a few "online" courses they've started, too. How effective are they? The profs have put their powerpoint presentations up on the web with voice-overs of their lectures on the slides. Wow. Guess how effective that has been? At online schools, the course designers create courses that encourage research of the topics and lively discussions where the learners really get engaged.

So, for my money, I love my Capella doctorate and encourage anyone out there to sign up tomorrow. It's got great teachers and good students. Of course, the slacker students started falling off as we got deeper into the program. Those of us in it for the final degree recognized those students upfront and weren't surprised when they faded away.

Full-time adjunct? September 29, 2007 at 8:16 p.m.

Isn't the term "full-time adjunct" an oxymoron? Real schools also don't pay kickbacks to other schools for refering students into their programs. According to the Chronicle of Higher Education, Capella is so desperate for new LEARNERS that they pay other schools $500 for each student that transfers. Here's the link

http://chronicle.com/subscribe/login?url...

To Kate September 30, 2007 at 1:06 p.m.

Well Just Wondering, you will be waiting a long time to see.

I don't care about online schools, just ones out for a profit. Also, I can assure you for-profits are not respected in academics unless it is by another for-profit. OR, if the person teaching already taught there, is well published, or has a lot of experience.

Leroy S. October 1, 2007 at 5:03 p.m.

"Just Wondering...",
The news about Capella stopping the Harold Abel School of Psychology doctorals. How are the student reacting to this and what are they doing to ensure that your educational is still acceptable? I just didn't know if they have an agreement with another school or something that allows transfers-to-transfers for credit. I was in a program at one point for a "Doctor of Science" at a highly reputable school who decided to drop their program and concentrate on others (the school is an Ivy and didn't want engineering anymore). They offered us the ability to tranfer many credits to a whole list of Universities and continue with the doctoral education. Since Capella is online, I was wondering how they handle this situation.

Thanks!

Capella is desperate October 2, 2007 at 3:57 a.m.

The Chronicle of Higher Education is reporting that Capella University actually pays other schools to send them students. The article is called “University of California Campus Collects a Bounty for Sending Students to a For-Profit College” and may be found here -

http://chronicle.com/subscribe/login?url...

Looks like Capella pay others schools $500 for every student that enrolls.

Leroy S. October 2, 2007 at 1:44 p.m.

Thanks for the information "Just Wondering...". Your overview is a perfect application of Thomas Kuhn's "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions"! When there is a paradigm shift happening, those who have devoted their lives and research to the opposing view hold on for dear life and try to resist it! Even back in the 60's we saw this happening with education (tier's were not as distinct then, people didn't want them because they gave favor, but look what happened. Same thing with inter-disciplinary programs!)

I must say I don't mind some for profits, but three of the ones I dislike the most are Phoenix, ITT, and Devry. I have done tremendous research and found these three to be one's who have devastated the for-profit landscape with a drive to the bottom line and the unethical business they ran in recent years.

Leroy S. October 2, 2007 at 9:01 p.m.

I have some resources to back up my claims, where are yours? Besides, I am against for-profits too for the most part. I don't blame them for low scores, that more of an entire culture lowering standards to get more people to graduate. They removed the manditory language constraint on high school kids, thats a big issue with me.

I got In! October 9, 2007 at 4:34 p.m.

I got in the PhD for IT! Its hard and not easy. Everyone here needs to grow up and try it out for yourselves. When I'm done, I earned the title Doctor.

I got in! October 10, 2007 at 2:05 p.m.

Yes I am in it. Its not dark. You probably wouldn't even be admitted to the program.

I got in! October 11, 2007 at 4:40 p.m.

No they don't you have to have at least a Masters degree to get in, plus a rigorous admissions test, application, writing sample, and you have to tell them your GPAs. Its hard to get in.

I got in! October 12, 2007 at 2:34 p.m.

I did not write that blog but its all true. Most of the people here don't like Capella because you couldn't make it at the University and are jealous you can't get in.

Just for fun October 14, 2007 at 6:28 p.m.

I am getting a degree at Capella so I can teach there and become a part of the problem. I want to see how many I can push through the paper mill! and get paid to do it! mmmm... I wonder if there is a commission for the number of students you push through your class?

To "Former Capella Employee " October 16, 2007 at 1:40 p.m.

HA HA HA! Ya, accreditation means the school is high quality. I taught there and had to pass so many failing students because "it will mess up financial aid if I didn't". I failed them anyways, my grades were over written, and I no longer teach there. The school is a joke and just wants money. I also thinks its funny you people who go there for PhDs. Its not respected by anyone anyways.

To "Former Capella Employee" October 16, 2007 at 5:39 p.m.

Nope, never posted under any different names. Sentence structure and grammar, I don't really care if they are correct when I am posting my opinions on a website. Its probably better I don't follow them, it might throw Capella "LEARNERS" off by seeing real English!

Just Wondering... October 16, 2007 at 6:13 p.m.

Of course, I slaughter the grammer then. It should read:

The above posts are constructive in nature and I would love a constructive rebuttal, but no one will address these points with anything other than drivel. Perhaps you are the educated man or woman that can enlighten us both.

Capella Pays Kickbacks October 16, 2007 at 9:13 p.m.

The Los Angeles Times just printed an article about Capella University paying kickbacks to the University of California -

http://www.latimes.com/technology/la-me-...

Why won't Capella disclose how many community colleges they pay kickbacks to? According to Capella's web site, they have alliances with 25% of all junior colleges in the country. Capella must really be bringing in the money.

Just Wondering... October 17, 2007 at 12:05 a.m.

Leroy,

Good to hear from you. You will get no argument from me on the topic of accreditation. It is merely a standard and certainly not the end for any school.

Lumpy October 17, 2007 at 7:45 a.m.

Holy Cow!!! Someone actually recommended UoP instead of Capella??? I'm not saying Capella is great (They're not, They suck just like Walden, UoP and NCU and the other UoP clones) But UoP has the most money hungry greedy b@$T@rds for management the world has ever known.

If your going to recommend another school, you can definately do better than UoP!! Wise Up!!

Former Capella Employee October 17, 2007 at 11:42 a.m.

"Capella Pays Kickbacks": Having alliances with other instutitions may be as simple as Articulation Agreements detailing which courses transfer and to which Capella equivalent. It does NOT follow that those community colleges develop courses on behalf of Capella, or should otherwise expect to be compensated.

No "head in the sand" here, just facts in lieu of speculation.

The reason the UC-Irvine/Capella agreement has been so sensationalized, and apparently misrepresented, is due in part to reaction against the paradigm shift referenced a few posts back. That, and Capella's for-profit status, are seen as inherently questionable: wrongly so, in my opinion.

Leroy S. October 17, 2007 at 5:07 p.m.

"Former Capella Employee", an understanding of the paradigm shift is important here. The shift in which I speak of is strictly on the subject of Online Schools. I do not mean a shift in For-Profit schools. I believe For-Profits have a place in society, but schools like UoP and ITT are killing the reputations. I remember about 15 years ago when an IT degree from local tech schools like Triangle Tech and even ITT at one point, were good. But the over advertising and going public for some, caused some issues. I think Capella hit this stage and it is passing. They proved this by going after accreditations and reinvesting back to the University instead of shareholders. I don't think a for-profit can hold up if it’s publicly traded. This is a long shot, but I believe that schools like Capella will output students who will eventually come together to buy the school off the public market and force it to go private-non-profit. Sounds funny, but alumni tend to love their alma mater. I know a few Capella grads now from doing some research that are already starting this movement.

As for the idea of earning a PhD online, I am against it also. I don't mind the online format for BS or even a MS, but a PhD, no. UNLESS, the online format consists of residencies requirements too (as mentioned in some posts, RMU, Pace, and CMU have such PhDs). You need to have classes IN class for a PhD. That’s the nature of the degree.

Open admissions are another thing I am against for a PhD level degree. Even if the argument comes up that "the student will drop if they can't handle it". Or "the PhD should be accessible to everyone". Well, no it shouldn't. By the very nature of a doctorate, it is not intended for everybody. Only the best who apply should be given a chance. If you apply and don't get in, do more to build up yourself and apply again.

Finally, "Former Capella Employee" brought up a great misconception about the academic alliance. In no way does the alliance indicate preference about schools. The alliance of transferable credits means you guarantee your students that the allianced credits will transfer. This helps alleviate the worry many students have when they know they will be transferring. It doesn't mean Capella is paying other schools to allow transfer or vice versa.

Paradigm shift? October 18, 2007 at 5:50 a.m.

What a crock of bull. If Capella and UC Irvine weren't trying to hide something, then why won't they disclose everything? The Los Angeles Times reported that Capella's Michael Walsh declined "to disclose how many [other Capella agreements] involve per-student payments." Why did the Chronicle of Higher Education say that Capella and UCI were trying to hide their agreement? Is Thomas Kuhn God? Interestingly, even Wikipedia (is that considered a primary source for Capella learners?) states that the pharse "paradigm shift"

"has been abused in "marketing speak", and is often considered a meaningless buzzword in this context. This is now so widespread that Larry Trask lists it in his book Mind The Gaffe as a phrase never to use, and he advises caution when reading anything that contains this phrase."

It certainly looks like the term paradigm shift is the latest buzzword of Capella's sales team.

Just Here from MN October 18, 2007 at 8:02 p.m.

At the top of this page Capella is listed as a Not-for-profit institution. http://www.capella.edu/about_capella/his... shows that in 1996 Capella became publicly traded.

Just Wondering... October 18, 2007 at 8:23 p.m.

What would have been more interesting to me would be how the educational marketplace would look if for profit institutions had not made changes by offering classes online. That is right; I used the term “educational marketplace.” That is what it has become and the only schools exempt from this are Ivy League schools. It is a bidding war for educational dollars and the adult learner is the target market for now. Nevertheless, do not kid yourself; the young adult (18-25) will soon become a target, which I feel feeds right into Leroy’s earlier point, “In less than five years, I bet it will be a standard.” Of course, I am not saying this will be a standard for this age group, but you will witness market penetration.

Regardless, I do not support or oppose online Ph.D.’s, as long as certain requirements are met. Requirements like admissions standards and the removal of the concept of publicly traded. Even then, I am not sure Capella will be accepted anytime soon, but perhaps it will at least remove two of the critical talking points.

Being Honest October 18, 2007 at 10:49 p.m.

Capella, UOP, ITT, and any other for profit university is sub par and so are the students. No one should take anyone with a degree from these institutions seriously. Students in these schools are the worst of the best and the best of the worst (and maybe they are neither, they may just be the worst of the worst). I question whether these students should even be allowed breed for fear that their below average genes may be allowed to create another sub par human with below average intellect whom will either turn out to be a derelict or a garbage man. I will not say I am sorry because I am not. These so-called students make me sick as an educated man and frankly they do not deserve jobs in academia and they do not deserve jobs in the professional business world either. Allowing these “students” into management will most certainly translate into a failed business and allowing them into academia will only further desecrate our educational system.

My question to any online supporter is simple, “How could you possibly support a sub par educational system and support these no minds that come out of these institutions that actually think they are qualified to work in any management function (including a head housekeeper) or any level of academia (including the mail room clerk)?” Honestly people, with this their can be no debate, online education from for profit schools simply cannot be taken seriously and any argument otherwise should be dismissed.

I bee a Capella gratuate October 19, 2007 at 8:35 a.m.

i know i be good becus i paid my moenys to Capella University. I think it is cuz i am realy a learner and when eye called there phone number i spok to one have there salesmenn who sed that i was a opinionated reasearchor but he be glad two take my mony to. i em very hapy that i researched Capella. now i em a PHD n i bee very glad now eye tel everybudy to go two Capella end i hate peeble who sey bad things abowt my schoul.

Btw.... October 19, 2007 at 12:48 p.m.

Capella didn't go public until 2006. I have contacted the site owners so that they can upgrade this.

Oh My October 22, 2007 at 12:40 p.m.

this page is not only full of biased comments that push nothing more but academic snobbery, academic elitism, academic racism, and academic classism.

Attention Fools October 22, 2007 at 11:49 p.m.

This is Attention.., just so people realize this. "Nope" is right, the school sucks and so do any other online schools. Schools that are B&M that are now going the way of offering online degrees are selling out and their reputation is being destroyed by doing so. I said it before and I will say it again, if you are to lazy to get of your butt to a classroom, you have NO business working, going to school, raising children, or any other normal activity. I will put emphasis on RAISING CHILDREN, because you are raising more idiots who will only dumb down this country.

Attention Fools October 23, 2007 at 2:56 p.m.

Me Oh My, it is not just online for-profit dipolma mills, it is online period! Any school that offers diplomas via an online delivery method is turning themselves into a diploma mill. That is right, I said it, any school who dumbs down their program with this delivery method is a school that is contributing to the problem. So, for all of you Penn State grads, your degree is getting more worthless by the day (that is just one school out of hundreds).

Fools October 23, 2007 at 7:26 p.m.

Yup, there are a lot of fools and schills for online watered down diploma mills. Sloan-C? Unbiased? Real research? Ha Ha Ha Ha! Same old tired story. Looks like only the online pr agents are the ones who really need to do their homework. :)

Time to Go Back to School October 23, 2007 at 9:41 p.m.

Fool of Fools must be a Capella graduate - how much did he/she/it pay for that worthless degree? LOL!

Me Too October 29, 2007 at 7:40 p.m.

I am dean of a college at a well known university. I work a lot with other colleges and can assure you, none of us would hire a PhD (or doctorate of whatever) from Walden, Northcentral, Nova, Phoenix, Capella, or ANY for-profit in a professor position. The only circumstance is if that person already has a PhD from an accepted school that is not-for-profit. This is true for tons of respected colleges. The ones that are changing, you will find their staff all coming from those schools because other faculty will leave upon hearing they are mixed with these profit-driven doctorates.

I'm with you October 30, 2007 at 1:22 a.m.

Me Too, you're right on target. For-profit diploma mills like Capella University a merely excuses for people who think they're "good enough" to buy a degree in order to attach the title "Dr." to their name. These schools are now watering down what used to be the highest educational rank that one could only obtain through hard work and scholarly research. Now all one needs to do is to come up with enough money and "viola" - you've bought yourself a degree. For-profit "schools" are for those who can't cut it anywhere else but think they're entitled to a degree just because they can pay for it. Fortunately, the graduates coming out of these diploma mills are digging their own graves by their substandard performance next to those that have really earned their degrees at real schools.

Same old story October 30, 2007 at 5:36 a.m.

The for-profit supporters seem to enjoy hearing themselves talk - same old story, no substance.

Just Wondering... October 30, 2007 at 4:10 p.m.

Same old story:

Yet you continue to perpetuate the problem! I have never claimed an allegiance to either side and people like you (and your other personalities on this board), continue to post, but will not provide any support to substantiate your claim. I do wonder exactly how good of a researcher folks like are when I read these one sentence proclamations. My guess is that you graduated from college, but likely near the bottom of the researching pool.

I think the “proof is in the pudding” because the only folks listening to themselves talk are the ones who will not provide any information beyond a one sentence proclamation. I showed your answer to my wife and one good tenured professor friend, good laughs is what I heard. Both concluded that you would fail miserably in an interview if you were asked to provide anything with substance.

Have a nice day (and your other personalities as well).

Dr. B October 30, 2007 at 8:22 p.m.

I have to agree with IA Guy. For instance, Walden University's programs are all professionally relevent and focus on broadening international perspectives and social change. Even though the chances are high that someone acquires a teaching position and publishes...etc..... Teaching is not much of a primary focus..... not as much as breadth, depth, and application to solving social issues and problems in industry.

Just Wondering... October 30, 2007 at 10:55 p.m.

No multiple personalities here, I have posted under the same name stating the same thing. At any rate, I won't argue with a bitter UoP graduate.

Dr. B October 31, 2007 at 1:41 a.m.

Attentions Fools.... you're funny and IGNORANT!

IA Guy October 31, 2007 at 11:44 a.m.

Attention Fools is no more then a person who realized that they can say whatever they want for the pure enjoyment of stirring the pot. They know and we all know that it is nothing more then that.

It is easy to say that Attention Fools is just a plain ole nobody, no more, no less.

Just Wondering... November 1, 2007 at 7:37 p.m.

http://www.designshare.com/Research/Nair...

Interesting article and it is not posted because of the Capella name being mentioned, but rather the overall content.

Just another old article November 1, 2007 at 9:53 p.m.

Instead of linking to another thinly veiled advertisement for Capella by "Design Share" how about commenting on the great review just left on this site by "Technology GAP & bigger Administration Egos." The truth always hurts.

Attention Fools November 2, 2007 at 12:24 a.m.

One other thing for the moron named Just another old article.

Figure it out son! That review is by a Capella student, thus making his opinion irrelevant because he is just another moron, apparently like you. If you buy the Capella students review of Capella, you should probably be homeless too. Now, run home and take your abuse like a man, because I will not lay off any moron on this board that is an online student, supports an online program, or buys into an online moron's review.

IA Guy November 2, 2007 at 12:57 p.m.

I found attention fools class list.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,3074...

Wow how do I ever muster up the brain power to even tie my shoes in the morning since I have online degrees

Attention Fools November 2, 2007 at 3:40 p.m.

You know what He He, I will cut you some slack because I am an objective thinker. I will lay off MIT and Ivy league schools with hopes that they are much more selective.

He he November 2, 2007 at 4:16 p.m.

"But you too retards wont", yes, us TOO retards. Moron. Good thing you graduated from Capella. You gots good grammer N could spell nice two.

I feel bad for you though, you were fooled into thinking these were real schools and wasted your money. You didn't even get a respected education. Sorry. I am hiring a new janitor at work, are you interested?

He he November 2, 2007 at 8:23 p.m.

Duh, me IA Guy, me a DOCT OR! I border line wetawded, but Capella take me in!

Just Wondering... November 3, 2007 at 4:05 a.m.

Goodbye all. I am retiring from this board because it is clear there is no objectivity and those that argue against online education have moved to childish actions, thus making it clear that they have no basis for their arguments other than gander and conjecture.

Further, there is not definitive research stating online education is poor or good. All we have is opinions from those who have done it and those who have not, but are on the side of academics and the occasional HR director.

Attention Fools November 4, 2007 at 11:33 p.m.

One down and just a few to go. My job may be done here, people are realizing they are worthless human beings and no one will ever respect them the rest of their life for one reason, they went to an online school. These Capella, UoP, etc. students should:

(1) Surrender their children if they have any
(2) Lose their home and car
(3) Lose their spouse
(4) Be fired from their job
(5) Be homeless
(6) Be treated like a drug dealer, forfeiting their rights to any further student loan money
(7) Ridiculed openly in society for being the stupidest humans to EVER walk the face of the earth

He he November 6, 2007 at 2:34 p.m.

I am threatened because they call themselves DOCTORS and believe they are on the same level as B&M NON PROFT Phds. Then other countries talk to these "Doctors" and realize the US is full of stupid people and nobody takes us serious anymore. Man, to be able to buy a doctorate these days, its only a matter of time before you can buy an MD too and a license to perform brain surgery.

Joke November 8, 2007 at 3:11 p.m.

This school is a joke. Once again, you pay, you pass. They will pass anyone. They don't even have full time facutly in many areas. They have like 90% adjuncts. What a joke. They shouldn't be allowed to be called a University or issue degrees. Capella should go with ITT, Devry, Northcentral, Phoenix, Walden, and all the others to an island and start their own country full of deceit and lies.

Holy Cow November 10, 2007 at 2:26 a.m.

That would be nie Thoughtful Reader...

However, you run the risk of two things:

1. Exposing people's location to hackers
2. Most people do not have static IP's, thus, they can get a new IP on a regular basis.

In all honesty... November 11, 2007 at 3:45 p.m.

I've read some of these posts/replies, and I did so because I got on this site hoping to find a legitimate answer to a question that I have. I am not able to go to a traditional school because I live overseas and work for the military. I just obtained my master's with Grand Canyon University Online...because I didn't have any other choice than to do it online. I'm happy I did it because, in all honesty, I found it more rigorous than the grad classes that I've taken in traditional settings.

Now I'm at the point where I'd like to go on and pursue getting a PhD in Educational Psychology. I was looking at and was accepted into the Harold Abel School of Psych with Capella. Yes, I know...not a HUGE feat given that my 8 year old could have gotten in. However, I do recognize that online programs are NOT for everybody, and you basically get out of it what you put in--and also that not everybody who applies will end up following through with it. Regardless, given my current situation (that I am a very non-traditional student with limited resources at this location), I'm still looking for a good quality program where I can work on my PhD/PsyD/EdD (whatever it may be)in educational psychology. Does anybody have any experience with the Harold Abel School of Psych? I know that Walden offers a similar program. Any suggestions? Ideas?

Dr. B November 12, 2007 at 4:21 a.m.

I agree with Just Wondering. I believe that Capella is ditching the Ph.D. (psyc) and instead is going to focus more on the Psy.D, which is a more practical degree. Walden's Ph.D. in psychology isn't going anywhere. Just beware though... you may face up to 500 face to face hours of instruction... so being overseas may not be a good thing for you to attend Walden.

Good luck in your studies.

Joke November 13, 2007 at 12:27 a.m.

I also bought my wife, she was a street corner horror, but she tries.

Joke November 13, 2007 at 1:57 p.m.

You spelled horror wrong you moron. If your going to use my name, at least know what the heck your saying. Loser.

Joke November 13, 2007 at 2:14 p.m.

I have a date with the Riddler, so I will be on my way now.

He he November 13, 2007 at 3:27 p.m.

God, it hurts to talk. Someone help me. I actually have a DBA from UoP and a Ph.D. from Capella and now people don't like me. Mommy, please help, you promised you wouldn't leave me.

The Texas law, The texas law. November 13, 2007 at 5:27 p.m.

He he, you are in violation of code 10 of section 12 subsection 22.

Neuro Online December 9, 2007 at 9:27 p.m.

I keep reading about the concern that people have with 100% acceptance rates at Online Universities.
My thoughts are that you are thinking old school, quite literally. U of IL admits several thousand extra freshman because they will weed them out. But what if U of IL had the room to teach 60,000 instead of only what 40,000? Would they turn them down. ALL Capella doctoral learners have M.S. degrees, most from Brick and Mortar schools (like U of IL and ISU). The reasons universities are understaffed for graduate students is the lack of lab space, mentors, and overall room for large graduate classes.

It takes a lot of talent in most cases to get the M.S. so is that not the biggest statement as to worthiness to enter a PhD program? Let us face it, getting your M.S. takes work and intelligence. Getting your PhD takes perserverance, luck, and a masochistic streak.
I know several M.D.'s who started out in grad school and did not complete their M.S. because of committee issues, and no standardization of the thesis process, not due to intelligence.
If I had the choice I would do a PhD online at U of IL. But I would do it for the acceptance and reputation, not quality of education.
You kind of have a choice, no standardization and random back stabbings at a brick university, or standardization, caring faculty, and poor reputation at an online one that is run like a business. Now you want a nice mixture get your Master Online Teaching certificate at U of IL online (ION), they have the reputation of U of IL and the skills of online instructors. As others have stated, I think U of IL will be very competitive in the online PhD market when they offer them fully online. I might just get a second one.

Just a Guy December 11, 2007 at 1:04 a.m.

WTF Happened??? When I was last here this was at least a respectable forum for the merits/demerits of online education. It appears to have devolved into an argument between 7 year olds. I reiterate, WTF happened???

JAG

Just a Guy December 11, 2007 at 11:12 p.m.

I've said this once but it bares repeating...Online education is here to stay. Online education provides a valuable service to those who cannot, for whatever reason, complete their degrees in a traditional manner.

As far as school reputations go Capella, Walden, NCU, and Phoenix have a poor reputation when compared to B&M schools especially on the doctoral level. The only way this reputation will EVER improve is when graduates of these school's doctoral programs begin to seriously publish in peer reviewed academic journals. If that begins to happen, then these programs may begin to receive a modicum of respect. If that does not begin to happen (AND SOON) then the online doctoral programs of Capella, Walden, NCU, and phoenix, will continue to be looked upon with distain.

From all the evidence presented to this point, it does not appear that the graduates of these programs have developed the skills necessary to successfully accomplish publish. Since this is one of the primary reasons for obtaining a PhD that tells me the programs are substandard.

Before you begin to point out the (very few) examples of graduates that have published, let me point out that there are exceptions to every rule. (These graduates are at the extreme end of the bell curve) The "average" online doctorate usually published nothing after graduation.

JAG

Just Wondering... December 12, 2007 at 3:35 p.m.

I also know that through Capella, they are considering implementing a program that requires the publishing of two papers before being conferred with the title of Ph.D. I think things are changing and it once again I would turn to the research that does not exist on the ratios of published Ph.D.’s to non-published Ph.D.’s at each school. Let us see research with these criteria:

• School name
• Ph.D. program
• Graduates
• Graduate students with publications
• Frequency of publication
• Frequency of peer reviewed publications
• Career field in relationship to frequency of publications
• Frequency that a Ph.D. publishes beyond 5, 10, and 20 years.

Let us also keep in mind JAG that it is the snobbish Ph.D. schools that are keeping Capella students out of peer reviewed journals in some cases. “How could a Capella graduate have anything to offer the world of academia,” might be one thing they say. Until the Ph.D.’s of traditional schools learn to think objectively (which even you should be able to admit is a character flaw), this will probably not happen. This may also be why academia is anywhere from 5-20 years behind practical application depending upon the program. Classic Ph.D. programs are self absorbed snobs who believe their view is the only view in many cases. This argument does not insinuate that all Capella students should publish in a peer reviewed because they simply may not be qualified to do so. However, not all B&M students are qualified to do so either. I am sure you will argue ratios with this and that is fine, it is a debate you would win. Not until more Ph.D. programs are offered online through B&M campuses will I be able to come to the debate more prepared because I suspect that online Ph.D.’s through B&M campuses will publish on a less frequent basis.

Of even more interest to me will be the divide that is created when traditional B&M students graduate the schools with a Ph.D. in an online environment versus a campus environment (and that is coming JAG). Texas Tech already offers one Ph.D. online with a few residencies requires (about the same amount of time I might add that Capella requires). Other schools are following suit, as one poster suggested of the U of IL. So, will academia look down on students who choose to go online because they are not receiving the same perceived practical research and hands on time that campus students are receiving? My guess, yes their will be a rift between these two kinds of students, whether B&M graduates will admit it now or not. Who will a professor refer first to the academic position? The one they worked face-to-face with or saw for 20-25 days over the course of a few years? The answer is clear and the rift begins there because the online student will perceive this as being substandard and then favoritism rears its head.

Dr. B December 13, 2007 at 9:04 p.m.

Nursing-Education Journal Gives Thumbs Up to Online Doctorates

An article in the latest issue of Nursing Education Perspectives paints a promising picture of online doctoral programs in nursing.

The authors of “Twenty-First Century Doctoral Education: Online With a Focus on Nursing Education” used a matrix of learning benchmarks established by the Higher Learning Commission and the Institute for Higher Education Policy to evaluate the online doctoral program at the University of Northern Colorado.

They found that Ph.D. students in the online program felt their studies were rigorous and academically challenging, had ample opportunity to collaborate with other students on research and form meaningful mentor relationships with faculty members through frequent e-mail and chat-room contact, and were inspired to incorporate new learning concepts into their workplaces.

Online doctoral-degree programs, which broaden access to high-quality Ph.D. programs and allow nursing instructors to pursue further study alongside full- or part-time employment, may be instrumental in stemming the shortage of Ph.D.-prepared nurse educators, the authors suggest. —Paula Wasley

chronicle.com/news/article/3629/nursing-education-journal-gives-thumbs-up-to-online-doctorates

nln.allenpress.com/pdfserv/i1536-5026-028-06-0332.pdf ORIGINAL ARTICLE FROM JOURNAL

Just Wondering... December 14, 2007 at 3:26 a.m.

Nice He he...(online nursing).

You post under so many different names it makes me sick. You are a pathetic joke of a little man and frankly, whoever does use your name on the UoP board, I will be the first to applaud them because they are about as smart as you. Frankly, I can take the criticism on this board over online and for profit schools, but not the ignorance you bring day after day. You are a smug little man and when confronted on this board you bring nothing but additional gander and conjecture to the discussion.

I NO FOR A FACT that given you arguments, you are NOT a graduate of an Ivy league or Tier I school and if you hold more than a BA or BS, I weep for the school that conferred you the degree. If, by some remote chance you old a degree from a from an Ivey league or Tier I, you only add credibility to the argument that not all students that walk out of those hallowed halls are prepared to argue and debate constructively and lack even the most basic of critical thinking capacity.

My feeling is this, you will come back:

1) Wow, another Capella student who doesn't know anything.
2) I don't have a problem with online; I have a problem with for profit.
3) No Capella student or online student of a for profit university has every amounted to anything (which means we must have a bad military considering the graduates that hold high level officer rankings who have graduated from UoP, Capella, etc.).
4) Some variation of these arguments because this is all you ever bring to the table.

Finally, if a nursing Ph.D. was offered by Penn State, would it then be a bad program. Listen chuckles, graduate nursing work is classroom work, not lab and clinical work.

Anyway, I am done with you. Pavlov's dogs had more intelligence than you.

Just Wondering...repost to fix angry errors December 14, 2007 at 3:33 a.m.

Nice He he...(online nursing).
You post under so many different names it makes me sick. You are a pathetic joke of a little man and frankly, whoever does use your name on the UoP board, I will be the first to applaud them because they are about as smart as you. Frankly, I can take the criticism on this board over online and for profit schools, but not the ignorance you bring day after day. You are a smug little man and when confronted on this board you bring nothing but additional gander and conjecture to the discussion.
I KNOW FOR A FACT that given your arguments, you are NOT a graduate of an Ivy league or Tier I school and if you hold more than a BA or BS, I weep for the school that conferred you the degree. If, by some remote chance you hold a degree from an Ivey league or Tier I, you only add credibility to the argument that not all students that walk out of those hallowed halls are prepared to argue and debate constructively and lack even the most basic of critical thinking capacity.
My feeling is this, you will come back:
1) Wow, another Capella student who doesn't know anything.
2) I don't have a problem with online; I have a problem with for profit.
3) No Capella student or online student of a for profit university has every amounted to anything (which means we must have a bad military considering the graduates that hold high level officer rankings who have graduated from UoP, Capella, etc.).
4) Some variation of these arguments because this is all you ever bring to the table.
Finally, if a nursing Ph.D. was offered by Penn State, would it then be a bad program. Listen chuckles, graduate nursing work is classroom work, not lab and clinical work.
Anyway, I am done with you. Pavlov's dogs had more intelligence than you.

Attention Fools December 14, 2007 at 2:30 p.m.

One other thing, Just Wondering..., you are simply to stupid to comment to young child. You have zero intelligence and one has to wonder how you even have enough money to afford to get on the Internet in the first place. We weep for the future, we weep for the future.

Be Very Careful... December 17, 2007 at 4:08 a.m.

There is a person out there who hates Capella University with a passion, and goes around making the most negative comments about Capella University. I wouldn't be surprised at all that this individual has visited this site and attacked Capella University.

I have also noticed that people who don't have degrees like to refer to degrees as just pieces of papers. I wouldn't be surprised that people who have failed at Capella University are going around putting down Capella University. Even though Capella University does accept students into their programs, making it through the programs is another story. It is very demanding work and not everyone makes it. Moreover, for those people who are putting down the PhD program at Capella University, you should know that in order to receive a PhD from Capella University, you need to have an outside scholar approve your PhD dissertation. Many of these outside scholars come from major institutions who won't lower than standards, and won't sign-off on a PhD dissertation unless the PhD dissertation is of high quality. Therefore, Capella University has check and balances to ensure the quality of education they provide their students. If you earn a PhD from Capella University, you will need to convince three PhDs including an outside scholar to sign-off on your PhD disseration. No one is going to sign off on a PhD disseration unless such PhD disseration is of high quality.

I'm working on my PhD dissertation at Capella University, and my visiting scholar is a marketing professor from a state university. My visiting scholar will not sign off on my PhD dissertation unless she believes it is of high quality because her name will be on it.

Dr. B December 18, 2007 at 2:53 p.m.

Just wondering... you never responded to my email. :-)

Leroy S. December 19, 2007 at 2:27 a.m.

Just Wondering is right about the Harvard thing. Academic snobbery is worse than a group of high school students.

Nice Grammer December 20, 2007 at 3:12 p.m.

My experience with Capella,

"I am thinking TO CALL IT QUIT from their PhD program NOT THAT I AM NOT getting good grades but just because I am not that EXPRESSED??"

Nice post buddy. Wow, do they come any dumber than this guy? If you are getting good grades, this just proved a lot about Capella.

Attention Fools December 24, 2007 at 2:56 a.m.

So, did these things happen to you yet?

(1) Surrender their children if they have any
(2) Lose their home and car
(3) Lose their spouse
(4) Be fired from their job
(5) Be homeless
(6) Be treated like a drug dealer, forfeiting their rights to any further student loan money and thrown into a prison for the stupid and inept
(7) Ridiculed openly in society for being the stupidest humans to EVER walk the face of the earth

If not, they will be soon because stupid people who attend Capella deserve it.

Attention December 25, 2007 at 1:03 a.m.

I dont agree with some comments here. The Facts:

1. Capella is an accredited university.
2. Many Phd graduates hold regular teaching positions at big B&M universities.

By the way, I am not a Capella student or Alumni.

Dr. B December 28, 2007 at 6:37 p.m.

As a preface, I hold degrees from both AACSB and ACBSP accredited institutions.

AACSB is not everything!

AACSB has a slightly over 1,000 member membership composed of educational institutions, corporate, and nonprofit organizations representing more than 70 countries. University of Phoenix is one of these member schools. 554 member insitutions of AACSB hold accreditation. Membership does not mean accreditation, however.

Capella's business program is accredited by ACBSP, which also holds 565 memberships with institutions, of which 398 are accredited. Of these member and accredited institutions... it's highly likely that a Capella doctorate backed with publications and teaching experience will get a tenured position. This includes the University of MN-Crookston and Xavier University of Louisiana. These are excellent institutions.

The ACBSP accredits excellent schools. These are not big research universities.... but rather smaller ones that focus on teaching and smaller realms of research. These institutions are serving their communities and are helping to bring about positive social change through good teaching in a positive environment. www.acbsp.org/index.php?mo=st&op=ld&... .

We need to realize that not everyone desires to work for a huge, cold climate, university. Teaching at a smaller universities, business colleges, and liberal arts colleges suit many just fine. The salary is comparable and the quality of like is oftentimes substantially better....

Just a Guy December 29, 2007 at 10:05 p.m.

This is simply amazing.

OK I'll say it one more time just to ensure that people who are trying to educate themselves as to what program they should choose to persue a PhD will understand.

If you want to work in ACADEMIA... Capella/Walden/NCU/Phoenix are NOT GOOD CHOICES...

KathiB December 30, 2007 at 11:46 p.m.

A lot of people here are saying that with an online Ph.D. you will never be able to teach at any B&M. I can say for a fact that I had 2 professors at by B&M school who got thier Ph.D's online. As for an online MBA meaning nothing I got mine online and 2 months after graduation I had my choice of 3 different jobs paying $70k or more. I may have problems if I wanted to teach at a Tier 1 school, but there are a lot of universities in this country and many of them are now hireing professors with online Ph.D's.

JAG December 31, 2007 at 4:54 p.m.

The last post by "Just A Guy" is not the real JAG! The real JAG whold never say that his opinion is fact. Thats just stupid!

This is the masked man! January 2, 2008 at 3:57 a.m.

This is the alter ego of those jokers on this board who believe they know all and anyone who attends an online for profit school is either worthless or subpar to other students. I will continue to mock in you oh so many ways until you leave the board, making you feel like half a man or woman.

Dr. B Part I January 5, 2008 at 10 p.m.

AACSB is not every thing. AACSB is for Research Focused Institutions and ACBSP is for Teaching Focused institutions.

If that was the case, no other successful business schools would exist... right? I agree that accreditation is important... but other bodies (ACBSP) as you implied are still serving that same purpose. AACSB and ACBSP are the only business accrediting bodies approved by CHEA... so of course it's important if you're going to sit for a state regulated exam.... but again... AACSB is not necessary and is not required. Do you get what I'm saying?

Your comment of AACSB accredited schools is not true because I personally know of faculty who have earned their degrees at non AACSB accredited institutions... even oversees... and have landed tenured positions at AACSB (which accredits international B-schools) accredited business schools. Do a little searching... you'll find plenty of proof.

I have never commented on undergraduate ed, but here goes. I believe that for traditional students, 100% on ground face to face learning is important. Not only are they learning theory, but also experiencing at least 4 years of necessary nurturing and socialization for their young tender minds. However for a 30-45 mid career adult, this is not necessary. In fact, most ADULTS who go for their undergraduate degree prefer night classes and/or online just to keep from being around a bunch of immature young people. The learning experience for a 30 year old freshman is not going to be the same as an 18 year old freshman because of the advantage of real world experience they have.

At the master's level... I have no qualms with completing the entire degree online. The master's degree is nothing but an extension of the advanced courses from the bachelor's degree... other than degrees such as MFA or something in humanties.... a fully online master's degree is quite valid....

Just Wondering... January 7, 2008 at 1:54 a.m.

An old saying, "95% of all statistics are made up on the spot."

AACSB is not a solution; it is part of the problem, continuing to help traditional programs cling to the concept that the old way is the only way.

I also want to address a statement, "It is very important, especially if you plan on entering the corporate community or field of academics." Wow, what a claim young man or woman. I work for one of the largest health insurance providers in the country and this couldn't be further from the truth. I also have friends in executive positions with Boeing and 3M and your claim is not true here either. Further, several AACSB schools actually have non-traditional Ph.D. holders in adjunct, tenure track, and tenure positions. Your claims are outlandish at best.

Mr.Degree January 9, 2008 at 11:25 p.m.

Case Dismissed!!

Just Wondering... January 16, 2008 at 2:43 p.m.

Oddly enough, this is simple research that someone like you could do and I am not wasting my time doing for you. Try a Google search of "Ph.D., Capella" and you will find them.

I do not mean to be short, but I will be honest, I am sick and tired of people piggy backing off others to do research. I have asked people to provide evidence that Walden, Capella, etc. are sub par and so are the products of those schools. I have even taken the time to look for this research. Surprise, surprise, it does not seem to exist, hence the reason no one provides it.

I am nearing an end defending this format because it is clear that the only way "online schools" will become overall accepted is when the old one track mind professors move on in life. The bottom line is clear, if you go to some schools you have to defend yourself, but if you go to Harvard and finish at the bottom of your class, it matters not because you graduated Harvard. It is as I said before, if the smartest Capella graduate went up against the stupidest Harvard graduate in an interview, the Harvard graduate would win every time, regardless of how well they have or would perform. I have nothing against Harvard, but I find it amusing how they swore off online offering just a few years ago, but now they are advertising online programs on CNN.com! Yes, right next to the UoP adds. Hmmm, what will happen next?

What is interesting is the continued citation of sources that indicate HR representatives dislike online schools. Of course, many of these were published at the beginning of the decade, which makes them obsolete for the purposes of this discussion board. Now that companies such as mine (Fortune 50 company), 3M, and Target Corp., Boeing, etc. are not only accepting, but funding these educations, it seems that it may be a bit disheartening to some of the “haters” that companies may actually be open to these schools. You would certainly agree, wouldn’t you “---,” AKA JAG (that is right, I am 99.9999999% certain you are one in the same, which is a real shame that you would resort to posting under other names, which makes me wonder if you are actually the one trying to discredit these boards with the frivolous garbage). Nonetheless, the few HR directors still stand that these schools are no good and so are the students, but then as one author put it (forget the name, sorry), Human Resources is a velvet ghetto with limited advancement opportunity, which doesn’t say much for Human Resources, does it.

continued...

Dr. B January 16, 2008 at 3:43 p.m.

Just Wondering.... you've made your point... and did a fine job doing it. It's a shame that out of all the objective support posted in this forum, people continue to emphasize the negativity..... including stooping to very immature levels to mock other's alias.

I got your email and will respond today!

Know that you're on the right track... just remember my advice to you!

Also... I recently got another publication acceptance in a peer reviewed journal.... I'm also preparing to present at 4 Tier 1 institutions.....hint hint...

Dr. B

Dr. B January 18, 2008 at 4:32 p.m.

Even though I am a graduate of both AACSB and ACBSP accredited schools, I must side with Just Wondering!

The Chronicle recently posted an article on how top graduates from top schools are NOT getting the better jobs after graduation. Many of them are not being employed at all...... gotta look at who's doing the hiring...:=)

So work experience coupled WITH a solid degree makes a difference. AACSB does not solidify a degree!

Dr. B January 18, 2008 at 8 p.m.

Haddon NJ on AACSB, I would like to rebute some of your statements.

1-"They may want to transfer to to another AACSB accredited School and AACSB accredited schools will not accept any graduate credits from non AACSB accredited Schools."

This is not true at all. Regionally accredited bachelors degrees will allow any student to pass the GMAT and get into an AACSB accredited institution. As for transferring from MBA program to MBA program, AACSB schools will only accept under 6 or less credit hours... THEY NEED THE MONEY. Plus AACSB accredited schools mostly focus on CORE courses.... not many of those "extra" business courses that won't typically transfer anywhere because they're a nuance of the institution.

2-"Most dual JD/MBA programs demand the MBA electives be AACSAB accredited."

Again, this is not true. Many good law schools are affiliated with non AACSB accredited MBA programs. Mississippi College, for instance, is ACBSP and ADA accredited.... their JD/MBA program is done at that school only. What's most important here, is ADA accreditation.. not AACSB.

3-"In some states to sit for the CPA and CIA examinations its more beneficial to have graduated from a AACSB accredited school."

Unlike APA, state exams do not require, suggest, nor imply that AACSB improves CPA/CIA examination passage rates or is required to sit for the exam. I have a BBA (AACSB) and an MBA (ACBSP) and I have sat for the CPA and have passed it. Please provide support for your claim.

4-"If you want to enter the field of academics and desire to teach at a AACSB accredited School you will more then likely need a PHD or MBA from an AACSB accredited school."

This is not true. Not all AACSB accredited schools require AACSB accredited doctorates to teach. In fact the AACSB is looking at ways to transition these types of degrees (nonAACSB affiliated) through special programs that will groom them to be AACSB faculty.... pushing their curricula..etc. This is their effort to address the huge faculty shortage facing AACSB institutions. Most schools look at publication and presentation history! That is what's most important. check aacsb.edu.

"AACSB is important for some people so its value shouldn't be overlooked when researching business schools and law schools. There are many benefits to going to a AACSB accredited Business school, of course only if these benefits matter to you as the student."

AACSB is never overlooked, in my opinion. However it is not the God of education. Even though it is a good thing to have, it is not necessary. I never heard of AACSB until I got to that particular school. They just kept telling us to put it on our resume... but in terms of educational experience and pedagogy, I learned much much more at the nonAACSB schools because they focus more on teaching excellence.

Nick January 19, 2008 at 1:49 a.m.

Everyone seems to be pretty up on online degrees.

I have a quick question.

should a junior accountant get an MBA or MSA or MS Tax? Do firms pay more or less based on which one you have earned?

Dr. B January 19, 2008 at 4:10 a.m.

Haddon... thank you for correcting my key-stroking error... ADA..ABA... you still got my point. If one of my students wanted to attend law school, I would advise them to attend the school that is the best fit for them whether it is ABA accredited or not. They have to make that decision.

Furthermore, if I lived in California and had to choose between an ABA trained lawyer and nonABA trained lawyer.... I would hire the lawyer with the best track record. ABA does not guarantee bar passage rates... especially when nonABA trained lawyers take the same exam. ABA and nonABA accredited schools share a common curriculum.

I understand what you're saying about AACSB but I still stand by my points. AACSB is not the future of business education. It is the dying history of business education and is trying hard to hold on to what it has..... it's a money thing and you know it. I have published a couple of articles on this and know what I'm talking about.

UoP (ACBSP) is not accredited by AACSB but has been a member of AACSB for many years because they share common goals. AACSB has way more members than accredited institutions under its belt. If AACSB was the future of business education, there would not be a need for other accrediting bodies that focus more on teaching. In fact, AACSB has realized the error of its ways and is trying to correct many of those things now because their traditional ways has caused a huge faculty shortage. Just read their posted reports.

As I have pointed out before... no one is overlooking AACSB accreditation. It has its purpose just as ACBSP does... and even IACBE (which is not recognized by CHEA). But for the demographic of student that schools like Capella admits (30+ y/o working adults).... AACSB is not of most importance..... not as much as finding a good program that fits their life.

Haddon NJ January 20, 2008 at 4:42 p.m.

"It is okay to talk about it; it is not okay to tell someone they are wasting their money, time, and life."

It certainly is ok to tell someone this, especially if your being paid to give someone a financial analysis of their current situation.

This is in regards to both AACSB and non AACSB MBA programs and masters programs alike. If you don't need the education then don't waste your time and money. One of the worst things a person can do is invest time and money in an education they just don't need, the money could be more usefull elsewhere, such as funding your kids future education. If different if someone is paying for your education, then fine by all means do it but if you don't need it and the college requires a handfull on money to support the completion of the degree then I will always tell a client to review their current financial situation and ask yourself these questions.

Will the degree increase your income?
Will it help you obtain a higher paying job?
Will it help furthure your career amongst your peers/competitors?
What kind of direction will the degree put you in for the future?

If the answer to all of these questions is no and the person just wants a degree to have a fancy diploma on their wall, I will most certainly stair them eye to eye and tell them they are wasting valuable time and money.

Believe it or not college education costs are one of the problems adding on to the current credit crunch of our economy because many graduates can't afford to pay their loans back.

Avoid useless debt, avoid putting yourself into debt for the sake of being proud of an academic accomplishment. Your family's future and your future could be at risk.

For example if I have a 29 year old client persuing an MBA. He is self employed and earns 75K a year. He has two children, a working spouse and a mortgage. The MBA is from say.........Capella and the annual total cost is 20,000 he is financing the entire degree through sallie mae because he is self employed and is paying his own way. The minimum payment on the loan will be $225 a month over 10 years. The client's industry is computer repair. In his field of work independent computer tech. contractors earn 100-150,000 annually and 1% have their MBA and the 1% that have the MBA earn 110,000 a year. Is it worth the investment for the MBA. I would say no it is not because more then 1% of his business peers earn a higher living without an MBA. Now if the client was going to tell me that he wanted to earn an accounting MBA to sit for the CPA exam so he can prepare his small business clients tax returns I would say its worth the investment.

An advanced degree is not required most of the time for someone to earn a higher living, plain old hardwork will pay off more then investing the time and money in a degree you don't need.

Just Wondering... January 21, 2008 at 1:26 a.m.

Just a Guy, Haddon, NJ, ---, or whatever it is you decide to go by tomorrow:

I strongly disagree with you that YOU have the right to tell anyone that they are wasting time, money, etc. You are not qualified to tell anyone anything. People are entitled to make decisions and I will say this, I am very confident that in an interview you would easily "spill the beans" with your overbearing opinionated style (which would make my decision hiring you easy, I WOULDN'T HIRE YOU). You refuse to open your mind to others and insist that the ONLY way is through a state based college or other "non-profit" school. Of course, if it is non-profit, that equates to the professors having your best interest in hand. Boy, if that statement is filled with fallacies, I don't know what is good sir.

Frankly, as I said, business care about your education being regionally accredited, not AACSB or otherwise. This is important if you are aiming to teach at a Tier I or II school and you know it!

Nick3 January 21, 2008 at 4:47 p.m.

I understand why Haddon is stressing AACSB standards, if Haddon NJ is a financial planner or CPA then many states require credits from AACSB schools to sit for the CPA exam some don't NJ may be one of those states I'm not certain for sure and could care less if I'm wrong. From my experience in accounting (Florida) it pays to go to an AACSB accredited school for one reason most of the major accounting firms recruite at larger and more well known AACSB schools. Thats not to say you can't reach your goal by attending Capella, you can do anything as long as you put yourself to the test.

I also agree about the MBA being not needed based on my particular financial values. MBA's are very costly if you don't need the degree then don't spend the money. If your a car salesman and want to be a sales manager or own your own lot an MBA isn't going to get you there, obviouslly selling more cars will. If you want to become the next prospective CEO of PNC Bank then an MBA will help get you closer to that goal.

haddon NJ January 21, 2008 at 7:50 p.m.

Of course, U.Phoenix is acceptable if they are accredited by ACBSP. In accounting all that really matters in the end is getting licensed, once you have your CPA your good with almost any accounting firm. The difference for accountants in NJ, PA and NY is if you attend a regionally accredited school without AACSB or ACBSP accreidation you are required to have 30 credits of undergraduate accounting instead of 24.

Some states will not accept a 100% online accounting courses, at least 50% of your accounting school work has to be in the class. Texas is the first state to place this legislation into effect. The other states that are expected to soon follow this are NJ, PA, FA, Mass, Conn and NY.

Pretty Disppointed by our societal skills.. January 22, 2008 at 5:08 a.m.

I'm disappointed mostly by the comments. It would seem that not only is there a negative stigma attached to "HOW" one could get an education, but also getting one at all! The comments about any Universities accpeting "evryone" are mentioned negatively. Which would seem to be a telling tale of society's disdain for "everyone else" attaining a higher education. One would think that "we" as a "highly educated" society would applaud and encourage everyone for trying and accomplishing! I'm 50+, and a business owner. What makes anyone think I can afford the time off to go to a brick-and-mortar school? Oh yeah... the brick-and-mortar alumni afraid of losing money, and having to make the changes to remain competitive. I don't expect any professor to be awake at 0200, but that is when I CAN study. I'd hire anyone that qualifies at or above mine and my client's expectations regardless of "how" they got the knowledge. The key is: "They got the knowledge, and can demonstrate it appropriately."

Just Wondering... January 22, 2008 at 2:42 p.m.

No references exist, I have searched long and hard to find them, including library databases. I have found, however, sources that indicate AACSB (not so much ACBSP) are part of the problem, perpetuating it by underscoring their importance in ensuring you are getting a quality business education. In reality, they are an accrediting body and nothing more. They deliver NO product or service to the student other than an "auditing board," or so they claim. They may audit, but how closely they audit schools that are already members is a secret we will never know (tea and crumpets anyone).

I know many past and former students reaching from schools like Capella all the way to Harvard to the University of Minnesota, to the University of Wisconsin, to Notre Dame. I will tell you this, not one of those respective people has put me down for going to Capella and they see no problem in it. In reality, the people against schools as Walden and Capella are dwindling and those against know that this is a fact and can be proven by studies indicating the number of companies and schools accepting candidates with degrees from these schools.

If states would start regulating how education can be delivered, it would seem that they are crossing the line between free enterprise and government. I question whether a state can truly do this, but then a CPA test is a state test, so I suppose it is possible, although shady if you ask me.

For Reference on Texas CPA Rules January 23, 2008 at 4:44 p.m.

go to Nasba.org, click exam, choose Texas or you can go to the Texas state board of accountancy at www.tsbpa.state.tx.us/eq1.htm.

Education

The applicant must meet specific education requirements before an application for the CPA examination can be filed. These requirements are as follows:
Earned a baccalaureate or graduate degree conferred by an accredited institution of higher education recognized by the Board; and
Successfully completed at least 150 semester hours of college credit; and
Successfully completed at least 30 semester hours of upper division accounting coursework, beyond the first two semesters of elementary accounting as defined by Board rule. At least 15 of these hours must result from physical attendance at classes meeting regularly on the campus of any transcript-institute institution.
The requirement that coursework must be classified as upper division becomes effective January 1, 2004.
Successfully completed at least 21 semester hours of upper division related business coursework as defined by Board rule.
The requirement that coursework must be classified as upper division becomes effective July 1, 2005.
Successfully completed a 3 semester hour ethics course in a traditional classroom setting that includes ethical reasoning, integrity, objectivity, independence and other core values as defined by Board rule. (Effective July 1, 2005) (Review the current list of Board approved ethics classes.)

Just a comment January 27, 2008 at 11:32 a.m.

I believe education should be the inspiration of any school, but as we all know, everything now and days is all about money. It does not matter where you get your degree, what matters is how well you learn and implement what you learned in your work place, or the environment you are. Some people do not have the same luck that many others have, example, having a full-time job and family to take care of gets most of your time. Assisting a B&M is almost impossible to achieve in this type of situations. In addition, I believe it is more expensive not to get educated then pay what Capella and other for-profit schools charge. I applause people that have the opportunity to assist and graduated from prestigious University, but I admired also people that do what ever it takes to complete their education.

God bless you all.

874378 January 28, 2008 at 12:35 a.m.

Just a Comment,

Perhaps you should learn proper English grammer as a first step in your "education".

Joanna from California January 29, 2008 at 12:14 a.m.

I was using Google for some info and found this "review" website. I am currently in a MS Psychology program at Capella and can assure anyone, that this is a real graduate program. I transferred from a graduate program at Indiana University so I know the difference between an online program and a traditional program. Since I've been at Capella, I've done more work then I've ever done. Anywhere. The professors have been great and have so much experience. I don't agree with statements like "Capella is a school for people who just want to get into an easy program." Capella is a better fit for me - it allows me to get an advanced degree while working, and take care of my family. I believe that online education is wonderful, and I know it will be a big part of the future. Individuals looking into online degree programs should be careful. There ARE diploma mill schools out there; however, Capella isn't one of them.

Gave up Indiana U for Capella January 29, 2008 at 10:03 a.m.

I highly "strongly" doubt that and if it is true you did no research into your available online options, which brings me to the point if you can't do research you don't belong in a quality masters program.

To Jennifer January 30, 2008 at 12:28 a.m.

Perdon medam but not every student is created equal up to your standards (SNOB). Go to Capella, you belong with the least most selective college in the nation next to University of Phoenix.

Also just wondering January 30, 2008 at 12:44 a.m.

I've been looking over your posts, nice research on the CPA exam, it looks like you did no research, go back to Capella and study harder. "JAG"

Keep Wondering Just Wondering January 30, 2008 at 7:18 p.m.

Got no problem with the Military providing an education, especially at the better online schools like UMUC and SUNY Empire State but Capella and UOP are crap and don't deserve federal aid. By the way if your not aiming to "be" (not by) then don't claim specific references don't exist when they actually do ya fraud

Online is great January 31, 2008 at 8:53 p.m.

Online education is a great way to learn if it fits your learning style. People seem to forget that not all online programs are the same, some require proctored exams and some even require campus visits. Everyone's educational needs are also very different from one another. For the guy who is self employed and wants an MBA to put on his business card, online is the way to go if you don't want to cut back on working. For the student that wants to teach at Rutgers, Penn or Princeton you'd better have a degree of equal quality to these institutions, now thats just common sense most college facualty are only going to offer positions to those who have earned degrees from universities of the same academic status. Ivy is equal to Ivy, small private is equal to small private. For the student that wants to get a top executive job I'd go with an MBA with connections to corporations, online or traditional.

Some people seem to forget that distance learning isn't anything new, its been around years, online is just another means of distance learning delivery. Many business programs and other programs are offered via correspondence, satelite location, partnership programs and some are even taught at learning centers. I knew people who earned MBA's from Indiana University without even stepping foot on the campus back in the 1980's, most of these programs were completed through correspondence.

Another thing when you get your degree, nobody will question whether your degree was online or not and it certainly will not state this on your transcript or diploma and if they do ask you you can "say you attended the university's program" the school will back you 100%.

Its just a shame that some colleges such as Cupella, Walden and U.Phoenix are labeled as online because they do so much advertising and marketing of their degrees. Most people will associate these degrees as being "online".

Blue Blood February 12, 2008 at 12:56 a.m.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFpKCXz7tr8

average joe February 27, 2008 at 10:10 p.m.

I have read down through everyone posts so far. I was wondering if anyone has considered how many people actually graduate from these institutions.

If a B&M makes its money on class size and carrying students through till graduation is that bad (possibly if the quality of the students leaving isn't good).

I have heard many people speak to the fact that online institutions accept anyone. I agree with the comments but I would like to use our military as an example. Many people enter the army but not all stay and make it to officer level . Even fewer today with all the deaths due to the war.

You can choose to judge a book by its cover but I have the same respect for anyone who commits to get a PhD from any accredited institution. Many people will enter but it does not mean many people leave with the degree.

I have graduated from Tier 1 college with an engineering degree. I have M.S. CIS. from University of Phoenix and I am working on finishing a Ph D. from Capella. I would say that anyone who can maintain a job, attend school online or at a B&M should be commended not put down. I am curious how many people who have written have completed a degree at B&M or online institution.

If you took one class you can't talk about an institution based on that one class. If you have a degree from the institution there will be one bad class and several more that were better. The fact that you completed the degree speaks more then whether the institution was accredited or worth the money you spent.

Last point what do you call the Harvard/Yale graduate who graduates last in there class but who gets his/her medical degree.

Answer : Doctor

If you have the degree it is what you do with it afterwards that makes the difference.

Online MBA's March 2, 2008 at 5:59 p.m.

should be avoided if you have the time to attend an on campus program in your region. There are many downsides to getting your MBA online, for starters you will not benefit from the networking resources provided by a college and most recruiters look for MBA's in their local region. If you must do an online MBA I personally recommend spending the least amount of money possible on the degree because you will not be able to benefit from the college's career and networking resources, that is unless your getting your MBA from a college in your region for example if you live in New York getting your MBA from Syracuse or SUNY would be suitable.

I recomend these online MBA programs for those who "want" an MBA and can't get to a local college.

University Of Nebraska 424 per credit

University of Massachusetts Amherst 600 per credit

University of Massachusetts Lowell 500 per credit

Florida State U 415 per credit

Texas A&M Commerce 525 per credit

Western New England College 575 per credit

Troy State 450 per credit

Clarion U of PA 455 per credit

Oklahoma State U $555 per credit

If your going for an online MBA I would try to spend the least amount or try to qualify for as many scholarships as you can.

Double Standard? March 4, 2008 at 9:30 p.m.

Can you say double standard? You're either for distance learning or you're not. I agree that accreditation is extremely important.... but the other stuff you claim is totally baseless.

Don't get an Online MBA March 6, 2008 at 3:02 a.m.

its not worth it, especially if you putting all your effort, money and time into it.The amount of time and money spent on an Online MBA program could be used for something much more beneficial in life. Got a friend that attended U.Phoenix online, her goal was to become an adjunct faculty member at a local state university, got her MBA and got laughed at when she went on job interviews at major universities. Now she is trying to earn her second MBA at a B&M school.

If your going to do it online at least attend a school with a respectable name.

Joe March 8, 2008 at 3:09 a.m.

I have heard nothing but negative things about UoP and Capella. They both have websites dedicated to them followed by sucks.com after it. The NYT put out a scathing article last year about UoP and it's shoddy MBA calling it an MBA Lite. I can't imagine why anyone would get an MBA from there. For them to think that their worthless piece of paper is going to compete with my AACSB MBA from The Citadel is rather humorous. I am considering going online for my doctorate; Capella's Ph.D in business looks like something that might interest me but it is way overpriced just like UoP.

Blue Blood March 11, 2008 at 11:30 p.m.

Who said I teach? I am an administrator in academic affairs.

Where do I work? I work for a traditional institution that teaches its students to not end their sentences with a preposition. :-)

I am not the only one. All you have to do is make the effort and do a google search. It's not a secret. And airing my private business in a public forum such as this; especially with no login profiles would be completely stupid.

Perhaps you're weak in the knees for another reason? Perhaps that is all your degree did for you? Come from under your boss's desk.

Blue Blood March 13, 2008 at 2:21 a.m.

Since you know so much about me, what did get me where I am?

Blue Blood March 13, 2008 at 3:57 a.m.

I'm an academic adviser at the University of Phoenix.

UoP Grad March 14, 2008 at 1:36 p.m.

If I am whoring for Apollo, I must be pretty good.

Blue Blood March 17, 2008 at 7:33 p.m.

I actually work for another for-profit institution called ITT.

tic tac March 19, 2008 at 8:01 a.m.

@donasusan

You just want the pay raise.. that's fine but Capella is not going to advance your pedagogy. It isn't what you put into it... its what they give you that you can take away that makes higher ed valuable.

donasusan March 21, 2008 at 3:41 p.m.

Actually, Tic Tac, it's about what you have(or not) upstairs to begin with. . . at the same I'm working on my degree a few of my co-workers are doing the same via the traditional route. I'm getting so much more out of my experience and it shows in the classroom every day. I've also written the curriculum that they(as well as other teachers) use. So I would have to say that I am not only putting a lot more into what I'm doing, but also taking a lot more away. Like it or not, online is the way of the future, even for high schools. High school courses will be revamped so that students will be able to get larger portions of their HS degrees online. If it makes you uncomfortable now, it will make you even more so in the future.

Dr. B. March 22, 2008 at 1:53 p.m.

I believe that UoP and Capella both offer a great education for working adults. I have analyzed curricula from both institutions and find where they are in line with, and many cases exceed..... those of traditional institutions.

The only issue I have with them both is that they are publicly traded institutions. Even though each institution has accountability devices in place, there is always a looming question regarding true academic quality.

To help ease this perception, both UoP and Capella have begun to publish their dissertations in the ProQuest database. The studies that I have read are of quality.

Dr. B. March 26, 2008 at 2:19 p.m.

I am an educator and have taught in education programs. Test scores are all about accountability. There is little correlation between test scores and a teacher's ability to teach. It's about knowing how to take a test. That's why you have many teachers in subject area tested programs to simply "teach the test"... Why do you think teachers in Texas get bonuses as high as $10,000 for high test achievement?

The teachers who graduate from programs such as Capella, Walden, and UoP attest that these programs better their research and practice as an educator. They focus on practice and how to reach the student. They also show them how to be innovative in and outside of the classroom.

Not every teacher teach in a state tested area. Many of them too teach at private schools.

Lets not be minimal in our thinking, Tic Tac.

Dr. B. March 26, 2008 at 5:10 p.m.

Tic Tac... your thinking is extremely flawed. No, these schools do not have NCATE, but UoP does have an education accreditation. NCATE is not required for education programs. It does not guarantee a job or one's ability to be an effective teacher. Why do you think they have alternate route programs for teachers? Because many NCATE and traditionally trained educators are not making it in the classroom.

Now let me educate you! NCATE accredits licensure programs ONLY. Capella does not have a licensure program. Walden recently launched the first online licensure program, but it is only for Minnesota licensure, where the university is located and FULL TIME Walden professors can do site visits..etc.. UoP's education Master of Arts in Education program with options in Elementary Teacher Education and Secondary Teacher Education are accredited accredited by the Teacher Education Accreditation Council (TEAC) for a period of five years, from December 20, 2007 to December 20, 2012.

Again, none of these are licensure programs.

Now, as an adult student working full time and earning a master's degree part time in education, I would rather learn from a professor who actually has successful classroom experience versus a stuffy ole professor who has never set foot in a classroom. Wouldn't a successful teacher adjuncting at night be a better factor? Wouldn't they be able to share their experiences? Doesn't that make sense? Lets be real.

You wrote... "What kind of instruction can you get from someone who spends 60 hours a week teaching and raising 4 kids... non-existant is most likely." This is obviously flawed thinking.

Dr. B. March 26, 2008 at 8:36 p.m.

Obviously you're an irrational person. You also lack reading comprehension skills.

I just read the article, which is dated from 2004, where Capella was trying to get state approval for a master's program in administration. The State had concerns and wanted Capella to require its students to take the AEPA and guarantee 75% passage. If you read further, Capella's passage rate exceeds that. Nowhere in these minutes does it read that Capella was denied state approval in Arizona because it lacked NCATE!

It's apparent that Capella's application for IR was not complete. The institution failed to prove where its administration program would work in Arizona and did not get approval in Minnesota. From the minutes there was a huge track of miscommunicating... but not once... not once did the state deny approval for NCATE. It also showed where UoP has state approval in Arizona, which also does not have NCATE. The ADE does not want a nationalized program... but one that is tailored to educators in Arizona!

On another note, your argument is extremely antiquated. Capella now has this authorization in both Minnesota and Arizona now through a collaborative effort, which was an option in the article you posted. Here is the link: www.capella.edu/schools_programs/educati...

Furthermore... you need not worry about where I earned my Ph.D. You don't pay me for it!

What you do need to worry about is your reading level and comprehension skills.

Dr. B. March 27, 2008 at 1:53 p.m.

This claim that you linked only requested conditional approval through 2005.... this is 2008? What support do you have now?

You're still talking AEPA, but the minutes mention where Capella's students' passing rates were above the 75% that the state was asking for. NCATE is an option... not a must.

I read the document and understood it very clearly. Your points are baseless!

Dr. B. March 27, 2008 at 4:53 p.m.

Regardless of what you say, NCATE was never an issue with the Capella case.

Dr. B. March 27, 2008 at 7:03 p.m.

The counsel's mentioning of that was totally anecdotal; it followed a list of other things that showed the institution's strength.

You're doing nothing but speculating.

pawn March 28, 2008 at 1:24 p.m.

I have been in a distance education program for six years. People can say what ever they want, but every weekend and sometimes during the week, I was spending multiple hours researching, reading, and writing. You get what you put in. The things I can do now and the critical thinking skills I have is from that weak, online, fake education. And the organization I work for had a chance to see my power to research after enforcing a flawed policy, distance education is not real education. It takes more dedication to read and learn on your own than to hide and get by in the herd.

CSU Student April 2, 2008 at 1:35 a.m.

Tic Tac,

You got kids. Oh my god do I feel bad for them having to live in your home and put up with you. Do you even know where they are or are you too busy making bogus postings on all of the college's websites.

Folks beware of Tic Tac she has a few screws missing and spends her waking hours on these blogs trying to discredit every university but hers. That is if she ever went to college.

Yeah Tic Tac I know who you are you gave it away in the other blogs.

Jack T. April 3, 2008 at 5:49 p.m.

Dr. B,

Why do you refuse to share the titles and publication dates of your published works?

JT

Nobody is questioning the Legitimacy of Distance E April 5, 2008 at 2:03 p.m.

The legitimacy of for profit schools such as Capella, Walden and UOP is what most are saying is crap of which I do agree.

And Yet... April 7, 2008 at 10:01 p.m.

... you are guilty of the same. Tards!

Crapella Student April 24, 2008 at 12:50 a.m.

Crapella b da best school on da internets. 2 all dem playa h8rs... we b gettin da groove on while u b wasting time with dat learn'n and writing stuff. I b offurd da best jobs sellin dese rocks. Without Crapella I wuldnt hav time to be gettin dese connects and gettin high as da burds.

Capella May 21, 2008 at 5:09 p.m.

Dah, me go to Capella and gots good more grammar.

Crapella Student May 29, 2008 at 6:02 a.m.

Wats u talkin bout dell top? I b done oudee here if it weren't for all da par-D-ing I do. Crapella gives me da chance to live a life-O-crime, be on da lamb, and gettin high as a mofo... all whily gettin dis here degri. U wish'ed you had my life so go to Crapella... it b da only skool 4 me!

Jeff June 13, 2008 at 11:12 p.m.

Dear "wow"

It is unfortunate that you were misled into thinking that Capella was the best option available for you. Currently there are hundreds of traditional State Supported schools that offer almost any degree that you could possibly want (often at a fraction of the price that you would pay at Cappela, Walden, UoP, NCU etc...)

It is obvious to me that you are an articulate, intelligent individual. I truely believe that while you can get a quality education at ANY school, why would someone want to attend a school that has so many graduates that fail to show that their education is of any real consequence. There are exceptions to the rule...Of course. You being obviosly one of them.

But why spend the money and time at a school like Capella, Walden, UoP, NCU, or the other clones when you could get your degree online at a school such as Kansas State, University of Texas, Penn State...Etc etc... Often for substantially less money (and commanding a far greater degree of respect)??? Going to Capella, Walden UoP Etc is simply illogical.

Crapella Student June 15, 2008 at 6:33 a.m.

I done had me a good'ol time at Crapella. Dis here school done gettin me a degree in Crimninal Juicetis. I can avoid dem police my knowing their MO. IT b gettin hard to move these meth labs round and gettin some nyquil to make da rock candies. I now makes me enough to buy u and yo babies mama ten times! Thanks Crapella fo makin dese dreams possible!

Mr. X July 10, 2008 at 8:18 p.m.

"Judge Dismisses Lawsuit Against Capella U.

A federal judge in Santa Ana, Calif., has thrown out a lawsuit against Capella University, which was being sued by a former student who accused the company of discrimination against people with disabilities.

The plaintiff, Jeffrey La Marca, argued that the online university violated the Americans With Disabilities Act by using technology that does not accommodate his learning disabilities, which he said included short-term memory loss.

The judge in U.S. District Court for the Central District of California, Southern Division, is expected to make known in coming weeks the reasoning behind the decision to throw out the case. Capella officials said the decision was based on a lack of evidence. —Dan Carnevale"

- Chronical of Higher Education

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Crapella Student August 7, 2008 at 3:53 a.m.

Crapella is da Ivy Leagues boss man! Dis here be da best school on da internets! I be graduated in 3 more classes yoyo! No more times 2 play, I be done-an-out using me skils to rancho up me some tail dog!

Answer NO August 13, 2008 at 2:15 p.m.

This isn't a speculation by any means. I don't care to share my credentials because I remain anonymous but if your asking for a professional opinion its no. First of all if you want to enter industry don't get your PHD, you'll never get paid what you're really worth. Companies would rather have a dozen MBA's then 2 to 3 PHDs.

Also you need to make a choice if want to enter academia then enter academia, get your PHD but remember where you get your PHD from will determine where you teach. Don't expect to teach at Rutgers, Penn State, SUNY or Florida State with a PHD from Capella. A PHD from Capella will only get you as far as a school like Capella. Schools are looking for reputation and those who can add to their reputation, not those who will mitigate their reputation.

If you want my honest opinion on the PHD you need to make it worth your time and effort with a reputable and respected program. Other PHD’s in your field may not give you the respect you really deserve with a PHD from Capella.

Example of my profile

Northeastern University BS
Bentley college MS
University of Connecticut MS
University of Massachusetts MBA

My likely choices for PHD’s in business would be Rutgers, Penn State, U.Penn, Temple, Drexel, Baruch and Villanova. (to teach at a school like Widener, Villanova, St. Joes and Philadelphia University)

One last thing, you should have to pay very little or pay nothing for your PHD. It should be paid for by scholarships and the school should pay you for the degree as a candidate to teach for the school. I would personally never pay for my own PHD, there is no intrinsic value by spending over 100K.

Lets see you August 14, 2008 at 9:26 p.m.

try to get a top paying job with a Capella PHD then. Lets see if you can compete with PHD's from the best schools in the nation. Big businesses will not payout big salaries unless they feel your are qualified.

Anyone who says a business doesn't care where you got you PHD degree from must have a PHD in selling cars for a living.

And yes people do get scholarships that pay for their PHD programs, my wife isn't laying out a dime for her's and she is actually being paid to get her PHD.

For all of my five degrees I spent a total of 17,000 as to where many of my counter parts paid close to near 75-100K in student loans........be smart don't be stupid when it comes to financing your education, make someone else pay for it.

where are Capella PHD's August 15, 2008 at 11:10 p.m.

teaching these days, let me guess Capella? Do they make commissions for every -A- grade they give out?

What a joke to actually consider getting your PHD from a for profit junk school

@ Answer NO August 16, 2008 at 11:32 p.m.

You don't have a doctorate or even perusing one, your opinion is unfounded, the lost of income while getting a PhD is a factor in the equation, and your wife is falling short in her obligations in your house and is not contributing to the society as a taxpayer, just maybe drawing money from taxpayers. Lack of experience or not experiences is the result of studying full time in a PhD and that would hurt any PhD or any doctorate students, if academia does not work out, not experience in the real world get you in entry level positions, because there is a real world outside the university walls.

The true August 17, 2008 at 5:06 a.m.

Will set you free, it takes a numb skull to know one!

Please August 18, 2008 at 12:45 a.m.

I know PhD's from Yale that can barely tie their own shoes, forget about discussing theory and concept. The school can only do so much to make a leader, the rest is about the person, their skills, their ambition, and their drive. Get a degree from a big name doesn't make a CEO - the person does.

The true August 18, 2008 at 5:36 p.m.

If that comment was directed towards the poster above's wife then maybe he was trying to explain that her scholarships and income sources are taxable. Not trying to speak for someone else but when you make comments declaring that "your wife is falling short in her obligations in your house" it really explains to this board that we are dealing with a very emotional and disgruntled poster. It also is a declaration against all women who are earning their PhD's "and not living up to their gender expectations". Shame on you.

Earned an MBA from Capella August 18, 2008 at 8:31 p.m.

I can add some incite to this discussion. Two years ago. The program was rigorous and I enjoyed it. I do have many regrets more like buyers remorse. The program was very costly and when I compared it to friends that work in the same field with MBA degrees they paid far less with for the same degree that is ranked higher because of the school they graduated from. They have also been able to land higher paying jobs then me with the same degree. Being that I'm self employed this matters to me in case I need to apply for a job when or if my business fails. They have also been able to network with their respected alumni networks better then I have been able to. If I could go back I would reconsider two options, the school I decide to attend and whether I do it entirely online or on a college campus.

Not to say that getting your degree from Capella is worthless but it just doesn't measure up to other schools.

LM 2008 August 18, 2008 at 10:46 p.m.

Any primate with something resembling an intact cerebral cortex would recognize that the only thing holding the higher education B&M edifice and supporting paradigms together is custom, self interest, and prejudice. This is not difficult. The economic realities pressing on this anachronistic, bloated and largely unnecessary drag on the public purse will overwhelm it, and hopefully sooner rather than later. Even now, with the immature technologies currently at hand, much of the cosmically inefficient system could be replaced.

WriteWay October 17, 2008 at 6:20 p.m.

Usually when people have to down something it means that there is a fear that what they are putting down has the ability to rise above the rest. I was accepted into a top notch phd B&M program. I moved my family and I started my program. Half way into the program my housing was threatened, my daughter was failing in school because of my loooong 4 night a week schedule, and my assistantship was not enough to sustain me and my family. I had to drop my classes to tend to my home life. Due to the fact that I had taken the leap of faith to move away from my family I ended up with no support through my transition. I decided to go to Walden for my Phd and it has been the most relaxing experience knowing now that I have time to spend with my kids, save gas, and work around my life responsibilites. This is what B&M universites are trying to build up to and soon the online universities that you all are laughing at will be ahead of the crowd.

Many fail to realize that in a world that is getting more and more complicated it will be the online universities that will be ahead in this tech-age that we live in. Most of the B&M universities are copying these online universities and hidding behind their B&M reputations. B&M degrees are still for those that have nothing else to do but go to school. Sure, many make it through, but there are time when you will hit a brick wall. In this day and time when nothing stops you have to have the guts to take alternate routes. Those who stick to the tried and true will be left behind.

Many of the B&M universities are hiring undergraduates to facilitate graduate online courses, because the "phd" falculty don't know how to navigate the information highway.

I have my masters and undergrad degrees from B&M universities and I must say that going online has given me an edge above others who are afraid to be independent enough to make it through without a lot of hand holding.

Now I can take advantage of the many Educational Tech jobs that pay so well, because I have taken a chance.

By the time I finish my online degree will mean three times more in 3 years than it does today. To those that are thinking about online degrees take note: Online degrees are the fastest growing way among adults to get ahead and will soon be very well respected. Get your degree the best way you can and those that appreciate your self motivation will be the ones that you will want to work for.

You are not your degree and you can surpass any negative forces through your job performance, writing, and other skills that you bring to the table.

GO FOR IT!!!

Researcher November 14, 2008 at 12:44 a.m.

I did some research today. I googled some CEO's of some Fortune 500 companies, and found that some them don't have MBA's from AACSB accredited colleges. Their degrees are from regionally accredited colleges and universities, though. I also googled several school districts to see what their bylaws said about required education when hiring. All said "a degree from any regionally accredited college or university". A friend of mine, with a Ph.D. from NCU, got a job as a college professor with a college in Texas. Could anyone explain to me why I am finding that people with strong track records with non-AACSB accredited degrees are getting great jobs and young folks with no real-world experience with AACSB accredited degrees are sitting in cubicles making 25K a year?

It's just a marketing scheme November 14, 2008 at 8:17 a.m.

Real schools don't advertise. Capella does because they are not a real school.

Researcher p<.001 November 16, 2008 at 3:36 a.m.

If real universities aren't hiring anyone (not true) then why would they hire anyone from Capella if there is such a glut of potential professors from elite schools (which no academic would consider Capella to be)? Capella likes to advertise how many colleges and universities employee their graduates but they never say how many were hired as janitors. Researcher needs to take a few courses in logic.

Researcher November 16, 2008 at 7:04 a.m.

By the way, Researcher p<.001, I personally know folks who have degrees from NCU, TUI, Capella, etc., who have great jobs in the private business sector as well as at some great colleges. I am not bias, just curious. Thanks.

Researcher November 16, 2008 at 7:30 p.m.

Thanks for the info, Researcher p<.001.

Researcher p<.001 November 16, 2008 at 8:31 p.m.

It boggles my mind that schools like Capella hire faculty from diploma mills.

Joe November 21, 2008 at 9:52 a.m.

@Researcher

Please show me where a Capella MBA is CEO of a Fortune 500.

When it comes to hiring teachers different states have different standards. There are several states that require an NCATE degree for liscensure. If you really did your research you would find that no school districts come out and say a regionally accredited degree, they require that you be certified whose requirements will be found on the state education website.

If you want to know why young people with AACSB degrees are making less than those with just an RA MBA you will find the answer in your statement. Experience counts for alot in the business world but AACSB will certainly give you a leg up. These young people have to start somewhere. In time they will overtake those experienced folks with just an RA degree. I have an AACSB MBA from The Citadel and it served me well as I moved to upper management. Some of my service buddies decided to take their GI Bill and go online for MBAs and they are now far behind me on the ladder of success. This is not to say I don't have regrets, I have sacrificed time with my kids that they have been able to have since they do not have my responsibilities. There is always a silver lining in everything God chooses for us in life, some people were made for management, others aren't. You just have to find your nitch. If you want to make it to upper management then online is not the best option. It can take you to middle management if you are happy with that.

Joe November 23, 2008 at 4:42 a.m.

I actually go to school online at one on the review list for HR certs.

Researcher November 23, 2008 at 5:30 p.m.

By the way, I was at a convention in Washington, D.C. this past July. I did meet a young woman who was in Capella's Ph.D. program in couseling (I forget the exact name of the degree, but it was a Ph.D. that had something to do with counseling). As a result, she was receiving a huge promotion in her school district. At the same convention, I met another woman who had her Ph.D. from either Florida State or the University of Florida (both big schools). She was doing something that none of us would be impressed with. You never know.

Researcher November 24, 2008 at 4:11 p.m.

Joe, you are right. Unfortunatley, these schools that you mentioned, i.e. UT, Arizona, Florida State, NC, GW, etc., did not make it known to the "world" for many years that they offered online education. It was like they were ashamed of it. I remember when I was interested in distance education about 10 years ago when I finished my undergrad at UNF, I would go to the library and research tons of books, and none of the aforementioned schools were listed. Now, they are all jumping up and down saying "We offer distance learning too". I still believe that a person can take the resources they have in life and make it. The military is a microcosm of America. Too many times, I've seen young Naval officers show up at their first command thinking that just because they went to the Naval Academy, they were going to get a free pass to the top (becoming a Commander or even an Admiral). I've seen too many times where these young men and women fizzle out and some young officer who went to some small college in the midwest or some HBCU (historically black college/university) or something of that ilk outshine that Naval Academy kid. If the piece of paper gets you in the door (regardless of where it's from), it's up to you to excel. Again, this is America and everyone's situation is different. Regardless of where you went to school (as long as it is accredited), all it takes is someone with influence to take in interest in you and take you under their wing. I've seen it hundreds of times in my 21+ years of work experience. Thanks for the intellectual exchange. Take care.

Joe November 25, 2008 at 12:26 a.m.

I was not able to find the article. Georgia Tech offers only engineering related MS degrees for DE and if you do not have an ABET undergrad you are given what is called an un-designated degree. The difference is the designated MS meets all the qualifications for an engineering competency while an un-designate is just a general MS. The end result is you get less letters on your title and less employability in the engineering field. I can't comment for sure on the person's complaints of discrimination but if they are applying for a design team with an un-designate degree they aren't going to have much luck against ABET qualified people. If the person had a designated degree that would put them well in the running whether online or not. As an employer of engineers I would be happy to give a call back to an onine GT MSEE... if they were an undesignate MS I wouldn't really pay it much attention unless they are a PE. Engineering is probably the pickiest of all fields when it comes to online education considering there is no such thing as an ABET accredited online program as of yet. It is really something that is best left for well equipped labs. The contention that elitism is apparent in general is overstated.

I would also question how this person would know he was being discriminated against when all I would give them is a thank you letter. I have never had anyone call me as to why I rejected them. Truth be told I wouldn't tell them it is because they have an online degree... I would tell them there are more qualified candidates which would be the truth.

Um wow.. November 25, 2008 at 10:07 p.m.

Ok, I am moving overseas with my husband, and would like to get my master's degree in either Marriage and Family Therapy or School Counseling... what would people here recommend? I was researching Capella.. but found this.. and don't like UoP..I don't even think they have a program that I'm intrested in. What is good for someone who isn't in the states?

Joe November 25, 2008 at 11:33 p.m.

I love to complain about all these online schools even though I didn't go to any of them. I complain and complain about Walden and then about Capella and then who knows....

Steve November 26, 2008 at 1:05 a.m.

I am about to graduate from Capella with a Ph.D. in organization and management. I work at a large state university. When I was looking for a tenure track position, I was offered 9 different positions at different universities. Don't let these idiots on this blog tell you Capella is not worth it. I have five college degrees from different schools. I have to bust my tail in every class at Capella. The other schools were a piece of cake. I would say I am a success story. I have a tenure track position at 27,000 student school. I am a member of the editorial review board for a journal. I have published numerous articles.

This is funny November 26, 2008 at 10:01 a.m.

I can't believe all of the name callers who claim they went to Capella. Is that what they learned how to do? PhDs telling others to kiss their a--? That's very professional.

Nice November 26, 2008 at 6:11 p.m.

So tell these haters which schools your Capella PhD is getting offers for tenure track.

Take that h8rs November 26, 2008 at 7:24 p.m.

Look at that list people. Capella is changing lives! The man has a gradaute degree from NC State in a top IT management program and it was a piece of cake compared to Capella. Capella is one of the top schools anywhere and you would do well to go there. You can teach in an AACSB school!!

Steve November 27, 2008 at 1:59 a.m.

Capella is hard. I have never been challenged as much as I have been at Capella. I have been teaching for over 10 years at colleges and universities. Some of the best instructors I have met at conferences and boards I have served on were graduates from Capella. In fact, I know of two other professors at my university that are Capella graduates. They are well respected by many of their coworkers. I also know a Capella graduate who holds a major position in a state community college system. All of the business and technology programs at all of the community colleges report to him. I also know a Capella graduate who is a CEO in a North Carolina based company. I am proud of my degree and the academic rigor Capella demands. I have adopted a lot of their techniques in my courses and have received very positive feedback from students and the administration on my effectiveness. Online degree programs are being offered by nearly every college and university. I have taught at six different colleges that offer online programs. I can tell you for sure that Capella's system is by far more structured then most. Their classroom is monitored and requires weekly discussions that must begin within the first week or you won’t get financial aid. The classroom is always available. In the past four years, I can't remember a time that is was down other than the scheduled maintenance periods between semesters.

True PhD you will never be November 28, 2008 at 4:55 a.m.

A bunch of fake PhDs is what we have from Capella. The only schools left for them to teach are the fake businesses that call themselves institutions of higher learning.

$5000? November 29, 2008 at 9:10 p.m.

Did that buy a pencil from Capella's online bookstore?

Typical... November 30, 2008 at 4:16 a.m.

Typical dodge and run. Have fun in your fantasy world where an ABD Capella student is getting a dozen tenure track offers, earning a PhD in the trench, and finishes 4 traditional Higher Ed degrees in at least three different locations in under 10 years, and thinks Capella is harder than a top ranked NC State Graduate program.

The funniest part about your last post is you don't even know how to spell 'fagot', it is faggot. You spell loser as "looser'. You resort to ad hominem attacks and can't even answer a simple verification question. There is no question, you are not who you say you are.

Actually December 1, 2008 at 6:04 p.m.

A Ph.D. from Capella coupled with an extensive research record and professional experience would qualify an individual to teach at an AACSB accredited business school. In fact, I know of a few and they are clinicial and associate professors.

Joe December 2, 2008 at 11:24 a.m.

Whoa... it looks like somebody got called out. The answer to the F-16 question is ABC shops, A is Avionics, B is Flight Control, and C is Comms and Nav. We deal alot with them for F-16 weapons integration. I think it is a little old school to call it that these days but if the guy was USAF over 12 years ago he should know it.

I too would like to see a faculty list with a Capella PhD in a tenure position at an AASCB school. Mind you I would be looking to see if they have another doctorate before Capella.

Facts December 9, 2008 at 3:47 p.m.

Right, keep quoting, your Capella education should be good for something since you yourself have no original ideas.

PROOF!!!!!! December 15, 2008 at 8:45 p.m.

I'm a student trying to become a CPA, earn an MBA and an MS in Taxation all online......but from AACSB accredited colleges. One of my goals is to become a faculty member of an AACSB or Non AACSB accredited University to teach financial planning, of course I would never expect to become anything more then a part time adjunct which is perfectly fine with me. Having a lot of contacts in the field I know for a fact that most AACSB accredited colleges only have tenured professors from other AACSB programs, probably in the 95 percentile. 5% that are PHD holders from non AACSB accredited universities that teach in business school more then likely hold a PHD in a non business profession like say statistics or communications.

I guess I'll gust get to the point instead of rambling on and on.

Get your degree(s) from an AACSB accredited university it will pay off in the long run. Anyone who is leaning towards an online regionally accredited programs like the for profits Capella, Walden, University of Phoenix or even some non profits like Troy University, FIT or Ellis College are simply doing so for one single reason............. the admissions process is not selective.

Capella compared to AACSB schools? December 15, 2008 at 10:48 p.m.

This post isn’t meant to knock down non AACSB accredited programs.

Not trying to jab a cheap shot at Capella University but to even consider Capella in the same category as even the smallest of AACSB accredited business programs is foolish. As few as 25% of all business schools in the nation are accredited by AACSB because those businesses schools have met the requirements to achieve initial business accreditation and some schools that have been around for a long time with highly matured accounting schools have their accounting schools follow a separate distinct AACSB accreditation. Maintaining AACSB accreditation is not an easy task for most universities which is why most will prefer to only appoint PHD’s from other AACSB programs. AACSB is becoming extremely important in the business community especially with many of the degree’s now being offered online.

AACSB is important for many reasons and every business school candidate should closely analyze what they want to get out of their education because AACSB may not be very important. I know many MBA graduates that chose to go to non AACSB schools both with and without personal regrets. For example Philadelphia University is a regionally accredited University but offers a very unique MBA that has a concentration in taxation and Philadelphia University is a very highly respected school in the Middle Atlantic Region. We also have a regionally accredited school called Pierce that offers and online MBA that has a very poor reputation. Again it all depends on what you want personally. If you want Capella go for it but please don’t sit back and compare Capella’s for profit business school to all the other not for profit regionally and AACSB accredited business schools.

I know for a fact that many if not most well established regionally accredited universities are activley seeking AACSB or ACBSP accredidation.

Agree with above poster December 16, 2008 at 9:54 p.m.

There are some degrees you can learn online but a PHD just isn't one of them. PHD's are degrees that are heavily focused on research and most PHD candidates are very actively involved with their universities. An online PHD just isn't worth the time or money except if you want to become a faculty member of an online college, if that suites your desires. Very good and reputable PHD programs should have the following. I will also say that anyone who is "serious" about earning a PHD will be paid a stipend as an adjunct faculty member and the degree should be paid for by the university they are attending. Any of the for profit schools offering a PHD program should never be considered. If you want an advanced degree, fine get at a masters but please don't waste your precious time buying an online PHD. Most in the Academic field will not take you seriously upon earning the degree, publishers and editors will not take you seriously and any major university you're applying to for a job will likely laugh at the resume.

My wife's business associate earned her PHD in chemistry a year ago and the amount of research involved was incredible, you simply can't get this or accomplish this with an online degree. However,

Earning a masters degree such as a masters degree or an MBA online isn't such a bad thing depending on what you want to get out the degree. For the person perusing a career change, only a "full time" B & M MBA program will benefit you. If you simply just want to be an MBA or master of something like Finance then an online degree from an accredited university is right up your alley. Remember a degree doesn't make you successful it only opens doors, for a very short period of time.

Capella Student December 17, 2008 at 3:10 a.m.

I'm a Capella student and I like the program because it gives me what I need and want. A degree I can afford and finish.

I was declined by many AACSB and ACBSP accredited MBA's so I did what I thought was best and looked for a school that didn't require the GRE, Capella was the best choice.

I'm not trying to pump Capella and compare it to Penn State because the Capella program isn't comparable to the top ranked programs but it gives me what I want and need.

For the Capella students who are unrealistic and think Capella is a top notch school need to realize that its just the opposite. Capella is a basic adult learers college and nothing more. Last week my daughter asked me if she could visit Capella I said sure, just log on.

Capella December 18, 2008 at 8:11 p.m.

Capella is hard work and you have to be dedicated to make it online at a school thats online and understand what you are doing and think hard. its a lot easier in a classroom where a teacher explains everything to you and hand feeds it. Try learning Calculus or Physcis on your own and earning an engineering degree. Not as easy as you think!

Facts December 19, 2008 at 6:09 p.m.

Nice.

Confused December 23, 2008 at 5:07 p.m.

I have been admitted into Capella's Mental Health Counseling program. I received my undergrad from the University of Memphis, which is a Comm degree that I regret getting. None the less, Capella caught my attention because this particular program is CACREP accredited. I have a 2 yr old son with a full time job working for the state of TN Dept. of Human Services and traditional learning is not an option for me. The accreditation was the selling point for me with Capella, but reading all this is making me second guess my decision. I am scheduled to start next quarter but I havent registered for any classes yet. And to be quite honest, I applied for the Counseling program at U of M but the schedule wouldnt have worked for my lifestyle and I would have been going part tine for a zillion years. Plus, quite frankly my GRE scores sucked the first time around.I ultimately want to persue a PhD at Vanderbilt in Community Research and Action but I'm wondering if the Capella stigma is going to nullify my chances of admittance in the future. I'd love some constructive input....help please :(

Confused..a bit less December 23, 2008 at 10:29 p.m.

Thanks alot Answers, I'm just going to bite the bullet and contact Vanderbilt. When my son gets a little older I a traditional PhD track wouldnt be out of the question for me. I was actually thinking about going back to U of M and getting another BS in psychology, getting some research experience under my belt, retaking the GRE and THEN applying for the PH.D since a MS isnt neccessary one way or the other. Once I looked at the mean salary a LPC makes I used a bit of common sense and asked myself, " Why would I spend $40K for an online MS and only gross $45K a year when I'm done?" It just didnt seem logical when I did the math...the only issue is attending U of M full time next year to get that other BS and working. Quite honestly I have no idea what I'm doing with the rest of my life. I feel like an under acheiver. Thanks for the comment, I really appreciate it.

Seton Hall has it all December 25, 2008 at 8:11 a.m.

Check out Seton Hall World Wide... they have what you need in the areas of counseling. It is the best online program in the nation for that specific area.

Instigator December 26, 2008 at 10:51 a.m.

I have a friend that really impresses me. He came from nothing. He grew up in a single-parent household in a terrible part of the country. Long story short, he got his MBA from TUI University (back when it was called Touro Univeristy International). He's a few classes shy of his Ph.D. in education with the same school. He's happily married, his daughter attends an elite private school, he lives in a beautiful 4,000 sq ft home in a prestigious part of town. He has two new Benz's in his garage, and he earns well over six figures. He's a millionaire. And you know what, he credits his education from TUI U and his drive with his success. He's an example of to me that all this talk about where you go to school is just that, "talk". So, Capella students, live your dreams, and don't let anyone out there discourage you. You can't put someone's heart on a piece of paper. My friend is so admired and envied by many. Did I mention his TUI MBA help catapult him to the rank of a Navy Commander when he was in the Navy? A well-accomplshed man with a TUI University (Capella equivalent) degree. Who would have thought?

Instigator December 27, 2008 at 10:21 a.m.

Check Your Lies, no one said he became a millionaire in the Navy. It was just a step in the right direction in his life. Sorry for the mis-understanding. Hurts for you to have a B and M degree and have to defend it in this chat room, doesn't it?

More So December 29, 2008 at 3:22 p.m.

And on top of that, why would he send his daughters to an Ivy IF Capella was so good to him? Why not send them to Capella too!

Confused...not so much December 30, 2008 at 6:47 p.m.

Thanks alot Capella will hurt...I'm researching those programs now. I need to find an alternate plan of action before my head explodes

Matt January 6, 2009 at 7:09 p.m.

I work for a Fortune 50 company and we have a great tuition plan. It turns out that Capella, UOP and Walden and a few others are on our "preferred" school alliance list. This means that the schools have an agreement with the company to either waive the application fee, fast track employee credentials for review and/or give tuition discounts. I have 8 years of direct supervisory experience in my area however I missed out on a job opening and promotion at my site because they picked a guy (I know him) who got a MBA online from Capella but has no supervisory experience.

One of our tech consultants said he has to get a PhD in "something, anything" if he wants to move up to program manager with his tech consulting company. Turns out that plenty of the top people in his company have doctorates in "Organizational Principles" and other oddball things. Only 2 or 3 have PhDs in actual technical fields.

Chronicle News Alert January 15, 2009 at 10:46 p.m.

This is too funny.

January 15, 2009
Capella U. Settles Lawsuit Against Former Student
Capella University announced today that it has settled a countersuit against a former student who sued the online university in June 2005, alleging an antidisability bias.

The countersuit, which was filed in 2005, claims that the the student, Jeff La Marca, defamed the university and interfered with its business relationships. Mr. La Marca posted online comments and images critical of the university and its lawyers during the course of the original litigation, the university said.

Mr. La Marca — whose original suit claimed that Capella had violated the Americans with Disabilities Act by using technology that did not accommodate his learning disabilities — has issued an apology and will hand over his Web sites to Capella for removal, the university said.

Mr. La Marca’s original suit was thrown out in November by a federal judge, who ruled that the student was not considered disabled under the Americans With Disabilities Act and that the institution had provided reasonable accommodation. As part of the settlement, Mr. La Marca has also withdrawn his appeal of that decision, the university said. —David Shieh

Link to apology: www.capella.edu/vc/inc/pdf/la_marcas_apo...

Half the people on here February 22, 2009 at 4:34 a.m.

Are Jeff La Marca, book it.

Jack is Back March 14, 2009 at 8:24 p.m.

I Teach,

How many of these DII and DIII offer PhD programs with a 100% accepance rate??? How many DII and DIII schools even offer a PhD?

Here is your answer...

NONE and Very Few.

100% acceptance at the undergrad level is indeed a common practice among some colleges. Some will even accept you without a HS diploma or a GED as long as you are an adult over the age of 25. However, I defy you to show me a reputable school that has 100% acceptance at the PhD Level other than the for-profits.

Just out of curiousity, What State University do you teach at?

Jack

I teach at a State University March 29, 2009 at 10:56 p.m.

I will not give a specific school because this board contains too many morons. I will tell you that it is a school in the Midwest and it is a DIII school. I will also tell you that regardless of what people think, my benefits are better than nearly every person in the country (I pay NOTHING for health, dental, and life, and the school pays the employer and employee portions of the retirement - and to top that, I pay NOTHING for any medical, including deductibles). Folks can say what they want, but I am set for life.

As far as the school goes, it does a good job (and we don't grant PhD's). Many schools that have a 100% acceptance rate now have many placements with employers across the world and with colleges across the nation. The reality is that times are changing, whether you like it or not.

I teach at a State University April 6, 2009 at 5:51 p.m.

Arguing with people virtually is such a waste of time. No IP and no name needed, so the banter is easy to spew. Of course, much of it is verbal diarrhea from the likes of "Oh Really" and the multiple personalities.

I should give the name of my employer so I can have Internet stalkers. More importantly, I should have my employers name associated with the supposed "educated" on this board. I openly admit that where my degree is from, but when others do they all seem to be from Harvard, MIT, Yale, University of Chicago, They Ohio State University, etc. It is amazing how so many of "The Elite" have time for name-calling and petty arguments on a free web board. I think the pettiness of the agreements on this board speaks volumes for the supposed "Elite".

The reality is, most of the bashing on this board is from one or two individuals using many, many names. If you come to a board like this looking for help, you came to the wrong place. Find alumni and do research. Interview, ask questions, but don't take the word of the supposed "Elite" that all seem to come from the nation’s top 25 schools. Do you really believe they post here? Remember, someone has to finish at the bottom of the class and the chances are that if those schools are represented on this board, the alumni you are talking to are from the bottom of their class.

I teach at a State University April 7, 2009 at 6:52 p.m.

Fair enough Jack, but the tide is changing, like it or not. More and more schools are considering alternative delivery formats and has schools become more of a business (and with the current economic state, you will see more of the "top" schools opening the doors to a much larger population), acceptance rates will go up.

What a pitty for the poor professor that actually has to weed out the slackers on their own. Up to this point, professors have been handed much of the paycheck and benefits they recieve on a silver platter. I am happy to say that this is changing, as it should!

Social Criminologist May 31, 2009 at 1:47 p.m.

I have to clarify something that was stated many posts ago but is too egregious to ignore. Troy University is not a "for-profit" school nor is it an online school. Troy is a state school (part of the Alabama College System) and is more than 100 years old. There are satellite campuses throughout the county and Asia. In addition, it does offer some online degrees, similar to many other traditional schools. Further, Troy is consistently listed in the Princeton Review as a best buy based on the school's quality curriculum and faculty. Our alumnus work for NASA, have high-ranking military careers and are successful in the business world. One our most visible alums is Demarcus Ware, defensive end for the Dallas Cowboy.

The fact that Troy University was so blatantly misrepresented on this site, I have to believe the person who posted the information did not do the research. Therefore, if you are not already, you should be critical of the few who are spewing such vile about schools they apparently know nothing about.

I am a proud Trojan, M.S.,'03.

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Seeking information August 4, 2009 at 9:11 p.m.

When I started reading on this site it was with hopes to pursue an online MA degree in clinical psych, for no other reason than because I work as a HS teacher full time, I am a mother of small children and live an hour or more from any potential program. Reading the blogs has been disheartening at best, it is not that I believe the crap that online education is sub par, or care that it is for profit, they all are for one reason or another. The issue for me is, should I complete the program, I would run into the prejudice and ignorance of people in the field and that that would hinder my job placement. That emotion being expressed I have two questions:

1. Are there Universities that have even a partial online MA Clinical Psych program?
2. Can I work with the credits of say Capella/Walden or another I researched Argosy (that also was bashed on this site on another page and it is apa approved for its doctorate program-go figure) and then transfer to another program in a B/M school for completion?

Please only serious and helpful answers, my time is valuable. He he (or hee haw), attention fools or any aliases of the same need not respond, I've had my fill of high school brand blogs...

PS. I tried to read the entire thread, but I have to admit I got lost somewhere in the middle, so forgive me if this has been answered already..

Hiring Manager August 19, 2009 at 3:52 p.m.

I will not hire anyone with an online degree. A solid program at a real university will simulate problem solving skills in a group which is necessary for our company. An online degree may claim to do such a thing but it is still a singular experience with limited communication with others.

peanut September 1, 2009 at 1:57 p.m.

Satisfied PhD student, it is good to know you are 'completed satisfied' with your doctorate level education.

My experience was not as great. Yes, the papers where many pages long, but divided up with team mates so not any one of us did a full 20+ pages. Often teams would get into fights or scheduling conflicts which completely defeated the purposes of my joining in the first place. Maybe I just had bad luck, but after 1 year and $13,000 more debt I decided I would be better to save that money every year and get some technical certifications.

My sister is in PhD fellowship program at traditional university. It was after careful review of her experience and many others that, for the money, I began to feel short changed.

To all, please consider carefully where you wish to spend that kind of money! Give Capella a chance but know you will have to fight more to defend yourself in academia and corporate America.

That is a fact.

peanut November 17, 2009 at 1:59 p.m.

I tried Capella for its 'flexibility' and was not happy to find myself roped into teams which insisted on restrictive hours for web meetings. This defeated the purpose I selected online school. I withdrew after 1.5 years and now I'm 10K deeper in debt. I would have been better off had I chosen night school at the local community college.